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Vanilla or WXML v0.10

Someone can tell me what are the difference between this to ROM ?
Same soft (MSN...) ? Video call ?

It's all laid out in the first post here of this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=295456

stpete111 said:
It's all laid out in the first post here of this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=295456
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Yes for WXML but for vanilla ?

WMXL for sure... It has the regular Vanilla ROM plus some extras! And they both seem just as quick and stable as the other to me.

I'm a Vanilla lover I'm afraid.
I always manage to get rid of a few unnecessary files/folders etc that are present even in the Vanilla releases, which gives me even more "ROM space" to cook my own ROM with as many of my own software choices squeezed in there as possible...

sub69 said:
I'm a Vanilla lover I'm afraid.
I always manage to get rid of a few unnecessary files/folders etc that are present even in the Vanilla releases, which gives me even more "ROM space" to cook my own ROM with as many of my own software choices squeezed in there as possible...
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Well, the removal of the Office and RDP icons in the Vanilla ROM were the deciding factor for me. Yeah, the additional software takes up a little space, but they're small and not enough for me to worry about. And since I just started customizing ROMs, I am not too concerned about a MB or two until I really need them back.

richy240 said:
Well, the removal of the Office and RDP icons in the Vanilla ROM were the deciding factor for me. Yeah, the additional software takes up a little space, but they're small and not enough for me to worry about. And since I just started customizing ROMs, I am not too concerned about a MB or two until I really need them back.
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Absolutely!
Don't get me wrong, Kypher's done a great job. The added software doesn't have any impact on available Storage space after flashing and there's no reason at all why anyone should choose the "Vanilla" ROM over the "Live" ROM...
...unless you're going to cook your own ROM, and you want to start from square one with less to strip out in the first place.
I'll probably make a load of changes and additions that Kypher has already incorporated into "Live", but I like to start with a clean slate, and having messed around with a lot of ROM's on my previous devices, I'm pretty sure that I know 90% of what I'm going to do before I even start, and assuming I'm right, space is going to be at a premium!
Happy cooking!

It also comes down to how soon you got on board .
I was one of the first to download and install the Vanilla ROM before the WXML release was announced, and for me at this point there is no point in changing (especially after just getting my software how I like it ). Remember there will be most likely several releases of WXML over the next couple of weeks, so my advice is if you're already on Vanilla there is not much reason to move to WXML .10 at the minute .

I've a tytn in Portuguese unlocked, can I install vanilla or wxml?
thnks

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It also comes down to how soon you got on board .
I was one of the first to download and install the Vanilla ROM before the WXML release was announced, and for me at this point there is no point in changing (especially after just getting my software how I like it ). Remember there will be most likely several releases of WXML over the next couple of weeks, so my advice is if you're already on Vanilla there is not much reason to move to WXML .10 at the minute .
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Me too, and I used it for a grand total of 10 hours before I downloaded WMXL 0.1. And I'm glad I did. I like the software packaged with it, and I like the restored Office and RDP icons. I'll probably stick with this one for a while, but I am glad I went to WMXL from the Vanilla ROM.
guilherme said:
I've a tytn in Portuguese unlocked, can I install vanilla or wxml?
thnks
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How about both?!? You like that, don't you? Yeah baby...

hmm that's great, and if I want to get back, that's possible?
thanks for the reply

