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[Q] Drawbacks to debranding to get NoDo?

I was just wondering if there were any drawbacks to debranding a phone just to get the update?
I have done some searches and nothing has come up so far for this question.
Thanks!
Oh and as you know that the big plus for debranding is that you can get NoDo.

clmbngbkng said:
I was just wondering if there were any drawbacks to debranding a phone just to get the update?
I have done some searches and nothing has come up so far for this question.
Thanks!
Oh and as you know that the big plus for debranding is that you can get NoDo.
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Eh, I dont know what version you get when you update officially but it may be different... I really doubt there's any drawbacks though.

That's what I am gathering and it makes sense if Microsoft wants to keep the WP7 together as a whole.
Thank you!

The drawback is you don't get updated apps from your carrier + phone manufacturer. But all you have to do is rebrand it and just download the apps from the market, if you really want them.

ryude said:
The drawback is you don't get updated apps from your carrier + phone manufacturer. But all you have to do is rebrand it and just download the apps from the market, if you really want them.
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Now that is what I was expecting. I have my phone unlocked with the Chevron tool and if in the future I can't add back that string then I am hosed?
Will I at least keep the registry editor on the phone through the update process so I can then change it back?
Thanks for the response!

If you do the little hack to prevent re-locking (via Samsung Tools or the registry edit), the unlocked state should persist across the NoDo update as long as you don't do a hard reset. You won't, however, be able to use Chevron to unlock if you hard-reset the phone or otherwise manage to re-lock it after installing NoDo.
As for carrier apps, I can still access the AT&T AppCenter, useless as their stuff may be. That's either based on a different registry entry or on your SIM card, not on this update branding entry. I haven't been able to discern any effects other than whether the update servers will give you the updates or not.
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Brian
Samsung Focus, AT&T (unbranded, unlocked, NoDo)

All of your information will be backed up and carry over to the new update, don't worry about that.

bkaul said:
If you do the little hack to prevent re-locking (via Samsung Tools or the registry edit), the unlocked state should persist across the NoDo update as long as you don't do a hard reset.
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Do you know where that regedit is off the top of your head? I never applied it in the past so I have always had my Chevron unlocked phone relock after a week or two.
I will also look around here but thought I would ask you first.
Thanks for helping out everyone!
EDIT: And yes AT&T doesn't have many apps that I care about but I do like their account login app to check on how many minutes and texts that I have used.
EDIT 2: I found the Samsung Tools that you were talking about. Here is a link to the page for anyone. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=924497

clmbngbkng said:
Do you know where that regedit is off the top of your head? I never applied it in the past so I have always had my Chevron unlocked phone relock after a week or two.
I will also look around here but thought I would ask you first.
Thanks for helping out everyone!
EDIT: And yes AT&T doesn't have many apps that I care about but I do like their account login app to check on how many minutes and texts that I have used.
EDIT 2: I found the Samsung Tools that you were talking about. Here is a link to the page for anyone. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=924497
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MyAT&T runs on any phone, as long as you have a network connection.
I think there is no drawback to unbrand. AT&T provides nothing other than update delay.

Does anyone know of the exact registry value that gets changed to prevent the relocking?
I know that the Samsung Tools will write the value but I can't find out what it changes.
I'm just trying to find it so it can be posted here and we can get it out to others before they update to NoDo.
EDIT: Found the string to keep it from relocking.
From here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=938106
Prevent Phone from Relocking
The phone is unlocked, but will relock every time it syncs to Zune unless one of these hacks are done.
Samsung Devices (also removes sideload limit, fixes MMS/data on unlocked phones!):http://forum.xda-developers.com/atta...4&d=1295825731 from this great thread by lyriquidperfection
All other devices:
In an installed registry editor, navigate to the following key and change these values.
Code:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\DeviceReg]
"PortalUrlProd"=""
"PortalUrlInt"=""
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Help is needed urgently.

