Teen talk: Mal loves Mango and thinks many others will too - Windows Phone 7 General

By Matthew Miller | August 10, 2011, 6:45am PDT
Summary: Microsoft is working on Windows Phone Mango and I have been lucky enough to get the chance to play with a device running this latest software. I gave the Samsung Focus to Mal to see what a teen’s perspective on this new OS would be.
My hands-on with the Windows Phone Mango preview went live in June and since then I have had many readers ask if one of my teen daughters could check out Mango and write up some thoughts. Mal has been using my older Windows Mobile devices for a couple years and after spending about 10 days with a Samsung Focus loaded up with an early preview of Mango she can’t wait to get her own Mango phone and finds this to be the most exciting device she has checked out yet.
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/cell-phon...s-mango-and-thinks-many-others-will-too/6315?
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Yea, it was a decent run-dwon, but I see he had the same issue we discussed in another thread on this forum:
There was no notification, or indicator lights. You must turn the display on to the lock screen to see if you have any notifications and to make sure it’s charging which I found to be a bit of a pain. I had to frequently check my phone to see if I had a text, email, etc, and would like to have a better system.
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Microsoft really needs to use the LED Notification light (on phones that have them, I know the HD7 has one) intelligently. They also need a Notification Cache for non-Social [Push] Notifications.
The current system makes you feel like you have to pay way too much attention to your phone when other OSes simply do not have that burden.
People need to really push for this to be rectified.
It's odd he didn't comment on the browser, though. That was a huge update in Mango and he almost spoke as if he never used it... Unless I missed something (though I think I read thoroughly all the relevant parts).
However, on HTC phones you get a beep when the phone is charging and the LED Indicator light is green when the the phone is fully charged.

I corner LED on all units will be such a convenient feature. Have a look at some of the older Nokia devices. Different shades for all sorts of notices, miss call, email, message, etc.
If they truly want this to be a "glance and go" phone, then this is a no brainer feature.

After the latest mango update (at least i never notived it before) my HD7s LED flashes green if there is a missed call

HD7 already did it even on NoDo

TheRaggyGandalf said:
After the latest mango update (at least i never notived it before) my HD7s LED flashes green if there is a missed call
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Mine also...

....my Mozart flashes green for missed calls. Would be nice to have an orange light flashing for new messages.... Also it should possible to set the time the LED keeps flashing. The missed call LED stopps
after 5 minutes....

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Changing alerts modes

Hi guys,
I have a Touch HD (running Dutty 2.9 right now) and there one thing that I just don't understand about this model as well as all the other smartphones out there. The Touch HD has some of the most advanced hardware specifications in the industry, the Windows Mobile OS can practically run any kind of software we can think of, and yet the notifications for basic things like missed call and new SMS message are from the stone age. I swear my old Sony K750 had much better ways of notifying me I had missed stuff on the phone.
I want to be able to select on my Touch HD what kind of alerts to receive when I get a missed call. I want to set the phone to ring an alert every X minutes, vibrate every Y minutes, flash the LED light and so on until I see what call I missed. If a get a new SMS while I'm not in the room, I'd like my phone to play the "New text message" every M minutes until I read it, as well as vibrate from time to time.
These are just examples. I just want a better notification method, one as advaced and customisable as the phone itself and its OS. Obviously MS isn't doing anything about it (and it's for small reasons such as this one that they've lost so many customers to iPhones or other devices), so does anyone know a good software that does what I require?
PS: after flashing Dutty 2.9, the screen turns on whenever I receive a new SMS. This is driving me crazy, since it's pressing stuff inside the pouch. I'm sure I've seen the option to disable this somewhere, but where? I can't find it anymore...

