My friend cannot decide between the two he says it feels the same. can you guys tell me the difference besides sense and froyo.
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each one has it's own link. You'll have to read each one to see the difference.
I think this is a valid question as these are the two best roms out there and I am trying to decide myself. I think I am going to go with the latest Cyanogenmod nightly. There does not appear to be a lot of information on the damage control due to the limited downloads.
I've only used damage 3.2 up until this point but its time for a change.
well id go with CM6 seeing as how damage is requiring a "donation" in order for you to use the froyo damage....dont know how much of a "donation" it is when its a requirement....
however the intelligent answer would be use CM6 right now since you don't have to pay for it and when damage 3.5 becomes available for free try that...
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I think this is a valid question as these are the two best roms out there and I am trying to decide myself. I think I am going to go with the latest Cyanogenmod nightly. There does not appear to be a lot of information on the damage control due to the limited downloads.
I've only used damage 3.2 up until this point but its time for a change.
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This is of course your opinion. I believe Fresh is the best Rom out right now. And my opinion is equally meaningless. This is not a major life choice...
I understand practical threads dealing with problems and technicalities but these threads which either ask for an opinion as if it were fact (or people responding with their opinion as fact) or asking about things which are easily found out on your own by taking two minutes to read seem utterly pointless and clutter the forum.
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Yeah, tell your "friend" to just try different ROMs and see which is better. If you don't like one, wipe and flash another. Sorry . . . if your "friend" doesn't like one. . . .
DC 3.5 has a lot of issues. CM would be your best bet for froyo. For based off of stock you will probably want Fresh or DC.
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If you want Froyo, these are probably the top 2 canidates. It will more than likely come down to Sense or no Sense. CM6 is a bit farther in dev than DC 3.5 but both still have their issues(like every Froyo rom for our phones). Most of the issues are similar across the board. I've run every CM nightly, RC1, and both DC betas. RC1 is the least buggy, but DC's beta 3 will def be much smoother. If you're happy with your current 2.1 rom's speed and stability, stay with it. If you wanna see what your phone is capable of with a few nuances on the way, try out a Froyo rom. The devs have just about everything working. You can always NAND back.
my friend decided in CM 6. thanks guys.
I loved DC 3.2.3 it was smooth and practicly error less. With that said I jumped to RC1 CM6 and I am loving it. 2.2 and I am not going back. One thing I will say is that CM6 has its settings more integrated into the rom and The old DC had an app to adjust the rom specific settings. For now my choice is CM6.
I know someone mentioned something about donating. Once you choose a rom you like I say donate and be thankful. I know a lot of us spend a few dollars here and there on apps in the market so whats a 5 or 10 dollar donation for a rom.
Honestly, both RoMs are great and both have some of the same Froyo issues.
I tired them both, and I actually went back to 2.1.
Froyo may be great and all that, but I can't notice much of a difference in anything I do on my phone versus 2.1.
All the people dying for more FPS, MFLOPS(whatever that does) must play a lot of game or something because the only way I know I'm getting more fps or mflops is if I run an app specifically designed to test it.
Not at all bashing Froyo because I'm sure it is amazing, just that the Devs here at XDA have made the 2.1 roms so fast and smooth that I can't tell a difference between them and froyo. For me, the battery life and virtually bugless 2.1 roms beat the 2.2 roms for now. Tell your friend to play around with a few, make a nand on one he likes and go from there.
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well id go with CM6 seeing as how damage is requiring a "donation" in order for you to use the froyo damage....dont know how much of a "donation" it is when its a requirement....
however the intelligent answer would be use CM6 right now since you don't have to pay for it and when damage 3.5 becomes available for free try that...
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They don't require a donation. He was sending the beta out to anyone who had ever donated to him, ever, including during the Hero ROMs.
People just donated to him now so they could get an early look at it. It wasn't quite up to TrevE and damageless release standards, so they let the people who donated beta test it. You could seriously send them a dollar and they would let you test it. When it's ready for prime time, it will be free.
I've a nandroid of both CM6 and DC 3.5, and they are both great ROMs. I go back and forth pretty much as each one is updated, and it's hard to choose one over the other. I personally like sense, and it doesn't slow Froyo down one bit, as both ROMs test almost identical in quadrant, stdev, and linpack.
When I use CM6, I miss sense. I just like it. I know, I'm in the minority, whatever. When I use DC 3.5, I miss the ultra customization that CM6 allows for, right from the menus.
I'm still undecided, but it will probably be DC in the end, just because I do like sense so much, and from what I've seen, there aren't any drawbacks to it, at least in DC 3.5.
Let me say this right off the bat the devs here are the best. I haven't tried any of the custom ROMs but from what I've read most people are happy with them.
So having said that I am wondering if Samsung / Sprint actually recruited the devs to help them make the best ROM available would it make the Android releases go faster?
