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So, then, why would anyone buy this?
I can't tether. I can't automatically record all phone calls. I can't file explore.
Maybe Sharepoint, XBox live, and the Zune stuff that these Commercials highlight so well.
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Maybe Sharepoint, XBox live, and the Zune stuff that these Commercials highlight so well.
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I like the ads. They're pretty good as an introduction to the platform.
Remember, most people have no clue that WP7 exists and is coming out soon. For us, this stuff is old news but you have to spoon feed consumers. If you jump straight to specific features and hardware, people will miss the point that this is a whole new platform. Once these sorts of basic ads are out and consumers are aware of the new Windows Phone's existence, you build on that and show off features and hardware.
I can already see an ad where the person is flipping through the interface, typing on the screen, and then in the last few seconds, flips out a physical keyboard and types something snarky.
Then some other ones showing off XBL gaming, Zune, etc. So much opportunity here for some pretty awesome ads. The more detailed ads will come in due time. They're just getting their feet wet. Google and Apple have a lot to be afraid of.
You make a good point, and I know this is the early stages as more will come. BUT, I have to be a jack ass and point out this great commercial.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yatSAEqNL7k
and this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diUjVY8zRJc
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I'd also like to point out how they're branding it. Notice... they're not saying "Windows Phone 7". I have been critical of the naming but I figured a while back that this is how they would brand it and I'm glad to see that they are. Noone cares about the number really. Many people will think it's 1.0. So instead of telling your buddy that you've got a "Windows Phone 7 phone" or something awkward like that the convention will just be to say "I've got a Windows Phone". If they actually know that WM6 existed (many people don't) they may ask "the old one or the new one" and you'd respond "windows phone 7". It's the same as someone saying "I've got an iPhone". They wouldn't say "I've got an iPhone4 phone". Or "I've got an Android 2.2 phone". It's just "Android" or more likely "I have a Droid". Man does Google have their branding all mixed up. I'm surprised this hasn't caused more of a problem than it seems to be. People just call every Android device a "Droid". Just imagine if Verizon didn't launch that ad campaign. Advertising matters, a lot.
Right again, WP7 the name has nothing to do with WM. Windows Phone is brand new, I forgot what the 7 actually means.
Most people I've seen with Androids don't know or just don't care what version they have.
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You make a good point, and I know this is the early stages as more will come. BUT, I have to be a jack ass and point out this great commercial.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yatSAEqNL7k
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diUjVY8zRJc
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Video chatting has been around for years. I felt like a douche doing it then. People looked like douches doing it then. And nothing has changed.
I'd love to stick with Microsoft products for mobile devices, but I have requirements since finding out what I can truly do with my Touch Pro 2. Imagine recording every single phone call in and out of this phone. Android doesn't even do that. It's been such a treat to have all that data.
So hopefully by the time I'm ready for a new device, WP7 will be ready to meet the standards.
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Right again, WP7 the name has nothing to do with WM. Windows Phone is brand new, I forgot what the 7 actually means.
Most people I've seen with Androids don't know or just don't care what version they have.
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Yea, they just get confused/annoyed when their friend's phone has a feature that theirs doesn't.
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Video chatting has been around for years. I felt like a douche doing it then. People looked like douches doing it then. And nothing has changed.
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Haha, I agree. Never seen the appeal. The only time I can see it being useful is long distance relationships and people traveling who have kids at home.
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Video chatting has been around for years. I felt like a douche doing it then. People looked like douches doing it then. And nothing has changed.
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The point is, have you seen it advertised like Apple. They made it look amazing. At the same time they showed off the retina display.
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The point is, have you seen it advertised like Apple. They made it look amazing. At the same time they showed off the retina display.
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tbh I don't think that Apple made it look more amazing than years ago, when Video calling was new.
I also haven't seen someone acctually using it more than, let's say once a year. It's really uncommon and not a point worth advertising. Even if WP7 doesn't support it (idk if it does), noones gonna miss it and point it out, except maybe Apple fanboys that think that "FaceTime" is totally awesome just because it's Apples idea
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Maybe Sharepoint, XBox live, and the Zune stuff that these Commercials highlight so well.