Stop Text Messages Appearing on Lock Screen

Is it possible to stop text messages flashing up at the top of the screen as I would rather not have personal texts read by colleagues etc when I am away from my desk at work. I see nothing in settings to allow you to stop this..
Doubt it. Why not take the phone with you when you leave your desk?
Why don't just take the phone with you?
Also I don't think your txt would show up on the lock screen, just a number for missed calls and unread txt. If it did indeed show up then I'm sure you can disabled it in the settings.
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Just tested it on my Samsung Omnia 7 and it flashes up the first line of the text message at the top of the screen even when the screen is locked. I think this is a basic privacy issue and there should be an option to not display it as there was in windows 6.5
I often walk to a colleagues desk for a couple of minutes why should I have to take my phone everywhere?? I also demonstrate things to colleagues at my desk and I dont want personal texts being viewed by other people. I dont think this is unreasonable and should be fixed quickly as I know it would put many people off.
Is there a forum where these issues can be flagged to microsoft to fix in a future release.
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Just tested it on my Samsung Omnia 7 and it flashes up the first line of the text message at the top of the screen even when the screen is locked. I think this is a basic privacy issue and there should be an option to not display it as there was in windows 6.5
I often walk to a colleagues desk for a couple of minutes why should I have to take my phone everywhere?? I also demonstrate things to colleagues at my desk and I dont want personal texts being viewed by other people. I dont think this is unreasonable and should be fixed quickly as I know it would put many people off.
Is there a forum where these issues can be flagged to microsoft to fix in a future release.
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I agree. This is not an unreasonable request. Hopefully support will be added for it.

WP7 Bugginess?

