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[Q] Drawbacks to debranding to get NoDo?

I was just wondering if there were any drawbacks to debranding a phone just to get the update?
I have done some searches and nothing has come up so far for this question.
Thanks!
Oh and as you know that the big plus for debranding is that you can get NoDo.

clmbngbkng said:
I was just wondering if there were any drawbacks to debranding a phone just to get the update?
I have done some searches and nothing has come up so far for this question.
Thanks!
Oh and as you know that the big plus for debranding is that you can get NoDo.
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Eh, I dont know what version you get when you update officially but it may be different... I really doubt there's any drawbacks though.

That's what I am gathering and it makes sense if Microsoft wants to keep the WP7 together as a whole.
Thank you!

The drawback is you don't get updated apps from your carrier + phone manufacturer. But all you have to do is rebrand it and just download the apps from the market, if you really want them.

ryude said:
The drawback is you don't get updated apps from your carrier + phone manufacturer. But all you have to do is rebrand it and just download the apps from the market, if you really want them.
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Now that is what I was expecting. I have my phone unlocked with the Chevron tool and if in the future I can't add back that string then I am hosed?
Will I at least keep the registry editor on the phone through the update process so I can then change it back?
Thanks for the response!

If you do the little hack to prevent re-locking (via Samsung Tools or the registry edit), the unlocked state should persist across the NoDo update as long as you don't do a hard reset. You won't, however, be able to use Chevron to unlock if you hard-reset the phone or otherwise manage to re-lock it after installing NoDo.
As for carrier apps, I can still access the AT&T AppCenter, useless as their stuff may be. That's either based on a different registry entry or on your SIM card, not on this update branding entry. I haven't been able to discern any effects other than whether the update servers will give you the updates or not.
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Brian
Samsung Focus, AT&T (unbranded, unlocked, NoDo)

All of your information will be backed up and carry over to the new update, don't worry about that.

bkaul said:
If you do the little hack to prevent re-locking (via Samsung Tools or the registry edit), the unlocked state should persist across the NoDo update as long as you don't do a hard reset.
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Do you know where that regedit is off the top of your head? I never applied it in the past so I have always had my Chevron unlocked phone relock after a week or two.
I will also look around here but thought I would ask you first.
Thanks for helping out everyone!
EDIT: And yes AT&T doesn't have many apps that I care about but I do like their account login app to check on how many minutes and texts that I have used.
EDIT 2: I found the Samsung Tools that you were talking about. Here is a link to the page for anyone. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=924497

clmbngbkng said:
Do you know where that regedit is off the top of your head? I never applied it in the past so I have always had my Chevron unlocked phone relock after a week or two.
I will also look around here but thought I would ask you first.
Thanks for helping out everyone!
EDIT: And yes AT&T doesn't have many apps that I care about but I do like their account login app to check on how many minutes and texts that I have used.
EDIT 2: I found the Samsung Tools that you were talking about. Here is a link to the page for anyone. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=924497
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MyAT&T runs on any phone, as long as you have a network connection.
I think there is no drawback to unbrand. AT&T provides nothing other than update delay.

Does anyone know of the exact registry value that gets changed to prevent the relocking?
I know that the Samsung Tools will write the value but I can't find out what it changes.
I'm just trying to find it so it can be posted here and we can get it out to others before they update to NoDo.
EDIT: Found the string to keep it from relocking.
From here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=938106
Prevent Phone from Relocking
The phone is unlocked, but will relock every time it syncs to Zune unless one of these hacks are done.
Samsung Devices (also removes sideload limit, fixes MMS/data on unlocked phones!):http://forum.xda-developers.com/atta...4&d=1295825731 from this great thread by lyriquidperfection
All other devices:
In an installed registry editor, navigate to the following key and change these values.
Code:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\DeviceReg]
"PortalUrlProd"=""
"PortalUrlInt"=""
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Downgrade HTC Mozart from NoDo

hi guys,
i dont want to have the nodo update but i updated is it possible to remove nodo after update? or downgrade or something like this... i have no unlock now and the games the market are tooooo expensive...
i need a good instruction for downgrading or how to remove the nodo. thx alot
i have a htc mozart without branding
greetings joop

try searching your device's thread on how to flash your phone with an earlier rom.

