Is hboot worth it and how? - Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

I am debating on flashing my hboot as the idea of 100+MBs being wasted is killing me, plus I only have 31MB's left of internal memory with tons of apps running off my SD card.
I have been looking for tutorials and there seem to be a few different ways to do it and all methods seem to not fully explain (to me at least) what to do in full detail. I am a little nervous of bricking.
Is it really worth doing? Other than more space for apps are there any real benefits? Also the loss of cache isn't too appealing to me.
Anyone on here want to vent pros and cons and if you have a link to a detailed tutorial, please let me know.

nate51 said:
I am debating on flashing my hboot as the idea of 100+MBs being wasted is killing me, plus I only have 31MB's left of internal memory with tons of apps running off my SD card.
I have been looking for tutorials and there seem to be a few different ways to do it and all methods seem to not fully explain (to me at least) what to do in full detail. I am a little nervous of bricking.
Is it really worth doing? Other than more space for apps are there any real benefits? Also the loss of cache isn't too appealing to me.
Anyone on here want to vent pros and cons and if you have a link to a detailed tutorial, please let me know.
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Flashing an HBOOT is totally worth it
easisest way to do is
http://ichristaylor.com/how-to-flash-the-hboot-on-your-htc-desire/

i think only benefit (very huge benefit) is free space.

If you like to fiddle then having write access to system when the phone is running Android can be convenient. But repartitioning the internal storage is the big one.
You don't have to shrink the cache partition - the Bravo-Sense hboot will still give you 70MB more /data without changing /cache. But many ROMs contain work-arounds that redirect market downloads, so the reduced size of the cache partition isn't an issue. I've been using a 5MB cache for a few months now and don't notice the difference, apart from having more space. But this does depend on the ROM, so do your reading first.
Only real drawback of a small cache is that you can't flash a radio from recovery (really can't, don't even think of trying it!). However, you can use a single fastboot command to do it instead, which many reckon is the better/safer way to do it anyway.

Large Hadron said:
If you like to fiddle then having write access to system when the phone is running Android can be convenient. But repartitioning the internal storage is the big one.
You don't have to shrink the cache partition - the Bravo-Sense hboot will still give you 70MB more /data without changing /cache. But many ROMs contain work-arounds that redirect market downloads, so the reduced size of the cache partition isn't an issue. I've been using a 5MB cache for a few months now and don't notice the difference, apart from having more space. But this does depend on the ROM, so do your reading first.
Only real drawback of a small cache is that you can't flash a radio from recovery (really can't, don't even think of trying it!). However, you can use a single fastboot command to do it instead, which many reckon is the better/safer way to do it anyway.
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Well that brings up another question, I haven't flashed my stock radio and it seems to be running fine. How often do people flash their radios anyways?

its optional, do it only if you encounter any issues after flashing a ROM (no signal, wifi etc)
however i always update my radio to the newest just cause i like to have it up to date (not that i see any diffrence in the newest and the one from official FroYo.

vashishtuday said:
Flashing an HBOOT is totally worth it
easisest way to do is
http://ichristaylor.com/how-to-flash-the-hboot-on-your-htc-desire/
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Question about this link. All the tutorials I see *the above link to ichristalylor* and alpharev seem to start off the tutorials with security off (s-off) is this correct? Or does the software "fastboot commander" do this for you when you start?
I think that's the only confusing part about these tutorials for me is I cannot figure out if s-off needs to be in place once you start the tutorials (yes I understand this is some hand holding here) I just find the tutorials vague about this issue. But once I figure out the s-off issue the rest seems to be pretty simple to follow.

Ok so I finally manned up and took the plunge, it was nerve racking at times but surprisingly easy to do. I hope this post helps others out there as I feel there is very little details out there.
- First step is to turn on USB Debugging on your phone 'Settings > Applications > Development > USB Debugging.
- Now run a backup on your phone before anything else this will save all the settings apps and your OS.
- Next step is you need to turn S-OFF, I did this by following the instructions here for me these details worked the best and were clear step by step.
- Next I changed my splash screen (*optional) by using 'Fastboot Commander' thanks to vashishtuday for the link, it provided software links and a rough detailed outline of how to use the software but once you are in fastboot on your phone the rest is pretty self explanatory on the software. Link Here
- And the next step I took was to use 'Fastboot Commander' again to actually run the partition file I downloaded from AlphaRev I read on one forum that a person was able to save the PB99IMG.zip file to their SD and run Fastboot on their phone and it automatically did everything for them. I did not have success with that method so I used Fastboot Commander.
- Once complete I used the software to power down the phone *Now for this step I am not 100% sure if it's safe for others to do but it worked for me* my phone restarted even though I requested it to shut down. It stuck on the loading splash screen so I pulled the battery restarted into recovery and ran a recovery of my backup and after it was complete my phone was back to normal with lots more space on the internal partition.
*Note from Parva4: If you flash your hboot, do some research before flashing your radio as some of the new hboot partitions cache are too small to hold the radio flash information and you could end up bricking your phone, if you have a new hboot partition use fastboot to flash your radios.
I hope this information helps those who are looking for a more step by step detail description. I am tempted to do a full write up with with step by step details but I feel as though this information and the links provided should be good.

I'll add one thing to this. Going S-Off is an equally simple affair to rooting the phone. S-Off allows you to use different hboots with different roms (that's a story in itself).
Now, one thing you'll often see is that the 'latest' radio file is often recommended for use with most roms, certainly the HD roms. Firstly, try the rom without updating the radio, in 90% of cases your phone will be fine. More importantly, Do NOT flash the radio file from the phone via recovery if you are using custom partitions (like CM7). It's possible that you have insufficient cache space (~30Mb required) to install it and you WILL brick the phone if this fails.
There are workarounds (flash the radio file from fastboot for eg.) but it's imperitive that you do this prior to finding out the hard way! I've flashed radio files several times with no issue, fortunately I was running a stock hboot! I have ventured into CM7 hboot and stuff and was lucky not to change the radio whilst I was on it knowing what I know now!
Do your research gentlemen!

Parva4 said:
I'll add one thing to this. Going S-Off is an equally simple affair to rooting the phone. S-Off allows you to use different hboots with different roms (that's a story in itself).
Now, one thing you'll often see is that the 'latest' radio file is often recommended for use with most roms, certainly the HD roms. Firstly, try the rom without updating the radio, in 90% of cases your phone will be fine. More importantly, Do NOT flash the radio file from the phone via recovery if you are using custom partitions (like CM7). It's possible that you have insufficient cache space (~30Mb required) to install it and you WILL brick the phone if this fails.
There are workarounds (flash the radio file from fastboot for eg.) but it's imperitive that you do this prior to finding out the hard way! I've flashed radio files several times with no issue, fortunately I was running a stock hboot! I have ventured into CM7 hboot and stuff and was lucky not to change the radio whilst I was on it knowing what I know now!
Do your research gentlemen!
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Good reminder Parva4! I edited my last post to reflect.