Been playing with my HD7 (TMo USA) for two days now. Main problem's been that it's highly buggy.
I left it overnight to charge, and when I turned it on in the morning, everything was disconnected (no updates from Internet) as the Wifi connection was off. Went to the settings app, and only the first three options (ringtones & sounds, theme, and airplane mode) were even present. The entire rest of the menu panel was not even visible for some reason, so I couldn't enable Wifi.
I then restarted-- it connected to Wifi, slowly loaded one webpage, then when I returned five minutes later, it was in a weird state. Wifi could not be turned on (attempting to turn it on in settings had no effect). Opening IE would load a grayed-out version of the tab selector then crash back to the home screen with any click. Pretty much all apps would load an initial page but then crash whenever any input was submitted (e.g. email address/password for setting up accounts).
Pretty poor so far-- the UI is smooth and hasn't locked up per se (as Windows Mobile always inevitably does), but the inconsistency and random crashes make this feel like alpha software.
Actually it kind of feels like what'd result if you were to put a GPU-accelerated GUI on top of WM 6.x and then forced it to either act in a few seconds or abandon the task. Sometimes things work, sometimes they don't, and the GUI just glosses over as if nothing's wrong.
Anyone else having similar issues?
Hmm...the OS has crashed (causing a reboot) three times today so far-- once when downloading email (in inbox screen), once when loading a particular message, and again when trying to open the Marketplace (froze with one highlighted app, Need for Speed, shown, then 10-15 seconds later, phone restarted).
Wifi's also only intermittently connecting with a strong signal in the area (toggling it on/off doesn't seem to fix it).
There is the possible chance of just having a faulty device, (or simply a faulty MicroSD card which is used for memory. Have you tried a Hard Reset on the device and seeing if the problems resurface? Most people who have used WP7 for the most part so far have not mentioned issues like yours on the vast scale you have.
I've had mine for a couple days now also and it has been perfection as far as operation goes. I did have a bug in IE when I tried to respond to an XDS PM. I tried to delete the accumulated text and it funked up. Couldn't back out to a previous window so had to reboot WP7 to be able to use IE. I was able to tap the windows button and go to the main screen, but I couldn't use IE till after the reboot
had my samsung since launch the 8th
I have not had any problems what so ever!! and i have installed a 32gb class 2 card in connection with the 8gb internal and it runs great no problems to this time never had to reboot or lock ups nothing... most likly you have a bad sd card...
yea i can also report the same, mine is smooth as. what i have been doing of late is leaving my pc on at night, and my phone connected to wifi (charging as well), and it would sync with my pc throughout the night. get up the morning and videos are ready to go for me to take on the train. haven't experienced any difficulties at all yet.
i would report the issue to your carrier and get a replacement handset, or hard reset first to see if it's not just some dodgy build on your phone.
Ive been using my device for 3 days. I've only encountered 1 or two odd problems
1. when i was connected to the uni's wifi and visited weather.com it kinda borked out (i think it had to do with my uni re-directing to a login page to verify identity)
(or it could have been weather.com loading some scripts (didnt see it as a mobile device)
2. i develop for wp7 and sometimes after i deploy an application to my phone, the back button wont work. (sometimes meaning it happened once )
No crashes or anything of that nature though..
Can anyone agree that the shutter speed on the camera is really slow? I am assuming its a windows software issue as the cameras in almost all wp7 devices are the same.
It really sounds like a faulty hardware. 3 crashes in a day? Wow, even my Fuze never did that with XDA builds. From the reviews and experiences from other users here. I'd say you are either alone or one of very few in that experience.
I handled a Focus for few mites yesterday side by side with iPhone 4 and Captivate. Android felt like beta, iphone4 as final RC build and WP7 as RTM in terms of usability. I like and still use my iPhone 2G so nothing against iPhone really.
microhaxo said:
Ive been using my device for 3 days. I've only encountered 1 or two odd problems
1. when i was connected to the uni's wifi and visited weather.com it kinda borked out (i think it had to do with my uni re-directing to a login page to verify identity)
(or it could have been weather.com loading some scripts (didnt see it as a mobile device)
2. i develop for wp7 and sometimes after i deploy an application to my phone, the back button wont work. (sometimes meaning it happened once )
No crashes or anything of that nature though..
Can anyone agree that the shutter speed on the camera is really slow? I am assuming its a windows software issue as the cameras in almost all wp7 devices are the same.
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yea, the auto focus and shutter do take their time. it should be really snappy. it should auto focus and take phone pretty much instantly... sadly it isn't the case. hopefully it picks up, though i don't seem them doing this till like WP8.