Deck vs Vaelpak GB ROMs

I have seen a number of threads comparing and analyzing the different ROMs. I have extensively used two of the leading contenders for "best GB ROM" - Deck's GB ROM (1.2 stable released yesterday) and Vaelpak 0.2.1 (released a few days ago). Here is a list of pros and cons that I noticed - I may have missed some so please jump in and add to the list in this thread. Maybe we can put together a comprehensive list of differences (knowing, of course, that it is always a moving target).
Please note that I ran both ROMs with Tiamat 4.0.5-sbc kernel. Results may be different with different kernels.
Also, by no means am I saying that these are the best ROMs out there. These are just the two that I have extensively used and can therefore compare/contrast first hand.
So here goes ...
Deck's GB ROM v1.2
1. Minimalist and lightweight ROM - default Android Launcher.
2. Minimalist themes, no special wallpapers, fonts, icons, etc.
3. GPS works out of the box (was a problem with earlier versions of the ROM).
4. Wifi, BT and 4G work without issues, except ...
5. Wireless tethering works, but sometimes stops playing well with 4G. i.e. you will be tethered, and even with 4G on you will be getting 3G speeds. This is not consistent behavior - sometimes tethering works great with 4G.
6. I have not experienced any wakelock issues.
7. About 10% more battery life with Tiamat kernal than Vaelpak.
8. ROM is very stable - very few app FCs, practically no reboots.
9. Netflix works.
Vaelpak 0.2.1
1. Comes packaged with Go Launcher.
2. More inbuilt themes, wallpapers, fonts, widgets.
3. GPS, Wifi, BT, 4G and tethering work without any issues.
4. Less stable than Deck's ROM (Note - the developer does explicitly state that this is a work-in-progress, so things should improve on this front). There are some random reboots, wakelock issues.
5. Comes packaged with CPU profiles and undervolting scripts. You can underclock/overclock and undervolt without SetCPU or vipermod scripts. A big plus. (Note - it is possible to do all of this on Deck's ROM, just needs a few additional steps by the user).
6. Comes packaged with DT apps2sd. Again, a big convenience removing the need to do this manually.
7. Packaged email app does not support "Select All". Had to point this out since it is a rather big negative for me. (Note - this is in the dev's list of planned enhancements).
8. No packaged FM radio app.
9. Netflix works.
So in essence, as of today the Deck ROM is more stable and "safer", but Vaelpak has enough packed in features to make it quite formidable.

Default launcher in Decks is ADW (free), I believe.

Prugor said:
Default launcher in Decks is ADW (free), I believe.
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The default launcher in Decks is Launcher 2.
I tried out Vaelpack preview last week and it was really nice but lacks a few things i enjoy. Deck as striped the rom to the point that you have to install a lot more then desired. Both are great roms hand down. I'm just going to wait for VP to get a more stable beta going and once he adds the theme chooser i might just jump ship

i would have to say deck because he updates his thread alot and always adds new things.
im not 100% on this but when was the last time Vaelek put out a new rom or updates his previous work?

Joey_UFC said:
i would have to say deck because he updates his thread alot and always adds new things.
im not 100% on this but when was the last time Vaelek put out a new rom or updates his previous work?
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Actually Vaelek's GB ROM (Vaelpak4 v0.2) was released on May 31, and v0.2.1 was released June 20. He is also very active on his forum, and maintains a public list of items/fixes that he is currently working on. Very informative, and will give you a great picture of what is coming soon.

Having not used either, but being familiar with both Dev's ROMs, I can say right now Decks, because it's been out longer and had more testing, etc.
I didn't know Vaelpak was putting a GB ROM together, but I promise you, when he get's it finalized, it will be amazing.
His Senseless ROM was a daily driver for me for a long time. Every detail gets paid attention to in his ROMs.

peterpunn said:
Actually Vaelek's GB ROM (Vaelpak4 v0.2) was released on May 31, and v0.2.1 was released June 20. He is also very active on his forum, and maintains a public list of items/fixes that he is currently working on. Very informative, and will give you a great picture of what is coming soon.
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on XDA?
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HipKat said:
Having not used either, but being familiar with both Dev's ROMs, I can say right now Decks, because it's been out longer and had more testing, etc.
I didn't know Vaelpak was putting a GB ROM together, but I promise you, when he get's it finalized, it will be amazing.
His Senseless ROM was a daily driver for me for a long time. Every detail gets paid attention to in his ROMs.
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i would have to agree with this but i was more of a KushDeck user for a long time lol
I tried 1 of Vaeleks roms and i can't think of any issues but it was a long time ago.

Joey_UFC said:
on XDA?
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http://vaelek.com/index.php?/forum/47-vaelpak-gingerbread-aosp/

peterpunn said:
http://vaelek.com/index.php?/forum/47-vaelpak-gingerbread-aosp/
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thats why i haven't seen it. he is no longer posting on xda

VP hands down

many vpgb .2.1 preview (not even beta yet) users like myself, who read and ask for solutions find them simply and as a result find this current version of the preview to be very stable and very quick, plus it looks great. i can't wait til it actually hits the beta stage because right now it is more final than a lot of final roms i've used.
ropodope

Vaelpak! Any arguments that the developer hasn't updated or anything like that are mostly incorrect. He just hasn't updated anything on XDA, because he's not on XDA anymore. He runs his own site and his own forum, and he's very active there.
Heck, try them both for a few days and see which YOU like best. They're free.

you didn't? any look at his official forum would have told you this some time ago. come on over, get involved. http://www.vaelek.com
ropodope

