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WP7 Bugginess?

Been playing with my HD7 (TMo USA) for two days now. Main problem's been that it's highly buggy.
I left it overnight to charge, and when I turned it on in the morning, everything was disconnected (no updates from Internet) as the Wifi connection was off. Went to the settings app, and only the first three options (ringtones & sounds, theme, and airplane mode) were even present. The entire rest of the menu panel was not even visible for some reason, so I couldn't enable Wifi.
I then restarted-- it connected to Wifi, slowly loaded one webpage, then when I returned five minutes later, it was in a weird state. Wifi could not be turned on (attempting to turn it on in settings had no effect). Opening IE would load a grayed-out version of the tab selector then crash back to the home screen with any click. Pretty much all apps would load an initial page but then crash whenever any input was submitted (e.g. email address/password for setting up accounts).
Pretty poor so far-- the UI is smooth and hasn't locked up per se (as Windows Mobile always inevitably does), but the inconsistency and random crashes make this feel like alpha software.
Actually it kind of feels like what'd result if you were to put a GPU-accelerated GUI on top of WM 6.x and then forced it to either act in a few seconds or abandon the task. Sometimes things work, sometimes they don't, and the GUI just glosses over as if nothing's wrong.
Anyone else having similar issues?

Hmm...the OS has crashed (causing a reboot) three times today so far-- once when downloading email (in inbox screen), once when loading a particular message, and again when trying to open the Marketplace (froze with one highlighted app, Need for Speed, shown, then 10-15 seconds later, phone restarted).
Wifi's also only intermittently connecting with a strong signal in the area (toggling it on/off doesn't seem to fix it).

There is the possible chance of just having a faulty device, (or simply a faulty MicroSD card which is used for memory. Have you tried a Hard Reset on the device and seeing if the problems resurface? Most people who have used WP7 for the most part so far have not mentioned issues like yours on the vast scale you have.

I've had mine for a couple days now also and it has been perfection as far as operation goes. I did have a bug in IE when I tried to respond to an XDS PM. I tried to delete the accumulated text and it funked up. Couldn't back out to a previous window so had to reboot WP7 to be able to use IE. I was able to tap the windows button and go to the main screen, but I couldn't use IE till after the reboot

had my samsung since launch the 8th
I have not had any problems what so ever!! and i have installed a 32gb class 2 card in connection with the 8gb internal and it runs great no problems to this time never had to reboot or lock ups nothing... most likly you have a bad sd card...

yea i can also report the same, mine is smooth as. what i have been doing of late is leaving my pc on at night, and my phone connected to wifi (charging as well), and it would sync with my pc throughout the night. get up the morning and videos are ready to go for me to take on the train. haven't experienced any difficulties at all yet.
i would report the issue to your carrier and get a replacement handset, or hard reset first to see if it's not just some dodgy build on your phone.

Ive been using my device for 3 days. I've only encountered 1 or two odd problems
1. when i was connected to the uni's wifi and visited weather.com it kinda borked out (i think it had to do with my uni re-directing to a login page to verify identity)
(or it could have been weather.com loading some scripts (didnt see it as a mobile device)
2. i develop for wp7 and sometimes after i deploy an application to my phone, the back button wont work. (sometimes meaning it happened once )
No crashes or anything of that nature though..
Can anyone agree that the shutter speed on the camera is really slow? I am assuming its a windows software issue as the cameras in almost all wp7 devices are the same.

It really sounds like a faulty hardware. 3 crashes in a day? Wow, even my Fuze never did that with XDA builds. From the reviews and experiences from other users here. I'd say you are either alone or one of very few in that experience.
I handled a Focus for few mites yesterday side by side with iPhone 4 and Captivate. Android felt like beta, iphone4 as final RC build and WP7 as RTM in terms of usability. I like and still use my iPhone 2G so nothing against iPhone really.

microhaxo said:
Ive been using my device for 3 days. I've only encountered 1 or two odd problems
1. when i was connected to the uni's wifi and visited weather.com it kinda borked out (i think it had to do with my uni re-directing to a login page to verify identity)
(or it could have been weather.com loading some scripts (didnt see it as a mobile device)
2. i develop for wp7 and sometimes after i deploy an application to my phone, the back button wont work. (sometimes meaning it happened once )
No crashes or anything of that nature though..
Can anyone agree that the shutter speed on the camera is really slow? I am assuming its a windows software issue as the cameras in almost all wp7 devices are the same.
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yea, the auto focus and shutter do take their time. it should be really snappy. it should auto focus and take phone pretty much instantly... sadly it isn't the case. hopefully it picks up, though i don't seem them doing this till like WP8.

The main thing is, MS will be doing the updating and that means quality updates for each and every handset out there. But the latest news has me a bit concerned, Balmer selling off so much stock in MS. So far he has sold 49 million shares of MS and is said to sell a total of 74 million eventually. I'm wondering if it's related to WP7 and if there is something we all should be concerned about.

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The main thing is, MS will be doing the updating and that means quality updates for each and every handset out there. But the latest news has me a bit concerned, Balmer selling off so much stock in MS. So far he has sold 49 million shares of MS and is said to sell a total of 74 million eventually. I'm wondering if it's related to WP7 and if there is something we all should be concerned about.
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Very interesting indeed. That's a lot of cheese. You got me wondering too.

he has a few hundred million shares if not billions in MS... i believe what he's selling is a mere few percent if that of his shares. Bill Gates sells off that many regularly to support his charities... i wouldn't take much note of it.