The main thing is, MS will be doing the updating and that means quality updates for each and every handset out there. But the latest news has me a bit concerned, Balmer selling off so much stock in MS. So far he has sold 49 million shares of MS and is said to sell a total of 74 million eventually. I'm wondering if it's related to WP7 and if there is something we all should be concerned about.
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The main thing is, MS will be doing the updating and that means quality updates for each and every handset out there. But the latest news has me a bit concerned, Balmer selling off so much stock in MS. So far he has sold 49 million shares of MS and is said to sell a total of 74 million eventually. I'm wondering if it's related to WP7 and if there is something we all should be concerned about.
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Very interesting indeed. That's a lot of cheese. You got me wondering too.
he has a few hundred million shares if not billions in MS... i believe what he's selling is a mere few percent if that of his shares. Bill Gates sells off that many regularly to support his charities... i wouldn't take much note of it.
Tried hard-resetting, to no effect. It's bad enough that at this point I hope it's an isolated hardware problem, as I wonder what my not so tech-savvy friends/family would do if they bought a WP7 phone and encountered this.
It's been crashing out of apps, freezing at the shutdown "Goodbye" screen, showing UI issues in IE, giving DRM errors in Netflix (and restarting every time Netflix is closed), sometimes not turning the screen off (pressing power key would just lock the phone), etc.
Hopefully T-Mobile can swap this out tomorrow.
(oh and this is attempt 2 at writing this post-- tried it on the HD7 the first time, and after I pressed Submit Reply, the phone dropped Wifi, IE went to an Action Cancelled page, and then the OS crashed)
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Very interesting indeed. That's a lot of cheese. You got me wondering too.
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There is also a change in capital gains tax, he maybe wanted to take advantage or needed some liquid cash. I doubt very much it is anything else!
amb9800 said:
Tried hard-resetting, to no effect. It's bad enough that at this point I hope it's an isolated hardware problem, as I wonder what my not so tech-savvy friends/family would do if they bought a WP7 phone and encountered this.
It's been crashing out of apps, freezing at the shutdown "Goodbye" screen, showing UI issues in IE, giving DRM errors in Netflix (and restarting every time Netflix is closed), sometimes not turning the screen off (pressing power key would just lock the phone), etc.
Hopefully T-Mobile can swap this out tomorrow.
(oh and this is attempt 2 at writing this post-- tried it on the HD7 the first time, and after I pressed Submit Reply, the phone dropped Wifi, IE went to an Action Cancelled page, and then the OS crashed)
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That definitely sounds like a rogue habdset, I have the HD& and have had hardly any issues.
I really don't think MS is betting the farm on WP7, sure it's important to their lineup, but it's never going to be the money maker like the iPhone is for Apple.
MS makes it's break and butter off OS's(Server and Desktop), Office Suite and XBOX Live.
Everything else is just a plus.
Just to follow up, went and swapped out the phone, and now it's all fine. Guess HTC/T-Mo's quality control needs some work.
When I described all my issues to the people at the T-Mobile store, their response was "it's a Windows phone-- all Windows phones freeze and do things like that" . Finally was able to get them to swap it out though.
Incidentally they had a bunch of HD7s sitting around-- apparently I'm the only one who's actually bought one from the store (and this is in New York) .
i have been using WP7 since it came out in UK, untill yesterday there has been no siginificant issues, couple to times accelrometer didn't work properly but yesterday
marketplace app wouldn't launch
couldn't buy apps on marketplace, can get free apps
twitter app errored out
scrolling in marketplace app got stuck for few mins
had to reboot it twice, back or windows button wouldn't work.
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I really don't think MS is betting the farm on WP7, sure it's important to their lineup, but it's never going to be the money maker like the iPhone is for Apple.
MS makes it's break and butter off OS's(Server and Desktop), Office Suite and XBOX Live.
Everything else is just a plus.
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I kind of disagree...from what I've read they are betting on this as they know the future is mobile to a large extent. I believe they will force WP7 to be a success, similar to what they did with Xbox...
lip said:
I kind of disagree...from what I've read they are betting on this as they know the future is mobile to a large extent. I believe they will force WP7 to be a success, similar to what they did with Xbox...
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And I'm hoping you are 200% correct. Because it means our mobile platform of choice will only get better; will only improve. That means MS will listen to the market (general public, not customizers) and give it what it wants.
Speaking of wants, what the forecast for Angry Birds on WP7?

