Hello there,
I am developing a game for wp7, and I want to have a user login with skills an level. This users and levels I want toread and write from an SQL database.
But until now I found no API to connect. Is there any free solution to implement a database in wp7 (not linq)?
Thank you
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Nope, not in Nodo. You have to use linq-To-XML. This should be perfectly fine for small amounts of data.
If you can wait for Mango you can use a SQL CE database, but you still need to use Linq-to-SQL:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh202860(v=VS.92).aspx
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I know linq as a local database.
If I understand right linq-to-SQL is a one time sync? So I have to sync linq and SQL in the beginning and end of game.
So I would create for each user a linq db and then all linq dbs would be synced in SQL?
Sounds difficult, but I will give it a try this we
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win98 said:
I know linq as a local database.
If I understand right linq-to-SQL is a one time sync? So I have to sync linq and SQL in the beginning and end of game.
So I would create for each user a linq db and then all linq dbs would be synced in SQL?
Sounds difficult, but I will give it a try this we
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Sorry, do you want to connect to a remote SQL database on a webserver, or a just store a database on the phone itself? If on the phone itself, you can create on database for each user (Mango only).
If you want to sync with a remote server, you will need to interact with the server using some sort of Web Services. Then the Web Services do the reading/writing to/from the SQL sevrer and send the information back to the phone (you can currently do this in Nodo).
It should not be local, if its possible.
I want to subscribe on a free SQL host like I've of these: http://www.free-webhosts.com/free-mysql-database.php
Then I want to do the user management there and want do update the level and skills of the user who is logged in. A bit like a windows live account with the gamer points.
I would be glad if I can use SQL commands with c#.
I hope it become more easier to understand . Thank you for helping.
Do you got any sample code or tutorial how to use SQL in wp7? I failed :-D
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With NoDo, you can't directly access an SQL server.
And even with Mango, I'd be careful doing such a thing, it can really be dangerous on many levels.
The best solution would be to use a web service, which could be accessed from your phone (via the WebClient class) and would handle the dirty work of connecting to the database and executing SQL queries (eg. inserting or retrieving data and outputting in XML format). This way even if you alter the structure of your database you don't have to change a single line of code in the app (that means you'll avoid resubmission), but only the web service code.
As a general suggestion, handle the more things you can server-side.
SQL Protocols are not really designed to work over slow/unreliable connections like the Internet, especially when it comes to 3G and so on. So it really would be best to encapsulate everything into a WebService to which you then send the Nickname, Game and Score and which allows to get the top rankings as well as a given players rankings.
I guess we won't see the ability to connect to remote SQL Servers through ADO.Net as it most likely would lead to bad user experience anyhow.
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SQL Protocols are not really designed to work over slow/unreliable connections like the Internet, especially when it comes to 3G and so on. So it really would be best to encapsulate everything into a WebService to which you then send the Nickname, Game and Score and which allows to get the top rankings as well as a given players rankings.
I guess we won't see the ability to connect to remote SQL Servers through ADO.Net as it most likely would lead to bad user experience anyhow.
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i am good in sql and there are free sql hosters, thats why i wanted to try it with sql.
so, the webservice, is this kind of php? can i also get some free hosters for these services?
i found in google some sample code, but i dont understand where the data will be "stored". Is this going to be like a "cloud app"
edit: grrr looking for "free webservices" in goog but i just find free homepage hosting sites
I find this topic really interesting because it tackles something I just can't wrap my head around: getting Windows Phone 7 to interact with a SQL database just doesn't seem like it's been explained in a straightforward enough manner.
For instance, my case is one where I need my app to extract info from a MySQL db stored on my website, parse that data and display each entry as an item in a pivot control. Turns out that no, SQL is not supported natively so I must go out of my way and recode my data into something that WP7 can understand; I read it's XML and that makes sense, so I have designed an auto-updating XML file on my website with data I want fed into the WP7 app. This is a workaround to connecting directly to a SQL database, as it only requires there to be a PHP file periodically creating an XML file with the info I need and it won't expose any SQL connection credentials, etc. I do not manage users on my site, so maybe win98 needs to find a way for WP7 to call a PHP page, send it a user ID or something and then retrieve that user's info. But any way, I think XML can work perfectly as a means to communicate between SQL and WP7 apps.
But, I don't know how to make this XML file populate the pages of my app. In Expression Blend I can import the XML as sample data, but it does this during design time and not at run time. This means that Blend can see my data and display it how I want it displayed, but I can't take this to runtime and have it displayed like that on the phone. So far, I haven't seen a single easy to follow step by step tutorial on how to parse information coming from an XML file on a WP7 app.
Any suggestions on how to overcome this hurdle we both face? I am familiar with web programming, but I know jack sh*t about C#, so Linq is greek to me.
