This question is pertaining to hardware. Let me repeat that one more time HARDWARE!.!. NOT-->Software<--NOT
Are we going to have to physically modify the logic board of the phone to obtain root on our evo's? From what I have been reading it is locked down tight. And I have followed other projects of modding and hacking software and hardware, e.g. ps3, tivo, and such, and with more updates that come out the more impossible it is to be hacked, which in turns requires hardware modifications. Is this going to happen with the evo?
No, just some extra time to crack the bootloader.
Thank you good Sir.
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Thank you good Sir.
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No problem. Some devs are just on the Evo 3D getting that taken care of, but it'll be cracked for the Evo in time.
Ya I figured, it makes since, its a new device. I just might go back the NS4g, only thing is no hdmi. Netflix runs smother on my phone then my tv.
I'd be satisfied with a Sticky Temp root. 90% of what I want is Wifi Tether and remove some bloatware.
The 3D is built different than 4G even though both bootloaders may be locked down as tight, the OS might not be as tightly locked down on 4G as on 3D.
mswlogo said:
I'd be satisfied with a Sticky Temp root. 90% of what I want is Wifi Tether and remove some bloatware.
The 3D is built different than 4G even though both bootloaders may be locked down as tight, the OS might not be as tightly locked down on 4G as on 3D.
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That would be nice. I like the 3D, if they can get that rooted in the near future, I will just use my upgrade for that.
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Is there a reason for me to root? Everyone is talking greek to me I am a complete noob when it comes to this. I have tethered my phone with no problems, I'm not really interested in overclocking. So is there any reason at all I would want to go through the headache of trying to figure all this stuff out and root my phone?
One of the major reasons I root is so I can use custom roms, edited versions of the stock os, that are modified to include different features and improve the speed of the device, others love rooting for the ability to customize anything you want to.
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While all those are valid, none of those exist; and even the current Root is not NAND write enabled.
After seeing all the problems in rooting combined with threads regarding phones REALLY acting up after, I would say ... don't root unless and until you see a custom ROM you like.
Personally, anything Rooting would get me, FroYo will get me too; and while a faster custom FroYo would get my attention; Verizon WILL release Froyo in 2010 at some point. I'll be waiting.
jdmba said:
Personally, anything Rooting would get me, FroYo will get me too; and while a faster custom FroYo would get my attention; Verizon WILL release Froyo in 2010 at some point. I'll be waiting.
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Just don't hold your breath! On the WinMo side, at least, they're a few quarters behind the OS update schedule, mainly thanks to HTC's Sense(less)UI. Since we have a layer of HTC stuff on top of Android, you can expect to wait just as long for 2.2.
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Just don't hold your breath! On the WinMo side, at least, they're a few quarters behind the OS update schedule, mainly thanks to HTC's Sense(less)UI. Since we have a layer of HTC stuff on top of Android, you can expect to wait just as long for 2.2.
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I'd bet we'll have a FroYo port waaay before VZ pushes it out over the air. I think (!) HTC's Software Quality Assurance is more thorough (and slower than) Google's Quality Assurance, or at least Google would rather push an update out with fewer features whereas HTC will wait for all features to work. AFAIK, VZ has very little to add or subtract to the mix -- how long does it take to recompile against a new framework and kernel?
superflysmith said:
Is there a reason for me to root? Everyone is talking greek to me I am a complete noob when it comes to this. I have tethered my phone with no problems, I'm not really interested in overclocking. So is there any reason at all I would want to go through the headache of trying to figure all this stuff out and root my phone?
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If you have to ask, then you truly shouldn't be rooting your phone.
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If you have to ask, then you truly shouldn't be rooting your phone.
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I haven't been trying. Just trying to see if it's even worth trying to figure out. At this point I see nothing that would make me want to anyhow.
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If you have to ask, then you truly shouldn't be rooting your phone.
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Shoot first, call Verizon Warrant Department is my motto
Why, indeed! What else is there to do but constantly trying to break your phone with new mods?
rynosaur said:
Shoot first, call Verizon Warrant Department is my motto
Why, indeed! What else is there to do but constantly trying to break your phone with new mods?
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I miss messing with stuff... i came from a G1 were i was running a different rom every 3 days it seemed like.. i was constantly messing with things with it just for ****s and giggles
I do feel really locked down with the incredible in knowing that i cant really mess with anything, the only thing ive been able to change is the boot screen and put the nexus animation on that instead of the stupid verizon symbol.
Too be honest though nothings even wrong with my phone whatsoever... the OS is perfectly fine and does everything i want it too, i cant really complain about anything with the software on it now... its just that want to customize thats driving my desire to root.. moreso then any actual need as everything works fine
The WiFi tether and lamppu was good enough for me now until we get custom roms
An even better title for this thread would be
"Why is this in 'Development' and not in 'General'?"
kentoe said:
The WiFi tether and lamppu was good enough for me now until we get custom roms
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I'm with you there, those dual LED's are serious.
