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In Q4, 2011, Google intend to combine Honeycomb for tables and Gingerbread for smart phones into one universal OS. Ice Cream Sandwich.
Developers will be able to account for all form factors within this same version of the OS. This seems to be the end of the OS fragmentation that has plagued the Android system since its release! The announcement has been made around the same time that Windows Phone manufacturers Microsoft announce a universal OS in the form of Windows 8, and Apple's iOS5, which means universal operating systems are the way of the future. But the question is, will the Defy get some?
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http://motoroladefy.com/index.php?/topic/247-ice-cream-sandwich-is-coming/
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http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/10/google-announces-ice-cream-sadwich-for-q4-2011-for-smartphones/
Guys I'm Really Excited!!!!!!!!!!
We may not even get Gingerbread (the leaked one is supposedly for developing for the defy2). I wouldn't get my hopes high for Icecream at all.
confusedfella said:
We may not even get Gingerbread (the leaked one is supposedly for developing for the defy2). I wouldn't get my hopes high for Icecream at all.
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no way man! telus just released a version of the defy a couple of months ago.we've got at least two more years of love coming!
i am hoping as well... but here in indonesia, not even gingerbread
There's absolutely no point in getting excited till there's even confirmation of getting Gingerbread.
Right, Q4 huh... so that's end of the year. Then add a few months of delays and small scale release, that's mid 2012. Then add a year on that for motorola being slowpokes with new releases.... that's mid 2013. I don't know about you, but as much as I love my defy I'll probably be having a new phone around then rather than getting excited over what will at that point already be old news.
SWAT AXEL said:
In Q4, 2011, Google intend to combine Honeycomb for tables and Gingerbread for smart phones into one universal OS. Ice Cream Sandwich.
Developers will be able to account for all form factors within this same version of the OS. This seems to be the end of the OS fragmentation that has plagued the Android system since its release! The announcement has been made around the same time that Windows Phone manufacturers Microsoft announce a universal OS in the form of Windows 8, and Apple's iOS5, which means universal operating systems are the way of the future. But the question is, will the Defy get some?
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http://motoroladefy.com/index.php?/topic/247-ice-cream-sandwich-is-coming/
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http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/10/google-announces-ice-cream-sadwich-for-q4-2011-for-smartphones/
Guys I'm Really Excited!!!!!!!!!!
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I dont expect an official version of ice cream for my defy, Just hope Quarx or some other developer would be able to port i.. I'm sure my defy would be compatible for ice cream as well..
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Right, Q4 huh... so that's end of the year. Then add a few months of delays and small scale release, that's mid 2012. Then add a year on that for motorola being slowpokes with new releases.... that's mid 2013. I don't know about you, but as much as I love my defy I'll probably be having a new phone around then rather than getting excited over what will at that point already be old news.
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Man you said the right situation in motorola process , BUT even if they didn't release it for defy , they might unlock the bootloader, like samsung galaxy S2.
tAKE lOOK Here:
Samsung Sends Free Galaxy S2 To Hackers For Inspiration
According to the company, it has already sent a free Galaxy S2 to the CyanogenMod team as part of the plan.
http://www.itproportal.com/2011/06/13/samsung-sends-free-galaxy-s2-hackers-inspiration/#8
so i hope we can wait for something cool later time.
It's still possible, when CyanogenMod 8 comes...
Maybe this?
Ok so maybe Motorola will launch a new Defy. This time more powerful. So we will buy it and have that with running Android 4 and this one as an old phone with CM version of the new Android tweaked for it.
I personally use 2 phones. Primary smartphone Defy and secondly a phone only Nokia (no camera, radio, internet). But i would like using 2 smartphones. Actually that is the future. So in my case i can wait for a Defy2 and than keep this as well
Keep in mind that a smartphone's life is somewhere between 2-4 years. Battery/hardware and software wise . But who knows the Defy can prove even more resistant ....
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This seems to be the end of the OS fragmentation that has plagued the Android system since its release!
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The current fragmentation issue has nothing to do with Tablet and Handset form factors. I understood fragmentation is about manufacturers putting too much layers on top of OS to make their own version of Android i.e. Sense, TouchWhiz, Motorla, and so on.
