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Kin & Xna Framework 3.1 (prev. Random Madness)

Hey, i was playing a bit with some files here and there, so i faked Xna to believe that kin was a zune (i'm a ninja) and then becoming asleep when suddenly i launched the first non-official app on the kin.. although it didn't work.
It's the result of a bad deployment of a XNA game template, which runs till the loading part, where it's broken and does nothing.
On the other hand, it's listed on the recent apps tab, and i was able to re-do the deployment. I wasnt able to redo after some time, even rebooting the Kin.
Yup, i know it does nothing but... makes you wonder if working apps can be made and yak yak yak.
Fyi, i was able to reboot succesfully but the app must be in a temp space, cause it didnt showed anymore nor in recent apps, nor in the menu. Kino showed me that there were no further files, other than mines.
i thought that a video would show things that are real and ... well.. all. So it's attached.
I wont tell how it goes in the very end till i'm able to reproduce it, and also, cause i *cough* modified *cough* some file in my windows to do so (not distributing them, for legal reasons and so). In any case, i would just tell how to get the same file, through a process.
I h4ck3d this thing, now, where are my cookies? (just kidding)
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Disclaimer
Ha! Before doing anything, this is going to scr*w your XnaFramework 3.1 Zune capabilities, so.... backup first, backup first... did you backup?
Ha 2.0. This is you, doing it personally. If it's not legal there (?) i take no responsabilities from what you do. If you crash your windows/zune/kin... i won't pay it.
Procedure
- Install Visual studio 2008 c# express (or 2008 if you have it... legally and so on) for free from microsoft.
- Install the Xna framework 3.1 (I also installed 4.0 but... it's not going to work for other tests i wanna make... so.... i wouldnt do it)
- Install the Xna framework 3.1 zune extensions
- Install a hex editor ... my favourite is HxD but others, like ultraedit32 or... [insert other here] will work. Notepad is not a hex editor.
- Look for "XnatransZ.dll" under "c:\program files\common files\microsoft shared\xna" (or just common files will only have one or two inside). There are Am64 folders with it (64 bits) and X86 (32 bits), of course, you are going to edit the one you use and so....
- Backup... remember to backup... backup... man, do a backup. Then open the file
- Search for the following HEX pattern: 5a 00 75 00 6e 00 65 00 00 00
(which is "Z.u.n.e..."). Make sure that on the right side on HxD shows Zune alone and not "Z.u.n.e.D.e.v.i.c.e.", or so. Replace it (overwriting left side on Hxd) with: 4b 00 49 00 4e 00 00 00 00 00 (which is "K.I.N....")
- Save the file.
- Now use the xna device center to add a new device, and pick a Zune (yup, a zune). Kin will appear there if done correctly.
Explanation
Why this change? Well, seems like it's pretty much stupid things around.
First i thought that as there were only a few models of zune, the xna would have the PID and VID values for their devices.
Then through *magic process* i saw that it just looked at the "Zune" text and compared it with the devices on the system. So i changed the zune driver info to name the Kin as "Zune" (haha smart approach huh!) but the Zune software is sooo smart, that it changed the device name under device manager... Wow!
So... i checked that file and ... through *magic process* i found out that it checked the devices statically (using "Zune"), so as i couldn change my device name, i turned that string into ours: "KIN" and.. magic worked...
Surely, not going to help us... but it's kind of a weird thing that it worked "as is" (Xna detects the phone as compatible) even if later it says that the needed runtimes werent present at the phone (it's ok, the files for gaming aren't probably on the kin).
That means that microsoft could modify the Xna to let development on the kin, but was out of it, not the kin market i guess.

hmm.. if this XNA application doesn't appear on first page... then how did you launch it in the first place?
Any way of receiving already made apps?
You wrote to phone's unreachable memory?
Tutorial?
Too many question? umad?