KB Smoka said:
I'm with you there, those dual LED's are serious.
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Omfg I know, right? I flashed them in my eyes accidentally and I was like holy crap, blinded me for about a minute.
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An even better title for this thread would be
"Why is this in 'Development' and not in 'General'?"
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That would be a great title, you're right!!!
I got a froyo port going!
jdmba said:
While all those are valid, none of those exist; and even the current Root is not NAND write enabled.
After seeing all the problems in rooting combined with threads regarding phones REALLY acting up after, I would say ... don't root unless and until you see a custom ROM you like.
Personally, anything Rooting would get me, FroYo will get me too; and while a faster custom FroYo would get my attention; Verizon WILL release Froyo in 2010 at some point. I'll be waiting.
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I have released a froyo port method over at the "anyone want froyo" thread on the 8th page. I hope it helps anyone!
Joe92T said:
Too be honest though nothings even wrong with my phone whatsoever... the OS is perfectly fine and does everything i want it too, i cant really complain about anything with the software on it now... its just that want to customize thats driving my desire to root.. moreso then any actual need as everything works fine
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+1. There is not much that comes to mind with regard to things I'd like to improve with the DI. For example, the phone has more app storage than I could ever use, so there is no need for A2SD. And the processing speed is satisfying, so gaining OC'd kernel isn't a big priority. However, I simply miss being able to **** around with and compare various ROM's and mods, even if they are unneccessary on this device.
I have no real reason to root just yet, well then again I'm totally new to android, so I'm not exactly sure what rooting entails. All I want is stock 2.2 froyo, the day that is ported over to our phone is the day I will be rooted.
Can't wait..
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The WiFi tether and lamppu was good enough for me now until we get custom roms
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i agree, the wifi tether is what made me root now rather than later.
HELP..Will my 16gb card work?
if i go buy a 2gb card to root my phone can i use my 16gb when im done rooting or am i stuck with the 2gb?
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if i go buy a 2gb card to root my phone can i use my 16gb when im done rooting or am i stuck with the 2gb?
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Absolutely....just need the POS 2GB to get ADB going.
So everything I've read about this phone indicates that it's more closely related to the G2/Desire Z than anything else, sharing a lot of common components. So my question is do you guys think that rooting methods/ROMs for the G2/Desire Z would work for this phone? I think it would be awesome to be able to root it the first day I get it and flash CM6 so I don't lose much in the transition from my Hero. I use tethering EVERY day, and I don't think I'd be able to get around Sprint's tethering thing if I leave it on a stock ROM.
From someone terribly uneducated when it comes to all things root, I'd probably say that's ridiculously unlikely to be the case.
The shift is one ugly phone. I'd stick with the G2.
Sent from my CyanogenMod powered G2.
The shift looks like a evo and epic 4g had sex n spit out that bull****.
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So everything I've read about this phone indicates that it's more closely related to the G2/Desire Z than anything else, sharing a lot of common components. So my question is do you guys think that rooting methods/ROMs for the G2/Desire Z would work for this phone? I think it would be awesome to be able to root it the first day I get it and flash CM6 so I don't lose much in the transition from my Hero. I use tethering EVERY day, and I don't think I'd be able to get around Sprint's tethering thing if I leave it on a stock ROM.
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While I agree that the Evo Shift internally is very similar to the G2/DZ, the fact that it has a CDMA radio means it has a different radio image which means it can't be rooted/s-off with the current methods. If we're lucky, all that needs to be done is the current methods modified to work. But the ROMs would not be interchangeable. If there isn't by now, there will be a seperate forum for it. Much like there's the Hero and CDMA Hero forums.
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While I agree that the Evo Shift internally is very similar to the G2/DZ, the fact that it has a CDMA radio means it has a different radio image which means it can't be rooted/s-off with the current methods. If we're lucky, all that needs to be done is the current methods modified to work. But the ROMs would not be interchangeable. If there isn't by now, there will be a seperate forum for it. Much like there's the Hero and CDMA Hero forums.