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A lot of good Droid commercials don't show any real phone features either. Unless changing your arm into a robot arm is a feature of a droid, or having circular lines shoot out of your phone .
They just show cool futuristic themes and graphics.
But the commercials do show a "feature" of the phone. They're trying to build an angle for their marketing. The angle/feature being that they want to advertise that you can consume content faster on wp7 and you're not a slave to your phone...whether it's true is irrelevant, but that's the advertising campaign they're pursuing.
Robot arms were for the new keyboard. Lines shooting out of the phone was showing the wifi hotspot capability.
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Robot arms were for the new keyboard. Lines shooting out of the phone was showing the wifi hotspot capability.
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no it wasn't, there is no kb on the droid x...it was a vessel for that phone to come out of (I'm talking about the droid commercial they show in theatres). The commercial had nothing to do with droid other than it appearing at the end. It's just something futuristic and mysterious.
There are lots of droid commercials that don't sell a feature. They just sell the image of droid being advanced, being "scifi".
^oh, I haven't seen one at a theater. My bad.
The one that didn't make sense to me was the Stealth Fighters one. Airplanes dropping boxes on the ground, with Droids in them didn't make sense to me
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^oh, I haven't seen one at a theater. My bad.
The one that didn't make sense to me was the Stealth Fighters one. Airplanes dropping boxes on the ground, with Droids in them didn't make sense to me
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I'm just saying, the point of a commercial is to introduce something memorable and to tie that recognition to a product. It's not an infomercial where you always sell features. It's a 30s effort to make something stick in someone's mind.
Take coca cola commercials...they don't always tell you how good it tastes. They have a lavish commercial and give you the impression that coke brightens your bad day.
Look at Geico...they have 25s of random nonsense with a gecko...then just say the line, "saved money on car insurance".
MS is going for a similar approach...they don't try to prove that wp7 "makes your day easier" they just say it does and try to imply that it is less of a hassle.
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The point is, have you seen it advertised like Apple. They made it look amazing. At the same time they showed off the retina display.
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This is a very sad state of affairs tech industry is in. There are so many great technologies out there that disappear without a trace simply because companies can't present them properly to general public. You have to wait for Apple to take the idea, distort it by putting in a walled garden "ecosystem" and make a simple interface that an average Joe can get without getting scared by options, settings and multiple ways of achieving the results.
I can only pray that Apple TV doesn't take off to kill development of DLNA.
Director of windows phone 7 confirmed tethering support will be supported via update, but not at launch...Hope this help....
http://www.wmexperts.com/director-windows-phone-7-confirms-tethering-support
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Director of windows phone 7 confirmed tethering support will be supported via update, but not at launch...Hope this help....
http://www.wmexperts.com/director-windows-phone-7-confirms-tethering-support
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Update: Apparently, Mr. Watson misspoke. According to Paul Thurrot (who was also on the Windows Weekly Podcast), tethering will not be available at launch, but will be a feature added in the future. Thanks monomer!
But ...
http://www.windows7phoneforums.com/news/wp7_tethering_update_12.0.html
Is there any real official solution/status on tethering?
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Update: Apparently, Mr. Watson misspoke. According to Paul Thurrot (who was also on the Windows Weekly Podcast), tethering will not be available at launch, but will be a feature added in the future. Thanks monomer!
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Well I have faith in our community of developers. If MS don't make it so people can tether, eventually one of us will.
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Function : Provide gaming hub for Windows Phone.
Pros : Many of the features of XBox Live on the 360 are here such as text messaging amongst live subscribers, avatar customization, achievements, and leader boards.
Cons : Well to put it bluntly it's a little bit of a tease. Voice messages and voice chat are clearly absent though well within the capabilities of the phones. The avatar marketplace is a no show. True multi player gaming is pretty much non existence here. No access to videos and additional content available on the 360. No support for themes. No option to choose placement of apps outside of the hub.
Recommendation : You really don't have a choice here. If you want to game on a Windows Phone or even use certain applications that are even mildly related to gaming you will end up dealing with this hub. It's a severely crippled version of the Xbox Live you've come to know and love on the XBox. The glaring lack of functionality to include the lack of multi player titles and social tools inside of the games themselves are pretty unforgivable considering appearances of such features in games on other platforms. In the end I can't say I'm not left simply disappointed at this take on the Xbox Live brand.