SilverZero said:
Vaelpak! Any arguments that the developer hasn't updated or anything like that are mostly incorrect. He just hasn't updated anything on XDA, because he's not on XDA anymore. He runs his own site and his own forum, and he's very active there.
Heck, try them both for a few days and see which YOU like best. They're free.
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yeah i didn't know that. because xda has a community of 4 million people. virus and other devs have their own sites but still post on here. so i thought if your not on xda then your not doing work anymore lol obviously i was wrong.
i will try out Vaelek new work when i get the chance. im loving the alliance rom right now

ropodope said:
you didn't? any look at his official forum would have told you this some time ago. come on over, get involved. http://www.vaelek.com
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but will i get infected

I used Deck's for a while and later switched to Vaelpak's. I like Vaelpak's much more because of its features and community. Even though it's in its preview stage, it is VERY stable. The community is so responsive and helpful. Another thing is that Deck finished his ROM, Vaelpak started just like 2 months ago and already has a beast of a ROM.

Just to chime in here...
XDA does have a massive user base yes. But with that, comes a massive idiot base, over-inflated egos, and too many people that can't be bothered to read an OP in its entirety.. I do come back to post here when there is something worth posting about. The users at my forum are MUCH more well mannered and helpful overall. If you want to be told to search, RTFM, stop being a noob, read through 300 pages to find the answer, then XDA is the place to be. The main reason there is no post for my GB preview here is because as of right now there is no public source available and I don't need the XDA police breathing down my neck or editing my posts because of it.
On another note, thanks for the props to those that have been giving them to my preview

VP is the best. Jim you are the best in my book

vaelek said:
Just to chime in here...
XDA does have a massive user base yes. But with that, comes a massive idiot base, over-inflated egos, and too many people that can't be bothered to read an OP in its entirety.. I do come back to post here when there is something worth posting about. The users at my forum are MUCH more well mannered and helpful overall. If you want to be told to search, RTFM, stop being a noob, read through 300 pages to find the answer, then XDA is the place to be. The main reason there is no post for my GB preview here is because as of right now there is no public source available and I don't need the XDA police breathing down my neck or editing my posts because of it.
On another note, thanks for the props to those that have been giving them to my preview
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THIS
Head over to Vaelek's forums if there was doubt in if his work is supported and ongoing. Extremely responsive on his forums, you would be hard pressed to find any lengthy span of days where Vaelek hasn't answered questions or posted fixes to issues brought up in the forums on his site. The guy is machine constantly helping out his user base.
Now for the roms, I actually originally suggested to vaelek using Decks rom as base for his work (but there is no public source). Decks rom is great but the added features and amazing dev support is what keeps me going back to Vaelpak roms.

Stock vs. Custom

Hello guys !
Im a newbie and i have a question. Which is more secure and stable ? A Custom Rom or Stock Rom ?
Which do you use an recommend, Stock or Custom Rom ? Its not a question about which Custom Rom ;-)
If there is already a similar Thread, i apologize...
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--GNex-- said:
Hello guys !
Im a newbie and i have a question. Which is more secure and stable ? A Custom Rom or Stock Rom ?
Which do you use an recommend, Stock or Custom Rom ? Its not a question about which Custom Rom ;-)
If there is already a similar Thread, i apologize...
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The stock rom is probably what you want to stay on for stability. if you want really cool customization and tweaks go with a custom rom, but remember if you are on a custom rom you cant take OTA updates from google.

I know that, but I think also about, is it really possible, that maybe 10 people can make a better Rom? Google has many employees which working on this for long time. Sorry my english isnt perfect, I hope you understand what I mean.
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I know that, but I think also about, is it really possible, that maybe 10 people can make a better Rom? Google has many employees which working on this for long time. Sorry my english isnt perfect, I hope you understand what I mean.
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You have to remember that the majority of people probably dont want a phone which they can customise in any which way that they want. Google need to cater for the masses and create an OS that is at least relatively simple.
Individuals on forums such as these however, feel differently and love the chance for customization. The developers working on after market ROMS create those options and customizations for people that really want them. And their ROMS are based on the source code provided by Google and their many employees - so nothing is lost in that sense.
This is what I think any way!

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I know that, but I think also about, is it really possible, that maybe 10 people can make a better Rom? Google has many employees which working on this for long time. Sorry my english isnt perfect, I hope you understand what I mean.
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Are they all "better"? No. Do they offer more features/customization? Yes. Do these features/customization often break something that already works? Yes.