the features that make me want to keep wp7 never work...

Am I the only person who thinks that if wp7 just worked (as is), you would be 100% satisfied?
My live tiles have never worked properly and using more than 4 drains battery. The web browser is very fast when it works but more than a few times it has locked up and randomly rebooted the phone. The GPS never gives me the correct location, showing me as being more than a mile away from where I really am. When I see something I really want to take a picture of I try to go straight to the camera app by holding the camera button, nothing happens and I have to let go and hold it again.
I am not saying that I don't love wp7, because to me it is better than both iPhone or Android. I just wish it would work the way i expect it to.
The camera button wont work if the proximity sensor is being covered. and i'm satisfied! apart from bluetooth which to me is completely useless as it seems to never work but i've found the gps on my omnia 7 to be awesome, never yet had a lock up or automatic reboot! Mango is going to fix many problems anyway so it'll work out for you
Thanks, I hope so because it is a great os just been very buggy for me.
Which device do you have, OP?
A lot of those issues you're describing sound like a problem with the internal memory or a memory card..
I've never had my phone randomly reboot
I've had quite a few random reboots but none of the other problems mentioned in the OP.
You are just *****ing !!!!!!!!!
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Am I the only person who thinks that if wp7 just worked (as is), you would be 100% satisfied?
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I am not saying that I don't love wp7, because to me it is better than both iPhone or Android. I just wish it would work the way i expect it to.
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Another one with a bold statment in the title so ppl read it ..... what is all about ???? its just ....*****ing
Realy tired of those kind of post arround here...
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Which device do you have, OP?
A lot of those issues you're describing sound like a problem with the internal memory or a memory card..
I've never had my phone randomly reboot
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Yes. Which device do you have. I've had none of the above issues and my phone just works AND it's a Dell Venue Pro.
There are live tiles that can become stuck at times like Alphajax and Weatherbug. They eventually release. But, Mango seems to have fixed those issues.
I have the 1.3 Samsung focus using 7390 nodo. This is my third focus and they all had the same problems.
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Another one with a bold statment in the title so ppl read it ..... what is all about ???? its just ....*****ing
Realy tired of those kind of post arround here...
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Yeah right.
Might be a Samsung issue then.
ryude said:
Am I the only person who thinks that if wp7 just worked (as is), you would be 100% satisfied?
My live tiles have never worked properly and using more than 4 drains battery. The web browser is very fast when it works but more than a few times it has locked up and randomly rebooted the phone. The GPS never gives me the correct location, showing me as being more than a mile away from where I really am. When I see something I really want to take a picture of I try to go straight to the camera app by holding the camera button, nothing happens and I have to let go and hold it again.
I am not saying that I don't love wp7, because to me it is better than both iPhone or Android. I just wish it would work the way i expect it to.
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The only - well known for others too - issue I had on NoDo is the tiles not updating, Marketplace not showing updates - all this push stuff.
However browser and GPS are fine, and the phone rebooted itself maybe once - rock solid performance actually (LG Optimus 7).
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I have the 1.3 Samsung focus using 7390 nodo. This is my third focus and they all had the same problems.
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Do you have a memory card in the phone? if so I am sure you know not all memory cards work...
Well, I have the Samsung Focus 1.3 running 7390 and I've never had those issues.
BTW, the Samsung Focus is notorious for battery drain because of the AMOLED screen.
Anyhow, I've had a few times were the browser shut on me. I just have to launch IE again; I've experienced no reboot issue.
The GPS also gives me accurate location.
As for the camera app, you have to NOT block the proximity sensor when launching from the camera key.
Anyhow, seeing that you constantly have issues with the Samsung Focus model, I suggest you trade in for the HTC Surround or the LG Quantum and see if you have issues there.
I am holding out for a mango device, I am thinking of buying the nokia sea ray or whatever they release. Glad to know that it's not a widespread problem guys, thanks.
About the GPS, you must allow the GPS device to re-locate your location, depend how strong your network are.
This forum have several articles like this when people can't believe themselves when the device show they are LA instead of San Francisco.
I know my HD7 never goes away that far, but it does show the wrong location of mine for a least a mile away several times in a few minutes/
None of those problems on my HD7 ... I'm trying to hold out for Mango. Sounds like they are hardware related though. I'm sticking with what I've got. No sense in buying a new device that is going to have its own bugs.
My problems with the my device are entirely software related ... Cept for the lack of a keyboard and possibly the pink camera hue.
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ryude said:
Am I the only person who thinks that if wp7 just worked (as is), you would be 100% satisfied?
My live tiles have never worked properly and using more than 4 drains battery. The web browser is very fast when it works but more than a few times it has locked up and randomly rebooted the phone. The GPS never gives me the correct location, showing me as being more than a mile away from where I really am. When I see something I really want to take a picture of I try to go straight to the camera app by holding the camera button, nothing happens and I have to let go and hold it again.
I am not saying that I don't love wp7, because to me it is better than both iPhone or Android. I just wish it would work the way i expect it to.
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Aint going to comment or fuel any more whinning or *****ing in this post (yours and from others replying here), but I will comment on the issues you've had compared to mine.
Live tiles are working just fine atm... I've had some issues in the past, but they all seem to have vanished. Weather, Facebook, Foursquare, Twitter and a few others and they all work fine now. As for them draining my battery, I do give the Trophy a good run for its money during the day and it still gets home late at nite with enough battery.
Never had any issues with the browser... fast, has NEVER crashed or locked the phone. Don't know what else to tell ya.
GPS also works great... very fast in Foursquare, and I've compared it to at least 2 Android devices and it just flat out won. Map wise, finds my location just fine, doesnt take the 5 minutes to find my location that I've seen some devices take.
Ain't it time you got something non-Samsung ?
Samsung on android sure does suck buggy as hell and GPS never worked on the moment intercept and it buggy on epic
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I should look into pointing this forum post out to some people in some company that might find it interesting.
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about the live tiles and push... this will be fixed in Mango. Live tiles and push before Mango are hit or miss, badly implemented and poorly tested. If your carrier does not support it propperly it will not work on NoDo... Mango fixed almost every issue regarding push (as far as I noticed, am testing it for a few weeks now).
It sucks they did not implemented it properly at first, since a lot of the people have not been able to use apps with live tiles AT ALL. Mango fortunately corrects this, better late then never.