Try to get one of the phones apps and see how they are coded so you can get one to launch

Antonpup said:
hmm.. if this XNA application doesn't appear on first page... then how did you launch it in the first place?
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Deployment launched it if i had the device connected, in a non error state, and with the screen showing the home (apps) window. IF it was with the screen turned of, it didnt showed anything (quite meh). Then i realizzed that it was on the recent
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Any way of receiving already made apps?
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Who knows yet?
Antonpup said:
You wrote to phone's unreachable memory?
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Not sure of where this app went, must recheck at night
Antonpup said:
Tutorial?
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When is repeatable or a working thing. I said, i modified files which is not the same as redevelop things. this is clearly a hack (of the files,not the device itself).

Great to hear of more potential progress here.
I'm curious, JohnKussack... was it my comment about XNA a while back that led you in this direction?
Marcellus1 said:
Would Zune apps loaded through KinO run? What about XNA apps?
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Marcellus1 said:
Great to hear of more potential progress here.
I'm curious, JohnKussack... was it my comment about XNA a while back that led you in this direction?
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Unfortunately, not. I was inspecting the Xna software for about 1 day or more before posting this. A few days before your post, i was able to upload anything with KinO and tried it without success.
This comes from *other* ways, which we have no idea about how they work. I will skip the part where i found how it all works when looking for a "Zune".
I've been experimenting with all the kin related test for a year (not continuosly) and went curious about "why Xna device center doesnt recognize the kin?". The answer is pretty much stupid: because it looks for the Zune.
I updated the first post about how to operate with the Xna framework, although it doesnt let you do anything, it's a lame thing.

Pretty cool findings, man. So are you able to duplicate this on both the TWO and TWOm versions of the OS? Are the results the same?
(actually, I don't even know if your current working device can be switched between the original and M versions of the OS)

klamation said:
So are you able to duplicate this on both the TWO and TWOm versions of the OS? Are the results the same?
(actually, I don't even know if your current working device can be switched between the original and M versions of the OS)
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I prefer not to play Russian Roulette with RB+power option, and getting a kintwo or a brick atm. If i was on verizon coverage area... mmmm might be. I'm getting this on my new phone, which is a Kin Two M (2 yellow dots model to be exact)
I will try to send programs till i figure out what could work or i get bored. In the end... microsoft abandoned the kin, so unless we test things... we'r stuck with the phone.
maybe one of this lame programs lets us read(even only reading) the normal filesystem.
In any case... i will try some helloworld!

I could kiss you right now

johnkussack, I've been reading all of your posts on here and... wow. I'm amazed at your knowledge and how much you have been able to figure out. You are so close to getting apps on this phone!
I know nothing about Windows hacking/development, but I have had experience with Android development on old WM6 devices. The hardware on this phone is capable of running android, the only thing stopping it is not being able to test the builds. If you figure out how to get apps to launch, one of the ones I suggest you put on your list is Haret.exe, then maybe we can send the android files to the phones storage and... well, I'm rambling on and on right now. Anyways, here's what I am thinking after reading all that you have done:
On my old Env2, the device was locked to only run BREW games, which was a pain because you can't torrent them Flash games couldn't be launched from the SD card or the internal memory, but some genius figured out that the calculator and the world clock were flash apps. So by connecting your phone to your PC and using bitpim (at least I think it was bitpim) you could replace the world clock or calculator with 2 flash games, like pac man.
So, I'm assuming that the apps already on the Kin are .exe or something, couldn't you just replace the calculator on the kin with a file system explorer?
You probably know all of this, I hope this post helped in some way and didn't just waste your time...
Good Luck! - Jeff

Jemilio3 said:
...So, I'm assuming that the apps already on the Kin are .exe or something, couldn't you just replace the calculator on the kin with a file system explorer?
You probably know all of this, I hope this post helped in some way and didn't just waste your time...
Good Luck! - Jeff
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The main complication with this is, we haven't found any way to get access to the main file system of the phone (the one containing the Windows Mobile OS files). BitPim gives access to one small area, and MTP (using John's KinO software) gives access to another area.
If we could find a way to gain access to the main operating system of the phone, then we're almost assured victory.

