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[Q] Kaiser android yaffs error. Followed by FC's

ATT Tilt. Running DZO's 09-09-10 nbh and 02-09-10 froyo system.
Phone runs flawlessly. Everything that I've tried works, extremely fast and responsive. It's all perfect except for one thing. Randomly upon rebooting I'm greeted with hundreds of the following errors.
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After that android boots but immediately gives force close errors for system, bluetooth, google framework, messaging, and others. The phone is unusable until android is reinstalled.
There seems to be no apparent cause or warning. It may work for 2 weeks or less than 24 hours. Also doesn't seem to matter if there are lots of apps installed or just none other than what it ships with (other than google voice).
edit: I see DZO released a new kernel yesterday so I'm trying that for now but since I can't find this error on these forums (or anywhere) it's probably not on his list of things to fix.

That it is a problem with the new kernels. The solution is a system on NAND data on EXT2 for now.

Use my latest kernel (2.6.32) the problem is fixed.

where can i find the new kernel for kaiser??

here use atool to change device

Thanks a ton! I feel a little slow for not figuring that out but I couldn't find any info for android and yaffs errors. Giving your kernel a shot.
Oh and it may already be in the Atools thread but ubuntu users will also need the package "python-tk" to run it (awesome tool BTW!).
Edit: OK I just may be a little slow. I can't find the kernel at the link you posted, just the nbh and zimage.

.nbh is what you are looking for

Thanks, I had my terminology messed up. I thought the kernel was with the core files in the androidinstall.tar

Camera in Froyo??
Just flashed your new Kernel and have not seen any yaffs errors at all.....I was restoring Data almost daily with the older .32 kernel....Everything seems great except I seem to be having problems with the camera. I remember when android was early in development, the camera app would load but then immediately FC. This is something different where as the app never loads and my Kaiser completely hangs, requiring a reboot....
Using your latest kernel, Thoughtlessskyles newest build(based of new DZO Fresh Froyo) and latest radio.
Might flash an older Radio and see if that helps....
Anyone else seeing this awkward behavior??

Yeh the camera issues have not been sorted, switching to video will cause a FC right away where with the camera you can usually get one or two crappy pictures before a FC. Auto focus does not work, I could not get the wheel to work for focus either, add to that that brightness, white balance, etc do not work.

It could be a radio problem. Even with the new kernel I can still take pictures using the wheel to focus. Switching to video works for a few seconds now, used to be an instant FC. I'm using either the 1.70 or 1.65 radio (not sure how to tell with nand flashed android).
But even when it takes pictures in focus they are still pretty bad quality.

Camera works...
Just reinstalled Thoughtess' new rls and camera works...I'm starting to wonder if it is an app that is breaking the camera. I'm going to reinstall my apps from scratch and test to see when the problem arises....Trying a 170. radio version as well to see how it goes...

l1q1d said:
Use my latest kernel (2.6.32) the problem is fixed.
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No such luck.
Worked for about a day then I went to use google maps and as soon as the GPS locked my position the phone froze. After that the yaffs errors were back. I tried to replicate the problem but it's worked fine all day. Scratch that, it's back.
I guess I'll stick the data partition on SD as mentioned earlier. How much of a performance hit is it?

If your phone freezes, and that leads to data corruption, that is different from data corruption when all else is good. Kernel crashes can cause corruption on any r/w filesystem that doesn't support journaling.
So, you got a GPS lock, and your phone froze. We should look into that. Is it reproducible?
Your other data corruption occurrences, do they happen after a crash, or out of the blue?

It's not always freezing. Most of the time it's a normal reboot when it happens. Unfortunately I can't reproduce the GPS freeze. It's worked normally all day and I've tried a dozen times today (including the location I had the first lockup).
Now that I've figured out how easy it is to backup and restore the /data partition ( I wasn't aware that's what was getting corrupted) it's not such a catastrophy when it happens. I'll just keep better backups until it gets solved in the kernel.

n2rjt said:
If your phone freezes, and that leads to data corruption, that is different from data corruption when all else is good. Kernel crashes can cause corruption on any r/w filesystem that doesn't support journaling.
So, you got a GPS lock, and your phone froze. We should look into that. Is it reproducible?
Your other data corruption occurrences, do they happen after a crash, or out of the blue?
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I've been experiencing a lot of this issues on my Kaiser. I don't know if this info helps but I've been getting it the most when restarting the phone. Sometimes I would start seeing my wallpaper changed to default, some apps start force closing, it gets worse and worse until a lot of processes force close and I am unable to use the phone anymore.
I am using donut 1.6 with latest eclair kernel from dzo. I am unable to flash anything on my phone due to spl problems so I was looking for a solution. I'll attemp the EXT2 on SD and see how it goes. Thanks for the info in the thread.