--GNex-- said:
I know that, but I think also about, is it really possible, that maybe 10 people can make a better Rom? Google has many employees which working on this for long time. Sorry my english isnt perfect, I hope you understand what I mean.
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Sometimes it's only one "dev" kanging code.
Regardless, we have some VERY talented devs here. And it's not like they are creating android from scratch, they are using the code that Google has open sourced, so all of the custom roms are essentially STOCK + unique features not part of AOSP. This also makes them not as stable as stock android, pick your poison

That was a good answer !
Thats where is my point, di
oes it really make sense...all time Full-Wipe...backup..flash gapps...then something doesnt work..
but on the other side it looks awesome ! Its just, what do they really change ? Is it stil safe for me as user ?
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I think custom roms can often be more stable because bugs are constantly found and fixed on a daily basis. A stock rom may have a bug but will take months for the next update from google.
Also custom roms are just stock roms with additions, so its the same code base anyway.

its mostly about the tweaks that Google didn't put in .. all roms are the same to me since they all base off 4.0.x unless someone builds a sense or Touchwiz rom.
The only thing that makes roms different is the feature list and kernel
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda premium

--GNex-- said:
That was a good answer !
Thats where is my point, di
oes it really make sense...all time Full-Wipe...backup..flash gapps...then something doesnt work..
but on the other side it looks awesome ! Its just, what do they really change ? Is it stil safe for me as user ?
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It's all very easy once you do it a few times. Customization is awesome. Like the full screen mod getting rid of the softkeys so anything that your doing (game, videos, etc) that keeps the softkeys there, will now be full screen without the softkeys. Just little things like that plus much more than make custom roms better than stock.

RogerPodacter said:
I think custom roms can often be more stable because bugs are constantly found and fixed on a daily basis. A stock rom may have a bug but will take months for the next update from google.
Also custom roms are just stock roms with additions, so its the same code base anyway.
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Bugs are constantly found for custom ROMs because they've not been tested so much compared to stock before they are being released. (Not saying that stock is bug free but each official version has gone through aggressive testing)
If stability and security are your top concerns then stay stock - this is a no-brainer. Custom ROMs are for people who are more adventurous and want to have more fun with their phones.

So there are more people on Stock or on Custom Roms ? I heard that many people say its a "developer phone", but on the other Hand people say they bought it because they dont want to flash anymore C-Roms.
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Many people want different things, that's why there are custom roms
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So there are more people on Stock or on Custom Roms ? I heard that many people say its a "developer phone", but on the other Hand people say they bought it because they dont want to flash anymore C-Roms.
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Of course there are way more people on stock than rom flashers. People like my mom got the phone to use it, not to flash ROMs.
When people said 'it's a developer phone', it doesn't mean the phone is not suitable for daily use or only developers know how to use it. On the contrary, it's a phone that showcases how the latest OS SHOULD look and feel like. It serves as a reference point to how developers should design their apps.

Good answer !
I read a lot of problems like massive battery drain or FCs etc. etc. also I read about speed improvements and great battery life. I can change already a lot of things with a different Launcher.
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--GNex-- said:
Good answer !
I read a lot of problems like massive battery drain or FCs etc. etc. also I read about speed improvements and great battery life. I can change already a lot of things with a different Launcher.
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The thing with all product discussion forums is, people will only post/seeking help if they ran into problems. (Will you go to a Samsung forum and start a thread with 'my TV/camera is working as intended?' ) So these forums are always filled with error reports/complaints. Sometimes it's hard to see if it's really error by design or just the unlucky few with defective devices.
XDA makes it even more complicated because this is a modding community. Half of the complaints are probably just human errors - bad flash, wrong radio, incompatible apps the list goes on...
Long answer short, you DON'T have to mod your phone to reap all its benefits. You are not missing out things if you don't want to customize it.

I completly agree, thats why I also started this thread. I was talking with some people about it. Its nice to customize, but do i need these small things with the possibility to get issues
Are you on Stock ?
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Brother man its all about what you want and love. I could nit would not run stock. I have way more fun with custom roms. But to each there own. I must say, I would never have my mother run a custom from. First I would be her tech support, next its not what she needs. But you keep having fun with what you need / do.
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MilkPudding said:
Bugs are constantly found for custom ROMs because they've not been tested so much compared to stock before they are being released. (Not saying that stock is bug free but each official version has gone through aggressive testing)
If stability and security are your top concerns then stay stock - this is a no-brainer. Custom ROMs are for people who are more adventurous and want to have more fun with their phones.
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I was actually talking about bugs in stock. Its much quicker to fix them in custom roms since the fix will be rolled out in a few days, but we'd be waiting months to get the same fix from google in an update.
Sure new bugs from custom roms may appear too from the new additions. But its still all the stock code base anyway...