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[Q] very new to htc and smartphones and i don't know anything, i need HELP

hi everybody you guys are geniuses!
i m new to this whole spartphone thing! i just bought my htc evo and i m trying to root it but i don t even know the basics! what is a flash and how do i flash? what is sd configuration and how do i do that! how do i do backup ;nandroid backup?what is a kernel and how to put it into my rom!! basicly i need all the info from the begining until i run a custom rom! i really need help on this one! thank you!
Google is your friend
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Google is your friend
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There are plenty of people around here that like to help, but asking to have the entire android guide spelled out for ya is a bit much. Go search and read up on what you can understand, then read a little further. When it starts to get confusing again, come back and ask a specific question or two. You will get a lot more help that way.
That s why I m asking! I did look it up, and it s confusing
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utzu said:
That s why I m asking! I did look it up, and it s confusing
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You gotta look up the tutorials. Flashing means moving something to your SD card and installing it.
unrevoked is kinda advanced since ur brand new..search on youtube for how to root evo 4g
swyped htc supersonic
stay stock
Google the basics . Most people don't have time to explain everything to you. There is a lot to learn, and I would advise you to not mod your phone unless its something you like to do. Your home work too google.
What is : nand recovery, back up, restore
What is: flashing
What is: recovery
What is: sd card, what is stored on it
What is a : rom
What is a :kernel
How do I flash them?
Learn what a ".apk" file is
What two recoveries do you have to choose from?
What is root? And its history (where it came from)
What is "su command"
What is "s" off and "s" on
Like I said, if you don't like too do this stuff and aren't a geek like the rest of us then I wouldn't bother, it takes a lot of reading and learning, one thing we all have in common is we are all still learning.
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Honestly, I would love to help, but you are asking too much. It takes weeks, months, even years to get fully acquainted with android and hacking it, especially if this is your first smartphone. If I were you, I would enjoy being stock for now. Once you figure out how to use either terminal or command prompt (Mac or pc, in that order) then maybe start making gradual changes. If you need ANY actual help, pm me as you would not be the first noob i helped. I consider it my duty (ha). Take developments from the experts, give info to the noobs. Really, get familiar with everything, look up some stuff, watch some videos, and if you still need any help, shoot me or another one of the experienced and helpful devs at the xda a pm (private message. Click their name and it will give you the option.) and you will be helped, I garuntee it.
utzu said:
hi everybody you guys are geniuses!
i m new to this whole spartphone thing! i just bought my htc evo and i m trying to root it but i don t even know the basics! what is a flash and how do i flash? what is sd configuration and how do i do that! how do i do backup ;nandroid backup?what is a kernel and how to put it into my rom!! basicly i need all the info from the begining until i run a custom rom! i really need help on this one! thank you!
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Hahahaha really! I mean c'mon did you even read any of the sticky's (threads at the very top of the forums)? Youll be amazed that all or most of your answers are there..
Heres a link to get you started read the page and click the links and read some more.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/index.php?title=HTC_Supersonic&useskin=vector
Not picking on ya but you need to understand the basics on yor own because its likely your phone will get messed up if you dont, and you are the only one to blame if it does. Thays why its important to fully understand what you are doing, remember flashing anything to your phone WILL void the warrantee if you screw up so be carefull.
Read for a month!
Read up on everything for a month, then start your EVO hacking experience!
Here are a few that are great starting points:
Common Misconceptions and Info
HTC EVO WIKI
How To Use These Forums
How To Search XDA
Helpful/Popular Threads
REMEMBER! - Any question you are thinking to ask, has most likely been asked and answered before on these forums SO SEARCH!
Good luck, and welcome!
I would start here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=706411
once you get that done the custom recovery is installed things will be much easier
I used that root method one my replacement evo and it worked just fine.
BrianDigital said:
I would start here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=706411
once you get that done the custom recovery is installed things will be much easier
I used that root method one my replacement evo and it worked just fine.
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This is if the OP does NOT have Android v2.2.
OP - If you go this route you will need to downgrade in Regaw's 2.2 ROOT METHOD, but stop before using unRevoked.
I am in an overly good mood today so i will help out with some basic information
What is : nand recovery, back up, restore - A nand back up is basically a way to back up your phone its rom and settings. a nand restore uses the a nand back up you made to put your phone back to where is was when you made the nand back up (think about a restore point on a windows computer very similar concept).
What is: flashing - Flashing is the process used to install system files. this is usually done through a recovery which i will get into below. the reason it is called flashing and not installing is because it needs to be done through recovery and is a slightly different process but in more basic terms it is basically installing your rom or radio or other system critical pieces onto the phones internal memory.
What is: recovery - a recovery is basically a program that lets you access some advanced system features, these include nand back up and restore, wiping cache, data, and dalvik, and the ability to flash (install) certain files to your phone. to get into a recovery with your phone off hold volume down and the power button you will load to a white screen with several options (this is the hboot or bootloader) select recovery.
What is: sd card, what is stored on it - Out of the gate your sd card is set up as it should be. their are a few reason you might change this however with 2.2 it has become less of a need and i recommend just leaving it be. The main reason people configure there sdcards is to allow a script called apps2sd to work. what this does is it allows you to store all your apps on the sd card they are normally stored on the phones internal memory. Froyo or 2.2 (the android os version on your phone) has the ability to allow apps to move to your sd card through the settings. now this doesn't work for all apps as it has to be turned on by the app creator but many it will. Because of this i would leave your sdcard alone while you learn the ropes.
What is a : rom - a rom is basically the operating system of your phone. what a rom does is replace the default os with a custom one that has been tweaked or built by a developer. this is the piece of the phone you interact with.
What is a :kernel a kernel is basically the software that translates what you do in the rom to the hardware. think of it as the phones steering wheel. you let the phone to do this and the kernel interprets it so the hardware knows what to do,
How do I flash them? To flash files is relatively easy you place them on the root of your sd card (basically drag and rop onto the sd card but not in any folder). then you boot into the recovery. in the recovery you shoudl be able to find the options to wipe cache, wipe data/factory and wipe dalvik. you select each of these and then yuo select flash .zip from sd. next you scroll to the file you want to flash (the rom or kernel etc you want) and select it (normally power button) you should then flash the rom. once it is flashed select back until you see reboot phone and then reboot it and you should boot up with your new rom.
What is "s" off and "s" on - s on and s off is basically the way you can tell you are rooted in the bootloader (or hboot i talked about above) at the very top you should see one of these options. what these mean is whether your phone requires a signed file (s on) or whether it can flash unsigned files (s off). for now just consider a signed file as an official file with an unsigned file being unofficial or modded.
Now hopefully this explains a bit of the basics better and gives you enough information to better understand what is going on. My recommendation is to take the steps to root flash etc 1 at a time it is easy to read through all the instructions and go wow this is confusing. it really isnt as bad as it seems and as long as you follow each step you should be fine. just do exactly what each step tells you to do and dont worry about the next steps till you are there. you still have a lot to learn and the best way you can learn it is by searching the forums think of it as your library.
many people are glad to help however as you can see from some of the posts it is expected that you at least try to learn and research things for yourself. if you get stuck on something ask and you will normally get an answer just try remember if you cant take the time to search and research things you shouldn't expect others to take the time to help. i'm not saying you did i ma jsut giving advice for the future.
anyway best of luck and hopefully this will get you in the right direction.
NOTE: i have "dumbed" down some of the explanations to give the jiest of the idea with out getting to technical so for those that are more technical it is on purposse.