My gut instincts tells me no. The devs here do it for the love of what they do and do it for free. I have to admire the talents and inspiration being put into the custom ROMs that we may never see in production releases due to the custom crap they put into it in hopes it all works.
Apple do have an advantage over this but still hinders innovation.
Bottom line is devs keep up the good work despite of us *****in at Sprint / Samsung about 2.2 and beyond.
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they didn't drop DK28 for no reason. they wanted the input.
Exactly. Why actually hire the devs here, when they can "leak" DK28 and get them to work for free. haha
I can tell you for a fact Sprint looks at XDA work...
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Don't think they would knowingly higher an xda dev just because they would fear more of leaks and infrormation not being safeguarded as they do with there army of zombi devs....
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they could for sure if they got everyone from SDX!!!!!!!!!
Just had an overthought out reply about software development vs cooking.. but then read the OP and realized it didn't say google..
The devs here could probably match sprints work.. probably not Samsung..probably close but their not known as being the greatest software company in the world anyway..
Their are very different fields of expertise, and comparing these level of skillsets is like comparing apples to oranges..
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they could for sure if they got everyone from SDX!!!!!!!!!
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SDX has been crickets, lately. At least the Epic section has. I liked the place, too.
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SDX has been crickets, lately. At least the Epic section has. I liked the place, too.
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must be to busy with a trying to update a junk phone to 2.2
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must be to busy with a trying to update a junk phone to 2.2
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The Moment was an awesome phone "was",still has great dev support though...
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The best thing about the Moment was sdx. Pos phone that became serviceable thanx to those guys. I think their Epic forum will liven up when they get the source.
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Hey all you Devs out there. I would have posted in the Dev group but I don't have enough posts...yet.
I love the community here and ROM work for the 4G. You guys do great work. The work is so good I am afraid to move from my 4G to the Evo 3D. I've noticed with the newer ROMs I have a lot less internal space for installs and was thinking of trading that sucker in for the 3D. So my question is this:
Are many of you planning to Dev for the Evo 3D? Remain with the 4G? Or do both?
Thanks for the help all!
Heck most of the devs (I'm not one) are going to the evo 3d.
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I never really thought that we may be left in the dust by devs moving on to the the newer/better device
There is still some development going on for the good old HTC Hero, so there is hope some will stay with us and keep us going for another year or so
Some will stay, some will go, and some may get the 3D (or any other new device) and keep the Evo to play with. I think for most developers, they are working on whatever device they're using as their phone. Like the rest of us, some will decide the new generation is worth the upgrade, but I'm sure some won't.
Hello everyone.
Im a HTC Faithful and currently using an Evo 4g still. This phone is starting to show its age and im thinking of picking up a Epic Touch.
But looking at the dev section, it doesnt seem that there are that many roms in progress, let alone any updated ICS roms. There was even a nice leak of the SGS2 ICS Rom and that hasnt been worked on.
Im just wondering where all the ICS roms are. If i moved over, id prob want to stick to ICS.
Anyone move from Evo to Epic Touch and feel that there are enough roms? That its being supported as much as other HTC phones?
Any input?
Depends. The Stock Touchwiz Roms from samsung has plenty of development here. The AOSP side we just barely got a CM7/KANG that has quite a few bugs. For some those bugs arent a problem, but for me it didnt pass as a daily driver.
Also the whole Clockworkmod-fused-with-the-kernel/rom on this phone will give you a headache if this is your first time rooting a Samsung Phone.
It would be my first Samsung rooting. I have looked over the instructions and saw it's somewhat different from HTC style, but nothing I can't handle.
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I personally think samsung is easier when it comes to rooting, etc. I came from an evo 3d, and that was kind of a headache, especially themeing because of the .m10 files that it had. I kinda lean toward samsung though, if you cant tell by my sig.
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I see that no one has answered your main question...There are no ICS ROMs available as of right now...The deves are creating a base for it so when its possible to create one, they can implment it faster.
Uhhh. I guess the dev's are working on them.
I'd be stoked if you can work faster than they can, or pay them to work faster...
But it's not like changing a battery, there's a lot of work that goes into cooking a ROM.
They want to get CM7 complete and stable as a base to use for other Aosp roms. Samsung's official ICS for our device will have touchwiz and I think 95% of us don't want that. We need Aosp roms and kernels nailed down before we progress any further. Once the devs have a stable functional base to work from other doors will open. It takes time.
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I'm not knocking the devs or anything. I understand how ROMs work and have built my own in the past.
I guess I'm just surprised that such a popular device doesn't have any devs working on ics while ancient devices like the Evo and HD2 have multiple roms.
What matters the most to me are phones that have a large modder base. I semi expected to see this place packed with devs and other crazy stuff. Caught me off guard that it's quieter in here then in the Evo section.