i looked in the device thread but i find nothing so i wanted so ask here

So you just have LEGALLY buy everything now then like everyone else... stop ripping app developers off. .
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App

HTCjoop said:
hi guys,
i dont want to have the nodo update but i updated is it possible to remove nodo after update? or downgrade or something like this... i have no unlock now and the games the market are tooooo expensive...
i need a good instruction for downgrading or how to remove the nodo. thx alot
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Step by step instructions for solving your problem:
1. Stop wasting time on this board
2. Apply for a part time job
3. Get job
4. Use cash from job to pay developers for their work

very useful posts - not.
i pay apps, but if apps have NO try version so i should pay 6 € for a app, that i dont know? not rly guys... or without unlock i cant use accent changer or something else. so please dont msg me with "get job" or something like that... very childish. u dont know me so u cant judge about me!

HTCjoop said:
very useful posts - not.
i pay apps, but if apps have NO try version so i should pay 6 € for a app, that i dont know? not rly guys... or without unlock i cant use accent changer or something else. so please dont msg me with "get job" or something like that... very childish. u dont know me so u cant judge about me!
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We don't know you, but we can judge you based off of your posts. If you are not willing to take a chance on a 6buck game, then don't.
But when you come on here advocating piracy, you will get flamed and possible banned. I wonder if you ever went back and bought any of those games after "trialing" them.... I bet not.
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I have a Italian htc mozart with nodo.
I would like to downgrade to unlock it
there is a method?

Hi,
I have a HTC Mozart from the German T-Mobile.
Because it took me to much time to wait for NoDo I flashed with a HTC debranded Rom and made the update to NoDo.
Now I would like to go back to the Build 7004 of the debranded Rom to make the unlock / jailbreak and later update to NoDo.
So I thougt I just flash the debranded Rom over my current NoDo Phone.
But everytime I flash it, there is still NoDo!!!
The Rom didn't had NoDo when I flashed it in the first place. It seems like flashing doesn't work or the Phone updates it self during the first start up.
I tried it more than one time.
Flashing back to the original T-Mobile Rom brings me back to Build 7004. But when I flash now the debrandet Rom it will be NoDo!
Anybody have an idea?

I have known enough of the HTC hardware architecture over the years to realize that re-imaging should be a no-brainer but also that the devil is in the partitions. However, for some unexplained reason, Mr. Watson's note/warning makes me wonder if reflashing will actually leave it just as new...
http://windowsteamblog.com/windows_...all-updated-windows-phones-are-not-alike.aspx
Are you flashing using all the nbh files (meaning, *all* partitions)? What tool are you using to flash? Maybe that scenario is what he describes in his post, where there are leftovers? {however should not apply if flashing} But, you say that using the original ROM does bring everything back to 7004. Odd indeed.
As a final note and taking a different approach, check http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=671743. He mentions that when dumping there is a bunch of unkown partitions. What if the update stored some update-related stuff, applicable only to the unbranded version (in other words, those alledged update bits being version specific)? Such a conspiracy theory would suit your scenario.

Hi fosormic,
thanks for your answer.
Maybe I can solve the problem flashing another Rom from this site. It really seems like there is a rest of the NoDo-Update on the Phone for the HTC Rom.
But even when I flash down to 7004 with the T-Mobile Rom the NoDo pieces will stay.
A friend using Android asked me if it's not possible to set an option to erase the whole phone before flashing. That could be an option but I'm not sure if it's available on Windows Phone.
OK, I will work with the T-Mobile Rom. Do you think it will work installing NoDo and later flash back to the 7004 Version?
Regards
Dennis