Confirm Steps & Apps to Install New ROM on G2 (Mimicry 1.3.2)

I have had my G2 for about 18 months and have been running into a lot of issues recently. I've decided to fix those issues by rooting & getting a new ROM installed. I'm a tech savvy guy, but have not done anything on the phone end due to not wanting to break whats working. I've decided to go with the Mimicry 1.3.2 ROM since the install process uses Aroma and is very straight forward. Before I pull the trigger, I just want to make sure I have all the steps clear so that I don't go "Oh sh**" in the middle because I missed a step. There's also a couple of steps that I'm not clear on. Here's what I researched:
-Root phone using HTC's bootloader unlocker
-Format phone's flash memory to EXT4
--What is the best app to do this with? Will my phone work with Gingerbread after I make this change?
-Download Mimicry 1.3.2 and Google Apps put the zip files on my phone (not SD card)
-Power off phone and then push the volume down and power buttons together and choose to install the ROM
-Answer prompts in Aroma (including installing WiFi calling)
-Flash Google apps
--How exactly is that done?
-Restart phone and start setting up apps again.
Does that look correct and is there anything that I'm missing? Thank you in advance for your help.
Well first off I would stay away from HTC official unlocked bootloader, its worthless and will give you headaches in the future
use the wiki to root, either follow the wiki in cyanogen or here on xda, if you even slightly tech savvy it will be easy
following that guide you will have clockwork recovery, but I suggest moving to 4ext recovery, among many reasons is the ability to format to ext4. Otherwise the next easiest way to format would be to flash a super wipe script with ext4 format written to it (just search xda and you'll find it easier)
Now after you are rooted with an engineering s-off hboot consider flash the .19 radio, not super important but many find this to have the best reception and battery life.
Next make sure your SD card is fat32, I also suggest an ext4 partition there as well (easily done through recovery) but skip the swap
Now feel free to flash mimicry, and may I add this is one other best ICS Roms for the vision, and blk_jck is a very helpful Dev as well.
Good luck, if you run into issues there will be answers all over xda, just search a bit, happy flashing!
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Thanks for the heads up on the HTC bootloader. I'll check out the Wiki on how to PermRoot my phone.
Mimicry, recovery, soft bricks, and new ROM
Agree with demkantor, the step-by-steps so painstakingly described in cyanwiki are your best bet.
Likewise, using 4ext in place of clockwork is also my recommendation, as I've used both now and
find the latter more polished and stable.
I recently rooted and updated for the first time. Got successfully as far as ICS using cyan's instruction,
then decided to use mimicry after reading about the radio updates etc posted by madmaxx. I think the sequence in which i
carried these out was flawed, because after updating the radio instruction sets, I re-flashed mimicry to take advantage of the
updated radio features and to install the wi-fi telephony; that was my downfall. I got caught in a boot-loop. Oh sh*t, indeed.
I could not, for the life of me, get past the HTC white screen. Being a total noob, I had no
idea where to go to next. I searched this website and cyan's a lot, and realised the term for what I now had was a 'soft
brick' or 'semi brick'. Could not get the device to be recognised via ADB, and could not access the sdcard directory.
I scratched my head for a few days (I had bought another phone prior to playing with the old G2), and came up with the
idea of just accessing the sdcard via my laptop, directly. In the midst of this, I turned on the phone (after taking the card
out), and voila, the phone now cycled into engineering hboot !
I subsequently was able to edit the sdcard directly via the laptop (using an micro sd card adapter), and removed the pc10?.img file
that was left over the radio update. Having recovered to this point, I re-flashed mimicry 1.3.1 (via 4ext) and so was able to get a completely
functional phone again.
The point of all of the is this: 1. To all the previous post-ers, both here and at cyanwiki...You guys rock. Can't say that enough. Even more:
2. A 'soft brick' may be anything but...a little bit of not-very-complicated experimentation afterward can pay off big time. Lastly, I tried
mimicry 1.3.2, but kept getting a heap of error messages. Needless to say, I was a bit spooked by the previous stuff-up, so I quickly reverted
to 1.3.1, which appears to be 100% stable (IMHO).
Cheers
1.3.2 adds few framework level changes and no device level changes. Definitely nothing that should cause errors or problems booting anyway.
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timram said:
Agree with demkantor, the step-by-steps so painstakingly described in cyanwiki are your best bet.
Likewise, using 4ext in place of clockwork is also my recommendation, as I've used both now and
find the latter more polished and stable.
I recently rooted and updated for the first time. Got successfully as far as ICS using cyan's instruction,
then decided to use mimicry after reading about the radio updates etc posted by madmaxx. I think the sequence in which i
carried these out was flawed, because after updating the radio instruction sets, I re-flashed mimicry to take advantage of the
updated radio features and to install the wi-fi telephony; that was my downfall. I got caught in a boot-loop. Oh sh*t, indeed.
I could not, for the life of me, get past the HTC white screen. Being a total noob, I had no
idea where to go to next. I searched this website and cyan's a lot, and realised the term for what I now had was a 'soft
brick' or 'semi brick'. Could not get the device to be recognised via ADB, and could not access the sdcard directory.
I scratched my head for a few days (I had bought another phone prior to playing with the old G2), and came up with the
idea of just accessing the sdcard via my laptop, directly. In the midst of this, I turned on the phone (after taking the card
out), and voila, the phone now cycled into engineering hboot !
I subsequently was able to edit the sdcard directly via the laptop (using an micro sd card adapter), and removed the pc10?.img file
that was left over the radio update. Having recovered to this point, I re-flashed mimicry 1.3.1 (via 4ext) and so was able to get a completely
functional phone again.
The point of all of the is this: 1. To all the previous post-ers, both here and at cyanwiki...You guys rock. Can't say that enough. Even more:
2. A 'soft brick' may be anything but...a little bit of not-very-complicated experimentation afterward can pay off big time. Lastly, I tried
mimicry 1.3.2, but kept getting a heap of error messages. Needless to say, I was a bit spooked by the previous stuff-up, so I quickly reverted
to 1.3.1, which appears to be 100% stable (IMHO).
Cheers
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Thanks for that info. I am taking a look at the Cyanogen Wiki and seeing what I have to do. I'm thinking that I will jump directly to Mimicry 1.3.2 instead of installing Cyanogen 9 first. Hopefully that file doesn't hang out there and causes that boot loop to happen to me (thanks for that explanation, BTW).
So do I have to use that ClockworkMod to load the ROM, or does EXT4 do the same thing (as far as loading the rom goes)?
...where thanks is due
many thx, blk jack, I should have specifically mentioned your awesome contributions as well, and
have remedied with thanks meter as i came/come across it.
Will re-try the 1.3.2 shortly. If I run in to the same glitches, I will try and make note of the specific errors
(or any other bugs, for that matter) and let you know.
Use the following guide, it is incredibly simple yet swift. Contains root methods for both the DesireZ and the T-Mobile G2 :
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/wiki/TMobile_G2:_Rooting
Checking it out now
iamnoobie said:
Use the following guide, it is incredibly simple yet swift. Contains root methods for both the DesireZ and the T-Mobile G2 :
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I'm actually looking at that wiki right now. I just finished backing up all the contents on my SD card. I can't backup the apps on my phone since it's not rooted, and I can't use a backup app unless I'm root. So it looks like that is a catch 22. Personally, I don't mind wiping everything anyways since I'm going to be making the jump to ICS. I guess I'll have to beat all those levels in cut the rope again :crying:
@deadeye
actually, the only important bits are your contacts, sms's, phone logs, etc (if these matter to you), which i think you can backup via gmail. Additionally, any other (or all) files on the SD card, you should be able to just copy directly onto a folder in your laptop or desktop (see the post I made above). HTH.
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@deadeye
actually, the only important bits are your contacts, sms's, phone logs, etc (if these matter to you), which i think you can backup via gmail. Additionally, any other (or all) files on the SD card, you should be able to just copy directly onto a folder in your laptop or desktop (see the post I made above). HTH.
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Thanks for that. I've now downloaded the Android SDK and am now trying to test the connection to my G2 using adb. So far, no connection. Grrrr. I'm looking around now to see how to get my phone detected by adb since it doesn't seem to have anything on the cyanogen wiki.
you downloaded adb.exe from within the sdk right? find the folder it is in (usualy platform tools) hold shift right click within the folder and choose open command here