Mi 2
Yep, happened to me too...
Reinstalled from scratch, and its ok... fast and everything...
I had just reinstalled it, with all the apps... and NO FREAKIN' BACKUP!
But still... the best build I ever tasted...

yaff no error with ext2 partition in sdcard
h4rdw4r3fr14k said:
Yep, happened to me too...
Reinstalled from scratch, and its ok... fast and everything...
I had just reinstalled it, with all the apps... and NO FREAKIN' BACKUP!
But still... the best build I ever tasted...
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Hi i was in the same trouble with yaffs error and i install almost version of android donuts eclair froyo etc and my trouble was that I install the system and data in the flash memory, when i read the guide who explain how to install android in ext2 partition and i have 4 days my phone and i install software and works wonderfull...im testing but never more errror of yaffs my phone has installed kernel 2.6.32.9, with Thoughtlesskyle's Not So Super Froyo [RLS17] [10/20/2010] Kid Tested Mother Approved!
its work fine i hope my information be usefull thanks a lot of this forum. sorry my english

furiac3lta said:
Hi i was in the same trouble with yaffs error and i install almost version of android donuts eclair froyo etc and my trouble was that I install the system and data in the flash memory, when i read the guide who explain how to install android in ext2 partition and i have 4 days my phone and i install software and works wonderfull...im testing but never more errror of yaffs my phone has installed kernel 2.6.32.9, with Thoughtlesskyle's Not So Super Froyo [RLS17] [10/20/2010] Kid Tested Mother Approved!
its work fine i hope my information be usefull thanks a lot of this forum. sorry my english
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I came to the same conclusion after a lot of trials and errors.
The only way to stop FC from popping up on startup after a freeze was to put data on sd card in ext2 partition.
I'm still keeping the system partition on NAND though, and so far so good.
My advice is to use MiniTool Partition Wizard Home Edition to change partitions on sd card. It is free, it is fast and it is so much more practical than gparted

[Q] Synergy RC2 Wireless/Networks FC in Dropdown

Hi everyone,
So I just flashed Synergy RC2 over RC1 and everything is amazing...can't wait to try out the pano cam. I would have posted this questions in the thread in development but I don't have enough posts to do so.
I'm not sure if I had this in RC1, but I've flashed RC2 twice with a dalvik and cache only wipe and still had this problem.
In the dropdown on the quick settings tab (where you can toggle the wireless networks), all of them say FC for some reason, and if they're on...well, refer to the screenshot. It doesn't seem to interfere with connections, just kinda annoying that they say that. I'm guessing I need to clear data in an app, but I'm not sure which. If I'm way off base, please point me in the right direction.
Thanks!
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twinsin said:
Hi everyone,
So I just flashed Synergy RC2 over RC1 and everything is amazing...can't wait to try out the pano cam. I would have posted this questions in the thread in development but I don't have enough posts to do so.
In the dropdown on the quick settings tab (where you can toggle the wireless networks), all of them say FC for some reason, and if they're on...well, refer to the screenshot. It doesn't seem to interfere with connections, just kinda annoying that they say that. I'm guessing I need to clear data in an app, but I'm not sure which. If I'm way off base, please point me in the right direction.
Thanks!
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That is strange. I'll say that I tend to come from the camp of full wipes before putting in a new ROM, not installing over an old one unless its specified that you can (even then I tend not to). My best recommendation for the least number of headaches for you would be to copy your SD to your comp, use amon_RA to wipe everything 3x, then flash the rc2 and enjoy the ROM.
If you really feel like trying to make it all play nice, try wiping dalvik and cache.
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Watcher07 said:
That is strange. I'll say that I tend to come from the camp of full wipes before putting in a new ROM, not installing over an old one unless its specified that you can (even then I tend not to). My best recommendation for the least number of headaches for you would be to copy your SD to your comp, use amon_RA to wipe everything 3x, then flash the rc2 and enjoy the ROM.
If you really feel like trying to make it all play nice, try wiping dalvik and cache.
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+1 with the exception of wiping the SD card. Being that he has already had success in flashing RC-2, a wipe of the card shouldn't be necessary, but like you, I'm a fan of full wipes...

So what you guys are saying is:
- copy my entire SD card to my comp (i.e. go into E: and copy all contents to the desktop)
- amon_RA "wipe everything 3x." What wipes am I doing specifically (data/cache/dalvik/system/etc.) and what does everything mean? SD card and...?
- put everything back from the comp onto the SD card and reflash
Please correct me on anything I got wrong as I want to make sure I don't brick my phone.
Also, this may be a noob question but whenever I flash a new ROM, I do a Titanium Backup of app data, flash, and restore the app data. Yes, this restores my apps but is there a way to make it so I don't have to redo my home screens with the widget locations and apps I had on there prior to flashing? It's getting annoying having to do this every time I flash.
Thanks in advance.