@Jemilio3 Thanks for the compliments hehehe.
As was very well explained by Klamation, we do not have access to the filesystem where the OS is (at least for now), we are kind of stuck with what we have.
From my past experiences with a win mobile 2003 pda, the system will be a fixed rom memory, user available space (configuration & temp values) and a storage card (our storage now).
So when we CB reboot the kin, just configuration & storage are cleaned.
I'm still operating on what to do with my pc, the disk is half dead, but isnt sata, so no replacement easily... reinstalling on another external disk to test things....tomorrow
There are several things to test by now:
-test for deployment tools on the xna3.1
-deployment of apps using xna 3.1 and openzdk deploy tools
-xna 3.1 deployment with visual studio (for ages testing)
.... a lot hahaha

It's very strange that the device is so locked down. Music and videos sync to the main memory, right? Maybe the solution isn't to hack the device, but to hack the program that syncs the music.
I wish I could help with the testing, but the only Kin I have access to is my dads, so I can't mess with it. Maybe I will call the people who made the Kin and see if they will help us.

Jemilio3 said:
Maybe I will call the people who made the Kin and see if they will help us.
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We already tried this. Microsoft, Sharp, and Verizon didn't help much. They mostly dropped support for the phone.

Jemilio3 said:
Maybe I will call the people who made the Kin and see if they will help us.
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Antonpup said:
We already tried this. Microsoft, Sharp, and Verizon didn't help much. They mostly dropped support for the phone.
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You are more than welcome to call. Past experience is you'll get a run-around of people telling you to call the other company, if you're lucky.
I've tried calling a few people (within Verizon) and basically reached dumb tech support people. (minor rant, how can you work in tech support when you are a self-proclaimed "non technical person"??)
If you do contact anyone more than the customer service and tech support staff with no information, like somebody who advises you to contact somebody else, please take note of whom they say to contact, and their own name/contact information. If we can actually get the right people, or at least get a lead on the right people to contact, maybe we can make progress within the companies.

@John
If you ever need parts or anything im sure all of us on here are willing to help, including me.

Jemilio3 said:
Maybe the solution isn't to hack the device, but to hack the program that syncs the music.
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That's what KinO is for .
The OS memory and the music/pictures/etc storage is different, so only apps should be able to use it.
@soninja Thanks . I guess that i will use one my several external disks instead the zombie one, but yesterday i had to classify ~200gb of info & videos into others before formatting it and reinstalling linux. My data inside was a mess rofl so it took about 4 hours.
In any case, thanks to awesome71717 & some random analysis i did on the kin mtp, i saw that most of the MTP commands used on the Zune HD app deployment are present on the kin MTP commands list, so at least deploy is available, even if it's not using XNA code, but c# code or so.

I know this might be a stupid question (this is really my 1st phone I've ever worked with)
but is there a way to push an XNA framework to the kin or something along those lines or would that just be pointless work?

jthree2001 said:
I know this might be a stupid question (this is really my 1st phone I've ever worked with)
but is there a way to push an XNA framework to the kin or something along those lines or would that just be pointless work?
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Probably easier to just test what works from the xna or c# examples. I dont want to deal with microsoft things more than needed. Legal issues and that things. I try to draw a line there.

I'm not 100% sure I understand how this all works but have we figured out how the browser adds links to the main menu? Or possibly where this is located?
What are we able to access at this time?
Heratiki

Possabilties/Theories

Mabey we should try getting windows 6.5 on the device for a start instead of other software like droid or windows phone 7. Its a start after all the software in 6.5 is older than the kin so it might actually be possable if we can find a way to get it on the device.
Have we ever tried getting software or custom firmware or apps on the device through email? MMS? Its worth a shot. My KIN recognizes docx files (No Clue Why But It Does). So mabey some of these sites that say they have kin twom apps arent as crazy as we might think. Its worth a shot so Ill try it. The only problem is email blocks the uploading of program files in hotmail but I dont know about any other service.