dennis_dieckmann said:
Hi fosormic,
thanks for your answer.
Maybe I can solve the problem flashing another Rom from this site. It really seems like there is a rest of the NoDo-Update on the Phone for the HTC Rom.
But even when I flash down to 7004 with the T-Mobile Rom the NoDo pieces will stay.
A friend using Android asked me if it's not possible to set an option to erase the whole phone before flashing. That could be an option but I'm not sure if it's available on Windows Phone.
OK, I will work with the T-Mobile Rom. Do you think it will work installing NoDo and later flash back to the 7004 Version?
Regards
Dennis
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Hi there, to be honest I have no clue. I suspect your friend is a Samsung user (I have 3 devices) and yes you can repartition a Samsung and very easily mess it up beyond almost almost any help. I have never seen a repartitionable HTC device but my knowledge at such low level is quite superficial. From the bootloader viewpoint they do seem almost identical (newer versions aside) to me.
Sorry not to be more helpful. It is more of an academic thing to me but I know it is a real deal to you
Best of luck mate,

[Update!] Mango update safest way(Patched provisioning file)

Guys... I'll be posting a patched provision tool today soon as I get home.
This tool will not requires that you have a dev unlocked phone.
See you later today...
[Update]
If you have the original files, there is no reason to take the risk on tools that you dont trust. The provision tool has a check validation that only query the WP7 register to see if it is dev unlocked. The provision tool is not obfuscated. So, if you want make it work without risk. Just patch the provision tool and remove the IF() statement where the method private bool IsDevUnlocked() is called and always return true. Just recompile and run it using the same steps provided on PDF and you will be safe with the original update files, backup, and your WP7 will be safe to come back to retails version to allow you update to Mango later this year...
PS: Dont ask in this thread where to find the files... It was already spred over other posts and over internet. Just make sure you are with the original files from MS Connect and you are good to go. And remember, lots of features for consumers are not enabled right now. It is a Dev build.
[Update - Add patched provisioning file]
Ok, since some people asked me to patch the file myself, there is the link to the patched provision tool. Find yourself the other files and follow exactly same steps provided on MS pdf guide except that instead of use the original EXE that comes from MS, use the link instead. THIS PATCH IS PROVIDED AS IS WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY! DO IT AT YOUR OWN RISK! AND DONT FORGOT TO KEEP SAFE YOUR DEVICE BACKUP OTHERWISE YOU WILL BE STUCKED ON BETA ROM FOREVER!!!
I hope all you enjoy it.

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ziggy89 said:
the sharing already started
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Weird... I dont see anywhere in the forum the provisioning tools... Was thinking on start sharing it...

i'm having dificulties on aproving my account :\

Question: To become a developer you have to pay anything to Microsoft? If not, how to get the beta copy of mango?

sdnsilva said:
Question: To become a developer you have to pay anything to Microsoft? If not, how to get the beta copy of mango?
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Yes, Microsoft charges a $99 fee to become a developer, unless you are registered with Dreamspark (for students). And I'm not sure where the link is posted, but I think someone has uploaded the files. Try searching Google and XDA.

simply use this: http://windowsphonehacker.com/articles/get_the_mango_update_now._without_being_a_developer.-06-30-11
its easy, creates a backup and was done within 1 hour for me!

Looks like we need a new unlocker ... my previously sideloaded applications got revoked and I have no choice but to uninstall it.
Other than that, it's very significant upgrade to my previous 7392 Focus. Love the Facebook integration (though the chat still unusable)
* Edit : Facebook chat worked. I just realized this after one of my friend chat me.

Sh4wN said:
simply use this: http://windowsphonehacker.com/articles/get_the_mango_update_now._without_being_a_developer.-06-30-11
its easy, creates a backup and was done within 1 hour for me!
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It creates a backup? From that link you posted:
Keep in mind this tool does not backup your phone
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Then there is a reference to the tool I made. I guess this is the reason for the renewed interest in the backup tool.
Scratch that, I looked at his bat file and he is using the enablebackup flag and he says in a comment it is new. I guess he hasnt updated his thread.

