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Devs, n00bs, seniors, everyone. Please calm down.
N00bs..read before you post. This is a big cause to recent drama. I read a thread today and the same question was asked and answered on like3 straight pages... this is not called for.
Devs please consider the level of readiness before posting a Rom. My fav developer makes his Rom as close to bug free by having about 10 guys test the Rom before he releases it. Doing this would cut back on n00b questions and stupid posts. I love all you work this is just an idea.
Everyone else please don't fight and make things worse. Help the n00bs with links to forum rules and such.
I make all these mistakes too. But we need to fix it. We are losing our community.
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I'll add to this a bit if you don't mind. Any noobs feel free to pm me whatever the question may be and I will try to help. There is no sense starting a new thread because 99%of the time the question has been answered and i honestly I like to help. I don't have time to develop so this is my attempt to give back to a community I got a lot out of. I may not have your answer but will most likely be able to send you in the right direction and knipp is extremely helpful and knowledgeable as well. I personally don't care but don't post a thread like help plz I bricked my phone in the dev section unless you have a pair of flame retardant pants. Look bottom line is I'm here to help if anyone needs it
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Also knipp what do you think about starting a kind of all in one place thread similar to what's stickied in the dev section only a little more recent and updated with an faq? I don't know how many times I posted the gingerbread ruu for people recently. If you don't have the time I can do it or certainly help at the very least. Just wanted to get your opinion on this matter
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knipp21 said:
Devs please consider the level of readiness before posting a Rom. My fav developer makes his Rom as close to bug free by having about 10 guys test the Rom before he releases it. Doing this would cut back on n00b questions and stupid posts. I love all you work this is just an idea.
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This. It's extremely refreshing when a dev spends good time creating a ROM for a phone. It's nice to be handed a ROM that has been tested and is essentially bug free. I praise the guys that do that, and the guys that stick to their work. Doing it for fun rather than for money.
Of course I'm not expecting a good ROM to fall into our laps, I do like to follow projects from start to finish just as long as the dev(s) are working solely on that project - Like Cyanogen.
I agree about posting ROMs that are fully tested.. but then only 10 or so get to enjoy the ROM until it's stable. It's nice having everyone give feedback because 100 testers is better than 10. But I 100% agree with you, we need to get this community back on track, and we as users can help indefinitely.
We need to remember, not too long ago we we n00bs. I didn't even know what an .apk was. Now I know how to edit and decompile .apks.
Let's help to make this a fun and sharing community again.
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Also knipp what do you think about starting a kind of all in one place thread similar to what's stickied in the dev section only a little more recent and updated with an faq? I don't know how many times I posted the gingerbread ruu for people recently. If you don't have the time I can do it or certainly help at the very least. Just wanted to get your opinion on this matter
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Great idea. I'm in a radar class all week so I can't do it but if anyone wants to that would be awesome. I hope our mod will sticky it.
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Ill start work on it tonight when the kids are in bed. If anyone has any useful links or anything in general you think should be there feel free to pm me
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Ill start work on it tonight when the kids are in bed. If anyone has any useful links or anything in general you think should be there feel free to pm me
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Include the fact you can't use sense programs on aosp roms. And other stuff lol
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Haha ill put that in bold. Hlp plzzz flashed tiamat on skyraider and i can haz no wifi. Hahahahahahah
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Yes, you have to wipe.
Hey guys im not gonna get to starr the all in one thread tonight my son is crazy sick and cant sleep. Ill start tomorrow night, meanwhile shoot me some suggestions on what you think should be included
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I think the development section after selecting it should then have sections for EACH version rom. ie. Froyo, Gingerbread, ICS.
So that when you are looking at what is being developed you are not diluted with newer releases of older versions when you are really trying to find the best of a specific version.
This would allow it to be more organized.
+1 Would save a lot of confusion for noobs as well. Specific mods for specific version go in that section and so on and so forth .. yeah. Like it.
well there is only gingerbread and ICS, some mods are universal so you would have to post twice? and would you split up the theme and apps section too?
Good idea. Truth is though just more places for non readers to post in the wrong sections.
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Good idea. Truth is though just more places for non readers to post in the wrong sections.
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This
People have trouble following the current organizational scheme
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Good idea. Truth is though just more places for non readers to post in the wrong sections.
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Like how this topic is in the wrong section.
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This idea is irrelevant because all people have to do is read. Even if the Title doesn't say the firmware version, the OP will 9 times out of 10.