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As posted on L337Ware
Function : Provide gaming hub for Windows Phone.
Pros : Many of the features of XBox Live on the 360 are here such as text messaging amongst live subscribers, avatar customization, achievements, and leader boards.
Cons : Well to put it bluntly it's a little bit of a tease. Voice messages and voice chat are clearly absent though well within the capabilities of the phones. The avatar marketplace is a no show. True multi player gaming is pretty much non existence here. No access to videos and additional content available on the 360. No support for themes. No option to choose placement of apps outside of the hub.
Recommendation : You really don't have a choice here. If you want to game on a Windows Phone or even use certain applications that are even mildly related to gaming you will end up dealing with this hub. It's a severely crippled version of the Xbox Live you've come to know and love on the XBox. The glaring lack of functionality to include the lack of multi player titles and social tools inside of the games themselves are pretty unforgivable considering appearances of such features in games on other platforms. In the end I can't say I'm not left simply disappointed at this take on the Xbox Live brand.
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Maybe I got you wrong, but just tap and hold any icon in the games hub will bring up the menu where you can choose to pin it to the homescreen.
Did you just buy your phone? Because we've all been saying that for 6 months now and there are threads about it. Unless you just need traffic...
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I've been playing Game Chest: Logic Games Chess against my wife over XBox live for months now. I play my moves on my WP7 and she plays on XBox.com in a browser-based copy of the game.
Isn't that multiplayer XBox-Live? Or am I missing something?
Actually, voice messaging/chat isn't well within the capabilities of the phone. Until Mango is released all network traffic is done thru HTTP which adds way too much lag to use for live voice chatting. Messaging would work, but why re-invent the wheel when full socket support is coming later this year?
The lack of true multiplayer gaming is due to the same reason - http just isn't a viable alternative to raw sockets. The best you can really do at the moment is turn-based games, and they do exist.
Adding content to the home screen is, as someone else already pointed out, as easy as long pressing the title and selecting pin to start.
This is one area where I can truly appreciate peoples comments about this being v1 of a new OS - no other mobile platform has done this already and what's already on WP is pretty damn good considering the current platform limitations.
Remember, all we've seen of Mango at Mix 11 was the developer-centric stuff. MS have yet to announce all the consumer-centric goodies and I bet XBox-live multiplayer realtime will be a part of that.
I'd really like to see a multiplayer Halo game on WP7, controlled by a bluetooth XBox-controller.
The HD7's kickstand would enable use of that while the phone is stood on a table (e.g. when on the train)
How cool?
Jim Coleman said:
I've been playing Game Chest: Logic Games Chess against my wife over XBox live for months now. I play my moves on my WP7 and she plays on XBox.com in a browser-based copy of the game.
Isn't that multiplayer XBox-Live? Or am I missing something?
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It is called turn based not multiplayer
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It is called turn based not multiplayer
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Or more accurately "turn based multiplayer" you still have more than one player which makes it multi, even if that isn't quite what you wanted in multiplayer.
Can I just point out that the "hub" isn't the "Xbox Live" hub it's actually called the "Games" hub.
I also want to say that while I tend to agree that it is vital to the success and pricing of Live titles to incorporate more features, I whole heartedly believe that they are coming sooner than later. People continuously call me a fan boy, but I'm more of a realist in the case of this OS, and realize that Rome wasn't built in a day. I see the effort, and if you don't, you're blind. And I see the potential. So much has been said about the lack of updates, and "oh, I'm God, so I demand updates on my schedule in small packets or I'm going to Android" that nobody has realized the reality here. Features, like the ones discussed here, are going to be so tightly integrated it's going to be amazing. Just watching MIX, you see WHY they haven't released small updates yet, and I've said this in other threads. One feature links in 13 different areas, it's all integrated. So we see this with the socket support, and multitasking, and the ability to control background processes... When these are released, I think we are going to see a wave, and I mean WAVE, of new applications which will completely revolutionalize WP...