twinsin said:
So what you guys are saying is:
- copy my entire SD card to my comp (i.e. go into E: and copy all contents to the desktop)
- amon_RA "wipe everything 3x." What wipes am I doing specifically (data/cache/dalvik/system/etc.) and what does everything mean? SD card and...?
- put everything back from the comp onto the SD card and reflash
Please correct me on anything I got wrong as I want to make sure I don't brick my phone.
Also, this may be a noob question but whenever I flash a new ROM, I do a Titanium Backup of app data, flash, and restore the app data. Yes, this restores my apps but is there a way to make it so I don't have to redo my home screens with the widget locations and apps I had on there prior to flashing? It's getting annoying having to do this every time I flash.
Thanks in advance.
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No worries. To answer your questions.
1) Yeah, copy your entire sd card to your computer. Any flashaholic will tell you that cards can go bad and that when flashing, things can go wrong so its very helpful to have all your photos and whatnot saved on your computer regularly.
2) Wipe everything on the list that can be wiped. As DJ said though, wiping the card isn't always a necessity, I simply do it because I love a good, solid clean start when going from say an AOSP rom to a Sense based one.
3) Usually I keep all my data and personal stuff in the cloud so I tend not to do alot of sd backups and restores. Every photo I take is regularly uploaded to picasa, my contacts come from gmail, all my emails are server hosted by gmail, documents are in google docs, you get the idea. So when I come into a new rom, I just download the apps I need and everything populates as I need it to. However if you have alot of photos or music and such, find it on the card backup on your comp and just copy that stuff back. Dont forget your nandroid backup as well.
4) As I'm not big into restoring and more into clean starts, I don't tend to use titanium backup for anything, so that question might be better geared for someone else to answer, but I think one of the big points of the program is to actually try to restore everything to the way it was, so I would imagine that it is a feature of the program, but again, really not sure.
As for bricking your phone, experience and observation of thread upon thread of people worrying about having bricked their phone has shown that for the most part, your EVO is a pretty damn durable beast. Really the ways to brick it are few and far between (dont pull the battery when updating radios and such). For the most part, anything you screw up can be undone. When I was first learning how to root and all that, I saw all sorts of threads and ideas and how to's that lead me down SO MANY wrong paths. I thought I bricked it like 5 or 6 times, but it just turned out I had pressed a wrong button on boot up, didn't flash the right recovery, didnt wipe something enough times, etc. etc.
These forums have alot of great people on them, if you think you borked your phone, dont do anything to it, toss up a message and a description of what happened, and you should get some decent responses pretty quick. Good luck with your rom flashing.

You're so helpful Watcher, I thanked you twice
Anyways, I forgot to mention I've had a couple of random power offs since installing Synergy so it's probably a good idea I go all-out on my wiping anyways.
I'll report back with results later today when I get around to reflashing.

twinsin said:
You're so helpful Watcher, I thanked you twice
Anyways, I forgot to mention I've had a couple of random power offs since installing Synergy so it's probably a good idea I go all-out on my wiping anyways.
I'll report back with results later today when I get around to reflashing.
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lol, I appreciate the gesture. I work wednesdays through saturday 10+ hour shifts, so generally not around too much on those days, but since I've been more proactive in the community, I keep my xda app handy when my evo isn't busy telling me where my next stop is. Anyway, good luck and by all means let us know how it works out.

@Watcher07, you're alright, my friend....
Posting & replying from my EVO 4G

Well, looks like it worked...thanks guys. Did a triple wipe on everything and it all looks good.
I don't know if I should start a new thread on this, but I just saw that Spare Parts got carried over even after wiping and flashing. I don't use it often and the battery history button FCs on me. So I tried to uninstall it via Market and Manage Apps and it doesn't have the option to uninstall anywhere! So I have a supposedly installed app that won't let me uninstall it...wtf?
Make a new thread or can anyone assist with this?

twinsin said:
Well, looks like it worked...thanks guys. Did a triple wipe on everything and it all looks good.
I don't know if I should start a new thread on this, but I just saw that Spare Parts got carried over even after wiping and flashing. I don't use it often and the battery history button FCs on me. So I tried to uninstall it via Market and Manage Apps and it doesn't have the option to uninstall anywhere! So I have a supposedly installed app that won't let me uninstall it...wtf?
Make a new thread or can anyone assist with this?
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Spare Parts comes pre-installed on several custom roms so I doubt that it was carried over after a wipe, my friend, but i could be wrong. Still, I'm glad you got everything all taken care of. As for removing it, you will have to maneuver to the system/app folder via ADB or a system level file manager like Root Explorer to delete it or anything else you don't want.
Posting & replying from my EVO 4G

dougjamal said:
Spare Parts comes pre-installed on several custom roms so I doubt that it was carried over after a wipe, my friend, but i could be wrong. Still, I'm glad you got everything all taken care of. As for removing it, you will have to maneuver to the system/app folder via ADB or a system level file manager like Root Explorer to delete it or anything else you don't want.
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Yeah, it must be bundled into Synergy (don't see that on myn's feature list). I went into Root Explorer and only thing in there was the Spare Parts installer, so I just left it and guess I'll deal with it.
Consider this thread resolved.