Tried hard-resetting, to no effect. It's bad enough that at this point I hope it's an isolated hardware problem, as I wonder what my not so tech-savvy friends/family would do if they bought a WP7 phone and encountered this.
It's been crashing out of apps, freezing at the shutdown "Goodbye" screen, showing UI issues in IE, giving DRM errors in Netflix (and restarting every time Netflix is closed), sometimes not turning the screen off (pressing power key would just lock the phone), etc.
Hopefully T-Mobile can swap this out tomorrow.
(oh and this is attempt 2 at writing this post-- tried it on the HD7 the first time, and after I pressed Submit Reply, the phone dropped Wifi, IE went to an Action Cancelled page, and then the OS crashed)

1toadfacedfrump said:
Very interesting indeed. That's a lot of cheese. You got me wondering too.
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There is also a change in capital gains tax, he maybe wanted to take advantage or needed some liquid cash. I doubt very much it is anything else!

amb9800 said:
Tried hard-resetting, to no effect. It's bad enough that at this point I hope it's an isolated hardware problem, as I wonder what my not so tech-savvy friends/family would do if they bought a WP7 phone and encountered this.
It's been crashing out of apps, freezing at the shutdown "Goodbye" screen, showing UI issues in IE, giving DRM errors in Netflix (and restarting every time Netflix is closed), sometimes not turning the screen off (pressing power key would just lock the phone), etc.
Hopefully T-Mobile can swap this out tomorrow.
(oh and this is attempt 2 at writing this post-- tried it on the HD7 the first time, and after I pressed Submit Reply, the phone dropped Wifi, IE went to an Action Cancelled page, and then the OS crashed)
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That definitely sounds like a rogue habdset, I have the HD& and have had hardly any issues.

I really don't think MS is betting the farm on WP7, sure it's important to their lineup, but it's never going to be the money maker like the iPhone is for Apple.
MS makes it's break and butter off OS's(Server and Desktop), Office Suite and XBOX Live.
Everything else is just a plus.

Just to follow up, went and swapped out the phone, and now it's all fine. Guess HTC/T-Mo's quality control needs some work.
When I described all my issues to the people at the T-Mobile store, their response was "it's a Windows phone-- all Windows phones freeze and do things like that" . Finally was able to get them to swap it out though.
Incidentally they had a bunch of HD7s sitting around-- apparently I'm the only one who's actually bought one from the store (and this is in New York) .

i have been using WP7 since it came out in UK, untill yesterday there has been no siginificant issues, couple to times accelrometer didn't work properly but yesterday
marketplace app wouldn't launch
couldn't buy apps on marketplace, can get free apps
twitter app errored out
scrolling in marketplace app got stuck for few mins
had to reboot it twice, back or windows button wouldn't work.

MrAlchemist said:
I really don't think MS is betting the farm on WP7, sure it's important to their lineup, but it's never going to be the money maker like the iPhone is for Apple.
MS makes it's break and butter off OS's(Server and Desktop), Office Suite and XBOX Live.
Everything else is just a plus.
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I kind of disagree...from what I've read they are betting on this as they know the future is mobile to a large extent. I believe they will force WP7 to be a success, similar to what they did with Xbox...

lip said:
I kind of disagree...from what I've read they are betting on this as they know the future is mobile to a large extent. I believe they will force WP7 to be a success, similar to what they did with Xbox...
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And I'm hoping you are 200% correct. Because it means our mobile platform of choice will only get better; will only improve. That means MS will listen to the market (general public, not customizers) and give it what it wants.
Speaking of wants, what the forecast for Angry Birds on WP7?

Camera crashed. Lost everything.

I'm so mad right now.
My camera app crashed even after several reboots forcing a Hard reset.
I lost all my data and the camera app still crashes.
I can't describe how mad I am.
I press the camera button and it shows for a sec. It then immediately returns to the home screen.
I'm gonna contact Microsoft first thing in the morning.
I might lose a job because of this.
The hard reset didn't fix anything. It still crashes .
Can someone link me the he fastest way to get to Microsoft to help me fix this stuff.
I'm seriously going insane. All me stuff is gone and since its impossible to take a backup I'll never get it back.
Die, Microsoft. Die.
You just made me lose heaps of things because of a camera flaw.

Thanks for letting us know:
1. What you were doing when it crashed.
2. What type of phone you have.
3. Whether or not you're using a 3rd party MicroSD card in the slot.
4. What actually happens when it crashes (phone freezes, app just closes, middle finger graphic comes up on the screen, what does it do?)
5. Were you on WiFI, EDGE, 3G, GPRS?
6. Are you sure the device isn't defective (And/or prematurely failing on you? In this case, the OS has nothing to do with it - can happen on any phone running any Smartphone OS)
7. Other trivial information that can cause us to come to better conclusions.
Instead, you plummel us with bad grammar, vulgarities, and a rant that will certainly accomplish nothing due to #s 1-5.
BTW, you should back up all important information on any device. Laptop, Tablet PC, Desktop PC, Smartphone, Thumb Drive, etc. It's not Microsoft's fault if you lose you fault due to data loss. Important information should be backed up and IIRC Windows Phone 7 is capable of keeping the Camera Roll Sync'd up with SkyDrive.
I give you 3/10, though.
Ciao!