^ maybe you're right. However, if and when Microsoft introduces true multiplayer gaming in 2012 or later. It will more than likely be for Windows Phone vs Windows Phone only.
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^ maybe you're right. However, if and when Microsoft introduces true multiplayer gaming in 2012 or later. It will more than likely be for Windows Phone vs Windows Phone only.
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I disagree, I see no reason why someone on an XBox shouldn't be able to play against someone on a WP7 in realtime. This is going to be killer, MS will not miss this opportunity to outdo iPhone (for which there is no equivalent games console) and Android (closest thing is Xperia Play which is a bit poo).
I don't see any logic in your prediction.
^ maybe you're right. However, if and when Microsoft introduces true multiplayer gaming in 2012 or later. It will more than likely be for Windows Phone vs Windows Phone only.
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I disagree, I see no reason why someone on an XBox shouldn't be able to play against someone on a WP7 in realtime. This is going to be killer, MS will not miss this opportunity to outdo iPhone (for which there is no equivalent games console) and Android (closest thing is Xperia Play which is a bit poo).<br />
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I don't see any logic in your prediction.
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Yeah they WP with Kinnect. However my point is in the mobile world. WP vs iPhone or WP vs Android, as we already have iPhone vs Android games(they're awesome).
Since the Xbox Live brand is involved I'm sure the chances of WP vs anything not Microsoft related are slim to none.
If you haven't noticed 360 users haven't been running in droves to purchase these phones. The average 360 user isn't of contracting age.
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Yeah they WP with Kinnect. However my point is in the mobile world. WP vs iPhone or WP vs Android, as we already have iPhone vs Android games(they're awesome).
Since the Xbox Live brand is involved I'm sure the chances of WP vs anything not Microsoft related are slim to none.
If you haven't noticed 360 users haven't been running in droves to purchase these phones. The average 360 user isn't of contracting age.
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I have to disagree there, especially considering that playing online on a 360 console actually costs money, and usually requires you be an adult... I have no idea where this misconception comes from that all Live players are kids, or even that half of them are... I'm assuming from people who have never played a day online.
I also don't see this phone as just "Live" services, there are other games that will go cross-platform... Has Apple developed a game that interacted with Android users? How about Google with iPhone? All the games are third party, aren't they? The Live games will interact with other Live games, obviously, I don't see why there would be any surprise or negative feedback there... But I do see third-party, real time multiplayer coming sooner than 2012, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of them get released once Mango goes live, as they would have been developing for a few months by then.
I don't get why people are so negative about things, as it is now, developers have pushed the available apis to their limits, why would that suddenly stop with a larger user base and greater access? I expect these sorts of post from certain biased users, but not users that appear to have brains most of the time.
I would also take the time here to note that if Google, or any other random developer, released a brand new desktop OS at this moment, version 1.0, would the same retards in this forum who are so Anti-Microsoft/Pro-Google be quick to say "this is trash because it doesn't live up to Windows 7 of today" or would they be hypocrites and label it a first release and state it has more features than Windows 95 did? Because I guarantee you it would be the latter, as we saw when Android was released in its G1 form far behind iOS.
Version 1 where is it? Please show me version 1. Get over it, this is a continuation.
I'm not being negative, just realistic.
How much do you want to bet Microsoft wont allow third party multiplayer games? They will have to go through Xbox LIVE.
Xbox LIVE users are different than the average 360 user/owner. Matter of fact I haven't met a person on Xbox LIVE who knows what WP7 is. Get on there and ask people yourself.
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Version 1 where is it? Please show me version 1. Get over it, this is a continuation.
I'm not being negative, just realistic.
How much do you want to bet Microsoft wont allow third party multiplayer games? They will have to go through Xbox LIVE.
Xbox LIVE users are different than the average 360 user/owner. Matter of fact I haven't met a person on Xbox LIVE who knows what WP7 is. Get on there and ask people yourself.
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I wasn't specifically talking about you, but this isn't a continuation, nowhere near it, and as long as you guys continue to paint it as one, you'll have ignorant, biased opinions...
And you're making assumptions, they allow games like AlphaJax right now to utilize what they can, I don't see why they wouldn't in the future. You guys create these scenarios where a lot of users come, think you know what you're talking about, and believe this bs... I can't keep track of how many people said that most of the features announced for Mango would take 2 years to implement...
