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Will the HTC phones have this UI anytime soon ?
ELSE Mobile phone user interface
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this is what i thought wm7 was going to look like

That 'home' menu looks pretty cool, the rest of the phone, eh. What's up with those side buttons?
However, their actual 'phone' functionality niceities are interesting - e.g. call handling while in another app, or during a meeting, etc. I'd actually pay for that as an app for our phones!
Also, their multitasking handling was cool.
BTW: Probably the wrong forum

mazzarin said:
That 'home' menu looks pretty cool, the rest of the phone, eh. What's up with those side buttons?
However, their actual 'phone' functionality niceities are interesting - e.g. call handling while in another app, or during a meeting, etc. I'd actually pay for that as an app for our phones!
Also, their multitasking handling was cool.
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Where should it be then ?
what category ?

Hi ilordvader,
You should go on the official site for more info: http://www.firstelse.com/
Also, it has nothing to do with Windows Phone 7 series (This UI is based on Limo).
To my mind, this thread should be moved in General forums.
Cheers.

This is actually much better than stupid iPhone-like WP7. And it even multitasks.

pilgrim011 said:
And it even multitasks.
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Multitasking is not special. Every phone EXCEPT the iPhone multitasks. Windows Mobile has been doing it for a decade.

godefroi said:
Multitasking is not special. Every phone EXCEPT the iPhone multitasks. Windows Mobile has been doing it for a decade.
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Of course. I was trying to be sarcastic, because WP7 (just like iPhone) will not have true multitasking.

BTW,
The company which is responsible for this phone is an Israeli company called Else (foremly Emblaze). Another israeli designed cellphone is the Modu (or Modo, i'm not sure) which is intended for developing markets.

mazzarin said:
That 'home' menu looks pretty cool, the rest of the phone, eh. What's up with those side buttons?
However, their actual 'phone' functionality niceities are interesting - e.g. call handling while in another app, or during a meeting, etc. I'd actually pay for that as an app for our phones!
Also, their multitasking handling was cool.
BTW: Probably the wrong forum
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I hate tiny buttons
I love WP7 for it's big buttons.
I have said time and again, when you are mobile, you are HANDICAPPED. You cannot be looking for tiny buttons while you are walking down the street and typing an email or browsing.
So you need a phone with a large(er) size i.e HD2, and big buttons.
HD2's biggest flaw is it's array of tiny buttons on the bottom.

gorelshv said:
The company which is responsible for this phone is an Israeli company called Else (foremly Emblaze). Another israeli designed cellphone is the Modu (or Modo, i'm not sure) which is intended for developing markets.
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arent we glad hitler did not finsh the job lol

This thing has to be moved onto another forum.
Anyway, you can see that it is Linux-based, so maybe we can have it when we'll get a working Linux kernel for the HD2!
...Or on other devices (that are already running Linux just fine) like Diamond, Blackstone, Raphael etc.!

very nice ui, surprised that noone tried to replicate it for WM.
a question though.. what if you're left-handed?

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a question though.. what if you're left-handed?
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that's hiliarous i was thinkin the same thing cuz i am left handed
it would have been interesting if you talked about the hardware that's running the phone it would be interesting if we could boot that up on our devices the phone intergation is very slick i really liked the way it handled the phone call
i would like to see how it's developed in the future and if they release a version of hardware with a slide out keyboard if so i think i'd be interested in makin the switch if the development got big enough as thing here on xda have gotten
i just checked out the site really impressed with the functionality of the UI man if windows mobile 7 had been these i'd been very impressed but oh well well see what happens at MWC

cchr said:
very nice ui, surprised that noone tried to replicate it for WM.
a question though.. what if you're left-handed?
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Big deal....they won't get your business.
i guess 90% of people are right handed. Why worry about the 10% LOL

ilordvader said:
arent we glad hitler did not finsh the job lol
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Yes, we are!

chiks19018 said:
Big deal....they won't get your business.
i guess 90% of people are right handed. Why worry about the 10% LOL
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they should worry about the 10%, because they are not a very well known company and they could use all the customers they can get, i saw the ui about 1 month ago, and after that i read about it again yesterday in this thread. they would be better off selling the ui idea to a bigger OEM or MS or Apple or Google, because only then this ui will become popular.
Keland44 said:
i just checked out the site really impressed with the functionality of the UI man if windows mobile 7 had been these i'd been very impressed but oh well well see what happens at MWC
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what happens at MWC? MWC is over..

cchr said:
very nice ui, surprised that noone tried to replicate it for WM.
a question though.. what if you're left-handed?
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Upon initial device setup, you can choose either Left or Right handed operation. This can also be changed on-the-fly.

Roadrunner100 said:
Upon initial device setup, you can choose either Left or Right handed operation. This can also be changed on-the-fly.
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oh, cool, but i was mainly talking about the hw buttons..

cchr said:
oh, cool, but i was mainly talking about the hw buttons..
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umm...you have 2 hands..or no?
use the other one.

This 3 button thing is a load of crap!

As per the title. WinPhone 7 requires 3 buttons and apparently the HD2 doesn't meet the criteria. What a load of tosh. Lets do the Math, 5-3=2. Start, back & search buttons. Now forgive me if I am wrong, but as a HD2 owner and looking at it as I type, but doesn't the HD2 have a Start button? Doesn't it have a Back button? And again, forgive me if wrong, but when you purchased a new keyboard with shortcut keys, wasn't the key with the picture of the house a shortcut to IE? IE, which was a method of searching, searching the Web. Doesn't Bing use the web to search. So could the home key not be used as the search key? Yes there are 2 extra keys, but at the end of the day, these devices are phones aren't they, so having 2 extra keys to answer and end calls makes sense.
Sorry for the rant, and if this has been mentioned before, but I for one are getting sick to the back teeth of hearing that the 3 button thing will be a reason that the HD2 doesn't get the upgrade.
Seg

I think it's almost funny like people still can't get over it. Yes, the HD2 won't get an update. The device is history. So what!? Go get a new phone.
But I also have to add some sarcasm: Yes, you really don't need a phone button on a phone.
Yikes!