dougjamal said:
Spare Parts comes pre-installed on several custom roms so I doubt that it was carried over after a wipe, my friend, but i could be wrong. Still, I'm glad you got everything all taken care of. As for removing it, you will have to maneuver to the system/app folder via ADB or a system level file manager like Root Explorer to delete it or anything else you don't want.
Posting & replying from my EVO 4G
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+1 to this.
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twinsin said:
Yeah, it must be bundled into Synergy (don't see that on myn's feature list). I went into Root Explorer and only thing in there was the Spare Parts installer, so I just left it and guess I'll deal with it.
Consider this thread resolved.
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That file is safe to remove. If you'd like, you can 'freeze' it with Titanium Backup.
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[Q] Flash nightmares and figuring out the aftermath

Hey everyone,
Sort of an odd problem here. So I've been flashing ROMs for over a year without only a few scares and oopses. Recently, I tried to use
the in-ROM updater, and it crashed the phone. Then after being unable to reboot the phone or get into CWM, I tried to use a one click restore
to get back to stock and then install the update through CMW. But something went wrong with ODIN and the phone became unrecogizable by the computer. Long story short, after hours of reading, the phone went to Sprint, where i was handed a new phone.
Got home, stuck in my old microSD card, to restore my data from my Nandroid. I rooted the phone, installed CMW, installed Blu Kuban with no issues. BUT THEN, I restored my data. It took a long time...like almost half an hour. The majority of that time on the MD5 check. The phone seemed to work fine. Then, in the middle of launching an app, it crashed...and it crashed HARD. But I could get into CMW. Any attempt to wipe did not help. I reinstalled the ROM, it would fail in the middle. The only way to break out of this and make progress was to throw a DIFFERENT ROM on the microSD and install that. I got Kuban back on, restored my data, and had it crash again, same symptoms, same problems. My question is: Could all this be caused by a corrupt nandroid? If it isn't that, what is causing all of this?
HELP!!

hint, stop restoring your data lol.
But yeah, def your data(probably). Try installing a rom and without restoring your data(after a full wipe) and go from there
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Agreed, consider your restore toasted. Wouldn't the first fail or two deter you from trying to restore anymore? Haha, no offense or anything.
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Well it all just seems so mysterious. The latest is that rather than restoring data, I did a full restore. Then I updated to the latest zip in CWM. The phone ran fine most all day.....and then crashed and burned again. I'm wondering if it could be a disagreement between the Tegrak program and the kernel? I'm going to try to do a full restore and, while it's still on the old version, uninstall Tegrak, then update and see what happens. Why do you suppose the data is passing the MD5 test if it's corrupt? Any input is greatly appreciated.

Okay, got it up and running again. Uninstalled Tegrak and I'm not going to update to the latest and see what is what. If I were to install Titanium and do an app backup while it's still running, would that suffer from the same corruption as Nandroid backup? I'm assuming doing a Android backup of it while it's running would do nothing to address whatever corruption is there?

Titanium pro can pull apps and data from nandroids btw.
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I would suggest odin back to stock then reformat you sd card from within settings/storage/unmount ext sd/format then start fresh. Reroot, reinstall CWM, do a fresh install of all your apps from the playstore then do your backups. I have heard of new phones having conflicts with sd cards maybe that will fix your problem

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I would suggest odin back to stock then reformat you sd card from within settings/storage/unmount ext sd/format then start fresh. Reroot, reinstall CWM, do a fresh install of all your apps from the playstore then do your backups. I have heard of new phones having conflicts with sd cards maybe that will fix your problem
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He is right some times that's the best way to go. Also along with titanium backup I use rom toolbox to back up apps. It backs up the actual apk so its the fastest way to start fresh.
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Titanium backs up the actual apk too. Just when restoring choose app only.
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TiBu also makes a flashable zip of your apps now too that you can just flash in recovery
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So after Titaniuming things after a restore I waited to see if the phone would crash. Sure enough, it did. So I did one click Odin back to stock rooted I27. Added CWM. Then after a double wipe, flashed Blue Kuban 1.5.1. Then installed Titanium, restored my apps, signed back into Google....etc, etc.....and, on the way to the gym it CRASHED AGAIN. HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE? What could possibly have come with the phone? Does my particular phone just not play nicely with this ROM? Any suggestions would be appreciated. My next experiment is to go from stock again and install a different ROM, restore apps, and see what happens. If that crashes too I don't know what to think.