Ok so I really got this wrong, that with Mango you get SQL and ports support so that you can remotely interact with an SQL server, with sql commands pretty much like you would do on a desktop and how you could do with WinMo ??
Best practices aside, You still get to do that with webservices ?
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Hello there,
as you know, MS PPC SDK is too big for dial up user like me
So, I'm looking for small unofficial API so I can download it and develop for it
I don't need a big API, jus API lets me add textbox and button
If there is no such API like this, please I need some developer to develop small application. I'll tell him details (Its sooo small app)
Regards
For simple apps, it's quite easy to knock them up in HTML and javascript. Also the PPC platform contains an ASP web server, for more complex apps that need file access etc. It also means that you can build/tweak them on the go directly on the device.
Wow, thats would be great to develop in ASP,HTML and Javascript. especilally in ASP which has good functionality
but this would be in IE, or it will be ran as independent program ?
Pardon my english
Yeah, unfortunately it'd all run under pocket internet explorer.
There's a plethoa of other freebie/cheap languages out there
PocketC; NSBasic; CEBasic; PocketPCPython; Waba; PocketScheme; J; etc; but at the end of the day it's worth getting the MS dev tools as they're what everybody uses.
Don't MS offer a CD of it for a nominal charge .. aha eVT3 $7.85 from https://microsoft.order-5.com/trial...oper+Tools&product_id=X09-17298&cookie_test=1
What exactly is it you're trying to build and on what platform?
Thanks very much for the link
I'll buy it now, its really cheap
I want to develop a program for PPC2002 PE, Windows2003Mobile to handle SMS better than inbox program
I found good program for developing palm os,symbian and ppc applications using VB6. the program is MobileVB and it is not too big to download
Regards
Handling SMS - a word of caution, the XDAI doesn't have a decent way of handling SMS receiving - you either need to pick it up from the inbox, or replace the entire existing SMS handing application with your own app - and that's a lot of code - not just messages, but also receipts, QOS, WAP push etc.
MobileVB is quite nice, but it's rather expensive for the casual developer.
Hello there
Thanks for answering
I bought eVT and waiting for it
I tried MobileVB but it doesn't worth that money so I didn't buy it
Actually , my idea was to get the messages from sms inbox and show it to be compaitable with nokia screen in addition to to view MMS better and Biz Cards correctly
If you have any helpfull informations I'll be glad to hear from you
Regards
Good evening folks,
I am considering buying the HTC Touch Pro2 when it is released in the USA on Tmobile. I would like to understand what hacking (security testing) tools are available on the Windows Mobile Platform. I am a security professional and have the desire to perform penetration testing from the HTC Touch Pro2.
It seems the MetaSploit framework is not available. I like to work with the command prompt, is the command prompt accessible on the HTC Touch Pro2? I've read some info about being able to mount ISOs or run emulators. Is there WiFi hacking software such as Kismet available?
Does anyone know what hacking tools are available for this platform?
Thank you!
Anyone have any ideas?
It doesn't run real windows, you can't get a command prompt. You'd be better off with a real machine.
There's a couple companies out there that sell WM devices for pentesting, but they are all provided with the hardware since they are focused on wifi and I don't believe the standard WM stuff lets you put it into promiscuous mode.
You'd probably be better off with an android device so you can just compile whatever you want.
MSFT products have never been suitable for comp-sec professionals.
You're better off connecting to a *nix box using either PocketPuTTY or using a webbrowser to connect to a remote server running metasploit.
Check out VxUtil, it gives you DNS, reverse DNS, port scan, ping, finger & so on. Pocket Putty is a good free SSH client, also does port forwarding.
OpenVPN works as well if that takes your fancy. Lots of security tools are available, they are just a bit obscure. I don't think nmap is around though.
thanks for the reply
Our company actually just released a new product (called Security Tools) that lets you ping, traceroute, do a WHOIS lookup, and even do port testing on your Windows Mobile phones. The port testing can even send clear text commands to a port such as 'GET / HTTP/1.0' to verify that it is a HTTP service listening on that port. The traceroute is also able to visually show the trace (if it's public IP address) on a map so you can kind of get a visual representation of where your traffic is going. Please feel free to try our one week free trial which lets you use the application for a week without limitations, so you can make sure everything works as you want before you buy.
You can visit the original post here at xda over at this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=550473
or you can visit the website for the product at:
http://www.securenetworksystems.com/SecurityTools/
Punkster812:
I downloaded "security tool" , installed, got a license - and it was already expired...
Also, your company name is "secure network systems" and your web-pages are hosed in Microsoft IIS, and based on aspx .....seriously, if you wish to appear as a security company, you cannot use that crap.
the program with won't work because you serve old license, but one thing is clear; the icon is of very low resolution, and looks bad on WM6.5 or TouchFlo menu.