Rammann, I am more than happy with my phone. I just find the comments about the HD2 not getting the upgrade as it doesn't have the "3 buttons" laughable.
Just my 2 penneth worth
Seg

Not only button, but GPU and sdcard slot.
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Rammann, I am more than happy with my phone. I just find the comments about the HD2 not getting the upgrade as it doesn't have the "3 buttons" laughable.
Just my 2 penneth worth
Seg
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gogol said:
Not only button, but GPU and sdcard slot.
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plus the dead horse

Isn't there a thread somewhere on here about scaling hardware absent on the HD2 that is specified for WP7S ?

No camera button either,
I can see why they dont want to support though, as unlike previous WM WP7S will get updates from MS and not the manufacture, so having to constantly support a hacked to run on HD2 OS would get a bit iffy,
Plus dont you need 8GB of flash memory on the device also?? the HD2 already gives you too many out of storage errors

Seg2009 said:
As per the title. WinPhone 7 requires 3 buttons and apparently the HD2 doesn't meet the criteria. What a load of tosh. Lets do the Math, 5-3=2. Start, back & search buttons. Now forgive me if I am wrong, but as a HD2 owner and looking at it as I type, but doesn't the HD2 have a Start button? Doesn't it have a Back button? And again, forgive me if wrong, but when you purchased a new keyboard with shortcut keys, wasn't the key with the picture of the house a shortcut to IE? IE, which was a method of searching, searching the Web. Doesn't Bing use the web to search. So could the home key not be used as the search key? Yes there are 2 extra keys, but at the end of the day, these devices are phones aren't they, so having 2 extra keys to answer and end calls makes sense.
Sorry for the rant, and if this has been mentioned before, but I for one are getting sick to the back teeth of hearing that the 3 button thing will be a reason that the HD2 doesn't get the upgrade.
Seg
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I wouldnt worry about that cuz sooner than later, HD2 will get a cooked WM7 ROM from all the great chef here!!!

Seg2009 said:
As per the title. WinPhone 7 requires 3 buttons and apparently the HD2 doesn't meet the criteria. What a load of tosh. Lets do the Math, 5-3=2. Start, back & search buttons. Now forgive me if I am wrong, but as a HD2 owner and looking at it as I type, but doesn't the HD2 have a Start button? Doesn't it have a Back button? And again, forgive me if wrong, but when you purchased a new keyboard with shortcut keys, wasn't the key with the picture of the house a shortcut to IE? IE, which was a method of searching, searching the Web. Doesn't Bing use the web to search. So could the home key not be used as the search key? Yes there are 2 extra keys, but at the end of the day, these devices are phones aren't they, so having 2 extra keys to answer and end calls makes sense.
Sorry for the rant, and if this has been mentioned before, but I for one are getting sick to the back teeth of hearing that the 3 button thing will be a reason that the HD2 doesn't get the upgrade.
Seg
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exactly 3 button excuse is ridiculous,,,, ,,
gpu hardware absent makes sense though..

Leechoonhwee said:
I wouldnt worry about that cuz sooner than later, HD2 will get a cooked WM7 ROM from all the great chef here!!!
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I don't think this is possible.
Anyway... why would you want to do this in the first place? throw away your fully customizable WM phone and morph it into a locked down brick? no thanks.

lol, i really don't like this HD2 with no upgrade too. but i don't know, i try to be optimistic and think that HTC will change the buttons plastic thingy(i guess for a resionable amount of money) on our devices.

anaadoul said:
lol, i really don't like this HD2 with no upgrade too. but i don't know, i try to be optimistic and think that HTC will change the buttons plastic thingy(i guess for a resionable amount of money) on our devices.
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sorry you guys are so naive....
HD2 = Windows Mobile phone
WP7 = completely new OS (new windows ce, new "windows mobile")
HTC might be more than busy to work on real WP7 device, I doubt they are wasting any resources to get it working on their old devices.

gogol said:
Not only button, but GPU and sdcard slot.
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I HAve An Universal And HTC-Dopod want, So Sad No GPU

anaadoul said:
lol, i really don't like this HD2 with no upgrade too. but i don't know, i try to be optimistic and think that HTC will change the buttons plastic thingy(i guess for a resionable amount of money) on our devices.
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Forget about these buttons already. WP7 doesn't support storage cards, so HD2 will be next to useless anyway with this OS.

hmm.. if there is a free upgrade of not-yet-born dead WP7S on my lovely HD2, I won't accept it I will live with my HD2 WM 6.5. I just wish that my HD2's battery will last for a week

i feel a phone should always have a call and call end hardware button

Ganondolf said:
i feel a phone should always have a call and call end hardware button
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I agree I always use my hardware buttons to answer and end calls.

Kloc said:
I agree I always use my hardware buttons to answer and end calls.
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Exactly my point, there are the 3 other buttons there already. GPU & SDcard are a bummer though.

a windows mobile 7 phone have the same number of buttons as the hd2. only difference is the layout.......

starchildx said:
a windows mobile 7 phone have the same number of buttons as the hd2. only difference is the layout.......
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HD2 has call and home button and no search button. WP7 devices can't have more or less then the button requirements. In this case HD2 has more then required and also missing one.

[Q] Are you happy with your Lumia?