User experience is a science, now imagine how much damage these manufacturers do to an OS that no one would want to learn how to use them. That is why many people would want to use handsets from the same manufacturer. Android introduced a new market and after few years everyone involved realising the cons and pros of it as no one had the experience working in such market model before.
My prediction is... Most manufacturers will give up putting their own layers for three main reasons:
1. Manufactures eventually can't catch up with the progress of Android's development and it would become a complex and expensive process to have.
2. The cost of hardware will significantly will be reduced, that means smaller manufactures giving stock Android start stealing market from the big boys.
3. Future Android versions would become rich in user experience that the cost of putting layers on top of already a rich interface is no longer justifiable.
and hopefully with this, release of OS will be much faster due to the more vanilla usage of Android instead of each company spending time and money on 'fragmenting' the OS....and devs like the MIUI and CM guys (plus all the other solo devs) can start porting it over much faster and easier.....and leave the fragmenting and customising to the community!
true
but if each developer releasing their own os like miui and cmd and etc you will never have stability in the os.
thats why i always stick to the official os.
((consider Camera issues and AGps fixes plus notworking parts in os properly))
Ice Cream Sandwich will be released this October/November.. There's even a Nexus S shipped on EBay which has ICS!!!!! Here it is!!: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3Pb6IyFvfg&feature=player_embedded
I'm really hoping to see it on Motorola Defy!!
Btw I noticed that all Android versions have a codename based on deserts..
Cupcake 1.5
Donut 1.6
Eclair (a cake) 2.1
Froyo (frozen yogurt) 2.2
Gingerbread 2.3
Honeycomb 3.0
Ice Cream Sandwich 2.4/4.0
lol
I think there will be a custom rom, but i don´t think we get it official.
Sorry for my bad English!
Julian
I don't think T-Mobile US Defy owners will ever see an official Gingerbread update, or anyone else for that matter.
Why would Motorola put one out when Defy+ is here? Defy team was moved to working on Defy+ long ago, that's why we still have a buggy official Froyo. They're just not working on Defy any longer.
They re-released the Defy calling it a Defy+ for the sake of a Gingerbread update. What makes you think they wont do the same for ICS. And ofcourse the Defy wont even get Gingerbread forget ICS.
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there is no question of getting official GB update in future. But I m sure there will be CM8 for defy
Anyway, CM8 sounds way better than a crappy ICS released by Motorola .
cannot w8 4 the ICS . even if our defy will not get an ICS update i'll buy a new phone
Anyone know when roll on on Ice Cream Sandwitch for arc 'll start ?
i dont want to exactly date , but maybe month ?
First Google has the release 4.0, then SE can bring it to our Arcs.
Rumours say it'll be before christmas but I'd say Q1 of 2012, maybe february.
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any official news about this ? some from se blog ?
and when google release 4.0 ?
It would be nice to get the update. Rumor has it ICS has great Memory Management which increase the battery life. I read somewhere On Moto Xoom it had a battery life of 70hours.
ShyamSasi said:
It would be nice to get the update. Rumor has it ICS has great Memory Management which increase the battery life. I read somewhere On Moto Xoom it had a battery life of 70hours.
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sounds great!
i heard the xperia nozomi (se 2012 flagship) would be release on march 2012, and will have ICS. so i think ICS will come out before that. maybe by the end of the year, or on christmas
but, i'm still not sure if our lovely arc will get ICS update too
I look forward to this new version of android
its been confirmed arc will get it.
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its been confirmed arc will get it.
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source ???
Wasn't there an agreement by all manufacturers to support devices for 18 months after launch? Including providing the latest android version etc.
I think that was during the Google I/O conference or something similar. [I could be wrong].
I'm a Ice Cream Sandwich lover! I want it release faster!
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Wasn't there an agreement by all manufacturers to support devices for 18 months after launch? Including providing the latest android version etc.
I think that was during the Google I/O conference or something similar. [I could be wrong].