The thought is good, but in reality.....nah bro
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Why the hell not? Even if the
OP does contain the firmware version, it would stop a lot of the confusion for the noobs that don't read. As for people that DO read, it would be convenient to go in a section with, say, just ICS ROMs, to check out the latest goodies instead of having to look through all the GB ROMs and other things that aren't ICS related.
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If people don't read And flash and destroy....it's their fault.. There are already "please read if you're new" posts or "if you're new to ICS" posts. If people are lazy and disregard proper guided precautions to help inform everybody before they start messing with expensive phones....then a bricked phone is what you'll get.
I don't cater to the weak and lazy.
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If this was implemented does anyone want to start a pool on how long it will take before a dev gets flamed for not posting in the right section
Funny thing is the noob want to jump straight in and flash and screw things up then freak out then read lol
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This Nobama entitlement mentality gets old.....fast!
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Is this not the way it already is? If you can't be bothered to read a few lines of text maybe you shouldn't be flashing anything to your phone.
2.3.X = GB
4.0.X = ICS
Pretty difficult, i know.
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Is this not the way it already is? If you can't be bothered to read a few lines of text maybe you shouldn't be flashing anything to your phone.
2.3.X = GB
4.0.X = ICS
Pretty difficult, i know.
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Oh god this is so true.
Now girls
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I think most people commenting are missing the point. Of course its not that important to people like us who come here often and keep up with everything.
But if you imagine the noob who means well, and is just trying to find the information that he needs, this web board is immensely cluttered.
Honestly, thats why you have so many noobs posting dumb questions and asking the same things over and over again. Most people aren't trying to clutter the forums, but when they can't find what they want quickly they give up and just start their own thread which gets on everyones nerves.
i think more sub-headings and forum breakdowns would help a lot honestly. And at the very least give mods a fresh place to police and (hopefully) control post whoring.
my .02
Oh boo hoo those poor noobs we need to hand them step by steps and make sure that everyone has the opportunity to flash rooms! Rom flashing is a basic human right and every American should get it free of hassle!
I say the free account registration inhibits minorities like the computer illiterate and old people, we should abolish this account registration so everyone has the opportunity to post anything!
In fact those poor souls who brick their phones should get new ones for free, I mean the developers get donations so they should spread the wealth around it would be better for everyone!
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I think most people commenting are missing the point. Of course its not that important to people like us who come here often and keep up with everything.
But if you imagine the noob who means well, and is just trying to find the information that he needs, this web board is immensely cluttered.
Honestly, thats why you have so many noobs posting dumb questions and asking the same things over and over again. Most people aren't trying to clutter the forums, but when they can't find what they want quickly they give up and just start their own thread which gets on everyones nerves.
i think more sub-headings and forum breakdowns would help a lot honestly. And at the very least give mods a fresh place to police and (hopefully) control post whoring.
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I find it hard to believe clutter is the reason dumb threads are started.
Raise your hand if you have seen someone post a question or news item that has already been posted less than 5 threads down in the first page of general at the time of posting.
*raises hand*
Forums sections are well explained and disclosed, even if people rant and flame at noobs, it is still a noob friendly atmosphere here, the problem also is that devs and senior members still repeat themselves overe and over trying to help noobs and besides alot of members on xda are just too lazy to read, only screwing up people learn to either not to touch or mess with something they shouldn't have mess with in first place, nobody was born knowing all, yet nobody was born brainless, if people screw up after so many threads of guides and how to's lost in limbo around the forums, let them screw up, imbeciles only see the finger that is pointig the right direction.
If stickies, guides and bibles haven't helped, it is useless to clutter this forums with more subforums
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Bottom line is everyone here was a noob...somewhere at sometime. All everyone needs to do is read people with respect and not flame.
"f_ing noob, learn to search" I'd not the way to fix things
Would you yell at a child for doing something when its an innocent mistake. I'm not saying all noobs are innocent...but you catch more flies with honey then vinegar
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So I finally posted in the Q&A section last night because I messed up my SystemUI.apk while trying to theme it...
I asked a simple question asking if anyone could post the stock apk from the latest leak... and never got a response yet.
I no longer need it because I have flashed CM9 since it was what I had on my SD when I flashed today.
I now know why there are so many users that post questions in the general section of the forum. This is the most disappointing part of this community other than the people who like stirring up arguments in the community.
If there is anyone else who has had a similar experience or that thinks that this forum lacks in helpful information, post here to explain your story and how you feel the community should change.