You might try Windows Phone Support on twitter. They usually reply pretty fast during business hours.
http://twitter.com/#!/WinPhoneSupport
A side note, if you've got a job that depends on your ability to take pictures, you might not want to depend on a phone's camera and use a dedicated camera.

@Side Note: Still shouldn't matter. Anyone that takes (EDIT) photos for business use with their phone camera should have the SkyDrive Camera Roll Backup/Sync enabled and you can set your Photo Gallery to Private.
The OP's situation is completely avoidable.

badboy70 said:
I might lose a job because of this.
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This is either a very bad troll or you're a complete moron. I can't decide.
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damn my camera app crashed too yesterday after i was changing some settings.
i turned off light and changed the measurement adjustment.
it crashed when i tried to focus the object. black screen, crash.
so happy a restart fixxed it, i better dont mess with the settings for some time...

Yeah, besides, Microsoft did not MAKE you do a hard reset of your device.
If you read the manual and understood what you were doing before you did it you would have known that a Hard Reset puts the phone back to its initial state.
You must have also disabled image syncing onto Zune which would have backed up your photos everytime you plugged it in or Wifi synched it. Could have also auto-uploaded the pics to Skydrive and had a lower resolution copy on there.
Can't blame Microsoft for this. Yes, the camera should not be broken, but most times a soft reset will fix any software issues.

Bah, sorry.
I was kinda drunk when I posted this.
I was at a party.
But to answer the questions:
1. What you were doing when it crashed.
Nothing. I tried to take a picture by holding the camera button whilit was still locked.
2. What type of phone you have.
HTC HD7
3. Whether or not you're using a 3rd party MicroSD card in the slot.
No, I did not modify my phone
4. What actually happens when it crashes (phone freezes, app just closes, middle finger graphic comes up on the screen, what does it do?)
It shows the zoom bar on the right, then immediately closes and shows the start screen.
5. Were you on WiFI, EDGE, 3G, GPRS?
Edge
6. Are you sure the device isn't defective (And/or prematurely failing on you? In this case, the OS has nothing to do with it - can happen on any phone running any Smartphone OS)
Nope, there's nothing wrong with it other than that.
7. Other trivial information that can cause us to come to better conclusions.
Not really, I never did anything special to it.
All I did that evening was texting, calling and updating my status on Facebook because the power blacked out, three times.

Ok, so after the third hard reset the camera works again.
But now all the pictures I take are rotated 90 degrees
I think there's definately something wrong with the camera app.

badboy70 said:
Ok, so after the third hard reset the camera works again.
But now all the pictures I take are rotated 90 degrees
I think there's definately something wrong with the camera app.
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Sounds more like a HW problem to me (wouldn't be the first for a HD7) as it doesn't happen to everyone else.

Yeah, sounds like a bad HD7 to me too. My first HD7 was an awesome phone, if by awesome, the standard you use is how often it simulated Windows XP by crashing on me.
Returned it and got a new one and it's been smooth sailing so far.
Send that POS back and replace, blame HTC not MS and don't do your business while drunk otherwise it won't be the phone's fault you lost your job.

i don't know which is worse, being unable to identify the cause or blaming something else other than the cause

badboy70 said:
I'm so mad right now.
My camera app crashed even after several reboots forcing a Hard reset.
I lost all my data and the camera app still crashes.
I can't describe how mad I am.
I press the camera button and it shows for a sec. It then immediately returns to the home screen.
I'm gonna contact Microsoft first thing in the morning.
I might lose a job because of this.
The hard reset didn't fix anything. It still crashes .
Can someone link me the he fastest way to get to Microsoft to help me fix this stuff.
I'm seriously going insane. All me stuff is gone and since its impossible to take a backup I'll never get it back.
Die, Microsoft. Die.
You just made me lose heaps of things because of a camera flaw.
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Honestly, I'm actually surprised somebody hasn't posted Die, Badboy70. Die. because of this post, XDA is maturing. Anyway, your Zune auto syncs your photos by default, I'm assuming if you do this for a living, you'd know not to turn this off. So, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that you're FOS for saying you're losing a job because of this. I'm betting more on you being a 14 year old who's phone is malfunctioning due to a hardware problem and had to come rant about it instead of asking for help.
Jonno2343 said:
Yeah, besides, Microsoft did not MAKE you do a hard reset of your device.
If you read the manual and understood what you were doing before you did it you would have known that a Hard Reset puts the phone back to its initial state.
You must have also disabled image syncing onto Zune which would have backed up your photos everytime you plugged it in or Wifi synched it. Could have also auto-uploaded the pics to Skydrive and had a lower resolution copy on there.
Can't blame Microsoft for this. Yes, the camera should not be broken, but most times a soft reset will fix any software issues.
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Just wanted to echo this.
badboy70 said:
Bah, sorry.
I was kinda drunk when I posted this.
I was at a party.
But to answer the questions:
1. What you were doing when it crashed.
Nothing. I tried to take a picture by holding the camera button whilit was still locked.
2. What type of phone you have.
HTC HD7
3. Whether or not you're using a 3rd party MicroSD card in the slot.
No, I did not modify my phone
4. What actually happens when it crashes (phone freezes, app just closes, middle finger graphic comes up on the screen, what does it do?)
It shows the zoom bar on the right, then immediately closes and shows the start screen.
5. Were you on WiFI, EDGE, 3G, GPRS?
Edge
6. Are you sure the device isn't defective (And/or prematurely failing on you? In this case, the OS has nothing to do with it - can happen on any phone running any Smartphone OS)
Nope, there's nothing wrong with it other than that.
7. Other trivial information that can cause us to come to better conclusions.
Not really, I never did anything special to it.
All I did that evening was texting, calling and updating my status on Facebook because the power blacked out, three times.
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Your excuse of being drunk just validates the first part of my phone. You won't know your device is defective without a professional looking at the camera hardware. Just becase nothing else is messing up doesn't mean the camera isn't defective. Considering it worked, and then didn't, especially on factory settings leads me to believe this is hardware related, if it even exists at all. I would try to replace the device.