I have another idea I just thought of while reading some old posts. Why dont we go back to the old Zune HD approach and try to get the Zune HD apps onto the KIN via ActiveSync! I know its a longshot at best but its a start!

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via ActiveSync
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You didn't read enough.
And your docx recognition is not well explained. Furthermore, cab files (what you suggest) was tried and not detected.
I guess that's the problem when you come as the new guy, and open a bunch of threads as is. (when there's a big sticky thread for suggestions & thing to test, and you dont apport things but suggestion)

But what about ActiveSynce its possable? Also windows 6.5 OS (HTC Imagio) is older than the KIN software and hardware so it would mostlikely work if we could find a way to get it on the phone. I wonder if emailing the software piece by piece would work. hmmmmmmm....

WEM97 said:
But what about ActiveSynce its possable? Also windows 6.5 OS (HTC Imagio) is older than the KIN software and hardware so it would mostlikely work if we could find a way to get it on the phone. I wonder if emailing the software piece by piece would work. hmmmmmmm....
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You are more than welcome to try anything you want to. Don't be surprised when you find that everything you test fails.
The Kin has very unique hardware, so it's pretty much impossible to take an image of any other Windows Mobile device and try to put it on the Kin. That is, unless you have completely rewritten it for the hardware in the Kin.

was implied that was already tested. doesnt work.
And unfortunately, you cant just put another os in pieces (this isnt lego).

Point taken. Also why dont we try to find the old port KIN Studio used to use for its link up. Right now that seems the only way that we can get stuff onto the device.

WEM97 said:
Point taken. Also why dont we try to find the old port KIN Studio used to use for its link up. Right now that seems the only way that we can get stuff onto the device.
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While there was clearly some kind of communication between the Kin Studio and the Kin phones, the ONLY things that were synced were pictures, video, music files, and contacts. Guess what? We have access to ALL of that through KinO. I don't think finding the Kin Studio port would get us any further than we are now.

Can someone post all the KIN Key shortcuts?

WEM97 said:
Can someone post all the KIN Key shortcuts?
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Yeah, they are in another thread in this forum area.

Do you know which one?

There's a few of them, actually. If you've read through the different threads in this KIN Two Software Development area, you'll find some that go over the different keystrokes, the programnitt menu, and other fun things.

Coolz thanks.

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Mabey we should try getting windows 6.5 on the device for a start instead of other software like droid or windows phone 7. Its a start after all the software in 6.5 is older than the kin so it might actually be possable if we can find a way to get it on the device.
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Here's a bright idea. Maybe we should um.. I don't know, figure out how to read/write to the filesystem before we put a different OS on the Kin? Sorry if I sound like an ass.

Im not talking about that. I was saying when yuo download a file from email the phones software opens up and allows the file in. So what I was saying was mabey we should try getting small programs on through that. Just an idea.

WEM97 said:
Im not talking about that. I was saying when yuo download a file from email the phones software opens up and allows the file in. So what I was saying was mabey we should try getting small programs on through that. Just an idea.
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The ability to read docx files didn't just magically pop up on the device. It was programmed in by someone, (in other words it was intentional). I really doubt a programmer risked their job by adding in the functionality to open an executable file on the Kin, but you could try.

It didnt read it it just recognized the file type and gave me an option to open it.

the key to hacking the KIN

the key to hacking this phone, as ive noticed, isnt getting a new os. ive paid attention and i think i know what to do. we need a new internet browser. if you think about it, the browser is the problem because of its zero functionality. what we need to do is make an html parser in java that is invoked in javascript (dezgrz thx for finding out about the javascript apps). i think we should focus on getting this done.

Its a good idea but we have no way of uploading a new browser to the device.