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Sony Ericsson denies XPERIA Ice Cream Sandwich plans
source : h t t p : / / w w w .slashgear.com/sony-ericsson-denies-xperia-ice-cream-sandwich-plans-08178059/
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Sony Ericsson denies XPERIA Ice Cream Sandwich plans
source : h t t p : / / w w w .slashgear.com/sony-ericsson-denies-xperia-ice-cream-sandwich-plans-08178059/
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Regardless of that.. xtacy is correct - SE have signed up to deploy android releases for 18 months min to handsets..
xtacy! said:
Wasn't there an agreement by all manufacturers to support devices for 18 months after launch? Including providing the latest android version etc.
I think that was during the Google I/O conference or something similar. [I could be wrong].
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Yes you are right, but if afik the agreement will start with ics
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Well, according to this source a Sony Ericsson representative was quick to reply saying that all 2011 Xperia models will receive the Ice Cream Sandwich update. The quote was quickly retracted to an official statement of:
"When it comes to future platforms of the Android OS, we will make them available to consumers in a timely manner, as long as they improve the user experience and are viable from a hardware point of view."
I'd say Ice Cream Sandwich will greatly improve the user experience, and should be working fine on single-core processors as Android hasn't fully migrated to the dual-core world yet. Good chance?
As the Arc S is about to be released running 2.3.4 I would be amazed if it did not get bumped up to ICS. I mean that would be really bad of SE not to update that phone. I can't imagine it would take one of the talanted devs on here very long to port an Arc S 4.0 ROM to the Arc even if SE do not officialy update. So we will get it. Well, thats my opinion anyway.
Ice cream shud be too heavy for the 1GHz processor like Arc.. except the DoomLord had succesfully make the kernel overclock perfectly gonna be awesome !
ICS is supposed to be lighter than Gingerbread, and by the way Nexus S is also 1GHz and it works fine there - http://www.gsmarena.com/ice_cream_sandwich_gets_leaked_on_video-news-3199.php
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ICS is supposed to be lighter than Gingerbread, and by the way Nexus S is also 1GHz and it works fine there - http://www.gsmarena.com/ice_cream_sandwich_gets_leaked_on_video-news-3199.php
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Agreed - dunno where everyone gets this idea that each release of android gets slower - it actually keeps getting faster.
It does however tend to get larger with every release, so the limiting factor tends to be availability of internal storage - and even this only becomes an issue when large bloated UIs are bolted onto the OS (e.g. HTC sense on the Desire).
are u sure arc can update to ICS???
maybe ICS only for Tablet or smartphone with Procie dualcore, like honeycomb is only for tablet
we'll wait and we hope arc can update to ICS
Ok we know that the 4.2.2 official update was not so good at all for the Xperia ZL, toooo many BUGS and the camera should be like the best on the market.. for a SONY phone with EXMO RS sensor.... well someone know when is SONY going to release a new Update?
from the time it comes out (4.2.2) I dont know on wich firmware to stay wich has the best camera quality audio and all that... so this is the reason i made this post to see if I stay on 253, or 307. or 434..... and not updating to this 423 and w8 for a new update...
Thanks so much.:good:
Hi.
We can't expect a new update for ZL/ZQ in the near future (at least no further update was certified in PTCRB).
Many people will adopt 423 due to its SDXC support (and better screen colors, according to some), although many users think that the launcher in previous versions (say, 434) feels a little smoother.
Hey guys. Did you see Sony's details about KitKat? They said they were only mentioning the first few phones to get KitKat but do you think we'll get it in the new year? I remember past Sony updates did happen Dec-Feb.
http://www.sonyrumors.net/2013/11/06/kitkat-xperia-devices-features/
Sony News - On Jelly Bean 4.3 & Kit Kat 4.4…
If the Sony XPERIA M/Dual was to be upgraded to Android v4.4 [on paper] we'd have a very efficient phone.
Android v4.3 and Android v4.4 are about refining the existing implementation of Android.
It's just the number of little things like Miracast certification, OpenGL ES 3.0, optimised 2D rendering, memory optimisation and etc, that would make an already very competent phone a true delight to own.