I got the following response:
The application cannot be tested for compliance for Windows Phone 7 Application Certification Requirements because it fails to launch on all Windows Phone 7 devices. The application terminates at launch.
However, I tested it on my own device and emulator, it works fine on all of them.
Here is a little background.
My app requires internet to run, if there is no internet for the phone, it will pop a message to let users know that it needs the internet and exit.
Currently, I am supporting both Nodo and Mango. Mango version has been approved already. The nodo version shares most the code of mango with 7.1 related features removed. The mango version has the title of "XXX for mango", and the nodo version has the title of "XXX for nodo". I don't know if this can be the cause of the problem. Can someone please give me some insights on this?

I am fairly certain that you shouldnt be exiting the application like that. Bring them to a screen/page that lets them retry or make the popup let them retry.

I am not sure if that was the problem tho. because my app has been like this since day 1, and mango version was recently certified too.

Well you can try to resubmit and it might pass...contact create.msdn.com support to get more info.

I did, it failed again. The only reason I can think of is that if its not an clean install, meaning update from an existing older version of the app, there might be some issues, since I changed the structure of the storages. but i don't know how to test it.

Maybe request Microsoft to provide some debug information to you?
If you install your previous version (hope you kept your versioning archived somewhere) by deploying to emulator/phone, then deploy the new version, it may act as an upgrade, and you should be able to see what is happening with debugger attached. I haven't released an upgrade to any of my apps, so I'm not too sure on this feature.
If you did change isolated storage (definitions, etc), that may be your problem (serialization/deserialization).
Try the Windows Phone Power Tools from Codeplex, it has options to 'Upgrade': http://wptools.codeplex.com/ and provides a GUI for browsing storage.
There is also an Isolated Storage Explorer as part of the SDK [http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh286408(v=VS.92).aspx] that should allow you to see everything that may have changed between versions.
Please give me a thanks if this was helpful, it will be my first .

I think you really did provide the kind of help I need, but I don't know how to give you a thanks. Thanks!!! ( Not sure if this is what you meant tho)
My problem is that my app needs this type of changes, and I am willing to take the risk of asking users to reinstall it instead of just updating. Should I be able to do it?
blkjack2u said:
Maybe request Microsoft to provide some debug information to you?
If you install your previous version (hope you kept your versioning archived somewhere) by deploying to emulator/phone, then deploy the new version, it may act as an upgrade, and you should be able to see what is happening with debugger attached. I haven't released an upgrade to any of my apps, so I'm not too sure on this feature.
If you did change isolated storage (definitions, etc), that may be your problem (serialization/deserialization).
Try the Windows Phone Power Tools from Codeplex, it has options to 'Upgrade': http://wptools.codeplex.com/ and provides a GUI for browsing storage.
There is also an Isolated Storage Explorer as part of the SDK [http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh286408(v=VS.92).aspx] that should allow you to see everything that may have changed between versions.
Please give me a thanks if this was helpful, it will be my first .
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I am seeking beta testers to help me locate the problem. If you are interested please reply/PM me with your live id. I will send you an update once the beta test is live. Your help is much appreciated.

sunxin8086 said:
I think you really did provide the kind of help I need, but I don't know how to give you a thanks. Thanks!!! ( Not sure if this is what you meant tho)
My problem is that my app needs this type of changes, and I am willing to take the risk of asking users to reinstall it instead of just updating. Should I be able to do it?
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I was thinking the 'Thanks' button that is attached to a post; kind of like receiving a badge for helping others.
As a user I'd probably be unhappy if I was asked to have to reinstall, but I guess if the update contains some good stuff and I wouldn't lose data, it isn't too difficult to uninstall/install again and is only a minor inconvenience.
Is there anyway you can code in to convert from previous storage structure to the new one since a standard WP app upgrade preserves the previous version?

I just did. Well, I just used the tool you pointed me. I first installed the old version of the app, open and close it a few times, check the setting file, making sure, it has the old structure, and i "updated" with the newer version, it opens fine, and I check the setting file, the file has the new structure. So it doesn't really prevent the app from launching. So it is not really the problem. Will you be interested in being my beta tester?
btw, i just "thanked" you in both the replies.
blkjack2u said:
I was thinking the 'Thanks' button that is attached to a post; kind of like receiving a badge for helping others.
As a user I'd probably be unhappy if I was asked to have to reinstall, but I guess if the update contains some good stuff and I wouldn't lose data, it isn't too difficult to uninstall/install again and is only a minor inconvenience.
Is there anyway you can code in to convert from previous storage structure to the new one since a standard WP app upgrade preserves the previous version?
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Are you using dotfuscator or another tool to ofuscate your code?