A lot of people had no idea what Android was until Verizon joined the party, and even still, 8 out of 10 people will call any Android phone a Droid, and tell you that their Droid Does... Expecting overnight success isn't realistic, and neither is making assumptions when you have no idea what you're talking about, or have any type of track record to go off of...
I also only brought up 360 because you made the point of the user age... I don't see many people buying it just because of that from a platform standpoint because this isn't called "Xbox Live Phone" it's called Windows phone... I know a crap load of Live players who own Macs...
By the end of this year, I think we'll be looking at these devices entirely different. Both from a gaming standpoint and functional standpoint. Though, the phone is more than functional 99% of the time for me.
What number comes after 6?
I'm ignorant though.
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How much do you want to bet Microsoft wont allow third party multiplayer games? They will have to go through Xbox LIVE.
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Why would they not allow it? They allow you to make them today and will obviously continue to do so once there is raw socket support. They are however rolling out more support for indie developers to gain access to XBL as well, so I wouldn't be surprised to see more and more of the great games we have today become XBL games with achievements and whatnot - this does command a minimum price of $2.99 however.
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Xbox LIVE users are different than the average 360 user/owner. Matter of fact I haven't met a person on Xbox LIVE who knows what WP7 is. Get on there and ask people yourself.
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Really? Don't know who you've been speaking to, but everyone I've gamed with knows very well what it is. Hell, you must be a real ignorant bastard not to know it considering they've been showing loads of WP commercials on the 360 dashboard since launch.
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Oh and come on, WP7 is obviously a v1. Sure, it's built ontop of the same old WinCE kernel (well, an updated one) but it has absolutely nothing in common with the previous Windows Mobile versions. You couldn't even take a native WM6 app and run it on WP7 without heavy modification - and that's not just because of the locked down nature of WP.
Well done guys, insults are the way to go. I wonder more and more how old people on this forum are.
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What number comes after 6?
I'm ignorant though.
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WP7 is version 1.
Ok, so I know a lot of people have been wow'ed by Siri for the iPhone 4s, but what about what Microsoft started with Xbox Kinect, I know that technology can be improved upon to incorporate some form advanced AI that does more than just motion detection and a few voice commands for the xbox.
Imagine if the kinect was integrated into WP7.5 for voice recognition to actualize operations on the phone.
Then we would see competition. I think Kinect has more potential than what Siri is offering right now.
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Ok, so I know a lot of people have been wow'ed by Siri for the iPhone 4s, but what about what Microsoft started with Xbox Kinect, I know that technology can be improved upon to incorporate some form advanced AI that does more than just motion detection and a few voice commands for the xbox.
Imagine if the kinect was integrated into WP7.5 for voice recognition to actualize operations on the phone.
Then we would see competition. I think Kinect has more potential than what Siri is offering right now.
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The technology that powers the voice control behind Kinect and WP7 is called TellMe (http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/tellme/)
Here is a video they showed for the future of TellMe that looks as good as (or better) than Siri: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-3XWl4srng
Comparing apples and hand-grenades.
You really have to be a fanboy to make a comparison here. With Kinect you have to use registered words like "Xbox Play Game" whereas you just talk to Siri. Can we end the thread here please?
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You really have to be a fanboy to make a comparison here. With Kinect you have to use registered words like "Xbox Play Game" whereas you just talk to Siri. Can we end the thread here please?
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Nah, he just didn't understand the different products. He's right
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Here is a video they showed for the future of TellMe that looks as good as (or better) than Siri: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-3XWl4srng
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Just to keep things in perspective, taken directly from the description of that video:
Please note this video depicts a vision and does *not* make any product-specific commitments.
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So, it may be one possible future implementation of TellMe, or it may never happen at all.
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You really have to be a fanboy to make a comparison here. With Kinect you have to use registered words like "Xbox Play Game" whereas you just talk to Siri. Can we end the thread here please?
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Never knew about Microsoft TellMe, it is definitely something that would compare to Siri.