I for one will be very interested to read where Sony decides to slot the XPERIA M regarding future Android OS updates, as Android v4.4 is really tailor make for such a device (as I read it)
The XPERIA L, XPERIA M and XPERIA C are all very conspicuous in their absence of any mention, regarded future Android upgrades.
There only problem for the big manufacturers is that revamping low-mid range phones with a streamlined version of android means they sell less because people change less often as their device that was on the way out now functions better than it did new.
I'm not really taking about the xperia M as this is still very new but I wouldn't be surprised if Sony only updated this years phones to 4.4. Tbh anything older probably has more dev work anyway so experienced users will get it via a ton instead of a don't release. Unfortunately we're probably low priority for Sony to update soon (all the flagships will come first) being a mid-low end phone and we also don't have substantial ROM support yet either to get it via CM or AOSP or Slimroms right now. It'll be interesting how it plays out and what we get when.
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As for the M not being mentioned, they did say that it is just the first wave of devices, not the last. For any of us that owned Xperia phones in the last few years, you will have seen that the more expensive devices tend to go first, it's not unusual.
Besides the M and Dual, there is the L and C. I would be stunned if these devices get left on 4.1-4.3. I'd be happy with KitKat. :victory:
looks like it will take long time for xperia m, first wave of xperia phone its for z series (from now on).. maybe next years we will get that feature and the only we can do now is just waiting
I think no one will you Stock when CM or AOSP arrives. So dont fuss on sony and dont make this discussion long.
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My friend got the Xperia Z months ago. I asked him did he have any custom ROMs. He said no and I asked why. He said that everything works great on his phone on stock firmware.
I've owned Xperia phones from every year. Every year I used custom ROMs. Until this year, that is. With the stock firmware on this phone, I have no desire to try custom ROMs. Now I understand what my friend meant.
Some of us like stock firmware. Plus, it's a bonus that you know you can send your phone for official repair and they won't reject it because you modified the phone.
I feel same for my xperia M not in the mood of customizing it yet
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My friend got the Xperia Z months ago. I asked him did he have any custom ROMs. He said no and I asked why. He said that everything works great on his phone on stock firmware.
I've owned Xperia phones from every year. Every year I used custom ROMs. Until this year, that is. With the stock firmware on this phone, I have no desire to try custom ROMs. Now I understand what my friend meant.
Some of us like stock firmware. Plus, it's a bonus that you know you can send your phone for official repair and they won't reject it because you modified the phone.
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I think you are missing one crucial point. That price difference between Z and M. The update support Z gets as compare to M is huge. Thats why custom roms are made. So if you want regular update get Z.
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No news, could still be good news.
Sony has started to identify potential Android upgrade paths on the software support pages for circa 2013 phones.
Again it is noted that all is quiet(22-NOV) on the XPERIA M front with no new information at this time.
Example of the Sony XPERIA SP Android upgrade path seen towards the bottom of the web page.
Extending Internal Memory on Xperia M dual
Guys, i need to extend my internal Memory in Sony Xperia M dual without rooting...Is there any possibilities there in order to play huge size games and also to store more apps on my SD card...
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Guys, i need to extend my internal Memory in Sony Xperia M dual without rooting...Is there any possibilities there in order to play huge size games and also to store more apps on my SD card...
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no...
y dontt u root the phone?
its easy to unroot[the warranty will not be void]
Dr Goodvibes said:
Sony has started to identify potential Android upgrade paths on the software support pages for circa 2013 phones.
Again it is noted that all is quiet(22-NOV) on the XPERIA M front with no new information at this time.
Example of the Sony XPERIA SP Android upgrade path seen towards the bottom of the web page.
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I(not an informed rep) note the XPERIA M is the only Android device using the MSM8227 SoC that I can find... Oh dear.
Maybe Qualcomm will just bin any Android upgrade support, if it requires to much effort for so few Android devices..
This could mean the Sony XPERIA M may be one of the few phones not to advance beyond the Android version it was released on.
This is just something to think about as I'm NOT an engineer and so don't go running off waving your hands about screaming the sky is falling... it's just my observation and something to consider.