now type adb devices, you should se some letters and numbers that means you good if not need to trouble shoot some more
alternatively you can change the path within enviromental variables so you can open a cmd anywhere
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HTC Sync
demkantor said:
you downloaded adb.exe from within the sdk right? find the folder it is in (usualy platform tools) hold shift right click within the folder and choose open command here
now type adb devices, you should se some letters and numbers that means you good if not need to trouble shoot some more
alternatively you can change the path within enviromental variables so you can open a cmd anywhere
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I tried the adb devices command and it didn't return any connected devices. Looking in the xda wiki, they are saying that I need to have HTC Sync installed. I'm downloading that right now. They probably should put that in the cyanogenmod wiki also.
I got my phone detected by adb! I did some preliminary checking and I think I should be good to go on rooting. I think I will root my phone tomorrow when I have plenty of time to troubleshoot any issues that my come up.
This is just the thread I was looking for. I'm also an old (60) tech-savvy guy who has never rooted his phone, and was nervous about which set of rooting instructions (cyan-wiki or Setherio/Strawmetal?; the latter is more recently updated, seems a bit more detailed, and has newer versions of some utilities) which recovery, ClockworkMod or ext4, and which ROM, Cm9 unofficial or mimicry or even AOKP...
You all seem to feel cyan-wiki instructions better (right?) ext4 and mimicry... Shall I go for it? Last suggestions?
Thanks,
Dave
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prairie-dad said:
You all seem to feel cyan-wiki instructions better (right?) ext4 and mimicry... Shall I go for it? Last suggestions?
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Cyan wiki worked for me! (strawmetal didn't - I blame myself though).
ext4 and mimicry are what I'm running now (after going through CWM, CM 7.2 and CM9 RC1 & RC2) and I'm very happy with both. Mimicry is great!
prairie-dad said:
This is just the thread I was looking for. I'm also an old (60) tech-savvy guy who has never rooted his phone, and was nervous about which set of rooting instructions (cyan-wiki or Setherio/Strawmetal?; the latter is more recently updated, seems a bit more detailed, and has newer versions of some utilities) which recovery, ClockworkMod or ext4, and which ROM, Cm9 unofficial or mimicry or even AOKP...
You all seem to feel cyan-wiki instructions better (right?) ext4 and mimicry... Shall I go for it? Last suggestions?
Thanks,
Dave
Sent from my T-Mobile G2 using xda app-developers app
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setherios guide is just for the downgrade process
the cyanogen wiki, xda wiki, and strawmetals pdf guide are all more or less the same guide, just writen a tad differently
as for the recovery 4ext is far superior but feel free to switch recoveries later if it complicates thing, very easy to do
as for a rom choice there are many good ones and it will be hard to recommened one so try a few, make nandroid backups, and see where your prefernce lies. if you like ics then my personal opinions are elitemod ics or mimicry, both are great. don't care much for sense so you will have to explore by yourself on those (you will need the dz hboot if you want any sense roms - easily done)
if you want gingerbread try ilwt or elitemod cm7 (this is still the rom I almost always use, even curently)
have fun, read, read some more, search when stuck... this is should all be easy as you say your tech savvy - happy flashing!
Sent from my HTC Vision using xda premium
minor glitches, but rooted and s-off fine
demkantor said:
setherios guide is just for the downgrade process
the cyanogen wiki, xda wiki, and strawmetals pdf guide are all more or less the same guide, just writen a tad differently
as for the recovery 4ext is far superior but feel free to switch recoveries later if it complicates thing, very easy to do
as for a rom choice there are many good ones and it will be hard to recommened one so try a few, make nandroid backups, and see where your prefernce lies. if you like ics then my personal opinions are elitemod ics or mimicry, both are great. don't care much for sense so you will have to explore by yourself on those (you will need the dz hboot if you want any sense roms - easily done)
if you want gingerbread try ilwt or elitemod cm7 (this is still the rom I almost always use, even curently)
have fun, read, read some more, search when stuck... this is should all be easy as you say your tech savvy - happy flashing!
Sent from my HTC Vision using xda premium
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all went well till the very, very, very end. I went to reboot into clockwork recovery, and...nothing doing! holding down the trackball, volume down and power...and waiting and waiting...just got me into the bootloader with no option to go to recovery...just reboot, reboot the boot loader, and power down.
So I thought, maybe I somehow failed to get the recovery img where I wanted it...no big deal. I logged onto the old Market (this is 2.2, after all) and purchased 4ext (which is what seems to be everyone's choice) and installed it. Then I said I wanted to reboot with mimicry and gapps, hit "go," and...it rebooted into ClockworkMod Recovery...where it now sits, I assume backing up the existing system. Mimicry 1.3.2 and gapps images were sitting on my sdcard root, btw.
Very odd, and a little perplexing...I will wait it out a while before powering off and up again.
any thoughts? Must I remove clockwork mod manually (I assume that when I installed 4ext it made itselfthe default recovery method...) or does 4ext just sit atop Clockwork Mod...and what I am seeing now is normal...? I've been waiting a few minutes now, and see nothing but the Clockword Mod icon, the top hat.
Sigh...but pretty clearly almost all the way home.
Thanks to all,
dave
I've never used an app to install a recovery, always used fastboot.
But to answer your question 4ext does replace clockwork, it does not sit on top of it. Just downloading the app well... downloads the app. You must then go into the app and choose to download and install the recovery, after this from within the recovery flash your ROM (and gapps etc. If needed)
I have the 4ext app just for the purpose of supporting the Dev as anything that does me good deserves my money but I really have never bothered much with it so off hand I can't tell you the exact steps to do this but I'm sure it s very straight forward.
Good luck and let us know how all turns out
Sent from my Nexus 7 using xda premium
darn ClockWorkMod/4ext clash!
demkantor said:
I've never used an app to install a recovery, always used fastboot.
But to answer your question 4ext does replace clockwork, it does not sit on top of it. Just downloading the app well... downloads the app. You must then go into the app and choose to download and install the recovery, after this from within the recovery flash your ROM (and gapps etc. If needed)
I have the 4ext app just for the purpose of supporting the Dev as anything that does me good deserves my money but I really have never bothered much with it so off hand I can't tell you the exact steps to do this but I'm sure it s very straight forward.
Good luck and let us know how all turns out
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Thanks...I sat and looked at it for a while, then hit power, and up came the ClockworkMod menu...and did nothing. When I asked _it_ to load a zip from the sdcard...it still sat there stupidly...nice menu but no action. so I rebooted with trackball/volume-down and power...and still can't get to the bootloader menu...the only way is to attach via usb, and do adb reboot bootloader...which gives me a bootloader menu showing no recovery app...just the same options as before. ugh. I wonder what the recovery.img is...? I went through the steps of installing 4ext...and it said it had installed itself.
well, I will poke around a tad more...midnight now...at least I have a working phone on 2.2, rooted, S-OFF, etc.
dave
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Thanks...I sat and looked at it for a while, then hit power, and up came the ClockworkMod menu...and did nothing. When I asked _it_ to load a zip from the sdcard...it still sat there stupidly...nice menu but no action. so I rebooted with trackball/volume-down and power...and still can't get to the bootloader menu...the only way is to attach via usb, and do adb reboot bootloader...which gives me a bootloader menu showing no recovery app...just the same options as before. ugh. I wonder what the recovery.img is...? I went through the steps of installing 4ext...and it said it had installed itself.
well, I will poke around a tad more...midnight now...at least I have a working phone on 2.2, rooted, S-OFF, etc.
dave
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Mimicry is booting now. All good. I ended up using the clockwork mod version, 3. something, that I installed when following (too slavishly?) the CM wiki's instructions (otherwise excellent!) Then (and now) I have problems booting into the bootloader, and it doesn't show a recovery option... Running 4ext (which I purchased) seems to be great (looks really useful) until rebooting...when CWM comes up instead.
I kept using volume up or down to pick what I wanted, then pushed the power button to select...wrong! It's the trackball you click, which I only hit upon by accident. Once I got that working, I flashed mimicry and Gapps, and I am off to the races again.
Thanks to all, but I want to figure out what is with recovery for the future.
What buttons do I push to get to bootloader...so far all I have gotten to work is via USB cable and "dab reboot boot loader."
dave