ROMs are usually the result of tweaking, prodding, removal to enhance the phone's ability to function. Some things aren't necessary, and some things can be made to cater to a specific user. Obviously, google cannot cater to individual needs, but that's why so many ROMs exist, you can found out what you like and stick to it!
That's why I switched to android from my iPhone 4s. I love messing with my phone, and android is the platform that encourages this

[Q] Hi! T-mobile GS III Question

i am a super omega ultimate noob lv. -99. i am wondering how to check on the latest status of the GSIII stable roms. i would like to know if/when CM will get the roms first or if xda gets them first. i like stable roms because i am a noob. my noobness knows no bounds. please help. i do dontate. thank you.

Right now, CM10 nightly 25 is working great
26 has exhibited a few irritating bugs but I haven't had any problems with nightly 25
Give it a run, it's phenomenal IMO

o-k said:
i am a super omega ultimate noob lv. -99. i am wondering how to check on the latest status of the GSIII stable roms. i would like to know if/when CM will get the roms first or if xda gets them first. i like stable roms because i am a noob. my noobness knows no bounds. please help. i do dontate. thank you.
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Xda is just an outlet where people choose to post roms.
To check on the latest status of roms, you need to open the threads and read the OP. You also need to spend at least ten minutes reading each thread, That will tell you how stable each rom is and what kind of results people are having.
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Is there a place for specific roms that we can see a list of all known bugs? I've been trying to check on, for example, CM10, paranoid android, and AOKP in particular and havent been able to find any bug trackers at all. Without knowing what bugs there are and what will/wont affect me, I'm too hesitant to try any of the roms and have been suffering through t-mobile's dual "update ready" and "update needed" constant un-clearable notifications. I cant even apply the stock updates because I debloated and applying the update fails because I dont have the apps that the update is attempting to update. Updating would involve doing a full factory reset back to stock and THEN updating, which means i'm probably better off simply waiting for samsung's official JB update to roll out in the first place

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Is there a place for specific roms that we can see a list of all known bugs? I've been trying to check on, for example, CM10, paranoid android, and AOKP in particular and havent been able to find any bug trackers at all. Without knowing what bugs there are and what will/wont affect me, I'm too hesitant to try any of the roms and have been suffering through t-mobile's dual "update ready" and "update needed" constant un-clearable notifications. I cant even apply the stock updates because I debloated and applying the update fails because I dont have the apps that the update is attempting to update. Updating would involve doing a full factory reset back to stock and THEN updating, which means i'm probably better off simply waiting for samsung's official JB update to roll out in the first place
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Actually that would be a great idea. It would help out the entire community.
Right now the way things exist, you pretty much have to read through an entire rom thread to determine the benefits/bugs of any given rom.
You could, for example, start a list for any particular rom.. read the entire thread, then make your own thread detailing current known bugs and post it in the same forum. Then the OP of the rom thread could post your link in the first post making it easy for everyone to find.
That would serve two purposes - you would learn the information you're seeking and also become an instantly appreciated contributor to the site.
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I'm surprised the rom developers dont already have a system in place, though. The scope of the projects are presumably gargantuan collaborative works. i kind of assumed that they must have some sort of a bug tracking thing that they use between them. That bug tracking thing is what i've been venturing to find. There are a ton of user-specific bugs that I have no problem digging through the forums and figuring out myself, but what i'd love to see with roms is a list of "this is what we know isnt working yet. dont talk to us about this. we are working on it." or at the very least, "when you flash this rom, if you would like to help, run this command and upload the output HERE so we can fix some bugs we know about".
I'm coming from a linux world and it is very disconcerting to me to flash a rom, encounter a bug/error, and not be able to look at any sort of an error message or do anything to fix the problem except reboot/wipe/reflash and hope for the best. thats a very windows-y mentality to the whole thing, and i feel like if we're running linux on the phones we should be able to get a bit more involved in fixing our own problems a bit better too.
I guess what i'm trying to say is, i'd like to help and i have no clue where to even begin. with archlinux theres a beginners guide but with these roms its more of a "watch this youtube video and follow this tutorial but god help you if anyone thinks you are complaining about what people are doing for you for FREE".
EDIT: I found CM10's issue tracker, but there isnt anything specific for the GS3 there. The flicker and picasa sync issues arent even mentioned. Obviously Paranoid Android and Kang will have the same bugs as CM10, but im assuming that they'll have their own bugs introduced after they add in their own features and such.