No I don't, but I probably should. Can I know why you asked?
MJCS said:
Are you using dotfuscator or another tool to ofuscate your code?
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My app was rejected again. I am running out of ideas what I can do now.

Windows Phone 7.8 RTM Update Cab(?)

Okay. So i thought itd be cool to be able to update to WIndows 7.8 RTM that was posted here on XDA without making a custom rom or wiping files (basically a clean easy update anyone who could push a cab to their phone can do.)
Anyways, i downloaded the RTM build and a Tango update cab to compare files with and see how to name the files and what id need.
Turns out, it was pretty straightforward at first. All the files within the cab had identical files (as far as filenames and types, except they were the 7.8 RTM versions.) within the system files folder of the rar of the RTM. so i packaged all the proper folders as cabs with the appropriate filenames (folder.version.coming.from-version.going.to.cab) and used a batch renamer to add the .pku extension to the end of the files as so to match the style of the tango cab (the tango update cab contains cabs with the .pku added on the end. once i removed .pku, making it a .cab file they open perfectly.) then i packaged all the .cab.pku files as a cab. So far so good. It looked like a WP7 update cab. THEN...
When i tried pushing the cab to my device, i learned it has to be signed...
I tried signing it with a copy of the certificate i pulled from the tango cab. No luck. need the private key.
Then i tried a certificate existing on my pc, created by zune, that i had a private key for. No go.
Created a key and certificate in MakeCer. No go.
Upon using a cab signing tool i found online for signing Windows Mobile Cabs with some generic sdk certificate, i got the error 8007000b.
Overall, my cab wont sign, idk if this works, im not very good at this stuff, and idk what im doing wrong. Can anyone help?
Perhaps sign the cab file?
Or is this all futile, and would my idea not work anyways (i figured it wouldnt hurt to try. With an update i figured worse case scenario i boot into restore mode and restore from a backup.)
Or does it have to be signedby microsoft, still making it futile?
My Update Cab (Skydrive, Public Link): http://sdrv.ms/12cw9pf
NOTE: Yes, i know the tango update was only 20 -30mb, while mine is over 180. The RTM contained more system files than the tango update, most likely due to it containing new features and OS modifications. Also, should i of excluded the EXEs from some of the folders from the cabs?

DustinWolf said:
Okay. So i thought itd be cool to be able to update to WIndows 7.8 RTM that was posted here on XDA without making a custom rom or wiping files (basically a clean easy update anyone who could push a cab to their phone can do.)
Anyways, i downloaded the RTM build and a Tango update cab to compare files with and see how to name the files and what id need.
Turns out, it was pretty straightforward at first. All the files within the cab had identical files (as far as filenames and types, except they were the 7.8 RTM versions.) within the system files folder of the rar of the RTM. so i packaged all the proper folders as cabs with the appropriate filenames (folder.version.coming.from-version.going.to.cab) and used a batch renamer to add the .pku extension to the end of the files as so to match the style of the tango cab (the tango update cab contains cabs with the .pku added on the end. once i removed .pku, making it a .cab file they open perfectly.) then i packaged all the .cab.pku files as a cab. So far so good. It looked like a WP7 update cab. THEN...
When i tried pushing the cab to my device, i learned it has to be signed...
I tried signing it with a copy of the certificate i pulled from the tango cab. No luck. need the private key.
Then i tried a certificate existing on my pc, created by zune, that i had a private key for. No go.
Created a key and certificate in MakeCer. No go.
Upon using a cab signing tool i found online for signing Windows Mobile Cabs with some generic sdk certificate, i got the error 8007000b.
Overall, my cab wont sign, idk if this works, im not very good at this stuff, and idk what im doing wrong. Can anyone help?
Perhaps sign the cab file?
Or is this all futile, and would my idea not work anyways (i figured it wouldnt hurt to try. With an update i figured worse case scenario i boot into restore mode and restore from a backup.)
Or does it have to be signedby microsoft, still making it futile?
My Update Cab (Skydrive, Public Link): http://sdrv.ms/12cw9pf
NOTE: Yes, i know the tango update was only 20 -30mb, while mine is over 180. The RTM contained more system files than the tango update, most likely due to it containing new features and OS modifications. Also, should i of excluded the EXEs from some of the folders from the cabs?
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nice try , never going to work
first :
the Tango cab is a .pku , that is a DIFF Image update it is the DIFF between what is on phone and what got updated ( thats way it is so small)
second:
the 8858 DUMP is canoncial , so ist the whole flie ( thats way it is 180 mb)
third:
cab.pkr/pkg/pku Needs tobe signed with the sert on the phone ( so for stock roms this means MS Needs to sign them )
the supercab also Needs tobe signed by OEM or MS
so you did all the work for nothing