And: the long Device-ID is there only to annoy your customers, no pir8 would ever be bothered by it, so you may as well stick to 6 characters alphanumeric code +-+++...
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Punkster812:
I downloaded "security tool" , installed, got a license - and it was already expired...
Also, your company name is "secure network systems" and your web-pages are hosed in Microsoft IIS, and based on aspx .....seriously, if you wish to appear as a security company, you cannot use that crap.
the program with won't work because you serve old license, but one thing is clear; the icon is of very low resolution, and looks bad on WM6.5 or TouchFlo menu.
And: the long Device-ID is there only to annoy your customers, no pir8 would ever be bothered by it, so you may as well stick to 6 characters alphanumeric code +-+++...
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I am sorry that you had troubles with the trial download, if you PM me with your Device ID I can get you one. We are aware of the low resolution, but rather than focusing on a pretty icon, we worked hard on a functional program. The long Device ID is not to annoy customers, it is actual a very secure method that we use and if you are able to break it, I would be very impressed; I know it's long but it's to protect our intellectual property and no other licensing method existed that prevent piracy like this does. We know ever method is breakable, but this accomplished our goal of restricting to the pirates that are going to steal software no matter what.
As far as the server... you are using a Microsoft product as well for you phone. We very rarely use Asp.net through our site, in fact it's only for license generation and to set up an order, but doesn't actually handle purchases. So the site is secure and I am confused on why you think our site is so insecure. I love Linux and Apache as much as the next network administrator. 4 out of 5 of my personal pc's run Linux with one set up with Apache for my personal site, but for our business needs, we went with IIS.
Again I am sorry that it didn't work for you, I will double check to see if it's still properly generating license, and remember, the trial starts from when you download the license, not run the application with the license.
regarding IIS: http://www.internetnews.com/securit...Microsoft+Rushes+to+Patch+FTP+Hole+in+IIS.htm
This finally got some attention, it was in fact being exploited for years, over several versions.
Hosting software on vulnerable servers gives an opportunity for hackers to easily repack your CAB with spyware/dialer, and you can guess the rest. - such CABs must be inspected for each download.
Regrading long serial number, it only makes a brute force attack harder, at best, which is usually not the method used. You can as well trunk it to a 6-7 char/alphanumeric number, and it will work the same, but annoy people less.
Remember you are at a forum where people often reflash, and entering long serials each time (if cannot be exported from registry) - is boring, and a motivation to workaround.
I can't remember what it's called, but there is a CAIN port for Windows Mobile.
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I can't remember what it's called, but there is a CAIN port for Windows Mobile.
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you are right; - it's simply "Cain for PPC:"
http://www.oxid.it/downloads/Cain_setup_PPC.ARM.exe
and yes, it's far away from the "real" Cain.
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regarding IIS: http://www.internetnews.com/securit...Microsoft+Rushes+to+Patch+FTP+Hole+in+IIS.htm
This finally got some attention, it was in fact being exploited for years, over several versions.
Hosting software on vulnerable servers gives an opportunity for hackers to easily repack your CAB with spyware/dialer, and you can guess the rest. - such CABs must be inspected for each download.
Regrading long serial number, it only makes a brute force attack harder, at best, which is usually not the method used. You can as well trunk it to a 6-7 char/alphanumeric number, and it will work the same, but annoy people less.
Remember you are at a forum where people often reflash, and entering long serials each time (if cannot be exported from registry) - is boring, and a motivation to workaround.
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Thanks for the link, I looked into and we are not vulnerable against the attack and never have been due to the attacks requirements (http://blogs.technet.com/srd/archive/2009/09/01/new-vulnerability-in-iis5-and-iis6.aspx). As far as brute forcing, without going into to much details, would be extremely difficult to do as it uses standards proven encryption algorithms. The extremely long serial that you are talking about is a unique ID for your phone. We know it's long and are always looking for ways to improve the licensing we use. The license is a file and not something that you key in, you copy to the installation directory; so you can keep a copy in your email, on your computer, flash drive, where ever for back up purposes in case you need to reload the app.
As far as reflashing, that is a very valid point. I am not 100% sure, but I believe reflashing should not hurt the license, which would hopefully mean you wouldn't have to enter your device id again. But if any one could confirm this, that would be appreciated. We know a lot of the people here are very advanced and know more about their phones then most the people at service providers or even the phone manufactures themselves sometimes, which is why we enjoy releasing our products here for testing before we release them to the public. In the little time that Security Tools has been up we have received some constructive feedback on what could be improved.
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As far as brute forcing, without going into to much details, would be extremely difficult to do as it uses standards proven encryption algorithms.