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Snap. I didn't even think of that.
i do like the sliding mechanism alot more..but thats alright.
i know there isnt a root for the evo with 2.3 yet but im just curious why not
If you think you can do it..by all means...it takes a lot of work to find a root. Ways that use to work get fixed by companies...basically it boils down to detective work which cannot have a time table and takes a incredible amount of patience and brainpower..along with luck. Basically it boils down to finding a exploit...a way to somehow get foot in door...then once that is done...exploring the exploit for options to elevate privileges to get temp or permanent root. How they do this takes time..and a lot of tinkering. And once the root method is out...companies fix it and the game starts all over again.
ok cus i was just wondering if htc blocked it for some reason
Companies do block it..but mostly for security reasons..the same exploits used for rooting also can be used for malware and some nasty other type of software...spyware and so on.
ok thanks i was under the assumption that thats the best part of android, to you know mess with it and mold it and hack it .....thats why android is suppose to be better then apple as well as different....oh well we cant have everything
thanks for clearing it up though
as its been said, this stuff takes time, and luck, and sometimes not even that works,,
i believe they have made some progress, monitor the irc channel yourself during nights and you can see some chatter about it, but it looks like its not quite ready and/or stable as of yet, though i hear the hboot problem has already been beaten...
we shall see, just be patient and try to not make the mods work more by asking this questions in a separate thread, you could have very well asked this in one of the other ones talking about this
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ok thanks i was under the assumption that thats the best part of android, to you know mess with it and mold it and hack it .....thats why android is suppose to be better then apple as well as different....oh well we cant have everything
thanks for clearing it up though
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I wouldn't call it a part of Android since every non-Nexus/dev Android phones required the exploitation of the software for root to be possible.
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Actually I think its all non samsung phones. But of course I could be totally wrong.
deanventure said:
ok thanks i was under the assumption that thats the best part of android, to you know mess with it and mold it and hack it .....thats why android is suppose to be better then apple as well as different....oh well we cant have everything
thanks for clearing it up though
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Android itself is open, but any phone that the carriers and manufacturers have control over generally gets locked down. The Nexus phones are the notable exception, and are intended for use by developers and tinkerers. In particular, the bootloader is locked down to prevent you from tinkering. However, there's been a big push to get manufacturers to release their phones in way where the bootloader can easily be unlocked. Many have stated they will move in this direction, but it's a recent development. I'm also still not fully convinced the carriers won't try and succeed in blocking it, but getting the manufacturers to commit to it is a great start.
Until then, we have to rely on an exploit, which for almost all versions of almost all phones, they've been able to do. But it isn't necessarily easy. You still have FAR more customization and tinkering opportunities on Android even without an unlocked bootloader, but once you have that, yes, you can tinker with Android in ways you couldn't even imagine with Apple.
I don't see how this is legal. We're paying on average $300-$500 for phones, that are mini-computers. I can pay that for a laptop and get a mobile usb stick for it on the same carrier, and I have many options of Operation Systems to put on said laptop, even though it's an HP, or a Dell, or a Chinese Knockoff.
Same with Sony and XboX, such Bullcrap!
You think with HTC finally about to release their root tools, you think they'll release it for the Evo's latest OTA? just want to hear some opinions. Here's the site btw http://www.htcdev.com/
Nope, at least not for awhile. And there are no "root tools".
I seriously doubt it, but my fingers are crossed. The OG EVO is on its way out the door to for the 3D and stuff to take center stage. Don't worry though, root has been found by TeamWin, they're just working on making it safe to use and not brick phones. I read they found an exploit in the mobile browser, so it's just a matter of time before it comes out.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1209457
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I seriously doubt it, but my fingers are crossed. The OG EVO is on its way out the door to for the 3D and stuff to take center stage. Don't worry though, root has been found by TeamWin, they're just working on making it safe to use and not brick phones. I read they found an exploit in the mobile browser, so it's just a matter of time before it comes out.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1209457
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I don't believe we are 100% certain this will work with Android 2.3.3 or that it can be used to obtain root. But I'm really hoping... And it shows that there are still options out there.
Also, Agrabren has been working specifically on rooting the EVO 4G. Two days ago on Twitter he said something like "Hope is not required, just patience".
UPS has just posted my GN2 package as "Out for delivery"!
I have already downloaded all of the files I'll need to root & flash a ROM. I've even built my home screen in UCCW.
I honestly don't care to know how great this device is without root & tweaks so I'm going to blow that warranty out of the water ASAP.
Does anybody know whether it will make a difference if I root before I even get online with Sprint services activated on the device?
I'm assuming I would be able to do so as long as I can get a wifi connection.
Yes, I am very impatient. I'm retiring a 2.5 year-old OG Evo for this. I'm emotionally needy for a new gadget.
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UPS has just posted my GN2 package as "Out for delivery"!
I have already downloaded all of the files I'll need to root & flash a ROM. I've even built my home screen in UCCW.
I honestly don't care to know how great this device is without root & tweaks so I'm going to blow that warranty out of the water ASAP.
Does anybody know whether it will make a difference if I root before I even get online with Sprint services activated on the device?
I'm assuming I would be able to do so as long as I can get a wifi connection.
Yes, I am very impatient. I'm retiring a 2.5 year-old OG Evo for this. I'm emotionally needy for a new gadget.
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Personally, I'd activate first(it takes 5 minutes at most), and spend a little bit of time making sure you didn't get a dud before you modify it.
I don't think it matters though