ceesheim said:
nice try , never going to work
first :
the Tango cab is a .pku , that is a DIFF Image update it is the DIFF between what is on phone and what got updated ( thats way it is so small)
second:
the 8858 DUMP is canoncial , so ist the whole flie ( thats way it is 180 mb)
third:
cab.pkr/pkg/pku Needs tobe signed with the sert on the phone ( so for stock roms this means MS Needs to sign them )
the supercab also Needs tobe signed by OEM or MS
so you did all the work for nothing
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-w-' i feared as much... *sighs* i guess even if i ever did get the proper files in the cabs id still need the private key for the certificate... oh well... guess ill just have to wait for MS to release 7.8...

Nothing wrong with trying.
Sent from my HD7 T9292 using XDA Windows Phone 7 App

i applaud your attempt...keep plugging away

aclegg2011 said:
Nothing wrong with trying.
Sent from my HD7 T9292 using XDA Windows Phone 7 App
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is this try the first of its kind??i mean is this the first time that u r trying to create updates like this??
if yes i am damn sure u have learned a lot while doing this..

You can get the right files into the cab and sign it with ultrashot certificate perhaps? Ppl with custom roms can use it and your work wouldn't be a complete waste. This is assuming this cab update won't have any effect on the unlock itself

nithin1992 said:
You can get the right files into the cab and sign it with ultrashot certificate perhaps? Ppl with custom roms can use it and your work wouldn't be a complete waste. This is assuming this cab update won't have any effect on the unlock itself
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Hehe... im not so good with that stuff. The reason i tried at all is because i noticed the RTM 7.8 contained the same files as the update cab for 7.5. Problem is, i apparently require the knowledge of which files are updated (because the way i apparently had made it it would of replaced dang near every system file) as well as i have no clue on how to sign it. i noted that i couldnt sign the cab with my own signing certificate, so im at a complete loss... my apologies. (if anyone wants to take my cab and see if they can do something with it be my guest, but im not very experienced with this.)
prahladvarda said:
is this try the first of its kind??i mean is this the first time that u r trying to create updates like this??
if yes i am damn sure u have learned a lot while doing this..
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Yes this is my first time, and i have learned some things.
A: Just because its in the RTM doesnt mean it should be in the Update cab
B: If you want to use updates on stock roms, you must have the cab signed by microsoft, so No Update For You
C: Its a pain in the rear to sign a cab with a certificate you own (at least it was for me. Still unsuccessful)
D: Windows Phone has .EXE's
E: Windows Phone has a lot of files
F: LG Has a locked bootloader (what pushed me to try this was when i learned LG's (like my quantum) cant have custom roms)

DustinWolf said:
F: LG Has a locked bootloader (what pushed me to try this was when i learned LG's (like my quantum) cant have custom roms)
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u can have all the goodness of custom roms with interop unlock itself..interop unlock using mfg app, install wp7roottools and mark apps that require root access as trusted in wp7roottools policy editor and u r good to go..