[Q] Confused and terrified!!!!

hello.. i just flashed the pacman rom for my desire hd.. PACman-v19.3-BLINDNDUMB..
i go to about phone and there i see that Memory is only 594mb.. what does this mean.. the original ram is 768mb.. why has it reduced??
please help!!!!
nor do i have the paranoid settings option in my settings menu.. its getting really weired..
your phone never got to use all 700 whatever. With every phone, due to hardware/phone restrictions you'll never get all of it. E.G. the Note 2, packing 2 whopping gigabytes of ram only gets to use around 1.7 of that. HTC Is a little worse off, its DNA gets only 1.5 usable of the 2 gigabytes.
If you go back to stock, and install a separate task manager you'll see that you probably only get 610-620 (I think htc just shows how much is free, not how much is system accessible). 610-620 because it varies ROM by ROM, however the difference is very minimal, and it shouldn't make a difference. If you're really worried about speed, try out the Supercharger script (google for it). It might look a little intimidating, but youtube will help, the script itself asks you everything in a logical manner, and more importantly, you probably won't be able to screw up- the script just changes values around, at worst you just won't notice a terrible amount of improvements.
I forget where paranoid settings are located, but it's probably there.
Finally, RELAX. If worst comes to worst, and you really screw up, you can just flash the original rom .zip on top, without having to wipe anything (if it gets even worse, you'll just have to backup your apps, wipe everything, and then restore them). Flashing ROMs are extremely safe, so long as you do everything right. Seeing that you successfully a ROM, and you were able to notice how much free ram you had, I would say you're better off than a lot of people.
But just in case, giving a full break down of what you did will allow us to know if you did indeed mess up somewhere along the way.
xxkid123 said:
your phone never got to use all 700 whatever. With every phone, due to hardware/phone restrictions you'll never get all of it. E.G. the Note 2, packing 2 whopping gigabytes of ram only gets to use around 1.7 of that. HTC Is a little worse off, its DNA gets only 1.5 usable of the 2 gigabytes.
If you go back to stock, and install a separate task manager you'll see that you probably only get 610-620 (I think htc just shows how much is free, not how much is system accessible). 610-620 because it varies ROM by ROM, however the difference is very minimal, and it shouldn't make a difference. If you're really worried about speed, try out the Supercharger script (google for it). It might look a little intimidating, but youtube will help, the script itself asks you everything in a logical manner, and more importantly, you probably won't be able to screw up- the script just changes values around, at worst you just won't notice a terrible amount of improvements.
I forget where paranoid settings are located, but it's probably there.
Finally, RELAX. If worst comes to worst, and you really screw up, you can just flash the original rom .zip on top, without having to wipe anything (if it gets even worse, you'll just have to backup your apps, wipe everything, and then restore them). Flashing ROMs are extremely safe, so long as you do everything right. Seeing that you successfully a ROM, and you were able to notice how much free ram you had, I would say you're better off than a lot of people.
But just in case, giving a full break down of what you did will allow us to know if you did indeed mess up somewhere along the way.
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okay these are the steps i did to flash the rom..
1) boot the phone in recovery mode..
2) 4ext recovery.. so i do a 'wipe data+dalvik'
3)then i do a 'format all partitions(except sd card)..
4) then install zip from sd card..
these are the steps i followed..
i also do not have the gapps in the rom.. in the thread they said it was already there.. how to i change the screen turn off animation.. this rom is totally different from whats in the thread..
rajivkarai said:
okay these are the steps i did to flash the rom..
1) boot the phone in recovery mode..
2) 4ext recovery.. so i do a 'wipe data+dalvik'
3)then i do a 'format all partitions(except sd card)..
4) then install zip from sd card..
these are the steps i followed..
i also do not have the gapps in the rom.. in the thread they said it was already there.. how to i change the screen turn off animation.. this rom is totally different from whats in the thread..
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You need to flash Gapps, it doesn't mention that it's included in the thread
http://goo.im/gapps/gapps-jb-20121011-signed.zip
Flash it normally, no need to wipe (although wiping cache+dalvik) should help.
for paranoid settings, check this post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=32720700&postcount=4
Your flashing process was correct, so I don't think anything was wrong there.

[Q] Desire; S-OFF, rooted to partition SD card, now won't get past hboot?