Sh4wN said:
simply use this: http://windowsphonehacker.com/articles/get_the_mango_update_now._without_being_a_developer.-06-30-11
its easy, creates a backup and was done within 1 hour for me!
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same here. Non developer HTC surround

Has anyone done this on a device that has been un-Walshed?

is this unlocked ? .. or do we have to start over and do the reg trick to unlock mango ?

Help is needed urgently.

I got the following response:
The application cannot be tested for compliance for Windows Phone 7 Application Certification Requirements because it fails to launch on all Windows Phone 7 devices. The application terminates at launch.
However, I tested it on my own device and emulator, it works fine on all of them.
Here is a little background.
My app requires internet to run, if there is no internet for the phone, it will pop a message to let users know that it needs the internet and exit.
Currently, I am supporting both Nodo and Mango. Mango version has been approved already. The nodo version shares most the code of mango with 7.1 related features removed. The mango version has the title of "XXX for mango", and the nodo version has the title of "XXX for nodo". I don't know if this can be the cause of the problem. Can someone please give me some insights on this?

I am fairly certain that you shouldnt be exiting the application like that. Bring them to a screen/page that lets them retry or make the popup let them retry.

I am not sure if that was the problem tho. because my app has been like this since day 1, and mango version was recently certified too.

Well you can try to resubmit and it might pass...contact create.msdn.com support to get more info.

I did, it failed again. The only reason I can think of is that if its not an clean install, meaning update from an existing older version of the app, there might be some issues, since I changed the structure of the storages. but i don't know how to test it.

Maybe request Microsoft to provide some debug information to you?
If you install your previous version (hope you kept your versioning archived somewhere) by deploying to emulator/phone, then deploy the new version, it may act as an upgrade, and you should be able to see what is happening with debugger attached. I haven't released an upgrade to any of my apps, so I'm not too sure on this feature.
If you did change isolated storage (definitions, etc), that may be your problem (serialization/deserialization).
Try the Windows Phone Power Tools from Codeplex, it has options to 'Upgrade': http://wptools.codeplex.com/ and provides a GUI for browsing storage.
There is also an Isolated Storage Explorer as part of the SDK [http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh286408(v=VS.92).aspx] that should allow you to see everything that may have changed between versions.
Please give me a thanks if this was helpful, it will be my first .

I think you really did provide the kind of help I need, but I don't know how to give you a thanks. Thanks!!! ( Not sure if this is what you meant tho)
My problem is that my app needs this type of changes, and I am willing to take the risk of asking users to reinstall it instead of just updating. Should I be able to do it?
blkjack2u said:
Maybe request Microsoft to provide some debug information to you?
If you install your previous version (hope you kept your versioning archived somewhere) by deploying to emulator/phone, then deploy the new version, it may act as an upgrade, and you should be able to see what is happening with debugger attached. I haven't released an upgrade to any of my apps, so I'm not too sure on this feature.
If you did change isolated storage (definitions, etc), that may be your problem (serialization/deserialization).
Try the Windows Phone Power Tools from Codeplex, it has options to 'Upgrade': http://wptools.codeplex.com/ and provides a GUI for browsing storage.
There is also an Isolated Storage Explorer as part of the SDK [http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh286408(v=VS.92).aspx] that should allow you to see everything that may have changed between versions.
Please give me a thanks if this was helpful, it will be my first .
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I am seeking beta testers to help me locate the problem. If you are interested please reply/PM me with your live id. I will send you an update once the beta test is live. Your help is much appreciated.

sunxin8086 said:
I think you really did provide the kind of help I need, but I don't know how to give you a thanks. Thanks!!! ( Not sure if this is what you meant tho)
My problem is that my app needs this type of changes, and I am willing to take the risk of asking users to reinstall it instead of just updating. Should I be able to do it?
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I was thinking the 'Thanks' button that is attached to a post; kind of like receiving a badge for helping others.
As a user I'd probably be unhappy if I was asked to have to reinstall, but I guess if the update contains some good stuff and I wouldn't lose data, it isn't too difficult to uninstall/install again and is only a minor inconvenience.
Is there anyway you can code in to convert from previous storage structure to the new one since a standard WP app upgrade preserves the previous version?