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You're just summoning another ****storm on the forums.
This post is inaccurate, to say at least, in its entirety, as the M model IS IN FACT getting Android 4.3 in the first quarter of 2014.
ToastnButter said:
You're just summoning another ****storm on the forums.
This post is inaccurate, to say at least, in its entirety, as the M model IS IN FACT getting Android 4.3 in the first quarter of 2014.
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? who said this? how do u know about update?
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? who said this? how do u know about update?
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I saw it on here.
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Sony...d-4-3-for-Xperia-M-T-E-Dual-More-392821.shtml
But according to this Xperia L should of recieved its 4.3 update or may be getting it soon (before 2014), but Sony's Official post never mentioned any update for the Xperia L.
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I saw it on here.
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Sony...d-4-3-for-Xperia-M-T-E-Dual-More-392821.shtml
But according to this Xperia L should of recieved its 4.3 update or may be getting it soon (before 2014), but Sony's Official post never mentioned any update for the Xperia L.
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DONT BELIEVE SOME SITES INFO...its the proven fake image..
http://news.softpedia.com/newsImage...-4-3-for-Xperia-M-T-E-Dual-More-392821-2.jpg/
see the full image...
it shows the xperia sp no update lol....
it will get 4.3 and 4.4
and see V no update...but even it will get 4.3..
xperia L yes in q4 of 2013 ....lol sony doesnt even thinking of update for now...
and there are 2 xperia T in it..
the first one it states that the update will release on the 4th quarter whereas the last one states as No 4.3 release for Xperia T
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Sony has started to identify potential Android upgrade paths on the software support pages for circa 2013 phones.
Again it is noted that all is quiet(22-NOV) on the XPERIA M front with no new information at this time.
Example of the Sony XPERIA SP Android upgrade path seen towards the bottom of the web page.
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My observation was not well received so I removed it.
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I hope that that poster didn't get away with it. That's ridiculous. Since when is it not possible to post an opinion/guess/observation?
Yep, any of us that have owned Xperia 2012/2013 devices may have noticed that mid-tier devices often do get upgrades to major Android revisions, just not the first batch, which makes sense. I think the M will get it, maybe March or so.
Dudes/Dudettes, we're all good.
I didn't really like my own comment that much anyway.
I just worded my retraction poorly and come across as a bit of a drama queen. Fixed it now.
We're in a highly speculate thread until Sony provides confirmation on the direction the XPERIA M will take, so we can except augments from all points of view.
The truth is out there, hopefully we'll know soon.
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I hope that that poster didn't get away with it. That's ridiculous. Since when is it not possible to post an opinion/guess/observation?
Yep, any of us that have owned Xperia 2012/2013 devices may have noticed that mid-tier devices often do get upgrades to major Android revisions, just not the first batch, which makes sense. I think the M will get it, maybe March or so.
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Dudes/Dudettes, we're all good.
I didn't really like my own comment that much anyway.
I just worded my retraction poorly and come across as a bit of a drama queen. Fixed it now.
We're in a highly speculate thread until Sony provides confirmation on the direction the XPERIA M will take, so we can except augments from all points of view.
The truth is out there, hopefully we'll know soon.
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guys Xperia M is not mid tier to sony..
for them 15000+ is mid tier..
if u see the list for update they has plan to update SP,T,TX,V
all are 15000+
they missed their J,miro...which 15000-
what i m saying is just dont have too much believe and get angry on sony,and dont believe the some sites info...
just wait for <1 year we can see whether SONY give or not giving the update to Xperia M..
but i hope they would alteast give any one update to M like 4.3 or 4.4 in future ... since they didnt update Xperia M to 4.2[maybe planning to jump version instead of wasting time in 4.2]
So what is the Xperia E? The E and M are definitely not even close in terms of specs.
Maybe it's market-dependent. I live in Europe. Here, roughly the prices are:
Xperia E- €60
Xperia M - €250
Xperia SP €350
Xperia Z - €500
The Xperia M is mid-tier in Europe. In no universe is a €250 phone budget. I cannot be sure of every maket outside Europe but I can be here.
p.s. The Xperia Go in 2013 was updated to JellyBean. That was mid-tier.