Macros746 said:
So after Titaniuming things after a restore I waited to see if the phone would crash. Sure enough, it did. So I did one click Odin back to stock rooted I27. Added CWM. Then after a double wipe, flashed Blue Kuban 1.5.1. Then installed Titanium, restored my apps, signed back into Google....etc, etc.....and, on the way to the gym it CRASHED AGAIN. HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE? What could possibly have come with the phone? Does my particular phone just not play nicely with this ROM? Any suggestions would be appreciated. My next experiment is to go from stock again and install a different ROM, restore apps, and see what happens. If that crashes too I don't know what to think.
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Did you reformat your sd card?

No. Is doing the X2 wipe in CWM not enough? How would I do that? Anyway I could keep the MASSIVE downloads from various games? If I shifted them to my harddrive and then moved them back?

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No. Is doing the X2 wipe in CWM not enough? How would I do that? Anyway I could keep the MASSIVE downloads from various games? If I shifted them to my harddrive and then moved them back?
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Transfer your games to your pc, then go to settings/storage/unmount ext sd card/ then it will give you the option to format

also, seeing as this saga started on a different phone...and obviously that SD card is no more, I don't understand how it could be that. Or are you suggesting it's an issue with the external microSD?

Macros746 said:
also, seeing as this saga started on a different phone...and obviously that SD card is no more, I don't understand how it could be that. Or are you suggesting it's an issue with the external microSD?
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From what I understand from seeing other posts the data on your card is not matching your phone

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From what I understand from seeing other posts the data on your card is not matching your phone
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Okay, so I'm formatting my internal SD card correct? And I'm doing this through CWM? I just tried in the format/sdcard and I got an error mounting it. Sorry to be thick here. By the way, it's Kuban_recovery 0.0.1
Thanks for the help so far, I really appreciate it.

Macros746 said:
Okay, so I'm formatting my internal SD card correct? And I'm doing this through CWM? I just tried in the format/sdcard and I got an error mounting it. Sorry to be thick here. By the way, it's Kuban_recovery 0.0.1
Thanks for the help so far, I really appreciate it.
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external sd card!!!!!!! your micro sd card. that can be done settings/storage/unmount ext sd card/ then it will give you the option to format

bigdaddy619 said:
external sd card!!!!!!! your micro sd card. that can be done settings/storage/unmount ext sd card/ then it will give you the option to format
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Reformatted....crashed. Operating without external SD....crashed. Clean install of Blu Kuban with no restore except though account sign in with Google.....crash. Clean install of Venum's ROM....crash. My final test is a restore of system ROM....but I am beginning to suspect that the replacement phone they gave me at Sprint is faulty. Because now it obviously has nothing to do with a corrupt backup. Anyone have any last minute suggestions?
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Macros746 said:
Reformatted....crashed. Operating without external SD....crashed. Clean install of Blu Kuban with no restore except though account sign in with Google.....crash. Clean install of Venum's ROM....crash. My final test is a restore of system ROM....but I am beginning to suspect that the replacement phone they gave me at Sprint is faulty. Because now it obviously has nothing to do with a corrupt backup. Anyone have any last minute suggestions?
Macros
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So the verdict is in all: Faulty phone AND faulty battery WOO HOO! Thanks for checking those refurbs Sprint....grrr....when I think of the hours of grief.....sigh. New phone arriving tomorrow. Thanks so much for all of your help. Everyone who tried to help I SO appreciate it! Can't wait until I have Blu up and running on the new phone.
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[Q] Finally kitkat is available for my note... should I upgrade?

Hi,
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I don't know whether to upgrade or not..
I'm rooted on stock 4.2.2
My warranty was void since the first day I bought my note 8... I don't have something to worry about..
I'm talking about KNOX.. is there any topics to explain what is it? and what's bootloader?
Will I'm be able to root it again after upgrading? Can I revert back to 4.2.2 if something went wrong?

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I don't know whether to upgrade or not..
I'm rooted on stock 4.2.2
My warranty was void since the first day I bought my note 8... I don't have something to worry about..
I'm talking about KNOX.. is there any topics to explain what is it? and what's bootloader?
Will I'm be able to root it again after upgrading? Can I revert back to 4.2.2 if something went wrong?
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Knox is a set of security tools included in the Kitkat update that lock down the device to prevent misuse and modification. This is great in a business/enterprise environment because it means that a company can buy Samsung devices, configure them however they want, and in theory a user is less likely to hack it for themselves.
For those who aren't part of a company or enterprise environment, Knox is a pain. Not only will it prevent you from rooting it (if you don't use the right root method), but it also is aware if you do root or try to flash a custom ROM to it. Included in Knox is a new bootloader (part of the firmware that manages the actual boot process of the device); part of that bootloader is a non-removable, non-editable e-Fuse. The e-Fuse detects if any non-officially signed software is flashed to the device. If it finds anything (Custom recovery, root package, custom ROM), the e-Fuse is permanently tripped and Samsung will no longer touch that device.
The e-Fuse is separate from the flash counter, which CAN be reset with a tool like TriangleAway (Flash counter is exactly what it sounds like; a counter that counts how many times the device is flashed with custom modification).
I realize this isn't an issue for you, as you don't care about the warranty. If you don't, then great! Hack and modify your device all you want to. Root, flash ROMs, modify kernels, do whatever.
I will say that before I upgraded to stock 4.4.2, I did try out a few custom ROMs available for the Note 8.0. I didn't find a single one that really fit the bill for me, and frankly found all of them to be a bit sluggish compared to the stock ROM; a surprising change-up from what I'm used to. I also rely a lot on the S-Pen, which didn't have the functionality I was looking for in any other ROM. So I'm flashing back to stock and upgrading to 4.4.2 so I can use the S-Pen exactly how I'm used to. I too don't worry about the warranty, so if I find a root method that works I'll probably root just so I can have that access, but I probably won't flash another ROM to it.