I just did. Well, I just used the tool you pointed me. I first installed the old version of the app, open and close it a few times, check the setting file, making sure, it has the old structure, and i "updated" with the newer version, it opens fine, and I check the setting file, the file has the new structure. So it doesn't really prevent the app from launching. So it is not really the problem. Will you be interested in being my beta tester?
btw, i just "thanked" you in both the replies.
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I was thinking the 'Thanks' button that is attached to a post; kind of like receiving a badge for helping others.
As a user I'd probably be unhappy if I was asked to have to reinstall, but I guess if the update contains some good stuff and I wouldn't lose data, it isn't too difficult to uninstall/install again and is only a minor inconvenience.
Is there anyway you can code in to convert from previous storage structure to the new one since a standard WP app upgrade preserves the previous version?
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Are you using dotfuscator or another tool to ofuscate your code?

No I don't, but I probably should. Can I know why you asked?
MJCS said:
Are you using dotfuscator or another tool to ofuscate your code?
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My app was rejected again. I am running out of ideas what I can do now.

Lumia 1020 stuck on 10.0.10586.107. Need update advice.

Hello? Anybody still around? I hope so. I need some advice/help. I will bold my questions so they are easier to reference.
I have two identical Lumia 1020’s that I upgraded to Windows 10 using this procedure posted by hikari_calyx https://forum.xda-developers.com/windows-10-mobile/guide-win10-mobile-offline-update-t3527340 and summarized here https://forums.windowscentral.com/windows-10-mobile-how-guides/452310-how-offline-update-unsupported-lumias-8-1-latest-10586-xxx-14393-xxx-15063-xxx-build.html
This procedure got both phones to 10586.107. However, one phone was able to get updates to Redstone automatically. The other is stuck at 10586.107. The stuck phone is my daily driver and the phone that I’d like to be on Redstone. The one that actually made it to Redstone is a spare and has mechanical issues. It was the phone that I upgraded first to familiarize myself with the upgrade process. The phones are identical except the one that fully upgraded does not have an active SIM.
Since the upgrade I’ve been spending many hours in the forums and on youtube looking for reasons why my one phone might not be getting updates and also for ways to force updates. Most posts are very old and maybe I’m late to the party, but I’d like to get this other phone upgraded.
Here’s what I’ve tried:
1) Since the phones are 1020’s I had to modify the “OEMInput.xml” file to get past a bug in the update process. Following this guide https://forum.xda-developers.com/windows-10-mobile/guide-how-to-fix-windows-update- issue-t3697172, I was able to continue getting updates on the one fully upgraded phone. Since I cannot get updates at all on the other phone, I don’t know if this will work for
it yet.
2) I checked that all my registry settings are properly set for my model:
PhoneManufacturer=”MicrosoftMDG”
PhoneManufacturerModelName=”RM-1085_11302”
PhoneModelName=”Lumia 950 XL”
PhoneHardwareVariant=”RM-1085”
I examined the source code for DHTUpgradeAdvisor and I think this is all that should be set.
3) I tried the Windows Insider App, to be sure I’m getting updates but it when I click the “Get preview builds” it throws a Server Error “A connection error prevented us from downloading programs for you. Please check the date/time of your device and its network connection and try again.”
Of course my date time is correct.
I tried reinstalling the Windows Insider App. Same problem.
I did notice a difference between the phones here. When I open the Windows Insider App on the phone that fully upgraded it shows “Go to Settings” instead of “Get Preview Builds”. The phone that fully upgraded has a “Windows Insider Program” link under Settings>Update&Security. The phone that refuses to upgrade does not have this link. The app does not work on either phone. Why is there a difference between the phones here? How can I get the Windows Insider App working again?
4) I’ve tried to add the provisioning for Mobile Enterprise, but I can never get it to show “Enterprise” in the about section. The package does appear in provisioning. I’ve tried multiple .ppkg files. None have worked.
I did see in a post that you must opt out of the Window Insider Program. I’m not sure how to do this since I cannot get into the Windows Insider App. Also it mentions that the SIM should be removed. I did not try this.