Smartwatches: Think Tank (Attn: SONY SMARTWATCH, WIMM, PEBBLE, METAWATCH,MOTO

Having extensive experience with both phone watches and BT-enabled watches, I want to make an important remark to firmware/software developers for these devices, more so after having recently acquired a SONY Smartwatch.
It is simple: NOTIFICATIONS NEED TO BE PUSHED ALL THE WAY. ALL GOODS NEED TO BE DELIVERED.
In the Sony Smartwatch, a vibration accompanied by a Gmail logo is useless. Having me awake the watch, click on ‘Events’, click again on the message and only then being able to see the email message defeats the purpose of immediateness. Probably easier for me to reach out to the phone and see what the notification is about.
The right way to go is simple: everything the phone has in terms of message info needs to be pushed to the watch notification:
“Email from John Doe
To [email protected]
Subject: Dinner on Tue
->And the entire body”
Same with SMS, IM notifications, or anything. Having only the SMS or Gmail or Whatsapp logos and have to hunt down for the message in the watch is absurd.
The way the MBW-150 worked offered way more info at a glance; Sony is moving backward with this minimalistic notification approach. More is needed.
Secondly: let me disable BT on the watch (say when batt is low or overnight) without forcing me to shut down the device -> no time telling anymore.
Third: watch brightness needs to be adjustable from the watch itself (let me manage battery life myself, I’m a grown up).
Fourth: an audio beep won’t kill anyone. When I’m driving, for instance, I cannot feel the phone vibration. A CASIO-style ‘beep-beep’ cannot hurt. While I understand this may involve additional hardware and pose operational complexities, this is a nice-to-have feature.
First two remarks are KEY, and I’d appreciate not only Sony but everybody involved in such development to think a bit smart before pouring a fortune into development.
Anyone has anything else worth highlighting?
Thanks
Sure dude. But first things first... I would scream that let these things display the clock at all times. Failure to do so defeats the whole watch disguise!
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Which app are you using to get Gmail notifications?
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Which app are you using to get Gmail notifications?
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I am messing with Customnotifier, GMail notifier (not 2), and RSS (which works best but drains the battery on the phone if set to frequent checks).
In any event, on the watch I only get an icon on the screen, no further info.
Rgds
Well they are moving in the right direction. With the updated firmware, that was released today, you are able to do a couple more things. You now have an option of leaving new watch faces on at all times. Also with notifications, you can now single tap the new notification icon and it will take you straight to the notification!
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Well they are moving in the right direction. With the updated firmware, that was released today, you are able to do a couple more things. You now have an option of leaving new watch faces on at all times. Also with notifications, you can now single tap the new notification icon and it will take you straight to the notification!
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Yes indeed. Touchscreen seems a tad more responsive now also, more polished.
Still, notifications need to appear spontaneously -no need to tap- and bightness should be adjustable -too much backlight for me; always staying indoors.
But it's a good step fwd and the app in the phone is more efficient.
Hi, I'm Considering buying this watch simply cos I'm a geek I guess, but, if it is possible for sony to update the firmware/create new apps, and others also to create new apps etc, isn't it almost inevitable that more detailed notifications will be developed eventually? Or am I wrong, is it up to just sony to develope new apps etc, meaning we'll have to wait for just them to decide, taking ages etc? (Unlinke the wimm one for example)..
It does look great, but I agree, notifications really MUST include details, and if this is a future possibility, then I'll get one. (Mainly due to the wimm one not being on sale over here yet! Arrghh!)
jmpcrx said:
Hi, I'm Considering buying this watch simply cos I'm a geek I guess, but, if it is possible for sony to update the firmware/create new apps, and others also to create new apps etc, isn't it almost inevitable that more detailed notifications will be developed eventually? Or am I wrong, is it up to just sony to develope new apps etc, meaning we'll have to wait for just them to decide, taking ages etc? (Unlinke the wimm one for example)..