Sure, though losing writing to the card...
Via my Note 3

I would wait to see if someone can root it. I miss root on my note3 with kk. Otherwise I love it. PGP and programs that need to write while in external just will not work on the new bootloader.
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Just researched and tested stuff out; the same root process as before still works with 4.4.2.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1980683
So, flash CF-Auto-Root with Odin, update SuperSU after rooting is finished, then disable Knox in SuperSU. I'm assuming updating it right from the Play Store will work just fine, but I'll report back if I have any problems with it. My Note 8.0 is busy updating everything else at the moment :-/
EDIT: Here's a better link for CF-Auto-Root for the N5110:
http://download.chainfire.eu/318/CF-Root/CF-Auto-Root/CF-Auto-Root-konawifi-konawifixx-gtn5110.zip
EDIT: SuperSU finally updated through the Play Store, no problems as anticipated.

As far as updating it's mixed. The multi user is great but loosing the ability to write data to the SD is frustrating. I knew we lost the ability to move apps but I didn't realize we lost the ability to move data. So now my podcasts and maps from Osmond have to set on the tablet. It's not gonna fit.
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kenhicg said:
As far as updating it's mixed. The multi user is great but loosing the ability to write data to the SD is frustrating. I knew we lost the ability to move apps but I didn't realize we lost the ability to move data. So now my podcasts and maps from Osmond have to set on the tablet. It's not gonna fit.
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What's that?? writing to SD isn't allowed without rooting?

no.
Kit kat gave me nothing. It did make my spen offset by an eighth of an inch. It made the handwriting recognition much worse in user interface and functionality. I can no longer disable the service that puts the recommended spen apps in my notification bar. My battery life seems worse but that may be because I reset the tablet and havent configured all the settings yet.
Im researching a way to flash 4.2 back on it. Its hard to find anything on this site but I did find this:
http://www.sammobile.com/firmwares/3/?download=19789
I have a usa galaxy note wifi version. If anyone with experience sees my post I would greatly appreciate it if you could reply and let me know if if this will work. Im not sure if flashing from kit kat is possible. I don't have any knowledge about this kind of stuff but I can follow directions and I was in love with my tablet before this happened.
Thank you for any help or information. I will update this post once I have decided to make a move towards flashing 4.2 back.

Apps still move to a degree.
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AhmadLight said:
What's that?? writing to SD isn't allowed without rooting?
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Nope doesn't work. Blame Google.
life is better with r00t

Sure. After upgrading to kitkat. I noticed that apps are opening much smoother and quicker resulting in significant improvement in battery life. Also I noticed that there is less heat issue with kitkat as compared to jellybean.
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If you want to use an sd card don't do it. I can't even access my music anymore.
Edit well I may have had a bad sd card beacuse everything seems to be ok including move to sd.
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kenhicg said:
If you want to use an sd card don't do it. I can't even access my music anymore.
Edit well I may have had a bad sd card beacuse everything seems to be ok including move to sd.
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You ever get the SPen issue worked out? I updated from a clean install of 4.2.2 and I have had no issues with SPen tracking.

mstrswrd06 said:
You ever get the SPen issue worked out? I updated from a clean install of 4.2.2 and I have had no issues with SPen tracking.
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I've got got hit by the S-Pen issue. Mine is a Canadian Note 8 that went from 4.1.2 directly to 4.4.2. The S-Pen accuracy is now off and for me, that wipes out whatever speed and response benefits may have come with KitKat.

shardsx said:
I've got got hit by the S-Pen issue. Mine is a Canadian Note 8 that went from 4.1.2 directly to 4.4.2. The S-Pen accuracy is now off and for me, that wipes out whatever speed and response benefits may have come with KitKat.
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Does a factory reset fix the problem?