Hello all,
I've done a search on this but can't find anything describing a problem exactly the same as mine (although I have a feeling it is what people mean when they say bootloop?).
So with the eventual aim of freeing up the internal storage on my Desire by partitioning the SD card (and using link2sd), I have gained S-OFF with the Revolutionary method, got root with superuser.zip and used 4ext Recovery Touch to format the SD card by using this guide. Now this is where things went a bit wrong. 4ext kept saying I was in safe mode and didn't seem to be doing anything. I followed some more instructions from here to wipe the cache and possibly some other things (this is probably where I went wrong..). I do believe I now have a 2GB sd-ext partition (ext3) and 6GB FAT32 (it's an 8GB card).
Now, when I boot the phone it goes straight to the hboot screen (white screen with skateboarding androids). No matter what options I choose it won't boot into Android-proper. I can however, get back into Recovery (4ext) so I'm assuming I'm not in a huge amount of trouble and have perhaps just screwed up my stock install.
I was planning on keeping it stock (it is actually my girlfriends so I didn't want any hassle), but now I am thinking I could just install a new ROM? Just wondering what my best route from here is..
Should I attempt to go back to stock by following a guide like this (2nd post) with a 'Desire 2.3 RUU (PB99IMG)'? Will that work? Will it undo everything else I've done? Having read up on here about RUUs I'm a bit scared of that to be honest..!
Or should I follow post #1 on the troubleshooting guide and use 4ext to install a brand spanking new ROM?
Thanks for any advice.
No need to RUU, that would undo everything.
So you're already s-off, with 4ext installed, and you can boot into recovery :good: You've partitioned your sd card correctly too (ext4 should in theory be faster than ext3, you can convert it quite easily in 4EXT, but may not make much difference)
Now just install a new rom from scratch is the easiest way. Pick one from the development section, still plenty of choice. You can even find the stock rooted 2.3.3 Rom there somewhere if she wants that. Use the "wipe all partitions except sd card" option within 4EXT, then install the ROM.zip.
When you pick a ROM, you should also check which hboot is more optimal for space within each thread. You're currently still on stock hboot I take it, which has 250MB system size. A lot of ROMs have smaller system than this, so using a more efficient hboot with smaller system size (and larger internal memory (/data) partition ) is beneficial. You'll need to go to alpharev.nl to find the hboots, and I recommend to flash them using fastboot commands
Depending on the ROM, you may not need to use link2sd at all as it likely has an A2SD script built in, or you may need to activate it via terminal commands, read/search the individual rom thread for details.
If you're still worried about space, I always recommend to use an app like 'diskusage' to browse all your partitions.
Thanks, very helpful. I did originally partition the ext-sd as ext4 but when it didn't work I thought I should perhaps try ext3. I thought perhaps the Desire wasn't recognising the ext4 format. As it turns out I think it was just because I had done it all in safe mode? Will the Desire recognise a 2gb ext4 partition? If so, I may as well reformat again..!
Unfortunately I'm at work now so don't have the phone infront of me. I remember it says 'Revolutionary' in pink at the top in hboot, but I can't remember the numbers.
As for ROMS.. hmn so many options. Any recommendations for something stable and reasonably fast. Stable being the top priority I suppose. I'm tempted to try a JB ROM but I'm assuming that wouldn't be particularly fast or stable! Might be interesting to try though. I will use Apex Launcher over the top of it anyway...
Scamm0r said:
Thanks, very helpful. I did originally partition the ext-sd as ext4 but when it didn't work I thought I should perhaps try ext3. I thought perhaps the Desire wasn't recognising the ext4 format. As it turns out I think it was just because I had done it all in safe mode? Will the Desire recognise a 2gb ext4 partition? If so, I may as well reformat again..!
Unfortunately I'm at work now so don't have the phone infront of me. I remember it says 'Revolutionary' in pink at the top in hboot, but I can't remember the numbers.
As for ROMS.. hmn so many options. Any recommendations for something stable and reasonably fast. Stable being the top priority I suppose. I'm tempted to try a JB ROM but I'm assuming that wouldn't be particularly fast or stable! Might be interesting to try though. I will use Apex Launcher over the top of it anyway...
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Try deleting the 4ext folder on your sd card to fix the safe mode issue, or also try going into wipe and select "Format all partitions (except sd card)."
I would recommend any of milwilds roms. My personal favourite is this one. Its very fast and stable, based on gingerbread, and its usually what i install on other peoples desires.
As for jb roms go, i wouldnt recommend one if your installing it for someone that doesnt know much about phones. They arent particularly fast, but the one i use (in my signature) is quite stable in my opinion.
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Unfortunately I'm at work now so don't have the phone infront of me. I remember it says 'Revolutionary' in pink at the top in hboot, but I can't remember the numbers.
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If you don't remember changing hboot, you're still on stock hboot.
As for ROMS.. hmn so many options. Any recommendations for something stable and reasonably fast. Stable being the top priority I suppose. I'm tempted to try a JB ROM but I'm assuming that wouldn't be particularly fast or stable! Might be interesting to try though. I will use Apex Launcher over the top of it anyway...
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I can also vouch for mildwild roms. These have much smaller system sizes, so best to change hboot before you install them as instructed above. Most of them fit into cm7r2 hboot, but check each thread for compatibility.
Thanks guys. Would you recommend that MW ROM over something like CyanogenMod 7.2.0.1 off their site? I see CM banded around quite alot, seems to be a go-to ROM for alot of people?
I'm home now, this is what I see on hboot:
-Revolutionary-
BRAVO PVT1 SHIP S-OFF
HBOOT-6.93.1002
MICROP-031d
TOUCH-PANEL-SYNT0101
RADIO-5.11.05.27
Also, before I do it. Any problems for the Desire to see a 2GB ext4 partition? With the rest as FAT32? She won't be putting alot of media on it as she has a separate iPod.
Thanks.
Scamm0r said:
Thanks guys. Would you recommend that MW ROM over something like CyanogenMod 7.2.0.1 off their site? I see CM banded around quite alot, seems to be a go-to ROM for alot of people?
I'm home now, this is what I see on hboot:
-Revolutionary-
BRAVO PVT1 SHIP S-OFF