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I understand completely what you are saying. I used to live in the Q&A section to try to help because there's not a lot of people that DO put in the effort and go out their way. I didn't get my "thanks" from being a mod, believe me, lol. I try to be laid back for that reason in the general section, but I can only allow so many questions before it gets overwhelming. I have seen a handful of members in this section that will see people through to get the help the asking members need. And I love that. Sometimes you have to give it a little more time, or a shameless bump is in order.
---Jay--- From the CM9 powered E4GT
Yeah, I could have given it a little bit more time but without a status bar I didn't want to wait...
I guess instead of complaining about it, I will take the initiative to contribute my experience with the E4GT to the community. I'm no developer but I will try to help as best as I can.
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Did you flash agats ics theme over the stock fe22? If thats the case he labeled them wrong and you have to flash deodexed instead of odexed theme. It was mentioned in the fe22 thread, happened to a few of us but you would really have to read everything to find it.
I look at q&a sometimes but I learned most of the stuff here from reading and most of the questions there are because people are too lazy to read. I typically just provide a link to a thread if I do answer any questions. Yours is valid though I flashed and downloaded the rom and that stupid theme 3 times thinking i had a bad flash checking md5 and stuff.
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Did you flash agats ics theme over the stock fe22? If thats the case he labeled them wrong and you have to flash deodexed instead of odexed theme. It was mentioned in the fe22 thread, happened to a few of us but you would really have to read everything to find it.
I look at q&a sometimes but I learned most of the stuff here from reading and most of the questions there are because people are too lazy to read. I typically just provide a link to a thread if I do answer any questions. Yours is valid though I flashed and downloaded the rom and that stupid theme 3 times thinking i had a bad flash checking md5 and stuff.
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I flashed the odexed theme... I also thought it was a bad flash. I usually read most of the thread and the comments.
I just didn't read enough to see that there was a problem flashing over stock.
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This time it was buried and as dumb as I felt flashing a theme that said deodexed over a stock rom it worked.
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So I finally posted in the Q&A section last night because I messed up my SystemUI.apk while trying to theme it...
I asked a simple question asking if anyone could post the stock apk from the latest leak... and never got a response yet.
I no longer need it because I have flashed CM9 since it was what I had on my SD when I flashed today.
I now know why there are so many users that post questions in the general section of the forum. This is the most disappointing part of this community other than the people who like stirring up arguments in the community.
If there is anyone else who has had a similar experience or that thinks that this forum lacks in helpful information, post here to explain your story and how you feel the community should change.
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Thats pretty demanding, seeing that you are asking for free help. You should wait longer, and if you cant, thats why its always suggested to NAND backup your stuff.
You must realize that we all have lives outside of this forum, I too try to help out as often as I can with what little knowledge I have. Its the only way I can give back but I also work full-time and go to college full-time. So there are a few days where I can't find the time to post or help out. I'm not by any means saying that this is the case for everyone here, just simply giving you an example that may or may not be the case for some of us here.
I can almost promise you, however, if you give it enough time, someone WILL come to your aid.
I just hope you realize this and don't think any less of these people here. They really do put a lot of time and effort into helping and developing for all of us in hopes of getting nothing more than a simple "thanks".
I also hope that your next experience is nothing like the previous one.
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Thats pretty demanding, seeing that you are asking for free help. You should wait longer, and if you cant, thats why its always suggested to NAND backup your stuff.
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I agree with the backup idea, but I'm not touching the backup restore functions on an ICS kernel until it has been fully tested and determined to be safe to use.
I thought I had backups of the SystemUI on my SD card but they were for earlier builds and would not work. I realize that everyone has their own life outside of XDA. That is why when I saw that my question didn't even have one reply when several other questions had new comments, I decided to just flash a new ROM.
The reason I have started this thread is because I am not the first user to be ignored when asking a simple question to ask if someone could help with such a simple issue.
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Mattix724 said:
So I finally posted in the Q&A section last night because I messed up my SystemUI.apk while trying to theme it...
I asked a simple question asking if anyone could post the stock apk from the latest leak... and never got a response yet.
I no longer need it because I have flashed CM9 since it was what I had on my SD when I flashed today.
I now know why there are so many users that post questions in the general section of the forum. This is the most disappointing part of this community other than the people who like stirring up arguments in the community.
If there is anyone else who has had a similar experience or that thinks that this forum lacks in helpful information, post here to explain your story and how you feel the community should change.
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Early on I used to answer every question I could but eventually most threads were answers before I even got there so slowly I stopped going to the q and a sec
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I live in the q&a section. Sorry I didn't see your post lol. I try and help out as much as I can
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I understand completely what you are saying. I used to live in the Q&A section to try to help because there's not a lot of people that DO put in the effort and go out their way. I didn't get my "thanks" from being a mod, believe me, lol. I try to be laid back for that reason in the general section, but I can only allow so many questions before it gets overwhelming. I have seen a handful of members in this section that will see people through to get the help the asking members need. And I love that. Sometimes you have to give it a little more time, or a shameless bump is in order.