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I personally think samsung is easier when it comes to rooting, etc. I came from an evo 3d, and that was kind of a headache, especially themeing because of the .m10 files that it had. I kinda lean toward samsung though, if you cant tell by my sig.
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thank you for the helpful post. I'm glad that someone felt the sense pain with me.
So... Until sprint comes out with a superphone, would you recommend just getting this phone on CL and moving from the Evo?
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rawdikrik said:
thank you for the helpful post. I'm glad that someone felt the sense pain with me.
So... Until sprint comes out with a superphone, would you recommend just getting this phone on CL and moving from the Evo?
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There may not be ICS but this is still a hell of a phone. In the market oyher than the Google phone just coming out this is the top of the line. I came from an Evo and I love it
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I think its Samsung vs HTC thing
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I'm not knocking the devs or anything. I understand how ROMs work and have built my own in the past.
I guess I'm just surprised that such a popular device doesn't have any devs working on ics while ancient devices like the Evo and HD2 have multiple roms.
What matters the most to me are phones that have a large modder base. I semi expected to see this place packed with devs and other crazy stuff. Caught me off guard that it's quieter in here then in the Evo section.
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I think its more because Samsung is not releasing the source code, once they put it out our esteemed devs will bring ICS very fast. HTC is very fast about everything giving out source, update etc. I am just waiting for HTC to come with some phone which is a little bit better in specs and I am getting that. Samsung phones just looks beatifull. I want a phone that works as good and is backed up by support from the Manufacturer.
The fact is the Evo is no longer that great of a phone. It's nowhere near the same league of phone that the GS2 is, ICS withstanding.
Honestly the new Touchwiz isn't that bad. The only people making a big fat fuss over it seem to be previous HTC owners. Let me tell you, sense sucks big fat donkey balls compared to Touchwiz. I was a Go Launcher devotee prior to owning the Epic Touch. Touchwiz has proved to be ok for me.
I would still be completely happy with my day one purchase of Epic Touch even if we don't end up getting ICS until mid next year, gingerbread on this thing still flies compared to every other phone out there.
Furthermore, the OG Epic had a slow but steady dev community. Half the roms I flashed on the evo ended up being kangs or just plain crappy old skins. There were a few really good ones, salvagemod was the best vanilla AOSP. But really, the OG Epic community put out some real quality stuff, albeit at a slower pace.
Honest answer: jump in, the water is fine. Yeah, ICS will be quite nice once we get it, but in the meantime, there isn't a better phone you can get on sprint than the Epic touch.
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thank you for the helpful post. I'm glad that someone felt the sense pain with me.
So... Until sprint comes out with a superphone, would you recommend just getting this phone on CL and moving from the Evo?
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Develepors here ARE working on ICS. Its all over these boards. There are A LOT of roms being produced. I'm not sure how you missed that... this IS a superphone. I'm not sure how you missed that either. This phone is MUCH simpler to work with than HTC brands. Since you've built roms before, open up a ET4G rom and compare it to the evo4g. You will see what I speak of...
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Develepors here ARE working on ICS. Its all over these boards. There are A LOT of roms being produced. I'm not sure how you missed that... this IS a superphone. I'm not sure how you missed that either. This phone is MUCH simpler to work with than HTC brands. Since you've built roms before, open up a ET4G rom and compare it to the evo4g. You will see what I speak of...
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Literally was writing this verbatim! LOL. I'm guessing OP posted without looking anywhere but the EVO forum and this Q and A section or the dozens of ICS threads would have reached out and smacked him in the eye.
Coming from HTC HeroC > LG Optimus S > HTC Evo 4G > HTC Evo 3D to this I was a bit shocked to not see as many devs picking the device up as well. I think everyone is missing what OP is saying and taking it as a bash, it is a surprise that more devs are not migrating towards the E4GT when this is obviously sprint best device to date. This device has the potential to be the next Evo 4G, development wise. It is crazy fast/smooth out of the box. It is also the easiest device I have rooted to date. When I left the Evo 3D for this near launch I did so for the screen size and the Exynos Processor, not for development. Even if no AOSP roms were to come to the device, one of the modified stock roms with Go Launcher on it is all I really need, though I want CM9, lol. That said we now have CM7 in the works, and CM9 will follow soon. Our AOSP devs are leaning more daily, and taking a lot of heat for what they are doing. Even if they are getting help from _______ (fill in blank), they are still taking all they are getting and putting it together for a awesome AOSP type rom. Who else is doing that for the device? Exactly!
But yet some still bash and call them Kang Bangers
I say go for it, find a deal on CL or FleaBay and jump. You will not be disappointed one bit
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The fact is the Evo is no longer that great of a phone. It's nowhere near the same league of phone that the GS2 is, ICS withstanding.