ok.
ingenious247 said:
Right now, CM10 nightly 25 is working great
26 has exhibited a few irritating bugs but I haven't had any problems with nightly 25
Give it a run, it's phenomenal IMO
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thanks! will it be on the CM website or here?

o-k said:
thanks! will it be on the CM website or here?
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Two things - one, if you're going to do a lot of flashing, and especially with CM10, you will want to install ROM Manager from the Google Play Store. It will make managing your updates/downloads easier
Two, there is a dedicated thread to CM10 in the "T-Mobile Galaxy S III Original Android Development" forum here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1778217
Read a lot first - before you do anything.. unless you are a very experienced user.
If you have specific questions I will be happy to help

i have a question
ingenious247 said:
Two things - one, if you're going to do a lot of flashing, and especially with CM10, you will want to install ROM Manager from the Google Play Store. It will make managing your updates/downloads easier
Two, there is a dedicated thread to CM10 in the "T-Mobile Galaxy S III Original Android Development" forum here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1778217
Read a lot first - before you do anything.. unless you are a very experienced user.
If you have specific questions I will be happy to help
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i've downloaded the CWM pro and the TB pro. i was wondering what exact ROMS i can use. There is also the difficulty of understanding which rom is exactly which. Is there a way to view the Change log? i'm a super noob. i'm really sorry.

Changelogs won't do you much good.
I recommend flashing everything through CWM (make sure you have 6.0.1.2 Touch - in my signature if not). I wouldn't use ROM Manager at all. Having automated tools is great, but learning how to do it yourself is even better. Plus, if you break something, knowning what you are doing makes it easier to fix. Automated tools hurt more than they help.
As for roms, your options pretty much are as follows:
CyanogenMod: AOSP, the closest thing we have to the stock Google firmware.
AOKP: Pretty much CyanogenMod with some extra options. Nothing extraordinary about those extra options, just some nice things like center clock, swagger toggles, and unicorns.
MIUI: iPhone look for Android.
ParanoidAndroid: Scalable - for tablets (imo).
Then you have the neverending amount of customized stock (TouchWiz) roms.
They are all under constant development. If you want "stable", stay on your stock firmware. All of the roms listed above are stable enough to use as a daily driver. They all have threads in the two Dev forums. But if you don't know what to pick, use CyanogenMod.

I still think ROM Manager is a great tool, it's how I started years ago and I still managed to learn what I needed to over time flashing manually
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[Q] Which ROM offers the following?

I've searched, trawled and read through so many threads and cannot make my mind up which way to turn (I'm so indecisive). There is so much choice (which is a good thing in some ways and not so good in others) but it's confused the hell out of me. I could flash various ROM's and kernels all the while having to restore my data each time and run it for a while to see if it is suitable for my needs. This seems to the moderators general consensus for those asking what the 'best ROM' is (Understandable). But this (having to flash ROM's and kernels each time) is tedious and there is always some element of risk that you could end up with a bad flash the more you do this.
So here I am asking. Please note I am *NOT* asking which the best overall ROM is. I understand perfectly well that there is no best ROM and each ROM has different functionality and features that are suited to different peoples needs. I am asking which ROM suits *MY* needs. If moderators decide that I am asking what is the best ROM then I guess I will have to try harder to argue my case.
I don't mind if it's GB, ICS or JB - obviously I would *LOVE* to have a JB ROM but it's still in its infancy and has certain issues simply because there is and never will be an official JB ROM for my phone (Thanks Sony!).
My current setup is a 2011 Arc S currently running JJ Hybrid 3.1 (still) and ArcKnight kernel (forget which build).
I am not overly interested in fancy GUI's, themes, extra functionality or overclocking, although it would nice to have them 'just so long as they don't impact on performance and stability'.
Things I want.
#Rooted with CWM is a given obviously
#As lag free as possible (It takes several seconds to launch Contacts at present and laggy key presses in the phone dialer annoy)
#Good battery performance
#Increased memory
#Bloatware removed
#Removal of or fixed/tweaked default apps (For some reason the default browser sucks CPU/battery dry and I have disabled it on current ROM).
#Smooth 720p video (is this even possible either in the FW or through a mod?)
#Good camera performance (Use a mod?)
#Status bar with quick toggles and notifications
#Good WIFI, 2G,3G/HSDPA performance (especially if 3G is tweaked as I get poor signal in some places)
#Bravia engine (1 or 2?)
#Correctly functioning hardware including LED's/Side LED/Buttons/Sensors (brightness, rotation etc)
#STABILITY (as little bugs as possible basically)
#Easy upgrade path between builds (not having to wipe data each time although I realize this is sometimes required)
#WIFI tethering
I don't care much for HDMI output but if it works it's a bonus. Things like USB OTG and USB mass storage would also be useful but not essential.
I think that's all of it. If moderators still feel this is a 'best ROM' thread feel free to contact me privately to cast your warnings. Hopefully though they will see this is a bit more specific than that and actually asks more pertinent questions rather than a blanket 'which ROM is best' question.
Thanks for reading