Peew, are you indirectly saying that there would never be a competition with what siri is offering right now? This thread is mainly to see what WP7 can come up with that would contend with Siri, cuz obviously thats some technology that would cause some waves (if any) for iPhone 4s.
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You really have to be a fanboy to make a comparison here. With Kinect you have to use registered words like "Xbox Play Game" whereas you just talk to Siri. Can we end the thread here please?
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I don't really think that's an accurate reflection of the state of Microsoft's tech when it comes to voice and visual recognition. They were showing natural language usage while interacting with an AI in tech demos for Kinect back in 2009, when it was still called Project Natal:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2g_U02Pz0P4
Just because they don't use it much in the current released XBox interface (which already has a replacement in beta testing) doesn't mean the system is incapable of it. I'd be willing to bet that they have some working models with the in-house TellMe systems that could challenge what Siri does with natural language processing.
Thank you!
See this review for WP7.5 speech recognition:
http://youtu.be/YmsSk4bYNao
You can use it not only with built-in commands, there is also natural language recognition, which can be used e.g. for texting.
I always liked MS voice command. **** was awesome.
WP7.5 Mango incorporates most of what Siri offers.
I'm not sure if Siri is integrated in iOS5 in the same way MS integrates it into Mango.
I don't think you've seen the Siri demo to say something like that.
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That whole project natal conference was more at a concept stage than anything, a lot of what was shown can't actually be done. Now I'm not saying Microsoft can't come up with something new but you can't go and compare Kinect and Siri.
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I don't really think that's an accurate reflection of the state of Microsoft's tech when it comes to voice and visual recognition. They were showing natural language usage while interacting with an AI in tech demos for Kinect back in 2009, when it was still called Project Natal:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2g_U02Pz0P4
Just because they don't use it much in the current released XBox interface (which already has a replacement in beta testing) doesn't mean the system is incapable of it. I'd be willing to bet that they have some working models with the in-house TellMe systems that could challenge what Siri does with natural language processing.
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I don't think you've seen the Siri demo to say something like that.
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ya, i was scratching my head after his comment too. no comparison.
While I agree that Siri does look very impressive, it too was just a demo, albeit a demo of a final product. But I will reserve my final judgment of Siri vs Mango Voice vs Kinect until the iPhone 4s is in the hands of consumers and we can see some real world comparisons.
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You can use it not only with built-in commands, there is also natural language recognition, which can be used e.g. for texting.
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There's no natural language recognition on WP7; it's just voice commands with extra options that can be tacked on at the end, same as the ones on Android.
Siri is an order of magnitude more complex, as this (admittedly extremely fan-boyish!) article explains:
http://applenewsdaily.posterous.com/whats-so-great-about-siri
the only difference between siri and tellme is that siri actually exists and works. No offence to MS but they've never made a successful voice command interface. Even WP7's simple commands will only work if I mimic an american accent. I think MS's problem is that they don't think internationally, nearly all the good features of Zune are limited to teh US and canada, that's just not the way to grow in any international market!
So you have seen someone using Siri in the real world with an English accent?
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Nah, he just didn't understand the different products. He's right
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I think the most laughable thing about this comparison is that one is just built into the product, the other requires a $249+ game system+ addon (depending on SKU you get for the XB360).
Found it interesting that Microsoft just released an Xbox Live app for iOS users that does almost the exact same thing that our Xbox hub does. Is it me or did Microsoft just take away one of the coolest reasons to own a WP7?
Yes I know that you can't earn Xbox achievements on the iOS app, but one of the main things I loved about having the hub on my phone was to see who was online to play, something that made all my Iphone friends jealous.
Would love to hear feedback!
http://microsoft-news.com/microsoft-releases-xbox-live-app-for-ios-users/
Yes i feel the same way, I think Microsoft lost points on this one but i guess it was bound to happen. +1 for iOS
So what are the remaining reasons to buy a WP7? Office, and thats rumoured to be coming to ios. So then with a deficit in apps, mindshare, marketshare, what would be the reason to buy a WP7 device?
What a stupid, stupid, move and when WP7 dies, no one at MS should cry. (Probably all still be on their iphones, anyway).