prahladvarda said:
u can have all the goodness of custom roms with interop unlock itself..interop unlock using mfg app, install wp7roottools and mark apps that require root access as trusted in wp7roottools policy editor and u r good to go..
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Nope. You see, the whole point would be (if I was to try would be) to make a 7.8 rom. Idgaf about the "goodness" of custom roms, and only reason I use wp7root tools is for MarketplaceSwitcher (the fixed version). I cant get 7.8 using interop unlock. I need a custom rom to get it. Problem is, LG windows phones have a locked bootloader. Translation: No custom roms. Meaning the purpose of creating a custom rom would be pointless.
That's why I attempted to make an update CAB. Those could be pushed via the cab updater method, which works with any wp7 handset, and wouldn't erase my data as well. Problem? Official roms cant be updated via cabs with anything other than Microsoft signed cabs. So my attempts were futile.
Thank goodness, though, that 7.8 should be coming to some handsets on the 30th. Im hoping some people catch those cabs and post them (because I CAN use the cab updater method, given that the packages are Microsoft signed, as stated above.):fingers-crossed:

Not sure I know what you mean by goodness of custom roms, wp7 is about as lean as you can get, its not like the good old wm days where different builds were available on different devices an full of stuff, or android where its full of crap, if its just to restore with some apps preinstalled then make a Zune backup and restore from that when You need to
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help ! I need adobe reader for WP7
ceesheim said:
nice try , never going to work
first :
the Tango cab is a .pku , that is a DIFF Image update it is the DIFF between what is on phone and what got updated ( thats way it is so small)
second:
the 8858 DUMP is canoncial , so ist the whole flie ( thats way it is 180 mb)
third:
cab.pkr/pkg/pku Needs tobe signed with the sert on the phone ( so for stock roms this means MS Needs to sign them )
the supercab also Needs tobe signed by OEM or MS
so you did all the work for nothing
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DEAR
I FLASH WP7 ON MY HD2 and now i cant to download PDF READER FROM MARKETPLACE . Please a link to download DIRECTLY.
I HAVE WINDOWS LIVE ID but market place dont regognize it.
many THANKS

dazza9075 said:
Not sure I know what you mean by goodness of custom roms, wp7 is about as lean as you can get, its not like the good old wm days where different builds were available on different devices an full of stuff, or android where its full of crap, if its just to restore with some apps preinstalled then make a Zune backup and restore from that when You need to
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What the person meant and that I was referring to by "goodness of custom roms" is that some WP7 roms have all the Nokia goodies baked in and can run software that regular WP7 cant due to software restrictions. Such as some include the Nokia drivers and files to run City Lens and use Camera Extras. The nokia extras, even though they can be installed on any windows phone (granted you have root tools and marketplace switcher to access the "Nokia Collection"), some require special drivers and files in order to work (including Bluetooth file transfer, which uses extra APIs and drivers not included out of the box by Microsoft for the upcoming 7.8).

All of which may achievable in the near future, bar pre installed apps of course, but the running of custom drivers may be possible, and as I said, install what you want, back it up and boom, your own rom ready should you need to format
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dazza9075 said:
All of which may achievable in the near future, bar pre installed apps of course, but the running of custom drivers may be possible, and as I said, install what you want, back it up and boom, your own rom ready should you need to format
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and like I said, all I want is the new home screen, rebranded tiles, and extra themes. Cant do that using apps.
Though the Nokia's should be getting the 7.8 update through zune tomorrow, so if someone could obtain the cab, ill be good. I don't want a rom anymore anyways. (I only would of wanted one in December. but now learning 7.8 is coming out tomorrow (albeit to specific devices) means I don't want to anymore, because I bet a dollar to a donut by the end of the week someone will of posted the update cabs, to which I will be good.)
Also, I tried adding drivers to my phone. Didn't work (followed steps to add correct drivers to my phone via WP7Root Tools and the drivers packaged in a xap that extracted them). But I don't really care, since I have an early beta of City Lens that supports my phone, so im good.
Overall, only reason I would rom is if I was desperate.
I cant actually use a true custom rom because of my device.
I understand your method, but its a back up, not really a "rom", since all my data is backed up with it, and I don't care about preinstalled apps anyways, since the apps I use are always changing. I don't prefer restoring my device unless 100% necessary (AKA: I screwed something up) so I don't do this.