I can't comment on a rom, but for camera, most definitely Cybershot mod . Pictures look amazing

jman2131 said:
I can't comment on a rom, but for camera, most definitely Cybershot mod . Pictures look amazing
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Thanks. I will look into it. Seems it's only for ICS ROM's but if there is an ICS ROM that meets the above criteria I will check it out.

For me, right no, Atomic Gb 3.0 Xtreme Silencer is going to update it to 3.1 now, so u can flash it. It is the most complete ROM now for me, with almost everything u said in ur list
Download it here

Hi.
While this may not be a best ROM thread as you say, its just as equally annoying. You've listed what most of us want from a ROM, and as you say you've read this that and the other then its time to pick one and flash it. If you think the process of flashing custom ROMs is tedious then learn how to mod, tweak a stock ROM to your own liking then you won't need to rely on others to tell you what to flash.
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For me, right no, Atomic Gb 3.0 Xtreme Silencer is going to update it to 3.1 now, so u can flash it. It is the most complete ROM now for me, with almost everything u said in ur list
Download it here
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How is video recording and playback and the camera?

XperienceD said:
Hi.
While this may not be a best ROM thread as you say, its just as equally annoying. You've listed what most of us want from a ROM, and as you say you've read this that and the other then its time to pick one and flash it. If you think the process of flashing custom ROMs is tedious then learn how to mod, tweak a stock ROM to your own liking then you won't need to rely on others to tell you what to flash.
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deadman3000 said:
How is video recording and playback and the camera?
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Did u read that? Flash and test yourself

We can't say, what fits you, we don't know your life. You know it the best, you should find the perfect one.
XDA is not a place, where people are slaves, stop being lazy and do something yourself aswell.
Look at ROM's overviews, features, functions, read comments (if you want to know more about the ROM) etc.
Try them, put them to the test in regular usage. Then you find one. We can't say, which one is good for you.

yeah he is right!
Atomic Gb is awesome !
xtremesilencer has done some great work to make it!
ohhh wait a min!
i am xtremesilencer that was a joke
and if you want to know about a rom then go to the thread or check the feedback
dont open new new threads !!!!!

I'm on ICS because of the mobile data manager (built in, doesn't work on gb) as i have a limited data plan.
I'm right now on the xperia t rom, it is really great, the battery lasts up to two days. (3-4 hours display on, around 10h mobile data and wifi is always on).
Using the stock 587 kernel. Never had such an amazing battery life
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Whilst I understand the sentiment of 'try them for yourself' and 'you are just being lazy' and 'read the comments' etc. It takes *TIME* I don't need overclocking. I don't need all the fancy themes. I don't need a ton of tweaks other than those that meet the basic requirements I have listed.
As I said whilst there is a healthy development community on this particular device, it is hard work to find the right ROM. I have to go through the list of ROMS, kernels and mods in the thread stickied in 'General' (I noticed at least one ROM is missing from that list btw). On the whole it does not tell me a lot other than name, ROM, base (GB, ICS, JB) and then you have to spend a lot of time trying to find out all the info about the ROM by going to the ROM's thread, read about it's features, how to install it, which kernels work best with it, how to fix, patch or workaround any problems found (usually buried deeper into the thread with sometimes 'hundreds' of replies so you might not know about the patches and workarounds until you actually install it and when you ask in the thread someone says it was mentioned earlier in the thread which you now have to search through) etc etc ad nauseam.
I'm just looking for a shortlist of ROM's to try based on others opinions that meet my criteria.
I do also believe that there should be a sticky that instead of ostracizing members for asking 'which is the best ROM' as there currently is (which I know can be annoying for the moderators) instead should offer opinions and experiences. Which ROM's offer which features and how well they perform and yes, perhaps even a poll.
This would be the 'go to' thread for all those people (including myself) who are stuck for choice.
But perhaps this is too much work (I guess you could say to me I should do it then and keep it updated since I am so interested in it)...
The forum is chaotic as it is. But this is the nature of forums.