I recieved mine today, and while I need to upgrade my sim card to MicroSIM, I can tell that the first impression was good. the phone feels fast, and I think that with a bit of tweaking it could be even better. I only have to hope that people don't stop making apps for 7.5/7.8.
how about you? are you satisfied with your phone?

Dark_Ansem said:
I recieved mine today, and while I need to upgrade my sim card to MicroSIM, I can tell that the first impression was good. the phone feels fast, and I think that with a bit of tweaking it could be even better. I only have to hope that people don't stop making apps for 7.5/7.8.
how about you? are you satisfied with your phone?
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I am Quiet happy with mine
The Sales Guy who sold me the phone just cut my normal sim into a micosim and I am using that with no problem
Things I like :
1) Battery life in par with my SGS2 ( 13-19 hours depending on usage)
2) Nokia apps the best
3) I keep downloading more apps on my lumia 900 than I did on my HTC HD7
4) The screen is awesome in daylight ( even beating my SGS2 screen)
5) Camera setting tweaks can really give you awesome photos.
6) I really can't be bothered with us not getting WP8 as the phone does all that I need and I will buy the second generation wp8 as I am sure the first generation will have its on bug problems.
Do enjoy your Lumia its the best Wp7 out there...

that would be surprising, I've mostly heard "MID RANGE EXPENSIVE PHONE! NO WP8 UPGRADE! WORTHLESS!"

I'm happy with it as long as Nokia continue to sort out the niggles and bring out more new apps.
It works well at making and holding calls, the screen is excellent in sunlight, the camera seems good at taking pics outdoors, the battery is lasting me a good two days, and the satnav seems to work fine.
I don't care that much that it won't get WP8 as I see that as a different operating system. It would be the same as Microsoft saying that my current PC wouldn't be able to run Windows 8. It wouldn't worry me, I'd just continue with Windows 7 until I decide to upgrade my PC.

It's a terrible phone. Sorry Guys, no offense ... but I have a Lumia 900.1 from my employer for test purposes and I really dislike it. Here's why:
sharp corners. ouch
much heavier (5.7oz) than my samsung galaxy s2 with screen protector film (4.8oz)
windows OS is a real pain compared to my previous iPhone 3GS and Android, and the desktop / home screen is crazy ... black? Come on ... no photo / wallpaper? And that broad black strip on the right .. really? Wasted desktop space ... they have this massive screen and they choose to a) waste it on what look like melamine floor tiles and b) take even more space with a big fat black strip? Ugly. Plus, I get to choose exactly the colours that Microsoft want me to choose on my own desktop menu?
I have to PAY for Angry Birds?? Really?? Not on the iPhone or Android
and my biggest gripe ... Almost every useful app says this: "If you want to use me, you have to OK Microsoft and its partners getting yur WPS and GPS and other private information ... OK?" which makes me click "not OK, no" and which causes me to not be able to use maps etc .. even Sound Hound.
This phone is terrible. I LOVE (still) my other older Nikias ... tiny, powerful, reliable, robust, my 6301(b) even has hrdware wifi clling (UMA) ... AMAZING phones. Stereo FM radio etc etc. What the hec were Nokia thinking with this phone and what is up with Microsoft's OS??? It is generations behind.
I really wanted to love this phone. And as an ex-MSFTie, I really wanted to love MS OS. I have, after all, owned and loved other WinMo phones in the past. Eww... no thanks.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion but this kind of attitude really winds me up...
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It's a terrible phone. Sorry Guys, no offense ... but I have a Lumia 900.1 from my employer for test purposes and I really dislike it. Here's why:
sharp corners. ouch
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That may be a minor issue, not enough for me to dislike the phone though.
heinrich said:
much heavier (5.7oz) than my samsung galaxy s2 with screen protector film (4.8oz)
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You're having trouble lifting 5.7oz?
heinrich said:
windows OS is a real pain compared to my previous iPhone 3GS and Android, and the desktop / home screen is crazy ... black? Come on ... no photo / wallpaper? And that broad black strip on the right .. really? Wasted desktop space ... they have this massive screen and they choose to a) waste it on what look like melamine floor tiles and b) take even more space with a big fat black strip? Ugly. Plus, I get to choose exactly the colours that Microsoft want me to choose on my own desktop menu?
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A phone is designed to be used, not looked at. Take it outside into strong sunlight and you will see the advantage of the large tiles on a black background.
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I have to PAY for Angry Birds?? Really?? Not on the iPhone or Android
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God forbid that you should have to pay for something that people spent time and money developing - yeah, everything should be for free and then the world would be perfect.
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and my biggest gripe ... Almost every useful app says this: "If you want to use me, you have to OK Micrisift and its partners getting yur WPS and GPS and other private information ... OK?" which makes me click "not OK, no" and which causes me to not be able to use maps etc .. even Sound Hound.
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How is this different to Google getting the same info about you? These days I actually trust Microsoft more than I trust Google, who seem to be becoming one of the most evil corporations around.

MS were able to keep a few folks happy but pissed crapload others. Handset makers were "left off the bus" with Nokia got the heaviest blow due to so much hype before L900 launch. Feel free to defend WP7 and Lumia 900. The phone supposedly started @ $100, went free due to a software bug, then back to $100 for like 2-3 weeks, then $50 (amazon) pre 6/20, and after TWO months from launch, FREE!
Feel free to defend MS. People have already left, however. Well I expect to be asked "why are you still here?" Allow me to explain that I once a long-time MS follower because I said no to apple fanboism and android pre-duo core era was crap. Now I can't even find a clue to back WP. I'm pissed, bitter, and frustrated those are my lingering feelings toward MS mobile division. I can't move on until I finally unload the last of these crappy feelings (wish they were as easy as unloading 3x L900 ).
L900 is a feature phone. Software wise: checked, hardware wise: checked.