DustinWolf said:
and like I said, all I want is the new home screen, rebranded tiles, and extra themes. Cant do that using apps.
Though the Nokia's should be getting the 7.8 update through zune tomorrow, so if someone could obtain the cab, ill be good. I don't want a rom anymore anyways. (I only would of wanted one in December. but now learning 7.8 is coming out tomorrow (albeit to specific devices) means I don't want to anymore, because I bet a dollar to a donut by the end of the week someone will of posted the update cabs, to which I will be good.)
Also, I tried adding drivers to my phone. Didn't work (followed steps to add correct drivers to my phone via WP7Root Tools and the drivers packaged in a xap that extracted them). But I don't really care, since I have an early beta of City Lens that supports my phone, so im good.
Overall, only reason I would rom is if I was desperate.
I cant actually use a true custom rom because of my device.
I understand your method, but its a back up, not really a "rom", since all my data is backed up with it, and I don't care about preinstalled apps anyways, since the apps I use are always changing. I don't prefer restoring my device unless 100% necessary (AKA: I screwed something up) so I don't do this.
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It sounds like the only reason youd want a ROM then is to have got the 7.8 update? that's a fair enough reason but as you know its coming out soon anyway so its not really important.
With regards to your Drivers, yeah it cant be done with WP7 Root tools at the moment, I believe im right in saying (and is public knowledge I hope!) that's being worked on as we speak
actually whilst I have your attention, see your City lens app, do you have issues with compass calibration? is the beta any less sensitive perhaps? Ive been trying and ill be damned if I can get it right

dazza9075 said:
It sounds like the only reason youd want a ROM then is to have got the 7.8 update? that's a fair enough reason but as you know its coming out soon anyway so its not really important.
With regards to your Drivers, yeah it cant be done with WP7 Root tools at the moment, I believe im right in saying (and is public knowledge I hope!) that's being worked on as we speak
actually whilst I have your attention, see your City lens app, do you have issues with compass calibration? is the beta any less sensitive perhaps? Ive been trying and ill be damned if I can get it right
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The city lens I have TECHNICALLY was a Chinese version (apparently in china an early beta was released to ALL wp7 devices) and the app was translated and posted somewhere around here on XDA, and can be sideloaded if you've dev unlocked (I dev unlocked using mfg). It DOES require calibration most of the time when you first open it, and since the quantum had a funny way of handling the compass driver (even LG's own apps work funny with compass) it works weird, but other then that its fine. Depending on the phone you have it should work well enough. I will not post the xap here only due to the fact that its already somewhere else on xda and don't want to post it without accrediting the work the user did to translate. (I for the life of me cant find where it was originally posted on here).

[Q] Getting Root with Redirect to an Old Firmware?

Hey.
Did anybody know or can explain why it should not be possible to redirect the update process of an AFTV to local older Fimrware to make downgrade?
I thinking about this idea some days and found now this topic here, while I was searching for a solution of my update block problem.
Perhaps we could test it with bind9 on windows first and later we can port it just to an device like the Rpi.
Greetings by I_did_it_just_tmrrow
EDIT:
I think I can guess what is the problem.
The 51.1.3.0_user_513011520 brings the new recovery, wich blocks downgrades.
But is there now way to refer to "signed" rom wich the old recovery?

I_did_it_just_tmrrow said:
Hey.
Did anybody know or can explain why it should not be possible to redirect the update process of an AFTV to local older Fimrware to make downgrade?
I thinking about this idea some days and found now this topic here, while I was searching for a solution of my update block problem.
Perhaps we could test it with bind9 on windows first and later we can port it just to an device like the Rpi.
Greetings by I_did_it_just_tmrrow
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I think I can guess what is the problem.
The 51.1.3.0_user_513011520 brings the new recovery, wich blocks downgrades.
But is there now way to refer to "signed" rom wich the old recovery?
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This has been brought up and explained countless times. The update.zip as a whole is signed and cannot be modified. The very first line in the script checks the timestamp of recovery vs the timestamp of the update. If the update is old, it will fail.
In addition to there be no way to get an old update.zip to be downloaded by the software in the first place.

rbox said:
In addition to there be no way to get an old update.zip to be downloaded by the software in the first place.
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That's not entirely true. You just need to wait for the Fire TV to find an official update and then run your own DNS server to redirect the download to a file you host yourself.
I've successfully done it (could have swore I told you about it), but regardless, it doesn't matter because like you said, there are checks in place that keep the Fire TV from installing an old update.