HBOOT-6.93.1002
MICROP-031d
TOUCH-PANEL-SYNT0101
RADIO-5.11.05.27
Also, before I do it. Any problems for the Desire to see a 2GB ext4 partition? With the rest as FAT32? She won't be putting alot of media on it as she has a separate iPod.
Thanks.
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I would go with mw over cm. Cm 7 feels old and stale, while milwilds redux ROM feels fresh and different. In terms of stability and speed they are pretty much the same.
2gb shouldn't be too much of an issue, but usually the max recommend ext partition is 1.5gb.
Thanks again. I'm now up and running. Looks very nice indeed! I'll be honest though, I bailed out of flashing a new hboot. Too scary. After incurring the girlfriend's wrath after one day with a dead phone, I wouldn't want to brick it entirely!
A couple of questions now..
- Do I need to install link2sd? I'm looking at 'diskusage' but I'm struggling to make much sense of it. I can see my sd-ext on there though which I guess is good!
- Are there any peculiarities installing generic apps like Facebook, Youtube etc? At first glance the market seems to work ok.
- Does the cpu underclocking (whilst screen off) work well? Is it risky at all if I use the generic settings?
Also, I was going to chuck Apex launcher on it for her (I love it, and she wants a scrolling dock) but it's not compatible. Any others that are good? Nova isn't compatible either
Scamm0r said:
Thanks again. I'm now up and running. Looks very nice indeed! I'll be honest though, I bailed out of flashing a new hboot. Too scary. After incurring the girlfriend's wrath after one day with a dead phone, I wouldn't want to brick it entirely!
A couple of questions now..
- Do I need to install link2sd? I'm looking at 'diskusage' but I'm struggling to make much sense of it. I can see my sd-ext on there though which I guess is good!
- Are there any peculiarities installing generic apps like Facebook, Youtube etc? At first glance the market seems to work ok.
- Does the cpu underclocking (whilst screen off) work well? Is it risky at all if I use the generic settings?
Also, I was going to chuck Apex launcher on it for her (I love it, and she wants a scrolling dock) but it's not compatible. Any others that are good? Nova isn't compatible either
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No need to install link2sd. A2sd is installed by default and is already activated. Dont worry about it.
Apex and nova need 4+, so i would recommend holo or go launcher. i think the default cpu settings work good enough.
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Thanks again. I'm now up and running. Looks very nice indeed! I'll be honest though, I bailed out of flashing a new hboot. Too scary. After incurring the girlfriend's wrath after one day with a dead phone, I wouldn't want to brick it entirely!
A couple of questions now..
- Do I need to install link2sd? I'm looking at 'diskusage' but I'm struggling to make much sense of it. I can see my sd-ext on there though which I guess is good!
- Are there any peculiarities installing generic apps like Facebook, Youtube etc? At first glance the market seems to work ok.
- Does the cpu underclocking (whilst screen off) work well? Is it risky at all if I use the generic settings?
Also, I was going to chuck Apex launcher on it for her (I love it, and she wants a scrolling dock) but it's not compatible. Any others that are good? Nova isn't compatible either
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You won't brick your phone by flashing an hboot, as long as you follow all the instructions . It's beneficial just in case your girlfriend starts installing many apps. App data still gets stored on the internal memory (/data) partition, so it may get the low memory warning again which kind of defeats the purpose of doing this in the first place.
Open diskusage again, choose /system. You'll see a lot of free space on this partition....that's basically all completely wasted on stock hboot. At least you can see you sd-ext partition fillling up though.
There's another way to flash hboot without fastboot commands if you prefer. I always recommend that way simply because it forces the user to understand a little about what they're doing, plus it's always handy to install adb and fastboot drivers anyway
So:
- Download the PB99IMG_cm7r2.zip from alpharev.nl, rename it to PB99IMG.zip exactly, not PB99IMG.zip.zip, put it on the root of your sd card
- Reboot directly into recovery, nandroid backup (hard to go wrong now, no need to worry)
- Power down, boot into bootloader (vol down + power)
- It should find the file, and ask you to flash it, select yes
- Reboot into recovery, full wipe and nandroid restore
- It's exactly the same, but enjoy the extra internal memory. Open diskusage again, you'll find that there's less free space on /system, and /data has increased
Thanks Eddie, you're right of course. How safe is that method compared to using Android Flasher? I already had that installed on my PC for one of the steps previous.
So the nandroid backup will keep the phone set up as it is? I know she will have been customising her homescreens etc already now that it's up and running haha. OR is it best to reinstall the ROM again anyway and start from scratch?
I presume the backup option in 4ext recovery is a nandroid backup? I think I did one of those before after I got MW up and running.
Thanks again.
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Thanks Eddie, you're right of course. How safe is that method compared to using Android Flasher? I already had that installed on my PC for one of the steps previous.
So the nandroid backup will keep the phone set up as it is? I know she will have been customising her homescreens etc already now that it's up and running haha. OR is it best to reinstall the ROM again anyway and start from scratch?
I presume the backup option in 4ext recovery is a nandroid backup? I think I did one of those before after I got MW up and running.
Thanks again.
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Android flasher is the same as fastboot really. It's just a program so you don't type things. I've never used it personally, but it should work. I believe you flash the cm7r2.img directly (not the.zip file). All 3 of those methods (fastboot, android flasher, PB99IMG.zip are safe, get the same result eventually)
The thing to remember (which I should have mentioned before) whichever method you use, check the md5 sums of the .img files before you flash them (you should be able to see those long text/numbers on the alpharev page). Search for a program called md5check. (It just basically verifies the file against that md5 sum like a barcode so you know haven't downloaded a bad file.)
Nandroid backup is an exact image of the phone as it is. Homescreens, saved game data, texts, everything. So you won't lose anything after restoring it. I suggested that you change hboot before you install the rom for this exact reason, so you wouldnt have to backup and restore, but we're here now already