Fortunately I never had an issue with the spen.
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@kenhicg
Again about writing to SD... I didn't get what you mean??
Wouldn't I be able to move or read data from my SD Card?? What about moving apps to SD?
What I understood is that you'd a problem with your SD card

AhmadLight said:
@kenhicg
Again about writing to SD... I didn't get what you mean??
Wouldn't I be able to move or read data from my SD Card?? What about moving apps to SD?
What I understood is that you'd a problem with your SD card
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They were telling us that their SD card was bad. That's why they were having problems with moving data to and from that card.
I just tested my SD card by copying a small PDF from my card to internal storage, deleting from the card, then copying back from internal storage back to the card. Worked fine; I used Root Browser.
Then again, I don't use my SD card for apps or Android data. So I'm not fully testing it, but just a quick read/copy/delete/write worked fine with that PDF I used.

newbiechris said:
Kit kat gave me nothing. It did make my spen offset by an eighth of an inch. It made the handwriting recognition much worse in user interface and functionality. I can no longer disable the service that puts the recommended spen apps in my notification bar. My battery life seems worse but that may be because I reset the tablet and havent configured all the settings yet.
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I would pay money to be able to revert back to 4.1.2 (I'm in Canada, we never got 4.2.2.). l also have the s pen offset issue and questionable battery life, although I've only done a couple of charges since upgrading. Hate the new handwriting input panel. I actually did use the page buddy features when I took out the s pen or plugged in my headphones. Very annoyed that this feature has been removed. Another peeve is that whenever the pen is just hovering over the screen, the menu and back touch keys light up. l had to shut the lights off entirely to keep them from coming on every time I moved the pen.
For all the hype about Kitkat, I really don't see much difference other than things that now don't work properly.

AhmadLight said:
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I don't know whether to upgrade or not..
I'm rooted on stock 4.2.2
My warranty was void since the first day I bought my note 8... I don't have something to worry about..
I'm talking about KNOX.. is there any topics to explain what is it? and what's bootloader?
Will I'm be able to root it again after upgrading? Can I revert back to 4.2.2 if something went wrong?
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i upgraded just for civato's kitkat rom. i like kitkat. i see marked improvement from jelly bean. but maybe that's just me. and absolutely not, you will brick your note if you try to downgrade to a 4.2.2 touchwiz rom. i think you could downgrade to an aosp 4.2.2 (don't quote me on that) but it's a totally different experience.
if you insist on staying stock a large offset to the s pen's accuracy comes with the upgrade. civato's rom and kernel fixes that though.
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@kenhicg
What I understood is that you'd a problem with your SD card
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i have a lot of apps on my 64gb sd card with no issues.
EDIT: though again, i must stress, i am running a custom rom. i cannot speak for stock, but i am happy with my decision.

4.4.4 tmobile update

Ok I recently manually checked for update on my rooted S4 and for my surprise it said and diwnloaded a 4.4.4 SO update, but I cant seem to find where was this file downloaded to.
1.- Does anyone knows wherr was this file downaloded to?
2.- the OS downloaded warns of a Knox 2.0 that may disable some of my apps or something like that.
Can someone help? Is there a stock rom that I can download thatbis already rooted and stable?
Also does anyone knows of a good custom recovery, I currently have twrp and I hate it cause everytime that I erase or restore the phone, everything remains in the phone exept user info but folders prevoiusly created remains there. So basically the phone doesnt factory restore. :'(
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1) It's better to just download the stock NH7 from general section and flash with Odin.
2) Yes there are ROMs like that
And for your last question, factory resets are supposed to do that. They wipe the user data except the internal SD.. There is an option to wipe the internal SD in twrp and in any other recovery

I'm torn between updating to NH7 from the MDL bootloader or keeping it like it is until the Note Edge comes out and jumping to it. Don't know what I want to do but I will say I feel performance wise being on the MDL bootloader I feel I'm sacrificing speeds, abs oddball problems associated with not upgrading.
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mrbmg said:
I'm torn between updating to NH7 from the MDL bootloader or keeping it like it is until the Note Edge comes out and jumping to it. Don't know what I want to do but I will say I feel performance wise being on the MDL bootloader I feel I'm sacrificing speeds, abs oddball problems associated with not upgrading.
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Having the MDL bootloader, someone might find it more valuable if you decide to sell it. Because it is KNOX free You never know. But if you plan to keep it and just want to get rid of it, updating would be better.

serio22 said:
1) It's better to just download the stock NH7 from general section and flash with Odin.
2) Yes there are ROMs like that
And for your last question, factory resets are supposed to do that. They wipe the user data except the internal SD.. There is an option to wipe the internal SD in twrp and in any other recovery
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Actualy no, when I had my sensation with CWM I remember factory resetting the phone through the regular phone reset setting and it used to boot into recovery and do it by itself. And also deleted all user data, and all previously created data and folders.
So, going from this can you tell me where or under what settings in the recovery is the option to erase the internal sd card, cause I remember the last time a did choose something like that the phone didnt pass the boot logo and I had to reinstall, re-root and everything again, redo everything again and thats time consumming.
Thanks for your response bro.
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So does anyone knows where is this file downloaded ti si I can extract it from the device and save it
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dr69 said:
Actualy no, when I had my sensation with CWM I remember factory resetting the phone through the regular phone reset setting and it used to boot into recovery and do it by itself. And also deleted all user data, and all previously created data and folders.
So, going from this can you tell me where or under what settings in the recovery is the option to erase the internal sd card, cause I remember the last time a did choose something like that the phone didnt pass the boot logo and I had to reinstall, re-root and everything again, redo everything again and thats time consumming.
Thanks for your response bro.
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So it wiped your external SD? Because sensation does not have internal SD.. To wipe the internal SD go to wipe, and I think its in advanced wipe