The integration between Windows Phone and Xbox Live isn't good enough be that much of a selling point at the moment. The parts that are, games that add achievements and what not, aren't available on iOS.
You guys are complaining about something that offers the functionality that the xbox live website offers, who cares? You that mad that somebody can edit an Avatar? Read their Xbox Live Messages?
Let's complain when iOS gamers are playing games with people on Xbox Live.
PG2G said:
Let's complain when iOS gamers are playing games with people on Xbox Live.
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Microsoft being a software company I wouldn't be surprised to see them do that. That's where the customers are.
I think it's damaging to Windows Phone perception wise, iOS has already the best games and now they have an Xbox Live app. Even if the games are not Live enabled, that's not good for perception.
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Microsoft being a software company I wouldn't be surprised to see them do that. That's where the customers are.
I think it's damaging to Windows Phone perception wise, iOS has already the best games and now they have an Xbox Live app. Even if the games are not Live enabled, that's not good for perception.
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Google has apps on iOS, doesn't seem to have hurt them too much.
Hell, I wouldn't mind Zune support on iOS too, haha.
Yeah Microsoft has been stupid with Zune, if they had made it multiplatform from the go they would own the streaming space now. Not sure Spotify would exist today. Typically Microsoft really.
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http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/7/2...ve-app-for-ios-puts-a-little-windows-phone-on
The Verge has an interesting interpretation of this app... expose iPhone users to metro UI.
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http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/7/2...ve-app-for-ios-puts-a-little-windows-phone-on
The Verge has an interesting interpretation of this app... expose iPhone users to metro UI.
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No it wont, just gives them one more reason to stick with their platform. Xbox Live may not have been a reason to switch to WP7, but being on ios definitely makes it easier for those users to stay on their platform.
Plus Xbox Live users are already exposed to metro through their console so that argument doesn't hold up.
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Wp7 games already suck this gives iOS 1up on us while their fames are nice along with their ability to see their Xbox live account. Who cares if they can't achieve points on such games
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They get their points in Game Center. This is just icing on the cake for them. I said the same thing about them releasing Windows Live Messenger and OneNote mobile on iOS.
I'm due for a new phone soon. This will be interesting.
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I'm due a new phone since August. Been waiting for a decent Mango phone which never came. Chances are I'll keep my Omnia 7 on the side, upgrade to a Galaxy Nexus and buy an iPad. I'll give it until CES then decide but it seems to me Microsoft is treating iOS better than WP at the moment.
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Thread is silly. This has been possible with apps on IOS and Android for years. Microsoft just made a official version for IOS.
boohoo they're trying to get more users. You have to understand MS is a Software company first.
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Thread is silly. This has been possible with apps on IOS and Android for years. Microsoft just made a official version for IOS.
boohoo they're trying to get more users. You have to understand MS is a Software company first.
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And what would have happened if Blackberry made an official BBM app for Apple years ago? Or if Apple had released Siri for Android too? The only difference is WP7 is too new to lose exclusive features, minor or major. 3rd party apps don't count.
uh, this has never been a exclusive feature. As stated apps have been available for years, get over it. Office, Zune are exclusive.
Software company wants more people to use it's software. Wow, who would've known.
Who didn't see this coming. Ignorance is bliss, I see.
Microsoft released WLM for iOS and made WP7 users wait a year for it while demanding developers like IM+ rip out the WLM functionality months before many users even got Mango.
They also released OneNote, which is literally the only part of Office Mobile that is better than iWorks and third party Android Office Alternatives like DTG, ThinkFree, and QuickOffice.
Then the Bing app with Vision and all that other stuff, and even updates it for other platforms when we have to wait for complete firmware updates to go from MS to OEM to Carrier to us for an update on that stuff.
Still waiting on PhotoSynth for WP7... It's on iOS, though...
Really... Why the suprised looks?
Microsoft is internally fragmented. The different devisions don't work together as well as those in Google and Apple. Google would never release a Maps app on par with the Android version for another platform, but Microsoft has no issues releasing OneNote Mobile, WLM, PhotoSynth, and ridiculously good Bing apps for other platforms. They have pretty much always done this.