It's more likely to be a defective HD7 ...

Doesn't a hard reset delete all the data off your phone? So instead syncing it to your PC and extracting the photos you decided to delete. It may be MS fault that your Camera app crashed, but its your fault the data is missing. Why didn't you back your photos up on your computer or even to skydrive? Couldn't had been to important if your didn't.

*Sigh*....starting to lose faith...

So here's a typical day with WP7.
Wake up, unplug phone from PC. I had left it to sync overnight, because for some reason Zune wasn't syncing a particular photos subfolder (1), so I removed the whole lot and resynced over 6,000 photos while I slept. Found the phone was only half-charged (2). Plugged it into the mains while I got ready for work.
Saw there was an update for Board Express Pro, downloaded it but it failed, as I'm using the trial (3).
As I left for work, I went to hit PLAY on my music, expecting to carry on listening to the music I had last night, but in the dropdown music controls, it displayed just a blank. So I had to reselect the album (4).
On the train, sat at the station waiting to leave, I went to access Game Chest: Logic Games to make my next chess move in the ongoing game against my wife. The phone spent ages starting up the game, then informed me, despite having a 3G connection, that it couldn't connect to the game (5). Tried two or three more times (6). No dice. Decided to try Alphajax, but on starting that up, it complained it couldn't obtain push notifications (7). It asked me to restart my phone, which I did (8). The restart got stuck at the "Windows Phone" splash screen for about two minutes - it normally takes a couple of seconds, so that was a worry (9). Eventually I got my home screen, so I went back into Alphajax and got the same message again (10). So no push updates any more for that game. Went back to my home screen and noticed that I'm also not getting tile updates for either Flixster (11) or Flickr (12). Decided to play a bit of Sudoku (Game Chest: Logic Games). I always use a bluetooth headset, and partway through the game something happened and the sounds stopped coming through (13). I had to go into SETTINGS and disconnect my headset, then reconnect to get it working again (14).
I went into Marketplace to look for an app to keep my ten-pin bowling scores in. I found a couple, but they both keep the scores on the phone with no way to sync to my PC or to the cloud, hence they're useless because if my phone breaks, gets stolen or hard resets itself, I stand to lose the entire bowling score history that I'd have inputted to the app (15). So I knocked up a spreadsheet and emailed it to my phone (no easy way to get it onto the phone (16)). When I opened the sheet on the phone, I found just about all the formatting had vanished and several of the centered headings were invisible (17). So I made up my mind to keep my scores in a notebook while bowling and enter them into a spreadsheet on my PC when I get home. So much for smartphones (18).
Now I'm at work, writing this, and have experienced 18 annoyances with my phone in the space of just four hours.
I am seriously starting to get sick of it.
I think I'm on the cusp of going to try out Android! Save me!

The fact is.. we are early adopters. Yes.
And we all know that we would have a problematic phone in our hands when we bought WP7. Then why did I buy this?
Because I was faithful that Microsoft was not going to blow it up. I thought MS was going to update, fix bugs, and try their best, since they have the nicest phone right now.
It's not the bugs that annoy me. It is the fact that the January update turns out to be an April update (yeah, we are 22 March and nothing until now).
And it doens't fix a quarter the problems that we can found in the list of bugs thread.
I share your pain and frustration.
Yesterday I caught myself looking at Nexus S. I'm worried ;/
Still.. since I've balls, I'll stand and wait some more for MS do something useful in this life (oh, yeah, they do sometimes.. Xbox, Win7..)
Don't abandon us!

I don't believe the phone charges while it is in the process of syncing over USB, only when it is in standby, it has been discussed a few times. If you just synced, obviously it accessed your music, so how can you expect it to have not prevented you from accessing it, it does that as a precautionary measure. The trial issue has been discussed a variety of times as well, It's been fixed in NoDo. The games and push notifications could be device specific, as you're the 3rd person I've seen mention this. I use my SkyDrive to move files, or email, I don't see how that isn't "easy." As far as the formatting, good luck finding perfect formatting on Android...

You see, there's no one thing with WP7 that in itself is enough to make me abandon it. It's just the daily grind of all those annoyances that continually grate on me. I'm always sat next to someone playing with their iPhone or Android or Blackberry and some of the time as I'm whizzing through WP7s tiles or playing with some jazzy app I can see them glance over at my phone....and then I'll almost inevitably come to an app that won't open and I'll have to reboot my phone to get it working and I can imagine them chuckling to themselves as I eat humble pie.
It. is. annoying. The potential is there but there are so many let-downs.

There is absolutely no need for this thread to turn into a flamewar.........
If you can offer a potential solution or any relevant information to the points raised by the OP then please dont be shy in putting them forward...
Anything else, dont bother.
That is all.

conantroutman said:
There is absolutely no need for this thread to turn into a flamewar.........
If you can offer a potential solution or any relevant information to the points raised by the OP then please dont be shy in putting them forward...
Anything else, dont bother.
That is all.
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Really don't see why my post had to be edited when it wasn't a 'flame' - maybe his response attacking my thank count was, but mine was asking a question of utilizing available resources. Those that have been posted a variety of times.