AFTVnews.com said:
That's not entirely true. You just need to wait for the Fire TV to find an official update and then run your own DNS server to redirect the download to a file you host yourself.
I've successfully done it (could have swore I told you about it), but regardless, it doesn't matter because like you said, there are checks in place that keep the Fire TV from installing an old update.
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If you remember the last time someone tried that, the Fire TV rejected it because the manifest version didn't match what it was expecting.

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If you remember the last time someone tried that, the Fire TV rejected it because the manifest version didn't match what it was expecting.
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Ah ok, I must have missed or forgot that discussion.

I'm a couple of years behind. Last working with roms on ICS, but I remember being able to alter update.zip files without loosing signature by opening it in winrar and making the changes. Memory is fuzzy, but I know it worked for me when developing a rom for the Toshiba Thrive. Could this not still work. For example, pull the official source code, open and add SU with permissions, then save. Then intercept the update as stated before. I know, not as simple as that, but it seems plausible from my experience with altering signed files.

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I'm a couple of years behind. Last working with roms on ICS, but I remember being able to alter update.zip files without loosing signature by opening it in winrar and making the changes. Memory is fuzzy, but I know it worked for me when developing a rom for the Toshiba Thrive. Could this not still work. For example, pull the official source code, open and add SU with permissions, then save. Then intercept the update as stated before. I know, not as simple as that, but it seems plausible from my experience with altering signed files.
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You would have to bring some links with direct info how it is done to show the guys what it might take. And how feasible it is on the FireTV. If you find some link. please post them.

md5sum or other checksum will fail

Lumia 1020 stuck on 10.0.10586.107. Need update advice.