Soooo, can anyone help here?
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dr69 said:
Soooo, can anyone help here?
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Download it, root your device, use a file explorer with root permissions, do a search for update.zip
Its either in /cache/ or /data/ I honestly cant remember. Do post a link if you do it tho.

Yep, thanks it was right there. Now I have the OTA for T-Mo US official 4.4.4.
Im gonna save it just in case
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Just wanted to throw my advice in on this. I've had my phone rooted since the day I got it in August of '13. Had the MDL bootloader, never updated it, but always updated the modem's to the current modem.
I noticed something weird on this last update to NH7 though. Something was just different. My LTE speeds definitely slowed down to a crawl, and my phone was rebooting on a stable rom that I've ran for over 6 monthes, GoldenEye. Battery drains have been plaguing me this last month as well. I tried different kernels, fresh installs, nothing was working. Finally got to the point of, screw it, I'm updating the firmware and will go from there.
Yesterday I upgraded firmware without completely wiping the rom that I was on. Odin'd NH7 and everything loaded back up the way it was, and Yes I now have the Knox bootloader. Immediately I noticed my LTE speeds had returned back to normal. I haven't had one reboot in the last 17.5 hours, and I'm at 75% battery left. I definitely think being on such an old bootloader impacted the way my phone was acting. Could just be me, but it helped me ten fold, from the problems I was having, to what I have now. I'm debating on just leaving it stock so I don't screw knox, just in case I want "JUMP" to the Note Edge whenever it comes out.
Again, this is just my case. I'm sure in a couple of days without customizing stupid crap or loading a few different roms to try out, I'll go ahead and root it and void the knox (I don't really care about it anyhow.) If the damn Note Edge was here I would have already pre-ordered and wouldn't have to worry. Since it's not, I might just pay this phone off and keep it and start up a new line for the Edge. Our phones are kick ass and almost impossible to brick, and very fast for what all I do on it.
Thanks,
BillY

Just root the phone, otherwise what is the point of having android ;-P
check out this rom if you want TW 4.4.4 with some modifications:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s4-tmobile/development/rom-4-4-4-nh7-insane-kit-kat-v1-9-14-14-t2876946
there is another that it is just stock rooted 4.4.4, no mods, just plain stock here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s4-tmobile/development/stock-base-4-4-4-nh7-rooted-deodexed-t2873695
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mrbmg said:
Just wanted to throw my advice in on this. I've had my phone rooted since the day I got it in August of '13. Had the MDL bootloader, never updated it, but always updated the modem's to the current modem.
I noticed something weird on this last update to NH7 though. Something was just different. My LTE speeds definitely slowed down to a crawl, and my phone was rebooting on a stable rom that I've ran for over 6 monthes, GoldenEye. Battery drains have been plaguing me this last month as well. I tried different kernels, fresh installs, nothing was working. Finally got to the point of, screw it, I'm updating the firmware and will go from there.
Yesterday I upgraded firmware without completely wiping the rom that I was on. Odin'd NH7 and everything loaded back up the way it was, and Yes I now have the Knox bootloader. Immediately I noticed my LTE speeds had returned back to normal. I haven't had one reboot in the last 17.5 hours, and I'm at 75% battery left. I definitely think being on such an old bootloader impacted the way my phone was acting. Could just be me, but it helped me ten fold, from the problems I was having, to what I have now. I'm debating on just leaving it stock so I don't screw knox, just in case I want "JUMP" to the Note Edge whenever it comes out.
Again, this is just my case. I'm sure in a couple of days without customizing stupid crap or loading a few different roms to try out, I'll go ahead and root it and void the knox (I don't really care about it anyhow.) If the damn Note Edge was here I would have already pre-ordered and wouldn't have to worry. Since it's not, I might just pay this phone off and keep it and start up a new line for the Edge. Our phones are kick ass and almost impossible to brick, and very fast for what all I do on it.
Thanks,
BillY
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what i did since the latest NH7 came out was update through ODIN, never had a problem with it, so i guess i got lucky

Lasted a whole 2 days stock and un-rooted after I updated to NH7.
I only owe another $200 on my phone so there is really no sense in "Jump" at this point. The Edge not being out made this decision real easy for me. Just going to keep the S4, and pay it off and start over again once the Edge comes out.