FiyaFleye said:
Really don't see why my post had to be edited when it wasn't a 'flame' - maybe his response attacking my thank count was, but mine was asking a question of utilizing available resources. Those that have been posted a variety of times.
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Dude I was just teasing ya! Anyway I think you've missed the point of the thread. I'm not looking for individual fixes / excuses / workarounds etc etc to each of the individual points. My point is, that was a TYPICAL day spent with WP7, and that all these little things contribute to an overall feeling of malaise with the OS. I've tried to put across that I am a stalwart of WP7 - I have had many many WM5 / 6 / 6.1 / 6.5 phones over the years and went straight to WP7 and yes there is much to like, which is why I'm still clinging to it.
I really just want to guage the mood among other WP7 users - are they experiencing similar malaise to me or not? Is it just me?

FiyaFleye said:
Really don't see why my post had to be edited when it wasn't a 'flame' - maybe his response attacking my thank count was, but mine was asking a question of utilizing available resources. Those that have been posted a variety of times.
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That statement wasnt specifically directed at you. You'll notice that posts from multiple users have been deleted in an attempt to bring this thread back on topic.
Let me make this very clear to all concerened.
I expect the next post to be directly related to the isues raised by the OP.
Not discussing the drama this thread has already caused in its short lifespan.
NO MORE OFF TOPIC CHATTER PLEASE!

typical ?
is this a typical day of your phone usage ? I've seen the bug thread, but there aren't a whole lot of folks posting similar accounts of annoyances... there are threads, but not so many all at once, such a short span of time.
I wonder how long since your last reset, and if you reboot it daily, weekly, or just when it becomes unusable ?
id imagine it this is a typical experience that m$ is working pretty hard on it... with the update getting pushed back regularly.

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Sadly, yeah
I've seen the bug thread, but there aren't a whole lot of folks posting similar accounts of annoyances... there are threads, but not so many all at once, such a short span of time.
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It wasn't until I started writing them down that I realized just how many there were.
I wonder how long since your last reset, and if you reboot it daily, weekly, or just when it becomes unusable ?
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I did a hard reset a couple of weeks back to cure the push notification issue, but it has returned. I reboot my phone whenever an app asks me to or an app stops working or anything else goes wrong that a reboot might cure. On average, probably about once or twice per day.
id imagine it this is a typical experience that m$ is working pretty hard on it... with the update getting pushed back regularly.
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The delays in getting the bug fixes are all part of the overall feeling of "meh" I'm getting about WP7.
Obviously you're still very much in love with WP7, which is fine - I wish I was, too, but despite me evangelizing it to all my mates, deep down I don't feel anything like as good about it as I did in October last year.
Actually, I just remembered another thing that went wrong this morning - when I came out of the (constantly crashing) Comica app, the screen graphics went all ape**** and I had to reboot. Again.

To be honest, with this many issues I would be inclined to think that it's a device specific problem.
Do you have any kind of warranty you could claim on?
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I understand a lot of the little frustrations, especially with the update delays, but one thing that did stand out for me is the comment about stability... having to restart your phone to get basic functionality (app launching) going again. I very seldom (less than once a month) have needed to reboot my Focus to get some service or app going again. Some apps do have stability issues for me, but a reboot of the phone doesn't appear to be needed... I can simply relaunch the app in question after it returns to the start menu (sometimes I've had an issue where the app needs a couple of launches to sort itself out).
Are you using a WP7 device with a replaced microSD card, or a Samsung Focus with an added microSD card? The stability issues sound like something that I'd expect to see with a non-compliant microSD card, or some hardware issue with the device. I'm running a Samsung Focus with an added 16 GB card (Ridata, class 6 for the curious), and 20+ GB of space has been used on the phone since Dec., and my device sounds like it is far more stable than yours at the moment.

conantroutman said:
To be honest, with this many issues I would be inclined to think that it's a device specific problem.
Do you have any kind of warranty you could claim on?
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Well yeah there's a warranty but most of the issues are either with apps or are known software issues.

VelJharig said:
I understand a lot of the little frustrations, especially with the update delays, but one thing that did stand out for me is the comment about stability... having to restart your phone to get basic functionality (app launching) going again. I very seldom (less than once a month) have needed to reboot my Focus to get some service or app going again. Some apps do have stability issues for me, but a reboot of the phone doesn't appear to be needed... I can simply relaunch the app in question after it returns to the start menu (sometimes I've had an issue where the app needs a couple of launches to sort itself out).
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I usually try restarting the app at least three times before I reboot. Rebooting always fixes it.
Are you using a WP7 device with a replaced microSD card, or a Samsung Focus with an added microSD card? The stability issues sound like something that I'd expect to see with a non-compliant microSD card, or some hardware issue with the device. I'm running a Samsung Focus with an added 16 GB card (Ridata, class 6 for the curious), and 20+ GB of space has been used on the phone since Dec., and my device sounds like it is far more stable than yours at the moment.
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No it's an HD7 with the stock O2 ROM and stock 16GB card as supplied. I have done nothing to it.