My dad is thinking of getting me this for my bday, does this phone take micro SD cards? I'm not sure if I wanna switch + the windows market is nowhere near as good as the android/apple app market.
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No SD card, and battery is not removable.
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My dad is thinking of getting me this for my bday, does this phone take micro SD cards? I'm not sure if I wanna switch + the windows market is nowhere near as good as the android/apple app market.
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Everyone is entitled to an opinion but this kind of attitude really winds me up...
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How is this different to Google getting the same info about you? These days I actually trust Microsoft more than I trust Google, who seem to be becoming one of the most evil corporations around.
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Sorry, not meaning to be offensive, just posting my opinion (we all have them and I have used a number of different phones. My point was that I really was trying to like the phone because of my MS and Nokia history
I am starting to agree with you about Google. But I don't relish giving YET ANOTHER giant, unfettered access to my sensitive information. Google does not have access to information I give SoundHound and other apps, and those apps do not have or ask access to my location and sensitive data. In fact I have made it a point (apart from Google who have access to my mail and everything else; and my Bank etc) to refuse to instal apps that need my personal or sensitive info.
Simply-put, given the choices of Google and Microsoft, I choose Google, because their invasion of my privacy, at least, gives me inreturn, a VERY SIGNIFICANT benefit. But the MS / Nokia thing ... not even close.

I just switched from a Samsung Focus to a Lumia 900 the other day. It does load apps noticeably faster than my previous phone. Touchscreen response seems a bit slower though.
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It's a terrible phone. Sorry Guys, no offense ... but I have a Lumia 900.1 from my employer for test purposes and I really dislike it. Here's why: ...
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I have a lot of problems with the Lumia 900, but your complaints are very superficial and, in my opinion, totally invalid. You even say that you were given the device by an employer, and it's obvious you would not have bought the Lumia 900 or any WP7.x device if you had the choice.
You complain about the styling: this is a subjective area and the "sharp corners" and "heaviness" are definitely some of the Lumia 900's strengths. I've used an Epic 4G Touch (Sprint's GSII) and it is very light - in a way that feels very cheap. The Lumia 900 is "much heavier" according to you, yet it's less than an ounce difference. The relative heaviness also adds a feeling of durability definitely not found in the featherweight GSII. Still, this is a subjective area.
Next, you complain about Windows Phone in general. Your biggest gripe is the intro screen to downloaded apps? You make a point to mention that you have to pay for Angry Birds? Makes me think you've spent very little time with this device. You obviously are not a fan of Metro, and singling this out as a flaw with the Lumia 900 are not appropriate.
You say you "really wanted to love this phone." And yet you dislike the styling, the weight, and the OS. What made you think you'd ever love this phone if you hate everything about it? Everything you complain about could be plainly deduced by just looking at a picture of this device. Did you not see this device at all before it was given to you? I'm not sure how you could've "wanted to love this phone."

After nearly three months, still enjoying my (original) beautifully different Lumia 900.
Sent from my Lumia 900 using Board Express Pro

I really like my Lumia 900, I wanted one because of the bigger screen than the Lumia 800 and Front Camera, I preferred it to the HTC Titan and Titan 2 both of which I have owned & used, I was already very familiar with WP7 as owned a HD7 from day one so I knew exactly what to expect but got a few nice surprises with the Nokia software freebies, Design wise it is in a league of its own although not quite as cute as the Lumia 800, Nothing compares to it, I don't find it heavy at all, Battery life is good and performance wise it is very quick, It does everything I want and more, I am not fussed about it not getting a WP8 update and will be happy with the new home screen in WP7.8 along with whatever else they decide to throw in as long as it doesn't impair performance.

I like mine.
The first one I had was returned at about the 30 day mark when the capacitive buttons stopped working completely, but aside from that, it's been great.
I was expecting people to be complaining in here about the camera, lack of WP8 in the future, and the now-defunct data connection problem. Not sharp corners and unbearable heft @5.7oz. Geez.
Lack of home screen customization doesn't have to do with the Lumia 900 specifically; that's a well known, well publicized limitation of the OS itself and has been for eons. One would really assume that by now people would be talking about what they like and dislike about the phone as opposed to what they like and dislike about WP in threads specific to the phone like this. If people want to complain about WP7.X, there is a subforum for that.
My battery life has been great once I realized the MicroCell data connection was a huge drainer, calls are never dropped, I haven't had any forced restarts, and the hardware runs WP7.5 really quickly and smoothly.

Would you recommend this to someone coming from Android?
I'm on a budget and want something that's quick, expandable, and entertaining to use. The only thing that bothers me is the non HD screen, is it very noticeable?

as impopular as this might be, I'd say it's not a big issue.
HD films are too big to fit on the lumia anyway

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as impopular as this might be, I'd say it's not a big issue.
HD films are too big to fit on the lumia anyway
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Yeah, I never watched/loaded videos on my phone, I don't understand it. As long as I have YouTube, Pandora, and space for a few hundred songs I'm set lol. Btw, how's the DAC (audio) quality when listening through headphones? Are there equalizers available on the app store, market or whatever it is?

I prefer Lumia 900 over my iPhone 4S and Galaxy S2. Call quality and signal reception on this phone can't be beat. Believe or not Tango update actually has better management of LTE for me. I always have signal now, everywhere I go. Before Tango update, it was switching to 4G everytime I had one bar on LTE in places with bad reception even though LTE is much faster than 4G and has stronger signal; and 4G would crap out with no signal. Tango fixed that problem for me. My next phone is definitely a Nokia WP8. I don't see myself going back to Android. I would only switch to iPhone. Android isn't reliable enough for me and there are apps compatibility problems, especially in games. The thing I don't like about this phone is high background noise through headphone. I still have a Cowon J3 for music.