---Jay--- From the CM9 powered E4GT
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Restored a lot of faith for me...patience is a rare commodity. Thank you sir
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Personally, I believe the Q&A section is pretty much useless and have never used it to gather or inquire information. As long as one uses the Search function in the forums effectively, there's no need for it.
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Personally, I believe the Q&A section is pretty much useless and have never used it to gather or inquire information. As long as one uses the Search function in the forums effectively, there's no need for it.
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In theory, yea. But a lot of those answers you "searched" for are found in the Q&A section.
---Jay--- From the CM9 powered E4GT
I admit I don't frequent Q&A as much as I do General and Development, but if I see something I feel that I can answer then I always try to contribute. If it's something completely out of my league but I know someone who might know the answer then I will, occasionally, post that information.
While I understand OP's need for a quick resolution (although most questions in Q&A need the same) I agree with those who have advocated allowing a little more time for people to respond.
I know it can be frustrating (and intimidating) to be stuck on a problem with no answer but again, as stated in the posts above, sometimes people who can help simply aren't online at the time the problem is posted. Though I'm here a lot during the day (from work, shhhh) in the evenings my time is a bit more sporadic and I've come back to the computer with PMs from people who asked me something but thought I was ignoring them, that bothers me because I would never willingly ignore someone.
So I think Q&A definitely has its uses and maybe this post should be our tap on the shoulder to peruse it more often and see if there is something we can help answer.
To the OP.
Why didn't you just download one of the stock roms in the roms section and extract your own?
just curious.....
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To the OP.
Why didn't you just download one of the stock roms in the roms section and extract your own?
just curious.....
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When most roms here are 1 click executable files its not so easy to extract the apk...
And with most of the roms that are zipped, they are already themed...
I have resolved my own issue by flashing a new rom, that was not the point of this thread... the point I wanted to bring up with this thread is that it is apparent that 95% of the users here only frequent General and Development. If more users just checked Q&A once and a while to see if there is anyone needing help with something that they have already experienced, they could easily reply with what they did to resolve the issue.
Let's all stop pointing the blame and help to better the community... we all can help in one way or another.
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To all xda-ers
Read read read and read again.....then search....and read some more holy crap people the CALL ECHO ON JELLYBEAN ROMS WILL BE PRESENT UNTIL WE GET AN OFFICIAL ROM FROM TMOBILE OR UNTIL SOMEONE FINDS A PERMNANET FIX FOR IT UNTIL THEN STOP ASKING ABOUT IT JEEZE... I don't know how many times I've seen this question but I've seen it one too many.
Theirs small things like make sure noise suppression is checked in your call settings or someone else stated that turning the volume down a bit fixes it. And or flashing another radio could cause a temp fix for it...but please read and or search before asking questions......
Number one rule here guys search before asking questions as your question may have been answered already and 95% of the time IT HAS!!!
Im done ranting now thanks for READING! And have a wonderful afternoon
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Cool story bro.
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I've never had a call echo complaint on AOKP JB, and have been running it for months.
I hope you feel really good about yourself, starting this thread all over such a small issue.
The irony of this post is that now when people search up "call echo" on the search bar now, this is the first thread out of several dozens of other threads that shows up and mentions this issue.
What's worst is that the post doesn't solve anything at all, lol. If it really bothered you, you could have simply provided links in your post to the particular threads where those who are actually looking will know where to search for prior answers.
In that way it will save you time and others... additionally, your rant wouldn't be another waste of space in these forums and instead actual be of some use to people... just a thought.
In the second paragraph I clearly stated the little things that people have found to temporarily fix the issue
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I hope you feel really good about yourself, starting this thread all over such a small issue.
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And its a small issue that every one keeps asking about Instead of searching or reading thru the forums I've seen it asked at least 10 times or more in multiple threads I myself don't have the issue and why even post in here saying This is a waste of space when your reply was also a waste considereing none of you posted anything to help with the issue either but clearly just posted to flame
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What kind of responses were you expecting from your post? Obviously since you emphasized greatly that people need to use the search bar more there is no need for us to add more to the minor information you already posted other than proper links... which then again contradicts using the search bar. As much as it is a nuisance, there are always going to be people on these forums who will ask old questions... don't let it be your problem, you're not obliged to answer the questions all the time. There are actually some bright people on the forums that enjoy the idea of helping someone (even if it's a common question), cheers!