X-15D9W8491 said:
the key to hacking this phone, as ive noticed, isnt getting a new os. ive paid attention and i think i know what to do. we need a new internet browser. if you think about it, the browser is the problem because of its zero functionality. what we need to do is make an html parser in java that is invoked in javascript (dezgrz thx for finding out about the javascript apps). i think we should focus on getting this done.
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Your post makes no sense.
First because that's not the key for hacking
Second cause java applications can't be invoked from javascript.

it does make sense @johnkussack
is does make sense. you can invoke a java app through js. quit criticizing me just because you dont know what youre talking about. and besides, what i meant to say (if this makes it easier to understand) is that we code a java app onto the phone that automatically connects to the browser and a download is set off in javascript that bypasses anything written into the browser by editing the permissions, etc by editing the browser and just making a new one and not being lazy. you of all people should know this makes sense because you programmed and app onto the kin! besides, the whole thing about hacking is to be optimistic or you never get it done and youre impeding development with stupid posts like your last. get a grip and post something important instead of that trash next time!

thats the point
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Its a good idea but we have no way of uploading a new browser to the device.
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exactly my point. we could just create a new app like john did only we make it work like john obviously failed to do.

X-15D9W8491 said:
exactly my point. we could just create a new app like john did only we make it work like john obviously failed to do.
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X-15D9W8491 said:
nonsense stuff
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First of all, you'r messing it all
Second, to run a java application you would need to have a java virtual machine (which kin has not), or interpretation for java applets (which kin has not).
Third, i do know what i talk about, cause i code in Java & Javascript.
X-15D9W8491 said:
is that we code a java app onto the phone that automatically connects to the browser and a download is set off in javascript that bypasses anything written into the browser by editing the permissions, etc by editing the browser and just making a new one and not being lazy.
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Here one could stop reading. Also you can call Kitt to try to hack it, but it may not answer.
So, do your work before saying that other have failed where you have no success either.
And if we could do that magic stuff, last thing we should do is care about a new browser, when you could just install opera for win ce. So all the topic is going nowhere.

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First of all, you'r messing it all
Second, to run a java application you would need to have a java virtual machine (which kin has not), or interpretation for java applets (which kin has not).
Third, i do know what i talk about, cause i code in Java & Javascript.
Here one could stop reading. Also you can call Kitt to try to hack it, but it may not answer.
So, do your work before saying that other have failed where you have no success either.
And if we could do that magic stuff, last thing we should do is care about a new browser, when you could just install opera for win ce. So all the topic is going nowhere.
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first, i havent had any success yet because those were plans. i havent tried this yet.
second, if putting on opera could help, why didnt you do it, "genius"?
if this thread is going nowhere then do me a favor and stop posting on it!

piss off
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You sound like a smart-ass. You think its so simple that you decide to make fun of John. Without John we wouldnt have done anything by now so you should just shut it.
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that post was an a and b conversation between me and john so c your way out, dumbass. and you should shut it because you havent really helped at all, john has gotten me nowhere because i started from the beginning before i was part of this, and i need absolutely no input from you.

X-15D9W8491 said:
second, if putting on opera could help, why didnt you do it, "genius"?
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because we don't know how to do that yet.

I don't own this device, but a friend does. What happens if you download an exe or cab from the browser?

xboxfanj said:
I don't own this device, but a friend does. What happens if you download an exe or cab from the browser?
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It tells you the file type is not supported. Basically, you can't download something to the Kin that it isn't designed to handle.

X-15D9W8491 said:
that post was an a and b conversation between me and john so c your way out, dumbass. and you should shut it because you havent really helped at all, john has gotten me nowhere because i started from the beginning before i was part of this, and i need absolutely no input from you.
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I am not taking sides here but you guys both have points. X has a really good idea though so at least try. show proof it dosent work then i will agree with you. Its a good idea but we dont have the means of getting into the KIN.