I absolutely love my Nokia Lumina 900. Everything is so perfect. Runs smooth my cyan 900 looks so cute and different. People at my work are always asking about my phone and want to play with my phone. Its the best WP7 I've had. I had an LG Incite and I loved that phone. Had a HTC HD7S and I loved that phone to death too! iOS and Android look so ugly. (and cheap because crappy tablets that sell at 50 dollars have android) was going to get the phone with beats audio but the biggest turn off was it had android. aside from not getting Windows Phone 8, I'm fine with that. Just waiting on a custom ROM with all languages like how I had for my HD7S using DeepShining.

I'm happpy with my Lumia 900. It's a great phone.
+ Battery life
+ Weight (the heaviness is a bonus; it feels durable and not cheap)
+ Size
+ Polycarbonate body + design
+ Screen quality, clear black technology
+ Windows Phone 7.5 (and 7.8 to come)
+ Nokia
- Light bleeding from capacitive buttons
- Clicking sound from bottom right hand side of the screen.
Overall I'd give the phone a 8.0/10. The minuses are unfortunate but don't occur in every phone, I was just unlucky I suppose.

My thoughts on switching from iOS/3GS to Android/HOX.

Hey xda,
So my last phone was a iPhone 3GS (16GB) that I used from October 2009 - April 2012. The phone did darn well and I've never had a phone that I've used that long, but again I never had a phone that expensive either before the 3GS. So iOS got damn boring, the phone got sluggish and there was something wrong with the sim card tray and the wifi hence I decided to pick up an Android phone which happens to be the HOX.
I've created this thread just to share my opinion on how its going on for me so far, how different it is using Android and the HOX. Keep in mind I am comparing a roughly 3 year old phone with the latest iOS to the HOX.
Honestly there isn't much I miss from iOS, maybe the ability to add more than 10 alarms(out of the box not talking about other apps), but thats all I can think of really. Maybe installous for you know what..
Android is just better than iOS in loads of ways, I'll list a few that strike me now and a few things I miss:
1)Setting a Custom Ringtone
This is a total pain in the ass in iOS. I would rather jailbreak my phone and get ringtones from cydia than make the mp3 I have a ringtone and connect a cable to phone and convert that cut mp3 to a ringtone file. Nonsense.
On the HOX I was able to trim a mp3 I had and make it a ringtone right off the phone, so convenient that is.
2)iTunes
I hate iTunes. I hate making my PC connect to my phone via iTunes and the whole sync bs that I've to go through. I like being able to copy paste songs, images and whatever I have than do all the crap required for an iPhone. I would use iTunes as a music player for my PC but thats about it, I hated dealing with it for my iPhone.
I know lots of people who "can't live" without iTunes, but I aint one of them. The best feature I like about iTunes is probably you installing a iTunes remote app to your iPhone and controlling your PC music off your phone via wifi, thats the best thing maybe.
Android is weird in a way though, I don't know if its now or it has always been this way but getting apps to your phone only via wifi? What if you don't have wifi? Play Store doesn't give me an option to download the app to my computer. iTunes and App store is better that way maybe.
3)Contacts
iCloud or whatever its called came to the iOS much much later than Android had their Google Contacts. Thats just too convenient. Besides who doesn't have a gmail account these days? And all you have to do to get your settings and contacts back is add your google account. Thats just too convenient. Android is a pure winner that way imo.
One thing I hate though is the really crap quality photos that get synced to Google Contacts and sometimes how Contacts isn't smart enough to link contacts properly.
Eg:I have [email protected] in my Gmail and Abc from my contacts. It will show up as [email protected] instead of Abc
4)Play Store
I mentioned not liking the fact I can't get an app on my pc and then transfer it to my phone, but one thing that I like about the play store is being able to start/queue app downloads on my phone without even touching it.
5)Lockscreen
Lockscreen for Android is just more productive. iOS added that camera shortcut recently. I think its sense, but its damn cool to be able to access any four apps I want directly from the lockscreen.
6)Alarms
I need loads of alarms to wake up, and iOS allowed me to put a lot of them. I used to have 30-40 a day. Sense/Android does not allow more than 10 out of the box.
7)Widgets
Its nice to have widgets rather than a whole bunch of apps to scroll through.
8)Music
I could access iPod or music in iOS just by double tapping the home-screen button twice. There's no such thing possible on the HOX.
9)Airplane Mode
Switching to Airplane mode was faster on iOS than Android. But thats something I can live with xD.
10)Hotspot
Creating a hotspot was easy for iPhone 4 or 4S but wasn't possible on the 3GS unless you got an app from cydia called myWI. Thats just ridiculous imo. Setting a iOS restraint on a older device.
11)Keyboard
Even though the screen of the HOX is huge compared to the 3GS, the iOS keyboard has a bigger spacebar to tap on. With the stock keyboard on the HOX I kept missing space and hitting '.'.
But then again Android you can choose amongst so many keyboards without any hassle. I used swiftkey and now I'm using swype, both are awesome imo.
12)Customization
There’s lots of customization possible on Android, with or without rooting.
Things I miss about the 3GS:
1)Silent Button
This was just awesome imo, every "phone" should have this.
2)Battery
It did give me much more battery life than the HOX smaller screen or not.
3)Top-notch Hardware?
I used, fiddled and played with the Silent button on the iPhone a lot for around 800 days and it was still perfect. The lock button was good too.
The home button wasn't responsive after a year or so but still very usable towards the end. The sim card tray was cheap and messed up towards the end.
But I dropped it a LOT of times and even in small puddles of water I remember and it survived all that.
The HOX on the other hand, has this weird buzz/noise after a haptic feedback response. There's a rattling sound if I shake the phone. One corner near the capacitative panel was creaking in the beginning, seems fixed or maybe I don't notice it anymore. I dropped the HOX once and there's this tiny crack in the corner. I really hope it lasts me at least 2 years.
4)Heating or rather Cooling
I played a lot of games on my iPhone, it did get a little heated after gaming for 30 minutes straight or so but thats it.
HOX gets so heated after using a browser on 2G for 20 minutes? Also gets heated while gaming. Gets heated so much that it doesn't charge, thats just a complete annoyance to me.
Besides I have to choose between charging my phone and using my phone, thats damn stupid. I've read that the 2.05 leak fixes this, I'm on ARHD 7.1.0 which is based on the leak and I've still faced the heating problems.
I know its packing a quad-core in such a slim device there isn't much space for cooling but then again if heating problems like those are to be faced then this chip Tegra3 doesn't belong in a phone.
5)Speaker
The speaker on the 3GS was placed at the bottom edge whereas the One X has it’s speaker placed at the back which is quite easy to block. The speaker placement and quality of the 3GS was undoubtedly better.
6)Charging Speed
3GS charged faster than the HOX. I’ve read the 2.05 base it charges faster, have yet to see that.
7)Software Support from Manufacturer
3GS is probably the only iPhone that will get 3 updates it came with 3 and got updates to 4 and 5 and is getting a update to 6 too. I doubt I’ll see that much from HTC.
What I like about the HOX:
It would have been easy to figure from my above statements that I like Android better than iOS, now its time to list a few things that I like about the HOX.
1)Camera
I love the Camera on this thing, I’m not a pro photographer or anything but the camera on this is really awesome. And it has a flash, my 3GS didn’t have a flash but my phones before the 3GS did so that was pretty odd.
2)The Screen
The Screen is just gorgeous on this. Its a pleasure to watch videos or look at pictures or use the internet. Most impressive.
3)Body
I like the matte body of the HOX and how solid it feels. The only gripe regarding the body would be the protruding camera lens that is easy to scratch. I haven’t put on a screen protector yet as I’ve read most of them don’t cover the screen completely because of the curved edges.
4)micro-USB port
This is a really really handy thing because not everyone I hang out with will have a iPhone charger, but most of the phones have a micro-USB port so theres a good change of finding that at a friend or relative’s place.
5)Quad-Core Fast
I love the speed of the HOX, I doubt I will ever feel it becoming sluggish. I plan to underclock/undervolt it to get more battery life once I figure out how.
6)32GB
26GB but yea, its a huge plus to have that much data storage.
7)Dev and Community Support
It feels really really good to have so much support from this awesome xda community and developers. One of the really good parts of getting this phone is the awesome support and multitude of custom roms, tweaks and mods available.
8)THD Games
I’m not a fan of games on touch screen phones anymore unless its an arcade game, but THD powered games are a plus no doubt, just doesn’t matter to me.
Things I wish are fixed with the HOX would be heating problems and better battery life. I’m going to try undervolting to get more battery life once I figure out how. But thats it. I’ve been taking good care of the phone, have ordered a Rock TPU case for it.
Thats it guys. Thank you XDA for all the support and more that will come.