Yeah I'm aware of that I've been trying to help people out all day myself
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Not all chip sets are equal and perform the same with custom kernels remember that.
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Y MY PHONE ECHO? SAMSUNG AND XDA Y U NO FIX??? ERMAGHEEEERD
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You guys can criticize this post all u want but he's right.. People suck..
Kind of like how Mohan asked people not to post in his Dev thread unless they have logs. And to use the embryo general thread instead yet people still fill his thread with the same few questions... It's crazy..
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...As much as it is a nuisance, there are always going to be people on these forums who will ask old questions... don't let it be your problem, you're not obliged to answer the questions all the time. There are actually some bright people on the forums that enjoy the idea of helping someone (even if it's a common question), cheers!
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^^^ This ^^^
I understand your wanting to rant and I feel your frustration (Believe me when I say this. You should see some of the stuff that comes our way). Like FT said above, there is always going to be someone that asks the same question over and over and over, sometimes the same question in multiple threads. These people will never learn. But they are becoming more and more predominate in the forums lately.
We have 4.8m users and anywhere from 36-50k users online at a time. That type of userbase is fantastically hard to comprehend when it comes to things like this. Few want to learn anymore and many just come here to make their phone/tablet cool looking and could care less about smali hacks, de/compiling apks (what apk means for that matter), Android.policy.jars,...
Best answer I could give you now is to simply ignore those posts and move on to the next relevant post. If you want to answer, then by all means. Users should help each other when possible. But that doesn't mean spoonfeeding either.
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I'll leave this thread open until 11am est if anyone else want to respond but after that it is getting Closed Closed Closed Closed Closed
He's absolutely right about the post but unfortunately it was a waste of time and effort because most of the people that ask the same questions over and over are never gonna take the time to read this
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He's absolutely right about the post but unfortunately it was a waste of time and effort because most of the people that ask the same questions over and over are never gonna take the time to read this
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This is true and hilarious..
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Probally will get royally flamed for bthis or have it removed, But for those like me that have to have wifi calling on our phones, is it possible for someone to make a thread with a list of ROMs with this feature. i would, but since I'm relatively new to this scene, and don'tknow any of thedevs, i wouldn't be able to get there permissions. I would make it myself if they would allow.
You can post info like this about roms, just don't post links except ones that are to the rom thread.
Unless you want something old, all roms that are built using the latest T-Mobile build, UVDMD5, will most likely have wifi calling. Just look for that build in the op and if you don't see it, move along to the next. If you want to cross reference an older rom to see if its a T-Mobile base, just compare to the build number in my firmware thread.
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So I can configure a list as long as I only list links to threads. I thought even that it was considered wrong to do without consulting the dev. Just dont want to step on toes. And if was to compile the list myself, would I put it in development section or general information section.
Sent from somewhere bizarre and no I don't want to talk about it.
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So I can configure a list as long as I only list links to threads. I thought even that it was considered wrong to do without consulting the dev. Just dont want to step on toes. And if was to compile the list myself, would I put it in development section or general information section.
Sent from somewhere bizarre and no I don't want to talk about it.
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Yup. Perfectly fine to do that. You just dont want to post links to their actual roms w/o permission. Some devs like to keep an eye on download counts and stuff like that. This way they know where everyone gets the download link from. Honestly though, most probably wouldnt even care about that, but still its best to ask for anything else.
Id say this would go in the General Section.
If it is just going to contain info about the ROMs, you should post it in General. If you end up including anything like a FAQ or Q&A, then it could go in the Q&A section.
Never start a thread in the development sections unless you have something to release such as a rom or mod. (or at least the plan to release and are actively developing a WIP (Work In Progress)).
Never post questions or general info guides and such there. If deemed it needs to go there in the future, it can always be moved.
Kinda already have that....
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Kinda already have that....
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Shows how much people actually look/search and read.
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Kinda already have that....
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Sorry bout that man! Been a long time since I've looked at it and just didn't even think about it.
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Shows how much people actually look/search and read.
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Like I said will prob be flamed but after several months if reading and searching and not finding I posted this question. Sorry for being ignorant and not finding that info. Since you say there kinda is one could you kindly point me to that thread. Thank you
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In general section. Linked in sticky roll up. Rom Bible. You can also use the link in mt3g's sig if youre on a computer. You can't see it from the app.
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It probably needs to be updated, I might do that today before work, if the time arises. But it shouldn't be too difficult to find them.
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