deadman3000 said:
Whilst I understand the sentiment of 'try them for yourself' and 'you are just being lazy' and 'read the comments' etc. It takes *TIME* I don't need overclocking. I don't need all the fancy themes. I don't need a ton of tweaks other than those that meet the basic requirements I have listed.
As I said whilst there is a healthy development community on this particular device, it is hard work to find the right ROM. I have to go through the list of ROMS, kernels and mods in the thread stickied in 'General' (I noticed at least one ROM is missing from that list btw). On the whole it does not tell me a lot other than name, ROM, base (GB, ICS, JB) and then you have to spend a lot of time trying to find out all the info about the ROM by going to the ROM's thread, read about it's features, how to install it, which kernels work best with it, how to fix, patch or workaround any problems found (usually buried deeper into the thread with sometimes 'hundreds' of replies so you might not know about the patches and workarounds until you actually install it and when you ask in the thread someone says it was mentioned earlier in the thread which you now have to search through) etc etc ad nauseam.
I'm just looking for a shortlist of ROM's to try based on others opinions that meet my criteria.
I do also believe that there should be a sticky that instead of ostracizing members for asking 'which is the best ROM' as there currently is (which I know can be annoying for the moderators) instead should offer opinions and experiences. Which ROM's offer which features and how well they perform and yes, perhaps even a poll.
This would be the 'go to' thread for all those people (including myself) who are stuck for choice.
But perhaps this is too much work (I guess you could say to me I should do it then and keep it updated since I am so interested in it)...
The forum is chaotic as it is. But this is the nature of forums.
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Unfortunately, that's what most people would have to go through to actually find a rom that they would stick with. Luckily I tried 1 and never moved away because it was suffice. Here's a list to shorten the task, tremendously for you
Ultimate HD
Beautiful ICS
Jelly Sandwich - I've been using this one for months without changing. I'd recommend version 7.4 as it's stable and anything version 8 and above are a hassle to install and have ugly icons =/
Atomic GB - The only gingerbread based rom listed as opposed to ics so bear in mind the cybershot wouldn't work
I can't really comment on any of these roms' 'personal sufficiency' other than jelly sandwich, but these are the ones I would test if I were you good luck

well XDA is a dev site where devs share their creations for each other, they're not obliged to put them up here and frankly it takes a billion times more work to make a rom than to look through the ROM threads
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Xperia T ROM is the way to go!
I too was in the same state 3-4 months back and all I wanted was a stable & smooth ROM (better than stock, of course). So, I went thro most of the threads and based on the feedback of many, I narrowed down on Ultimate HD. Sure its a better ROM and I was happy using it for close to 2 months. But after prolonged usage, it started to lag. Only then, I started experimenting with multiple ROMs.
There are ROM u would start hating it immediately after installing it and there are which will make u to stick with it for a while. After testing bunch of ROMs, I finally landed on Xperia T ROM. Its not the most talked about ROM around, but definitely has its own fan following and Im definitely going to be one among them. It has all the MODs that I wanted (toggles, latest apps, cybershot, small apps etc...) and yet it offered smoothness and free RAM of close to 100 MB. Most importantly, it offered loads of options while installing (in Aroma Installer). So, you can pick and choose whatever u want. It is one of the few ROMs wherein Sound Enhancements in Walkman player and Online mode in Album works out of the box without any tweaking!
So, I suggest you to give it a shot. Im sure u wont regret it

Hmm. Just read that T ROM has broken wifi tethering. Also read that AOSP ROM's don't have in call mute? It's quite a bit involved installing that ROM by the look of things too. I will monitor the thread for a while though and ask about the in call mute feature.

Sometimes, it's not about the ROM, it's the mods you flash on the ROM. I have been using stock ROM for quite some time and I have flashed a few mods to tweak and improve the stock ROM. You can go to the Themes and Apps section to find these kind of mods.
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AW: [Q] Which ROM offers the following?
Use the stock rom and flash mods you want..
Your mixing everyrthing up, battery and performance, perfect stability and design....