there comes a time
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the key to hacking this phone,[COLOR="Silver"][SIZE="1"] as ive noticed,[/SIZE][/COLOR] isnt getting a new os.
This is a solid point. We should not examine the possibilities of a new operating system until we are able to work with the current one.
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[COLOR="Silver"][SIZE="1"] ive paid attention and i think i know what to do.[/SIZE][/COLOR] we need a new internet [B]browser.[/B] if you think about it, the browser is the problem because of its zero functionality.
Maybe so. Though the current OS has many shortcommings of, you could definitely argue that none are as confining as the browser
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what we need to do is make an html parser in java
I am not sure what you mean by this. My initial impression is that coding an HTML parser from the ground up in Java is far out of the scope of this project. Perhaps you will explain it's purpose in a later part of your post.
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that is invoked in javascript (dezgrz thx for finding out about the javascript apps).
I guess what you mean by this is to use the current browser's javascript interpreter to invoke the HTML parser. There are a few severe hurdles you'd have to overcome to do this.
First of all and from what I understand, the Kin's built-in browser is IE 6 for Mobile. Web developers and users alike agree that IE6, regrardless of it's environment is a very broken web browser. Despite this, it is still a full-featured web browser, at least by Microsoft's standards. So for the purpose of security, Microsoft has probably constructed the browser in such a way that code run in it will be heavily isolated from the rest of the OS. I know that exploits for IE6 are a dime a dozen but even most of those require more access to the device than we have. Our situation is compounded by the fact that, even as far as other mobile versions of IE6 go, the Kin's browser is badly crippled.
Second of all, assuming you could somehow invoke the Java code through JS, the Java code would still have to be interpreted and run using a Java interpreter which the phone lacks. Java is an interpreted language. What that means is that in the most basic sense, a Java application is comprised of a bunch of text files containing programmer code. When you 'run' a java application, what you are really doing is running a special program (called a Java INTERPRETER, what we've been talking about) that takes that programmer code and turns it into computer code that is capable of being executed. The interpreter is the part that the Kin lacks. Without it, the text files of programmer code that are the java application just look like ordinary text files to the Kin.
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[COLOR="Silver"][SIZE="1"]i think we should focus on getting this done.[/SIZE][/COLOR]
...and unfortunately we've come to the end of the post. I have only talked about some of the preliminary issues with your project roadmap but IMHO they'd be pretty fatal to it's success.
Let me know if you'd like me to explain anything else to you. In the meanwhile, let's wait and see what more directed people like JK come up with.

Oh thank goodness, another post. Perhaps this one will explain some of the discontinuities that arose in the first post.
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[COLOR="Silver"][SIZE="1"]is does make sense.[/SIZE][/COLOR] you can invoke a java app through js.
I am not aware of any way to do so, especially on as crippled a browser as the kin one. I've already kind of addressed this in the previous post albeit indirectly.
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[COLOR="Silver"][SIZE="1"]quit criticizing me just because you dont know what youre talking about. and besides, what i meant to say (if this makes it easier to understand) is that[/SIZE][/COLOR]
I've decided to minify all the psychosocial turmoil content in his posts in order to make what I am referring to more clear.
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we code a java app onto the phone that automatically connects to the browser
This portion confused me for a bit as in the first post you talked about a Java HTML parser howerver now it seems to have changed to something that simply interfaces the current browser. Maybe this would be more within the scope of the project but you'd still have to get through all the aforementioned hurdles. Even so I'm not really sure what purpose it would serve.
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and a download is set off in javascript that
Oh ok, here you are explaining how the Java code gets to the browser. You use javascript injection to make the browser download the Java application.
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bypasses anything written into the browser
Now, this would be a real trick. Accomplishing this would be equivalent to acquiring a U-Boat by fishing in the toilet.
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by editing the permissions, etc by editing the browser
Another primary problem about your train of thought is that you seemingly assume that javascript is capable of doing debug-level computing tasks such as significantly modifying a compiled binary and perform priveleged filesystem operations. Stuff like this would be a pain in the neck to do even on a desktop computer with suited programming languages.
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and just making a new one [COLOR="Silver"][SIZE="1"]and not being lazy. [/SIZE][/COLOR]
Javascript is a language designed for the web, not general purpose and certainly not for creating another web browser from scratch. JS, like Java is an interpreted language except the interpreter is included in the web browser. I am not sure coding a web browser within a web browser would produce very desireable results, esp. with such limited processing power as is available on Kin hardware.
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[COLOR="Silver"][SIZE="1"]you of all people should know this makes sense because [/SIZE][/COLOR]you programmed and app onto the kin![COLOR="Silver"][SIZE="1"] besides, the whole thing about hacking is to be optimistic or you never get it done and youre impeding development with stupid posts like your last. get a grip and post something important instead of that trash next time![/SIZE][/COLOR]
hm. hm.
In conclusion, have a nice day.