It does look great, but I agree, notifications really MUST include details, and if this is a future possibility, then I'll get one. (Mainly due to the wimm one not being on sale over here yet! Arrghh!)
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The notifications seem detailed to me I mean you see the icon if you want to read the message tap the icon once. I like the screen always on update but I won't use it often since I rather have the battery last through the week.
I've checked back ever so often and there new apps popping up so I think development will only improve. Its honestly one of my favorite phone accessories I would recommend trying it out.
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Yes indeed. Touchscreen seems a tad more responsive now also, more polished.
Still, notifications need to appear spontaneously -no need to tap- and bightness should be adjustable -too much backlight for me; always staying indoors.
But it's a good step fwd and the app in the phone is more efficient.
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I agree I can't wait til they update to allow adjustment of of the backlight. The notifications I find using the MMS notifier over Sony's I get no delay in the notifications. The Gmail notifier app I use for Gmail sends me the notice without delay also.
Have you looked at the Metawatch at all? That ended up being my choice. Waiting for delivery.
RedRamage said:
Have you looked at the Metawatch at all? That ended up being my choice. Waiting for delivery.
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Good choice RedRamage. I have the analog Metawatch and expect the new iOS digital version any day. Latest phone console release and functions here
OP - fullly agree with the "at a glance" concept. Metawatch provided this for me and I have the Sony, WIMM, original Liveview and MotoACTV also.
Only very recently I was able to stop using MetaWatch and switch to the Sony only for this. See my blog @ augmentedtraffic.wordpress.com/2012/06/09/finally-true-real-time-at-a-glance-notifications-on-sony-smart-watch (you need to cut & paste into a browser since I have < 10 posts).
I use Tasker/K-9 combined with my app to get "at a glance' on a SonyWatch!
I am still testing battery life, but it seems OK. I haven't put the app on the market as yet as it is very customized to my use cases and it may be a bit too much for others to use. The only thing I am currently missing from the MetaWatch is the next upcoming appointment. I have everything else I was using (notifications at a glance, phone battery life, location, weather). I even added my last Withings scale weigh-in
Ok, I've got both of the 1st Gen MetaWatch models (The bt2 Analog and Digital ones), and maintain a popular fork of the Android MW software (see link in my sig), so I'll try and answer your points in relation to that watch.
1) Yes, MW will display your notifications as soon as the phone does - gmail is a little tricky as google keeps changing/modifying/revoking permissions with the official gmail app, so the information available to the watch manager app can be a little sketchy. If you use k-9 mail, you'll see the sender and subject. It doesn't display body text yet, but that is doable. Gmail would also be fixable by just making the app go to the gmail server directly and pull the message text when the new mail notification comes in.
The fork I maintain has an "Other notifications" Option, that lets you selectively display any android notification, although the OS limits how much information we can actually pull. If anyone has requests for additional notification support, then I'm happy to try adding it, assuming the developer of the app has provided intents or an api to access that information.
Currently notifications will stay on screen for a few seconds, then disappear (except for the SMS notifications, which, on the digital watch can be set to stay on screen until dismissed, as you can see the full body, and scroll) - On the digital watch you can configure a button to redisplay the last notification again if you missed it, and there's an on watch menu of all the previous notifications which is only a few button presses away.
2) Yes, all the MW models have a menu option (on the watch) that let you disable BT without turning off the watch, so you can still tell the time
3) Yes, the Analog MW model has menu options to configure the OLED brightness. There's nothing to configure on the Digital model, as it has an always on LCD screen (though there's an option in my fork of the app to automatically turn on its light when a notification comes in)