Jim Coleman said:
No it's an HD7 with the stock O2 ROM and stock 16GB card as supplied. I have done nothing to it.
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TBH, I think this is the main problem. HTC isn't exactly known for providing great SD cards with their devices.
I encountered similar issues on my HD7 but haven't seen them on either of the Omnia7's or Optimus7 currently available to me.

emigrating said:
TBH, I think this is the main problem. HTC isn't exactly known for providing great SD cards with their devices.
I encountered similar issues on my HD7 but haven't seen them on either of the Omnia7's or Optimus7 currently available to me.
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But if it was a problem with the storage card, why would rebooting fix it?
If any data on the card was corrupted, it would still be corrupted after the reboot. If it was a transient read error, then retrying would usually work, but it never does.

Jim Coleman said:
But if it was a problem with the storage card, why would rebooting fix it?
If any data on the card was corrupted, it would still be corrupted after the reboot. If it was a transient read error, then retrying would usually work, but it never does.
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I don't know for sure, but I reckon the OS gets bogged down over time. Either due to temporary files or running processes. I didn't investigate much myself as I returned the handset after about a week, but others with certain HTC devices (as well as some DVP owners) have said the problems go away by changing the SD card.
It may also be that it's fixed in NoDo as they have reworked the way memory is accessed. I did however see similar issues in the 7008 build on my Omnia7 - which made me revert to the standard 7004.

Hehe, WP7 is piling it on today. Just tried to download an app.
"Can't get this information at the moment. Check again in a little while."
*Sigh*

Jim Coleman said:
But if it was a problem with the storage card, why would rebooting fix it?
If any data on the card was corrupted, it would still be corrupted after the reboot. If it was a transient read error, then retrying would usually work, but it never does.
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I think we dell venue pro owners are the experts on sd cards and WP7 The known problem with the DVP crashing when using wifi or returning from standby with a black screen is fixed for a lot of people who swapped their sd cards, though not all. For reasons we cant pinpoint WP7 is spectacularly picky about which cards it works with. I myself have tried 2 new cards and have not managed to solve the crashing problem on my DVP.
Quite possibly you are experiencing the same intolerance to certain sd cards on your HD7 as has affected the DVP and possibly a device swap could fix it. I certainly have not experienced the level of individual application failures you have, and that is with a known crash happy device.

I think I will wait for Nodo and see what happens after. There are some bugfixes in Nodo so you never know. Nodo must surely be coming in the next few days.....right?

Now that NoDo is on my phone...

Now that NoDo is on my phone (thanks everyone!) I now get a chance to use it with my Focus. The first few moments wasn't too promising. The tiles were very unresponsive and the phone ended up rebooting on me. I've never had that happen before. Since then it hasn't done that, but the phone has been slow responding at times. I do need to reboot my phone as often as I did before though. That's probably a Samsung thing.
I haven't seen any real speed increase as a lot of people had been reporting. I guess the Focus was fast enough for me previously that it's just business as usual.
Periodically music still doesn't play out of the speaker after I pull out the headphone while the music is still playing. That was happening before the update and all I need to do is reboot the phone to get the speaker working again.
Unbelieveably, the cut and paste feature gets in the way when writing messages and I need to go back to a certain point. The entire word highlights when I just want the cursor there to start typing. Oh well, better to have it than not.
Bluetooth is a little louder with my headset now, which I'm happy about.
Overall, I'm happy I got the patch since AT&T doesn't seem to want to roll it out, but I'm just not experiencing much more than I got before. Maybe the Marketplace is better, but again, I never really had problems before.

Resuming apps is about twice as fast, now... The first thing I did was start Messenger by Miyowa and "Home" out and then resume it, since it's normally rather slow to resume. The speed increase there is noticeable.
Music pauses when you put a headphone in, or pull it out. That's normal. It's to stop you from missing part of the music, or to stop the music from blasting at full volume if the headset gets mistakenly unplugged...
You didn't really give much information, but if you've been rebooting your phone because of that...
L.O.L.
The highlighting word is an issue that's always existed. It makes it almost impossible to perform quick edits quickly because in most cases it's faster to just type the entire work over again than just add in the letter you need to correct a misspelling.
Marketplace was always a problem app since the platform launched. Before I got hte update earlier, I had to reboot my phone twice because Market did it's free-crash-crash thing. Now that you mentioned it, I need to go download some stuff to see if it freezes/crashes or still have the issue where you have to constantly pause and resume downloads for them to complete...

Marketplace never crashed while downloading anything here, it freezes when browsing apps sometimes. I don't have NoDo installed and probably won't until a solid unlock mechanism is found and published. Just wonder if my Marketplace problem is different from yours.

N8ter said:
The highlighting word is an issue that's always existed. It makes it almost impossible to perform quick edits quickly because in most cases it's faster to just type the entire work over again than just add in the letter you need to correct a misspelling.
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This actually is not an issue.
Tap and hold on the word and you'll have a nice cursor displayed which you can place anywhere.

True, Marketplace crashes ONLY while browsing.
Whatever installing or upgrades I perform, it works always.

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Resuming apps is about twice as fast, now... The first thing I did was start Messenger by Miyowa and "Home" out and then resume it, since it's normally rather slow to resume. The speed increase there is noticeable.
Music pauses when you put a headphone in, or pull it out. That's normal. It's to stop you from missing part of the music, or to stop the music from blasting at full volume if the headset gets mistakenly unplugged...
You didn't really give much information, but if you've been rebooting your phone because of that...
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Ah, yes, I guess it is faster resuming apps. I didn't notice it. Thanks for bringing it up.
The music pausing is fine and I understand that, but there are times when the speaker doesn't play music after unplugging the headphones. That's when I reboot.
I've also had to reboot the phone because it would default back to the screen that we all saw when we first purchased our phones. After rebooting it goes back to seeing my settings. Also there were times when Zune kept saying that I needed to plug into my PC even though it was just plugged in. After rebooting Zune worked fine.