In fact,iirc the Kin doesnt even have Javascript but JScript. Microsoft implementation, compatible with javascript itself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JScript
The funny commands which could expose part of the system doesnt work, of course.

That's just weird
johnkussack said:
In fact,iirc the Kin doesnt even have Javascript but JScript. Microsoft implementation, compatible with javascript itself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JScript
The funny commands which could expose part of the system doesnt work, of course.
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ok. first, let's forget our arguments and move on, those have nothing to do with what we are trying to accomplish. Second, how related is jscript to javascript because microsoft always has to make weird implementations of porgramming languages. This could possibly be a minor setback. Third, i'll admit that some things I posted didn't make sense, so i'll make them more understandable in the future.

my ideas

well here are some of my ideas on how we could possibly hack this phone:
1.Dig in-
we try to get into the phone's files as deeply as possible and see what we find. if it's something worth investigating, we change this around and see what happens.
2.Silverlight-
We somehow code a javascript app that is actually a microsoft silverlight plugin for the browser. then, i can finish the gui i was making in silverlight and test it on the phone, since the original gui was also made in silverlight.
3.file system explorer
i might be able to use the ftp client to download a file system explorer, or, by some miracle, we code a working file system explorer in javascript.
4. java vm-
once i do some super heavy research on the java vm, its requirements, its functions, and how they are programmed into mobile devices, we could figure out a way to get one on the kin and just make java apps for it.
5. Flash
i, for one, may be able to deal with just having flash, but due to the downloading problems of the phone, this one seems headed downhill.
if anybody else has any theories or ideas for hacking this phone, just post it and ill test it out and tweak it for hopefully good results.
P.S.- i typed this all on the kin. i don't recommend lengthy messages like this with the kin because it makes your fingers sore.

Do it.
Good Idea!
DO IT!
This forum is saturated with off-the-brian ideas. We need someone to figure something else out. We have hit a wall pretty much since the release of KINO. The only advancement we have made on this phone is that I can now backup and restore contacts.
When I say "We" I mean JohnKussack all respect to the man ofcourse.

think positive
well john's not the only one who can do things. if everyone thought like that post then we wouldn,t even be able to do that. the more people that try to do what john does, the more things will get done and the more out-of-the-box ideas will appear.

Ideas Thread

I decided it might be a good idea to have a thread to post ideas because the "What we have tried and where to go from here" thread is very over crowded with questions.
Post any ideas you have below and WHY it might work.
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* Make a web interface for accesing the Kin
Might work if the right guy makes libraries compatible with windows(i asked already).
If they do, or i'm able to do, i will keep going with it, so it's available for anyone with few steps for configuring (and extend). Btw, it's done on javascript & html so i guess people with only that knowledge could change the skin or behaviour if wanted.
* Make a web interface for the kin (so "webapp"?)
Don't see the point, but some say it's a great stuff. Might work if you care about making it. In the end is just take all with a css for the kin screen.
* Dump the movinand chip using (e)MMC protocol with right pin-outs
Might work as someone here already did for samsung smartphones (with movinand) using UART (so serial cable like). I tested and our SBL (LS+POW mode) doesn't answer OK or in a right way through USB to the MMC command protocol so... i guess that's not the way.

1. Make a web OS for the KIN's browser.
This would allow us to make a web based software that would be better than the KIN, but this wouldnt get us anywhere in hacking the KIN.
2. Create a web apps market.
Might be useful for anyone who wants an app store, this would be close. I like the idea of it. =)

I am gonna try this http://windowsphonehacker.com/mobil...terop_unlocked_only_lucky_need_apply-04-14-12
When someone reminds me how to sr phone as qualcomm.
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