Is there a registry setting or something that can be modified to change the update rings or opt out of the insider program? Or does the insider app associate my phone with my Microsoft account and I need to login to my Microsoft account and somehow disassociate it there? Does the SIM really need to be removed?
5) I had the idea to make an image of the fully upgraded phone and then dump it into the non-upgraded phone and then hard reset it and recommission it. I tried to make an image with Windows Phone Internals 2.8. I am able to unlock the bootloader of the upgraded phone but I’m not able to get it into Mass Storage mode in order to make an image. I’m not sure what I’m doing wrong. I have only a basic idea of the phone hardware architecture so I don’t even know what to try next to get an image. Any ideas?
Is this idea even feasible? Is it possible to take an image from one phone and dump it into another effectively cloning the first one? I wasn’t sure if there would be problems with hardware (MAC addresses, etc) mismatches with the software or not. Anyone tried this? Should I pursue this more?
6) The next option is to pump the updates into the phone offline. I am not clear on how to do this. Of course I know how to use iutool (as long as it behaves) since I used it to get the phones to 10586.107.
There is a guide to updating offline here https://forum.xda-developers.com/windows-10/windows-10-mobile/w10m-builds-update-links-collection-cab-t3234805. It looks like this is mostly a guide to capture the cabs for posterity. For upgrading, it’s not clear to me how to begin. There are links to some update cabs in the post, but also this link: https://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=RM-1085_11302. It has info, but I don’t know what I’m looking at. This is where I get confused. Are these even the cabs I need? Are these update cabs independent of the phone model? Can I just grab the cabs within those links and copy them to my PC and then update my phone using iutool? Do I need to do all the updates in order or can I skip ahead? How do I know which ones I can skip over? What is 000-88 based vs 000-HK based vs CTM-MO based devices? Do I use iutool as I did before (keeping the same files in place and just overwrite the cabs with the new ones)? I see these questions partly answered in the subsequent posts, but I’m still unclear of the cabs to use and the order. This method seem like it’s for people smarter than myself and has a high risk of trial and error and brick potential. I’d rather figure out how to get the proper update pushed over-the-air if possible, but if someone has done this method on a 1020 successfully I might try it.
I would prefer to not have to do hard resets or rollbacks if possible since I feel like I'm very close to getting it to work (It worked on my other phone naturally).
Thank you to anyone who is able to answer any of my questions and give me advice on which of the above methods is best to pursue!
I’ve never posted to a social media site such as this, so if I’ve posted wrongly I apologize.
Your friend,
WolfCobra

If you want to upgrade to higher versions, just go to https://www.wpvision.de/tourniquet and download the "Phone Updater" there. With that you will be able to update any Windows Phone 8.1 up to 15063.297.
You might get into some trouble because you already modified OEMinput.xml. But overall you do not need to do any registry editing to get to build 15063 (Version 1703).

I registered on the wpvision.de site. I am waiting to be accepted for membership so that I can view the posts describing the functionality and operation of the phone updater. I'm not able to access much of the site, so I cannot tell how helpful this will be yet. Thank you for pointing out this site to me; it is one that I have not seen before.

WolfCobra said:
I registered on the wpvision.de site. I am waiting to be accepted for membership so that I can view the posts describing the functionality and operation of the phone updater. I'm not able to access much of the site, so I cannot tell how helpful this will be yet. Thank you for pointing out this site to me; it is one that I have not seen before.
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I was able to fully update my 1020 with the Phone Updater from wpvision.de. It works very well. I would recommend it to anyone still looking to update an unsupported phone.

WolfCobra said:
I was able to fully update my 1020 with the Phone Updater from wpvision.de. It works very well. I would recommend it to anyone still looking to update an unsupported phone.
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Can you please provide the linkto the thread?