Also, keep in mind that as far as WP7 goes, Samsung devices are problem devices.
There's a reason why AT&T is taking their time testing updates. They were the ones who had to pony up tons of cash when the first one bricked a lot of phones because of the firmware Samsung put on thoes phones. After that episode you can't really blame AT&T for taking their time. There were similar issues on Android phones as well (JI6 for the Vibrant, and some Galaxy S updates in Canada were frying Storage cards in the phone, etc.).
I never said Marketplace crashed while downloading apps, I said the download constantly froze. As in, it would get to 10% and free, then when you paused and resumed it would go to 20% and freeze, etc. all the way up to 100%. It did it a LOT. While browsing apps it would crash frequently, yes, that or freeze up on you.

I did not have my market place crashed after NoDo. It crash a lot before update.
Also I doubt the Samsung blame. All manufacture made some buggy firmwares, most SGS firmwares don't have problems. Just recall the Google firmware that send your message to some random person. If it's Samsung's issue, why Surround and Quantum's updates are also being hold.
After updating my Focus is in general faster. The tiles are responsive as before, loading time slightly improved. I don't have the problems stated in OP.
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Also, keep in mind that as far as WP7 goes, Samsung devices are problem devices.
There's a reason why AT&T is taking their time testing updates. They were the ones who had to pony up tons of cash when the first one bricked a lot of phones because of the firmware Samsung put on thoes phones. After that episode you can't really blame AT&T for taking their time. There were similar issues on Android phones as well (JI6 for the Vibrant, and some Galaxy S updates in Canada were frying Storage cards in the phone, etc.).
I never said Marketplace crashed while downloading apps, I said the download constantly froze. As in, it would get to 10% and free, then when you paused and resumed it would go to 20% and freeze, etc. all the way up to 100%. It did it a LOT. While browsing apps it would crash frequently, yes, that or freeze up on you.
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I'm pretty sure you are the only one who read my statement as stating it's been crashing since the NoDo update...
And the AT&T Firmwares are being held because AT&T had to pay for the Focus debacle. It's all on the same carrier. They will make sure they test the **** out of every phone they have to make sure the incident does not repeat itself.
Samsung's track record speaks for itself - and that is quite OS-agnostic as well...

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I'm pretty sure you are the only one who read my statement as stating it's been crashing since the NoDo update...
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I certainly can't be the only one that's been experiencing the headphone/speaker problem or the OS reverting back to default. It's possible that nobody else has spoken up about it. Either way it's annoying but certainly not a show stopper.
It was a bit embarrassing last night as I was playing some music through my headphones and I wanted my wife to listen to it. She LOVES the Windows 7 interface and is envious of it. She has an iPhone 3 and thinks the interface is cluttered. I stopped the music, pulled the headphone out, pressed play and the time elapse and progress bar were moving but no sound. This was right after she said she had "phone envy." I had to reboot the phone. I think she lost a little bit of envy after that.

N8ter said:
Also, keep in mind that as far as WP7 goes, Samsung devices are problem devices.
There's a reason why AT&T is taking their time testing updates. They were the ones who had to pony up tons of cash when the first one bricked a lot of phones because of the firmware Samsung put on thoes phones. After that episode you can't really blame AT&T for taking their time. There were similar issues on Android phones as well (JI6 for the Vibrant, and some Galaxy S updates in Canada were frying Storage cards in the phone, etc.).
I never said Marketplace crashed while downloading apps, I said the download constantly froze. As in, it would get to 10% and free, then when you paused and resumed it would go to 20% and freeze, etc. all the way up to 100%. It did it a LOT. While browsing apps it would crash frequently, yes, that or freeze up on you.
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AT&T didn't pony up any cash for bricked phones... Don't give them credit for pushing out the pre-update.. update before anyone else.. They have not released any updates for their WP7 phones yet. But are expected to release in couple weeks.

Doesn't matter, I was talking about the other carriers but since AT&T has the Focus here I tend to just write their name in there. After that debacle no one can blame them for holding back to update. To get mad at AT&T for being supercaution about an update that was bricking a phone they carry is illogical.

Well, ran into another instance where I had to reboot. Tried to make a call using the voice activation and the phone responded with, and I paraphrase, "eh, sonny? Speak up, I can't hear you!" So I tried again and it said "EH?" Rebooted the phone and suddenly it had a hearing aid and it worked perfectly. Whether it's a Samsung Focus bug or not it still exists.

I certainly never encountered anything like that. And Marketplace always downloads everything just fine.

OP your phone seems to give more trouble than usual. Have you considered taking it in to at&t? Go to the store and reproduce the speaker problems and let them exchange the phone for you.
Post nodi, market place no longer crashes period
Speed changes are most notable in games!
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Weird Annoying Typing Issue

Is anybody getting this weird issue when they're typing: The keyboard all of a sudden just goes away on it's own after 2 or 3 keystrokes. It happens a lot when I use the Bing Search function. I'll get two or three letters down then the keyboard abruptly goes away. So I have to get two or three key presses in each time I restart the process.
Anybody know what could be causing this? It's not just limited to my Bing Search, I literally got so frustrated trying to start this thread through my phone's browser that I had to dig out the laptop instead.