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I definitely agree with you in that the Evo is old news. Which is why I'm considering the upgrade to begin with. It is showing it's age more and more.
Thank you for your input.
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Coming from HTC HeroC > LG Optimus S > HTC Evo 4G > HTC Evo 3D to this I was a bit shocked to not see as many devs picking the device up as well. I think everyone is missing what OP is saying and taking it as a bash, it is a surprise that more devs are not migrating towards the E4GT when this is obviously sprint best device to date. This device has the potential to be the next Evo 4G, development wise. It is crazy fast/smooth out of the box. It is also the easiest device I have rooted to date. When I left the Evo 3D for this near launch I did so for the screen size and the Exynos Processor, not for development. Even if no AOSP roms were to come to the device, one of the modified stock roms with Go Launcher on it is all I really need, though I want CM9, lol. That said we now have CM7 in the works, and CM9 will follow soon. Our AOSP devs are leaning more daily, and taking a lot of heat for what they are doing. Even if they are getting help from _______ (fill in blank), they are still taking all they are getting and putting it together for a awesome AOSP type rom. Who else is doing that for the device? Exactly!
But yet some still bash and call them Kang Bangers
I say go for it, find a deal on CL or FleaBay and jump. You will not be disappointed one bit
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Considering how Nice and respectful I have been on this thread, I'm glad that you can understand EXACTLY where I'm coming from. Thank you for the information.
I'm not here to knock sgs2 nor am ragging on the hard working devs. I'm just staying a fact: there aren't very many different kinds of roms here.
And if you look in the Dev section, there are no ics roms to flash. No alphas. No betas. Nothing. I'm sure people are working on it... But there are none there RIGHT NOW.
Some of you need to chill out. I wasn't insulting you or your mom. I was asking a few questions and making an observation. Lighten up trolls.
I'll be picking up one of these this weekend, and aside from rooting and flashing calk's build (that man is amazing), I'm going to be teaching myself how Sammy does it's roms.
Does Sammy not release source code? Aren't they legally required to do this?
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Considering how Nice and respectful I have been on this thread, I'm glad that you can understand EXACTLY where I'm coming from. Thank you for the information.
I'm not here to knock sgs2 nor am ragging on the hard working devs. I'm just staying a fact: there aren't very many different kinds of roms here.
And if you look in the Dev section, there are no ics roms to flash. No alphas. No betas. Nothing. I'm sure people are working on it... But there are none there RIGHT NOW.
Some of you need to chill out. I wasn't insulting you or your mom. I was asking a few questions and making an observation. Lighten up trolls.
I'll be picking up one of these this weekend, and aside from rooting and flashing calk's build (that man is amazing), I'm going to be teaching myself how Sammy does it's roms.
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I really don't see anyone trolling you here. Looks like a pretty tame thread to me. My comment was probably the "harshest"if you could call it that. My main point was that you stated that no one was working on ICS and I was pointing out that it would be extremely difficult to miss the fact that several devs are in fact working on ICS, MIUI, CM7+9, AOSP and more TW custom ROM's.
I don't think any of us disagree that we wish there we more things going on, but I also think people forget that the EVO dev process was not overnight. Go back to the first EVO posts and you can see that it was several weeks from release before the customization started and a couple months before things really got going. And when the EVO came out, there was zero worthy competition. Pretty much everyone jumped on the EVO train.
I don't think that anyone here is upset by your post, but I do think it discounts the efforts that have been going on for well over a month to get ICS and the other goods to this device.
"There was even a nice leak of the SGS2 ICS Rom and that hasnt been worked on." I think that statement was the one that bothered me because it clearly showed that you were making assumptions without doing any research. And we have enough people in this forum doing plenty of that already. In fact, I have never seen more dev cooperation on any other device. Take a look at the ICS thread from the beginning and you'll see some amazing teamwork. Unfortunately derailed by demanding and entitled community members and leeches, but still alive and kicking in IRC and private spaces.
But I digress, the main point, you probably wouldn't be disappointed by picking up this phone. IMO, it is the best out right now and a quick look around will show you that the number of ROMs is about to hit a stride. The dates of release can show you that new work has just arrived and its beginning to look a lot like EVO-town in here.
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Coming from the Evo 4G and writing guides and helping people on those forums for a while, I bought an E4GT.
Compared to the Evo just development wise on XDA, there aren't as many ROMs or as much development going on.
But phone wise, its a great phone and a great upgrade from the Evo 4G. Personally I use Launcher Pro/ADW so slapping that over TouchWiz is great.
Rooting is simple. There are auto roots going on and not as much of a pain as the Evo 4G. Also flashing things like Radios, ROMs, etc are faster as well because of the difference in phone speed and boot speed.
As for ICS, there was something in the works, but I think there hasn't been any much development on it.