That was a nice objective comparison, thanks.
With regards to updates, Apple have produced 5 phones in 5 years, it's easier for them to produce updates for longer. I think HTC are going to be producing fewer phones now, maybe that will help.
You'll find the community here will create updates for a while, I think the One X is going to have a large, active community for quite some time.
Personally I don't have the overheating problems that some do, been using the phone for an hour and it's barely warmer than the back of my hand.

Hi
Just a couple of things I picked up on:
You can add a widget (there a several of them supplied by HTC which are just buttons essentially) which will allow to switch flight mode with one button press. There is also a profile button which will lot you switch to silent or vibrate mode easily as well.
Regards
Phil

You're right, it is easier for Apple to get out updates more than HTC or others but it is something I'll miss i.e Official Support
But then we have awesome devs here so all is good

PhilipL said:
Hi
Just a couple of things I picked up on:
You can add a widget (there a several of them supplied by HTC which are just buttons essentially) which will allow to switch flight mode with one button press. There is also a profile button which will lot you switch to silent or vibrate mode easily as well.
Regards
Phil
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Hey Phil,
I know about those widgets, I'm using them. Still switching to Airplane mode is slower i.e the time it takes for all connections to go off is slower vs airplane mode on iOS (or atleast what iOS shows)
And regarding the widget for silent mode, I'm using that too . Just nothing beats a hardware button to put your phone on silent mode.

death__machine said:
Hey Phil,
I know about those widgets, I'm using them. Still switching to Airplane mode is slower i.e the time it takes for all connections to go off is slower vs airplane mode on iOS (or atleast what iOS shows)
And regarding the widget for silent mode, I'm using that too . Just nothing beats a hardware button to put your phone on silent mode.
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We can using the volume keys I know it's not the same but technically near enough, it is good though I've got the same button on the iPad and although useless for that device pretty cool you can switch quickly.
But plenty of widgets available to achieve the desired result.
Good write up on both OS's. Both have their pros and cons and it's good to see no fanboy bashing of either device.
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thank you for the senseful and nag free comments