Hello? Anybody still around? I hope so. I need some advice/help. I will bold my questions so they are easier to reference.
I have two identical Lumia 1020’s that I upgraded to Windows 10 using this procedure posted by hikari_calyx https://forum.xda-developers.com/windows-10-mobile/guide-win10-mobile-offline-update-t3527340 and summarized here https://forums.windowscentral.com/windows-10-mobile-how-guides/452310-how-offline-update-unsupported-lumias-8-1-latest-10586-xxx-14393-xxx-15063-xxx-build.html
This procedure got both phones to 10586.107. However, one phone was able to get updates to Redstone automatically. The other is stuck at 10586.107. The stuck phone is my daily driver and the phone that I’d like to be on Redstone. The one that actually made it to Redstone is a spare and has mechanical issues. It was the phone that I upgraded first to familiarize myself with the upgrade process. The phones are identical except the one that fully upgraded does not have an active SIM.
Since the upgrade I’ve been spending many hours in the forums and on youtube looking for reasons why my one phone might not be getting updates and also for ways to force updates. Most posts are very old and maybe I’m late to the party, but I’d like to get this other phone upgraded.
Here’s what I’ve tried:
1) Since the phones are 1020’s I had to modify the “OEMInput.xml” file to get past a bug in the update process. Following this guide https://forum.xda-developers.com/windows-10-mobile/guide-how-to-fix-windows-update- issue-t3697172, I was able to continue getting updates on the one fully upgraded phone. Since I cannot get updates at all on the other phone, I don’t know if this will work for
it yet.
2) I checked that all my registry settings are properly set for my model:
PhoneManufacturer=”MicrosoftMDG”
PhoneManufacturerModelName=”RM-1085_11302”
PhoneModelName=”Lumia 950 XL”
PhoneHardwareVariant=”RM-1085”
I examined the source code for DHTUpgradeAdvisor and I think this is all that should be set.
3) I tried the Windows Insider App, to be sure I’m getting updates but it when I click the “Get preview builds” it throws a Server Error “A connection error prevented us from downloading programs for you. Please check the date/time of your device and its network connection and try again.”
Of course my date time is correct.
I tried reinstalling the Windows Insider App. Same problem.
I did notice a difference between the phones here. When I open the Windows Insider App on the phone that fully upgraded it shows “Go to Settings” instead of “Get Preview Builds”. The phone that fully upgraded has a “Windows Insider Program” link under Settings>Update&Security. The phone that refuses to upgrade does not have this link. The app does not work on either phone. Why is there a difference between the phones here? How can I get the Windows Insider App working again?
4) I’ve tried to add the provisioning for Mobile Enterprise, but I can never get it to show “Enterprise” in the about section. The package does appear in provisioning. I’ve tried multiple .ppkg files. None have worked.
I did see in a post that you must opt out of the Window Insider Program. I’m not sure how to do this since I cannot get into the Windows Insider App. Also it mentions that the SIM should be removed. I did not try this.
Is there a registry setting or something that can be modified to change the update rings or opt out of the insider program? Or does the insider app associate my phone with my Microsoft account and I need to login to my Microsoft account and somehow disassociate it there? Does the SIM really need to be removed?
5) I had the idea to make an image of the fully upgraded phone and then dump it into the non-upgraded phone and then hard reset it and recommission it. I tried to make an image with Windows Phone Internals 2.8. I am able to unlock the bootloader of the upgraded phone but I’m not able to get it into Mass Storage mode in order to make an image. I’m not sure what I’m doing wrong. I have only a basic idea of the phone hardware architecture so I don’t even know what to try next to get an image. Any ideas?
Is this idea even feasible? Is it possible to take an image from one phone and dump it into another effectively cloning the first one? I wasn’t sure if there would be problems with hardware (MAC addresses, etc) mismatches with the software or not. Anyone tried this? Should I pursue this more?
6) The next option is to pump the updates into the phone offline. I am not clear on how to do this. Of course I know how to use iutool (as long as it behaves) since I used it to get the phones to 10586.107.
There is a guide to updating offline here https://forum.xda-developers.com/windows-10/windows-10-mobile/w10m-builds-update-links-collection-cab-t3234805. It looks like this is mostly a guide to capture the cabs for posterity. For upgrading, it’s not clear to me how to begin. There are links to some update cabs in the post, but also this link: https://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/Search.aspx?q=RM-1085_11302. It has info, but I don’t know what I’m looking at. This is where I get confused. Are these even the cabs I need? Are these update cabs independent of the phone model? Can I just grab the cabs within those links and copy them to my PC and then update my phone using iutool? Do I need to do all the updates in order or can I skip ahead? How do I know which ones I can skip over? What is 000-88 based vs 000-HK based vs CTM-MO based devices? Do I use iutool as I did before (keeping the same files in place and just overwrite the cabs with the new ones)? I see these questions partly answered in the subsequent posts, but I’m still unclear of the cabs to use and the order. This method seem like it’s for people smarter than myself and has a high risk of trial and error and brick potential. I’d rather figure out how to get the proper update pushed over-the-air if possible, but if someone has done this method on a 1020 successfully I might try it.
I would prefer to not have to do hard resets or rollbacks if possible since I feel like I'm very close to getting it to work (It worked on my other phone naturally).
Thank you to anyone who is able to answer any of my questions and give me advice on which of the above methods is best to pursue!
I’ve never posted to a social media site such as this, so if I’ve posted wrongly I apologize.
Your friend,
WolfCobra

If you want to upgrade to higher versions, just go to https://www.wpvision.de/tourniquet and download the "Phone Updater" there. With that you will be able to update any Windows Phone 8.1 up to 15063.297.
You might get into some trouble because you already modified OEMinput.xml. But overall you do not need to do any registry editing to get to build 15063 (Version 1703).

I registered on the wpvision.de site. I am waiting to be accepted for membership so that I can view the posts describing the functionality and operation of the phone updater. I'm not able to access much of the site, so I cannot tell how helpful this will be yet. Thank you for pointing out this site to me; it is one that I have not seen before.

WolfCobra said:
I registered on the wpvision.de site. I am waiting to be accepted for membership so that I can view the posts describing the functionality and operation of the phone updater. I'm not able to access much of the site, so I cannot tell how helpful this will be yet. Thank you for pointing out this site to me; it is one that I have not seen before.
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I was able to fully update my 1020 with the Phone Updater from wpvision.de. It works very well. I would recommend it to anyone still looking to update an unsupported phone.

WolfCobra said:
I was able to fully update my 1020 with the Phone Updater from wpvision.de. It works very well. I would recommend it to anyone still looking to update an unsupported phone.
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Can you please provide the linkto the thread?