And this is happening on a Lumia 900?
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iiDeadSeriousii said:
Is anybody getting this weird issue when they're typing: The keyboard all of a sudden just goes away on it's own after 2 or 3 keystrokes. It happens a lot when I use the Bing Search function. I'll get two or three letters down then the keyboard abruptly goes away. So I have to get two or three key presses in each time I restart the process.
Anybody know what could be causing this? It's not just limited to my Bing Search, I literally got so frustrated trying to start this thread through my phone's browser that I had to dig out the laptop instead.
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the symptoms are those of the disappearing keyboard issue with mango. Its supposedly fixed in this release of mango. However several people have reported seeing it.
I suggest you report it to Nokia at the web site. You won't be able to fix it on your own.

alodar1 said:
the symptoms are those of the disappearing keyboard issue with mango. Its supposedly fixed in this release of mango. However several people have reported seeing it.
I suggest you report it to Nokia at the web site. You won't be able to fix it on your own.
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This still happens to me occasionally on both my original Focus, and my Lumia 900. Both are updated.

alodar1 said:
the symptoms are those of the disappearing keyboard issue with mango. Its supposedly fixed in this release of mango. However several people have reported seeing it.
I suggest you report it to Nokia at the web site. You won't be able to fix it on your own.
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Ok, I didn't know if it was a symptom of Mango or the Lumia. It's just so weird when it happens, I notice it when I'm low on battery more often, but idk what sort of relevance that would have. Thanks for the tip though.

Yeah, I get it quite often on my Lumia 900. Also my Radar still has it happen occasionally, my girlfriends Radar has it happen more than mine. All updated as well.
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Are you sure you're not accidently rubbing you hand/finger on the back button? The back button, since it's universal, will remove the keyboard if it's on screen. And because Back, Home and Search button all use capative touch instead of having to push them, simply rubbing or bumping them will cause them to activate.
I had this problem when I first got my Lumia, but I've adjusted and adapted.

SwimSwim said:
Are you sure you're not accidently rubbing you hand/finger on the back button? The back button, since it's universal, will remove the keyboard if it's on screen. And because Back, Home and Search button all use capative touch instead of having to push them, simply rubbing or bumping them will cause them to activate.
I had this problem when I first got my Lumia, but I've adjusted and adapted.
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For me, definitely not. I've tested it many times on my Lumia and my Focus. It's definitely something to do with the keyboard deactivating itself. It happens to me a lot if I try to share an article I read in WP7 News app and go to email. When I try to type my name in the TO: field, I get one or two letters, then it goes away and I end up clicking/typing in the message body.
It seems like if I give it a moment to rest, then start typing, it's less likely to do it, but that's a little annoying, since I want to check my stuff and get on with things. Not a huge issue, mind you, but annoying none the less.

No, im not accidentally touching the back buttons.I'll ask my girlfriend if she's having the same problem, but it's gotta be a software issue from what I'm hearing now.

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For me, definitely not. I've tested it many times on my Lumia and my Focus. It's definitely something to do with the keyboard deactivating itself. It happens to me a lot if I try to share an article I read in WP7 News app and go to email. When I try to type my name in the TO: field, I get one or two letters, then it goes away and I end up clicking/typing in the message body.
It seems like if I give it a moment to rest, then start typing, it's less likely to do it, but that's a little annoying, since I want to check my stuff and get on with things. Not a huge issue, mind you, but annoying none the less.
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Huh, this doesn't happen to me though. Guess it's only effecting certian modles... Nonetheless, this kind of defeats their whole add campaign (Smartphone beta test is over)

iiDeadSeriousii said:
Ok, I didn't know if it was a symptom of Mango or the Lumia. It's just so weird when it happens, I notice it when I'm low on battery more often, but idk what sort of relevance that would have. Thanks for the tip though.
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at&t has not rolled the fix out yet, but the lumia supposedly has it. Other carriers that rolled out the fix, still report some problems, though not nearly as widespread. AT&T says they will roll out the fix around the tango release timeframe..i think it needs more work.

Mine is doing it now after updating to the latest software, this sucks! I hope they fix it asap, very annoying when composing text and the keyboard disappear!

humblehyper said:
Mine is doing it now after updating to the latest software, this sucks! I hope they fix it asap, very annoying when composing text and the keyboard disappear!
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I have actually noticed this problem less and less as the weeks have gone on. It's not so much that I'm getting used to it, cause I notice when it does happen, I think it was just a weird thing. I haven't had a problem personally since the update either.

Hi,
I don't have this issue on my 900 nor does my wife see it on hers. That said, let me offer what I know about the keyboard disappearing from previous hardware/builds.
When I had this issue on earlier hardware (Focus/Focus S) it was caused by apps set to run in the background. When an app is set to run in the background, the app would shift focus away from the current user task for a split second, and if you have the keyboard out the keyboard thinks you've switched to a different task and it closes. The way I worked around it was to disable background tasking for all my apps (settings -> applications -> background tasks. Note that when an app updates itself, it will reset this background task setting so you have to reset it. I never saw this problem again after I updated my Focus S to 8107. Still, it might not hurt as a troubleshooting step to disable background tasks and see if the problem reappears.
Michael

so far, i've not encounter this issue with my phone yet, but seems to be affecting mango version only, coz mine is already on tango....