Samsung have disappointed me with updates for a while now. I'm ditching Samsung from my note 3 after 4 and 5 have failed to impress. I'm considering the nexus 6 2015 but this new Sony has caught my eye. What are Sony like for updates on unlocked phones?
How much wait is there between a new android version and sony releasing theirs generally. Do they have a set policy on how long they support device updates.
Thanks
What do you mean by "unlocked" phones? Do you mean phones with their bootloader unlocked (which you can still update via Sony's own Flash Tool or carrier-unlocked phones?
The wait between a new Android version and Sony releasing it has improved significantly through the years. This is, in my opinion, largely due to them no longer loading as many propriety software on their phones and keeping as close to AOSP as possible.
And no, there is no set policy on how long they support device updates. But if you refer to a recent official statement on Lollipop 5.1 rollout, you'll notice that they included the Xperia Z, which was released back in Feb 2013.
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What do you mean by "unlocked" phones? Do you mean phones with their bootloader unlocked (which you can still update via Sony's own Flash Tool or carrier-unlocked phones?
The wait between a new Android version and Sony releasing it has improved significantly through the years. This is, in my opinion, largely due to them no longer loading as many propriety software on their phones and keeping as close to AOSP as possible.
And no, there is no set policy on how long they support device updates. But if you refer to a recent official statement on Lollipop 5.1 rollout, you'll notice that they included the Xperia Z, which was released back in Feb 2013.
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I meant carrier unlocked. I'll buy sim free whatever I choose.
Thanks for that info.
How soon is significantly?
My note 3 took until around june/july to get lolipop, even then it's full of bugs with no 5.1 in sight.
Sony began its rollout of 5.0 in mid-March: http://blogs.sonymobile.com/2015/03...lollipop-rollout-xperia-z3-xperia-z3-compact/ in certain markets, and continued to do so in batches in end-March, early-April and finally early-June for the older Xperia Z.
My Samsung Note 10.1 2014 edition is still (officially) on 4.4.2. Doubt it'll ever get to lick a lollipop.
Sony is notoriously slow to update.
Sony is not slower than the others, and my z3 compact got updated directly to 5.0.2 though I don't really remember (March/April) when that happened and got updated to 5.1.1 around late July. Having had an s5 at the same time, I find them more reliable than Samsung as far as updates are concerned. And flashing a different official firmware to get updated quicker is really easy too.
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Also my old Z1 still gets the updates just a few weeks after my z3c.
Been with Sony since K series years ago. I have to disagree. They are usually last to the table. Plus their rollout structure is archaic. One region at a time for up to six weeks, ridiculous.
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Been with Sony since K series years ago. I have to disagree. They are usually last to the table. Plus their rollout structure is archaic. One region at a time for up to six weeks, ridiculous.
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I've been using Sony devices since K750 and they have improved when it comes to update rollouts. In my own experience, Samsung is the slowest to roll out, given the mind-bogging number of models they have. Like I mentioned earlier, my Samsung Note 10.1 2014 edition hasn't even seen Lollipop yet and I doubt it will ever be rolled out for my device.
My Z1 has gotten more than 5 updates and its still on version A that means that its still gonna get updated to newer version, i have to say they have improved really really much in these last few years ! they have really started to update more and for bit older flagships too ! for me id say when google relases update, then 2-3 months and sony relases and update comes to my phone about a week after that. im on nordic region (sim free ofc) but i heard there are some delays on some regions, could be 4 weeks even. Carriers are always slow to convert, good thing they dont do that in here !
Having owned the Z3 on T-Mobile, I personally won't buy another Sony device unless the bootloader is unlocked/unlockable. To pay that big of a premium is one thing, but to pay it on a locked device is another. Fool me once....
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Having owned the Z3 on T-Mobile, I personally won't buy another Sony device unless the bootloader is unlocked/unlockable. To pay that big of a premium is one thing, but to pay it on a locked device is another. Fool me once....
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if you even think about unlocking your bootloader, why do you buy variants ? i always buy sim free unlocked phone !