Thanks for that honest and fair report.
Just picking up on your comment regarding Google compressing image backups.
I recommend getting dropbox that will automatically backup your photos without any compression or alteration whatsoever.
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You can customise till you drop on Android devices. For example with a custom rom like viperX, you can customise the buttons for example long press home and you can assign an action or even launch an app, or just use apex launcher or nova launcher no root needed for these and you can apply gestures, so swiping up can open the music app. I find these gestures very useful for my commonly used actions, I've got swipe down to show me battery, swipe up to open my music, etc and you can even put gestures on the dock icons.
That will give you back some functionality you had with the double tap home button on iOS.
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I think if a person is kind of more than an casual user - want to study how to root, install custom staff..., would love android more. If he just picks a phone from store, then use it, better to take iphone

Thank guys. I was going for a unbiased opinion.
@nikzdhd
Yea the silent button works as a orientation lock for the iPad so its damn handy.
I'll try to get some gestures running soon, there was a similar thing on iOS after JBing it, called Activator. My Android Journey has just begun haha xD
@hamdir
Anything about the One X has to be 'sense'ful imo
I'm not the type to bash on this device without any reason. I love the One X. Despite the haptic feedback noise and stuck pixel I'm not that keen on getting it exchanged.
@stuart001
Dropbox will backup my pics with the same quality, that I've seen but I was talking about how the Photos I snapped with my phone and assigned to a contact get converted or compressed when synced with Google Contacts.
@1phuong
You're right about picking an iPhone if you're not going to mess around with it and want out of the box functionality. Thats why I even recommend iPhone over Android phones to people who aren't that keen on f***ing around with custom roms and kernels to get more out of their device .i.e if they're not geeks
However there are still loads of people who are geeks but go for iPhones either because of their fanboyism or their ignorance to how cool Android is.
Beyond a point there isn't much you can do in iOS but Android is just awesome. There's loads more of messing around I have yet to do. Undervolting is one of them xD.

death__machine said:
Thank guys. I was going for a unbiased opinion.
@nikzdhd
Yea the silent button works as a orientation lock for the iPad so its damn handy.
I'll try to get some gestures running soon, there was a similar thing on iOS after JBing it, called Activator. My Android Journey has just begun haha xD
@hamdir
Anything about the One X has to be 'sense'ful imo
I'm not the type to bash on this device without any reason. I love the One X. Despite the haptic feedback noise and stuck pixel I'm not that keen on getting it exchanged.
@stuart001
Dropbox will backup my pics with the same quality, that I've seen but I was talking about how the Photos I snapped with my phone and assigned to a contact get converted or compressed when synced with Google Contacts.
@1phuong
You're right about picking an iPhone if you're not going to mess around with it and want out of the box functionality. Thats why I even recommend iPhone over Android phones to people who aren't that keen on f***ing around with custom roms and kernels to get more out of their device .i.e if they're not geeks
However there are still loads of people who are geeks but go for iPhones either because of their fanboyism or their ignorance to how cool Android is.
Beyond a point there isn't much you can do in iOS but Android is just awesome. There's loads more of messing around I have yet to do. Undervolting is one of them xD.
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really awesome given that you dont even use this device for its gaming power even!
i always have trouble with iOS people and that is they fail to see the bright side and just nag about the lack or imperfections of the things they loved the most on iOS
and i tell them if you want it exactly like iOS why did u even switch..

There is a reason behind not being able to download an app to your pc and then sync it to your phone. The compatibility filtering is done by the play store, so if you have one phone with hw keyboard and one without hw keyboard you'll be able to install an app which requires hw keyboard (or specific screen size, or whatever) on both phones regardless of their compatibility. If you have filtering on the pc, then you'll have to have an Android iTunes equivalent and noone wants that, right ?
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hamdir said:
really awesome given that you dont even use this device for its gaming power even!
i always have trouble with iOS people and that is they fail to see the bright side and just nag about the lack or imperfections of the things they loved the most on iOS
and i tell them if you want it exactly like iOS why did u even switch..
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Well the main problem with most 'iOS people' lol xD is that they're the type to believe that Apple cannot make a mistake whatsoever and "It is the best". Wrong that attitude is. Its not only iPhones, its these Apple Fanboys in general. There are these rich pricks who who'll go get a 15" MacBook Pro to do what? Surf the web, make word docs and ppts max.
On the other hand if a person into video/graphics editing comes and asks me if an MBP is good, I give them a go ahead because of the kickass softwares that OSX has for them such as FCP etc.
Coming back to iDevices, 4S was horrible upgrade. Old design with a new camera, processor and a beta voice assistant, no thanks.
They're running out of innovations imo. They shoved a retina display for their new iPad and even the MacBooks. Wtf really? I had no problem whatsoever with the iPad 2 display(used a friends iPad 2 quite a bit). It was gorgeous imo, they didn't need to make it retina. Same goes for the MBP, didn't have a problem with that display either. Maybe its the lack of Steve Jobs but Apple has failed to impress me lately. iOS6 doesn't seem that great to me.
HTC really upped them by coming out with this beautiful design that is the One x . They should have put prettier packaging though xP

tkolev said:
There is a reason behind not being able to download an app to your pc and then sync it to your phone. The compatibility filtering is done by the play store, so if you have one phone with hw keyboard and one without hw keyboard you'll be able to install an app which requires hw keyboard (or specific screen size, or whatever) on both phones regardless of their compatibility. If you have filtering on the pc, then you'll have to have an Android iTunes equivalent and noone wants that, right ?
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That makes a lot of sense. Thank you. But they still should give an option to custom filter out a .apk from the online play store maybe?
I'll tell you why I'm stressing on this. I wanted to download this game which was around 500mb in size and I didn't have wifi then, all I had was a 2G plan on my phone and access to internet via ethernet. Downloading off 2G would have taken ages and 3G consumption would have set me back by quite some money. It made sense to get the .apk from the comp and then transfer it but I couldn't.