The Windows Phone Team does not control what the XBox, Windows Live, and Office Teams do; and the management at Microsoft does not force them to give priority support to their own platforms, either, from the looks of it (looking back years even to Windows Mobile days).
www.xbox.com does the same thing, who cares.
And you can control your xbox with the controller. Who cares about that app?
Right?
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Google releases great apps for non-Android devices and they're praised for supporting other companies and are making an attempt to take over the world through superior support and innovation.
Microsoft does it and they're the worst company in the world abandoning their operating system and are heavily fragmented.
Our app still does much more than the iOS app. Would a thread in this tone be created in the Android section if Google released a full-featured Google+ app for Windows Phone? Probably not.
Looks like a ripp off to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qs8bEAjXz78
Looks like a combination rip off of android and then Windows 8's metro
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Ok, besides the person holding the camera, and the woman who looked lost, was there anyone else in the room?
Think they have android/iOS iconny approach followed by tile-like lists? Does this mean the rumours of RIM adapting WP platform might be true?
Lol those guys look so harried. They know their company is bleeding to death.
Metro UI is patented to Microsoft. BBM wants to run into troubles?
Damn!! Shameless ripoff of Android and Metro UI. If Blackberry is so much in love with Metro UI, why doesn't it adopt Windows Phone?
Looked more like Android to me.
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Ok, besides the person holding the camera, and the woman who looked lost, was there anyone else in the room?
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LOL. at your comment.
rim could be soo lucky to have Microsoft buy them , I can see see some high end rim-nokia phones coming!
Microsoft +RIM sounds like a good idea
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Looks like a bastard love child between Android and Windows phone
MS could buy RIM, infact it might not be a bad idea at all, sack half their staff, especially its marketing and directors, and use RIMs "business" end market share to make a Windows Phone Pro
Course MS could do this by its self, but whilst BlackBerry has shafted its self for jo public its business users are still out there in decent numbers and already have an association with the Blackberry brand, only now it may look like a Blackberry but runs WP7 pro......
Wait a minute. Where are these "tiles" that rip off WP? I own a Playbook and a WP, the OS's are not similar. If anything, their new QNX OS rips off WebOS cards UI. In that video, only the homescreen was the OS. THe other 2 screens were "Cascades" App demos, which is their NDK UI Engine. BBX/BB 10 does not look like WP.
So what exact part of that clip is the "tile ripoff"?
Those buyout and "RIM is dying" comments are kind of funny. MS would LOVE RIM's marketshare, especially in the corporate market.
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Wait a minute. Where are these "tiles" that rip off WP? I own a Playbook and a WP, the OS's are not similar. If anything, their new QNX OS rips off WebOS cards UI. In that video, only the homescreen was the OS. THe other 2 screens were "Cascades" App demos, which is their NDK UI Engine. BBX/BB 10 does not look like WP.
So what exact part of that clip is the "tile ripoff"?
Those buyout and "RIM is dying" comments are kind of funny. MS would LOVE RIM's marketshare, especially in the corporate market.
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i need to sign this one. everyone who thinks bb10 (or the playbook aka qnx os) looking like wp7 needs to wash their eyes really bad ;p
it is more of an ripp off of webos but i actually like the os (qnx... os 1 at least, not sure how i like the "improvements" with os2)
what you saw what could be seen as tilesbut only if you are despirate is in one app, in the browser i would say. that is just a visualization of tabs.
it only is missing pretty much standards apps like skype which is really said. pretty good flash vid player thow.
Saw Video.. I Don't Think Google or MS Have Anything to Worry About...
BB10 - Has to be the most fugging hideous OS I have ever seen in my life. If that were the only option for a smartphone; I'd stick with a plain old dumb Cell phone..
They need to sell this company off and bury it..
What a steaming pile...
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BB10 - Has to be the most fugging hideous OS I have ever seen in my life. If that were the only option for a smartphone; I'd stick with a plain old dumb Cell phone..
They need to sell this company off and bury it..
What a steaming pile...
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A little... intense there aren't you?
Rows of icons is what iOS does, it's what Android does, it's what the Samsung skin does. It's nothing new. I wouldn't exactly say it looks like a steaming pile.
Windows 7 Phone was voted the best operating system in 2011. I am not surprised that it follow