Back to the roots, again the original ROM.

I have been using those last years my old HTC Desire with many customized ROM, and everytime was the same, bug here, bug there, slowliness and all those problems that makes the all day use frustrating.
Yesterday I just gave up and installed again the original ROM with Android 2.2, and I was pleasantly surprised about the reaction time and the pratically absence of bugs, but more then anything the compatibilty with the new apps.
But I was too nice to be true, after installing just some major app I discovered again the big limit of this Phone: the low Internal storage.
Sadly all the apps cannot be moved to the SD Card and the cache cleaning does pratically nothing again the problem.
Right now I would ask: there's a noob proof method to install more apps on my Smartphone without changing the ROM?
U need to have ROM with Mount2SD or with A2SD or other mod. Also you can try add one of this mods to your ROM.
Thanks! Could someone give me a simple guide to do that?
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Sorry for the delay. I don't come here often. So you can try with this app: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.spazedog.mounts2sd To use this app you need a rooted device and properly partitioned sd card. U simply need to try it out, because I have no idea if it works on stock roms. You have two ways of install Mounts2SD:
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Install Mounts2SD - Manual method:
- Install Mounts2SD app through the play store
- Open Mounts2SD > Menu > Application Settings > Install Startup Script
- Click the wrench icon in Mounts2SD. Under the Content header: enable Applications, Libraries and Dalvik Cache. It should look like this when you are done.
*Dont be confused by that fact that they seem to already seem to be checked. They are not. You must click on them so that the checkmark become green*
*Grey checkmark = disabled. Green checkmark = enabled*
- Reboot (might take a while)
OR
Install Mounts2SD - Easy method:
- Flash this zip: https://www.mediafire.com/?4188627myda1z6t
- Reboot (might take a while)
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Thanks, I just installed the app but he wants the Root (SuperUser) permissions. Could I get those keeping the Original ROM? when this is possibile, how could I get the SU permissions? Thanks again and sorry for the newbie questions.
MattSid said:
Thanks, I just installed the app but he wants the Root (SuperUser) permissions. Could I get those keeping the Original ROM? when this is possibile, how could I get the SU permissions? Thanks again and sorry for the newbie questions.
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I thought you tried lots of custom ROMs on the Desire? The principle is the same.
You need root and a properly partitioned sd card to use an A2SD script like mount2sd.
- Use revolutionary to s-off
- Install 4EXT recovery through fastboot
- Backup sd card and partition with 4EXT recovery, maximum 2GB ext4 partition.
- Flash superuser.zip through recovery. This will root your existing original ROM.
- Try mount2sd again.
You can use mount2sd to move apps and dalvik cache to sd-ext. You shouldn't have to 'move to SD' any more, just keep apps on phone to trick to sd-ext. Keep app data (e.g. saved gamed data) on your /data partition for speed and stability.
You will still eventually run out of space because you are still on stock hboot, with 147MB /data partition (internal memory). This can still fill up with a lot of apps.
If you really need more app space, you need to flash a different hboot with smaller /system and hence larger /data, and a custom ROM which will 'fit' into the hboot.
MattSid said:
Thanks, I just installed the app but he wants the Root (SuperUser) permissions. Could I get those keeping the Original ROM? when this is possibile, how could I get the SU permissions? Thanks again and sorry for the newbie questions.
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You can root the phone as it's listed in post up mine. So you can stay at your ROM and gain extra functionality
eddiehk6 said:
I thought you tried lots of custom ROMs on the Desire? The principle is the same.
You need root and a properly partitioned sd card to use an A2SD script like mount2sd.
- Use revolutionary to s-off
- Install 4EXT recovery through fastboot
- Backup sd card and partition with 4EXT recovery, maximum 2GB ext4 partition.
- Flash superuser.zip through recovery. This will root your existing original ROM.
- Try mount2sd again.
You can use mount2sd to move apps and dalvik cache to sd-ext. You shouldn't have to 'move to SD' any more, just keep apps on phone to trick to sd-ext. Keep app data (e.g. saved gamed data) on your /data partition for speed and stability.
You will still eventually run out of space because you are still on stock hboot, with 147MB /data partition (internal memory). This can still fill up with a lot of apps.
If you really need more app space, you need to flash a different hboot with smaller /system and hence larger /data, and a custom ROM which will 'fit' into the hboot.
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Ok, step by step:
1)Handy got already the s-off option active
2)How could I install the 4EXT recovery through fastboot? In the menu list there are no option like this, and when I try to load the Recovery I got a "!" symbol.
MattSid said:
How could I install the 4EXT recovery through fastboot?.
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By using the internet to look for a guide....?
You can find the 4EXT recovery.img in the 4EXT thread.
The Guide looks pretty long, witch one paragraph could help me? and which one ist the 4EXT thread?
eddiehk6 said:
By using the internet to look for a guide....?
You can find the 4EXT recovery.img in the 4EXT thread.
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Don't give him links which gives him no answer
This is a complete guide how to root your Desire: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=788044 It's easy so you should have no problems with it
eddiehk6 said:
By using the internet to look for a guide....?
You can find the 4EXT recovery.img in the 4EXT thread.
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Areen said:
Don't give him links which gives him no answer
This is a complete guide how to root your Desire: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=788044 It's easy so you should have no problems with it
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Its not that his links don't give him the answer, rather that he is trying to help him by avoiding spoonfeeding. Eddie has provided him with all of the necessary information: A guide on how to flash a recovery through fastboot and the location where he can find the 4ext recovery image.
Thats all he really needs. Obviously he needs to apply some logic of his own and possibly do a bit of further research, but in the long run its better that he learns rather than uses the "One click root" solution that you have linked.
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Its not that his links don't give him the answer, rather that he is trying to help him by avoiding spoonfeeding. Eddie has provided him with all of the necessary information: A guide on how to flash a recovery through fastboot and the location where he can find the 4ext recovery image.
Thats all he really needs. Obviously he needs to apply some logic of his own and possibly do a bit of further research, but in the long run its better that he learns rather than uses the "One click root" solution that you have linked.
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I simply think that's the best way to start, and I also started from this point (but i'm kinda experienced user, because it's my second android phone ;p). He'll surely learn something and then will find other things that he will need.
Spoonfeeding, that shouldn't be nothing wrong with that:
we are all not super geeks with lust of reading wall of texts with redundant informations that requires hours of reading and understanding.
Sorry if I annoyed you with my impatience and thanks anyway for your support.
MattSid said:
Spoonfeeding, that shouldn't be nothing wrong with that:
we are all not super geeks with lust of reading wall of texts with redundant informations that requires hours of reading and understanding.
Sorry if I annoyed you with my impatience and thanks anyway for your support.
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Unfortunately there can be a lot wrong with spoon feeding...I've seen a lot of people just rush into things without understanding what they're doing. They end up bricking their phones. I don't want you doing the same
I gave you links to the correct guides, you don't have to read all of it, just the bits that are relevant to you (fastboot).
You don't have to be a super geek at all. Yes it takes a bit more time to learn, but that way:
- you reduce your risk of things going wrong
- you actually understand what you're doing... :good:
To be blunt, you shouldn't be messing with your phone at all if you can't search for guides or even read guides that you've been linked to. You can easily achieve want you want. The choice is yours.
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Unfortunately there can be a lot wrong with spoon feeding...I've seen a lot of people just rush into things without understanding what they're doing. They end up bricking their phones. I don't want you doing the same
I gave you links to the correct guides, you don't have to read all of it, just the bits that are relevant to you (fastboot).
You don't have to be a super geek at all. Yes it takes a bit more time to learn, but that way:
- you reduce your risk of things going wrong
- you actually understand what you're doing... :good:
To be blunt, you shouldn't be messing with your phone at all if you can't search for guides or even read guides that you've been linked to. You can easily achieve want you want. The choice is yours.
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That's the perfect explanations, thanks
Ok, I take a deep breath and trying to do this ****.
I just checked this your guide http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=788044 and I'm stuck on the point 3. There's "FASTBOOT" "RECOVERY" "CLEAR STORAGE" and "SIMLOCK" but no "HBOOT USB".
So, next step? I take a breath because I feel an urgency to throw away my Phone and buy mindless a new one.
MattSid said:
Ok, I take a deep breath and trying to do this ****.
I just checked this your guide http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=788044 and I'm stuck on the point 3. There's "FASTBOOT" "RECOVERY" "CLEAR STORAGE" and "SIMLOCK" but no "HBOOT USB".
So, next step? I take a breath because I feel an urgency to throw away my Phone and buy mindless a new one.
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I'd strongly suggest not rooting the way explained in that guide. You will only gain root without s-off, which is quite useless in my opinion, and also somewhat dangerous. Instead use Revolutionary which will give you s-off and a custom recovery from which you can then easily flash root. First check what hboot version you have. If its 0.93.0001 or 1.02.0001 then you are good to go. Download revolutionary here. Boot your phone up normally (into android), then extract the revolutionary zip and run the executable file. Go through the on screen instructions and once you are done you will be s-off and have a custom recovery installed. Next you can either simply flash root, or install a custom rom.
I got already the s-off active, the HBOOT version that I got is the 6.93.1002, what I should do then?

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