You could have always used internet pass through?
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death__machine said:
That makes a lot of sense. Thank you. But they still should give an option to custom filter out a .apk from the online play store maybe?
I'll tell you why I'm stressing on this. I wanted to download this game which was around 500mb in size and I didn't have wifi then, all I had was a 2G plan on my phone and access to internet via ethernet. Downloading off 2G would have taken ages and 3G consumption would have set me back by quite some money. It made sense to get the .apk from the comp and then transfer it but I couldn't.
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No app will ever be 500 MB What you need to do is download that app (around 10-15 MB) and it will download data that goes into SDcard. You can download that data from PC too if you know what to search

death__machine said:
Well the main problem with most 'iOS people' lol xD is that they're the type to believe that Apple cannot make a mistake whatsoever and "It is the best". Wrong that attitude is. Its not only iPhones, its these Apple Fanboys in general. There are these rich pricks who who'll go get a 15" MacBook Pro to do what? Surf the web, make word docs and ppts max.
On the other hand if a person into video/graphics editing comes and asks me if an MBP is good, I give them a go ahead because of the kickass softwares that OSX has for them such as FCP etc.
Coming back to iDevices, 4S was horrible upgrade. Old design with a new camera, processor and a beta voice assistant, no thanks.
They're running out of innovations imo. They shoved a retina display for their new iPad and even the MacBooks. Wtf really? I had no problem whatsoever with the iPad 2 display(used a friends iPad 2 quite a bit). It was gorgeous imo, they didn't need to make it retina. Same goes for the MBP, didn't have a problem with that display either. Maybe its the lack of Steve Jobs but Apple has failed to impress me lately. iOS6 doesn't seem that great to me.
HTC really upped them by coming out with this beautiful design that is the One x . They should have put prettier packaging though xP
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no im a fan of all this retina push but not in the case where they fail to produce the same ipad2 game graphics on ipad3 due to the massive amount of pixels, like one reviewer said if this happens in ps/xbox land where the new machine fails to run the game of the previous gen in the same quality, it would be a disaster
everything you said about apple people is true and its really sickening and tiring, in life you have tons of choice in every consumer thing you purchase
every product has its ups and down, yet iPeople they gather in the corner all holding the exact same thing and giggle at everyone else
its insulting, spoiled and ignorant
apple products their presnesation and videos, have some sort of psychological effect or something, the elite thing
believe me i have no problem in trying iPhone 5 if it was worth it but i wouldn't simply because i hate to be part of that group and accept the monopoly Apple is aggressively pursuing, its almost like dictatorship
mac book pro, same old same old since ages now, the lack of "change" is seriously boring, and why is originality and "change" something that the critics consider in their review, a perfect game might get a bad score for not being new or original and yet in the apple land, its not an issue

@CoSaWa What do you mean by internet pass through?
@realunited123 yes the app was small, but the download that the app had to do was 500mb or so .. I tried looking for .apks, but it was too much work or maybe I didn't look in the right places.

death__machine said:
@CoSaWa What do you mean by internet pass through?
@realunited123 yes the app was small, but the download that the app had to do was 500mb or so .. I tried looking for .apks, but it was too much work or maybe I didn't look in the right places.
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Internet pass through : Connect your phone to PC, select internet pass through from notification bar. Lets you transfer data through PC network.

May I know how come no xperia play replacement?

It boggles my mind to think there has been no xperia play current. What stops other manufacturers (eg. samsung?) from making a similar phone? Is there a patent issue? license problem? there is a market for it, and technology is there.

There are replacements, made buy companies in shenzhen, china.
The most recent is the 78p01 or MUCH w1 I just bought it from aliexpress.com and it will be shipped in the coming weeks. I am excited to try it out. As the last MUCH product i bought was better than expected

I never knew that. I never check the forum for the updates. thanks for you input
I was keen on known manufacturers.

fenix8 said:
I never knew that. I never check the forum for the updates. thanks for you input
I was keen on known manufacturers.
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Much W1 / iReadyGo 78dian p01 Gaming Phone - Quic…: http://youtu.be/QvfvqGr26P4
Looks good to me.

those chinese phones look hideous. the controls sticking out and the size just ain't doing it for me. looks like a psp first generation step child. 3g only? that's worse than the 4g play.

I actually like the design. I think it is the best designed gaming phone since the xperia play. Can't wait to try it out.
I guess it is different strokes for different folks.

Yes. The design is good, but I read from another forum that this device has showed many problems. I quote the user here:
"Now that I've used the device for a few days, I regret purchasing it, here's why:
*The analogues have a huge deadzone, it doesn't feel comfortable using them
*The L shoulder button feels different to the R shoulder button. The L shoulder button feels soft and easy to press, whereas the R shoulder button clicks down and sometimes gets caught.
*The battery cover doesnt fit on properly, its missing a clip or something
*Battery life is TERRIBLE, one moment its on 50% idle, one hour later its dead (FROM NOT USING IT)
*Frequent disconnects from wifi, the internet doesnt work properly, I'm having to reboot the device to get it to run again.
*Frequent app crashes, reboots
*SD Card JUST NOW refuses to register for no reason, the device just doesn't read it anymore.
*Phone features are in chinese, with no language settings
Very disappointed with the device, it doens't help that theres also no english support for this phone, very frustrating."
I hope this issue will be resolved.

The much i5 is better than the w1 Imo, but harder to fit in your pocket. Maybe you can stick with your old xperia play.
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thanks. I am

fenix8 said:
thanks. I am
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fenix8, you have a W1? Gold bezel or chrome?