4) The MWs don't have a speaker, but they do have a powerful vibrator inside - it's pretty hard to miss it when it does vibrate, and the app lets you configure different vibration patterns for different notifications, so you can know what sort of message it was without even looking.
Let me know if you've got any other questions!
MW has some very good stuff, I'm quite familiar with it.
Pity -both for MW and SW- is the poor pixel density. I believe MOTO has a much better display.
B/W displays appear sub-optimal to me and definitely not the direction the market wants to move toward.
Also, beyond the immediate 'at-a-glance' notification, can you read within the watch the full email or notification in MW? This is also a key element.
One more topic I missed on SW is that once connection is lost we need not only vibration but some on-screen display, like a warning sign or something. This feature prevented me from leaving behind a SGSII in a bar when I was using my ancient MBW-150. Vibration won't typically suffice.
I survive 2.5 full days with heavy notification traffic with my SW. How long you stay unplugged with MW under heavy traffic?
Thanks for the good discussion.
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Also, beyond the immediate 'at-a-glance' notification, can you read within the watch the full email or notification in MW? This is also a key element.
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As I said, the current software doesn't support that, but it's something I'm planning on adding.
SMS messages currently support this - you can page through a long message, then dismiss it when you're done, so I just need to add the code to pull out (and strip html from) the body text - I know for certain that it's easily possible using k-9 mail, gmail will probably need work to talk to google's mail server directly to get the message text.
general forceps said:
One more topic I missed on SW is that once connection is lost we need not only vibration but some on-screen display, like a warning sign or something. This feature prevented me from leaving behind a SGSII in a bar when I was using my ancient MBW-150. Vibration won't typically suffice.
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Yes, it'll display a "No watch connection" icon in the top right of the time display, which is pretty hard to miss!
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I survive 2.5 full days with heavy notification traffic with my SW. How long you stay unplugged with MW under heavy traffic?
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I tend to get 2 or 3 days, depending on what I'm doing - 3 days for medium traffic, 2 for heavy traffic (usually when I'm developing features, so pushing lots of data to the watch)
3 days = Taken off the charger on Monday morning, needs to go back on the charger Wednesday evening before I go to bed.
I could probably get much longer battery life if I manually turned bt off each night, and back in the morning, but I like having my watch vibrate in the morning when the alarm goes off! Perhaps adding a "bt sleep" mode to the firmware would be a good addition.
How long does your battery last on the Sony Smartwatch if you keep the small digital clock on at all times?
I've had my watch a little over a week and haven't been able to make it through the day yet even with minimal notifications. The battery life has been very disappointing.
@benjymous:
I forgot to note that I shut it down when I go to sleep. In the morning I turn it on with no pairing issues, so we'd be looking at 18h/day actual uptime, for a total of say 45h per charge. Not stellar by any means.
@tjrhine:
It didn't even cross my mind to have the screen on full-time. It is obvious you won't make it tremendously far (I think the bat has a capacity below 130). No way. I push the button to get the time, I can live with this.
I also need to report that the glass is far from scratchproof. That's something that really pisses people off. Next HW release should DEFINITELY include at least Gorilla Glass and certainly a bigger battery. The thickness of the plastic clip and the strap can be each reduced by about half a millimeter that combined gives you 1mm that they should invest in a bigger capacity batt.
And obviously, a standard usb port.
Please keep ideas coming folks, thanks.
And this is how the notification queue should look like:
http://www.slashphone.com/media/data/767/inPulse_SmartWatch-2.jpg
I'm having exact same problem - Battery lasts barely 8-10 hrs. Do we need replacement watches?
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And this is how the notification queue should look like:
w ww.slashphone. com/media/data/767/inPulse_SmartWatch-2.jpg
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Looks like chinese product

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