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Right, that's why I said long numbers would be good for only that, once the calculation/verification routine is extracted for a keygen, it's no more job whatever the result is 6 or 50 digits long.
- Therefore, you might save your customers from all the boring entry, because no keygen /(or crack) will be more difficult by having more digits.
http://weblogs.asp.net/scottgu/archive/2010/06/30/new-embedded-database-support-with-asp-net.aspx
Replied by Scott, M$ is looking to enable it on silverlight.
I think this is also work in wp7 in future
Yes, I'm pretty sure it's among the things they wanted to do with it. Not only does it make a dead-simple database support for ASP.NET apps, but it also will be good for Silverlight as platform.
That way we can get a nice DB with a LINQ provider, that will be able to be scaled up on the *real* SQL Server when needed. A counter-reaction to sqlite being made available for Silverlight though Mono.
It also fits the whole concept with IIS7 Express very good
"That is something we are looking to enable as well in the future. Not there just yet though "
Sounds like "not anytime soon" to me.
The problem is writing a database is fully managed code is, well, difficult. Specially if you want it to be performant.
Also I think they might rather want us to use cloud service (read: Windows Azure) instead of a RDBMS, for our Silverlight and WP7 applications, if datastorage is needed. I believe you can expose a Azure Storage easily to WP7 using WCF.
The thing is that when we can't deploy any native stuff, microsoft can. They just need to provide a wrapper so it can be used from .NET
At the moment I'm working on an app called "WP7 Root Tools". I got the registry editor almost finished, but I am also going to add a File Explorer, Certificate Stores and maybe more. When the registry editor is working I will release the first alplha-version. As the title of the app implies, the tool uses root privileges to perform queries and transactions. I let the tools parasitize other processes to get the code executed in the TCB chamber of the device. I have this working stable now on my Samsung Omnia 7. Unfortunately I have to use a little bit of device-specific API's to do this. And I have to make quite a detour to make it work, which has a negative impact on the performance.
So the ultimate goal is that, in the end, this will work with other, more direct API's, which work on all devices. During my research I found some possiblities that need more investagation. I already decided that I will first concentrate on getting this working with my Samsung device, so that I have at least the tools to do further research. But I thought I'd drop some of my findings here that may lead to better device-support and better performance for future-versions of the tools.
There are many ways that may lead to executing code with elevated or root privileges. But in this post I want to concentrate on XML provisioning. A lot of info can be queried and configured through these API's. I have tried to call the native OS functions for XML provisioning. The function you need to call is: DMProcessConfigXML(). And it is declared in: Cfgmgrapi.h. If you call this function it returns errorcode: 0x4ec (or 0x800704ec), which means "Access disabled by policy". If you use a native COM dll and you forget to add ID_CAP_INTEROPSERVICES to the WMAppManifest.xml, you will get the same errorcode when calling a native function through the COM-interop. So when I get the same errorcode when calling DMProcessConfigXML() this may suggest, that I might be missing a capability in the WMAppManifest.xml.
In another thread on this forum some undocumented capabilities were discussed. One of them was ID_CAP_WAP. Since OMA Client Provisioning is also call WAP-Provisioning, I thought that might be the missing capability. I was not able to add the capability from within Visual Studio, because the capability is missing from the corresponding xsd's so it will give an validation error on building the project. But I could add it manually after the project was build. When I deploy it to the device, using the Application Deployment tool, it would return "Access is denied". I thought it might be an invalid capability, but when I changed the capability to ID_CAP_XXXXXX that would return "Install failed. Fix the capabilities." which is the real error message for an invalid. That implies that ID_CAP_WAP is in fact an existing capability, but I'm just not allowed to use it. When I would be able to use it, I would probably have access to the function DMProcessConfigXML(). That part of the app would be impesonated into higher chambers.
So the big question is what is keeping me from using the ID_CAP_WAP? Why am I not allowed to use it? I tried to attach a debugger to XapDeploy.exe, but it does not throw any exceptions at all. The errorcode is generated in the phone. Getting this fixed will give a big boost to getting closer to root access on all devices. Any help or insight on this will be appreciated.
Heathcliff74
I sent some tweets to da_g, chris, chevron, julien schapman, and a few other devs to let them know this is going on...I'll try tom hounsell too he may know a bit more about this
I'm notifying notebookgrail too because he has been doing some work with dell venue pro devices
Good luck
At a wild guess, it's probably looking for a signature. Using signed code for trusted functions is the kind of thing MS likes to do. :-/
All that said, if you have ProvXML working on Samsung, I would *love* to take a look at it. I'm maintaining a cross-platform Homebrew library. Currently I have at least partial ProvisionXML on HTC and LG, but none on Samsung. I don't have a Samsung device to test with, which is making it hard to try things out...
ID_CAP_WAP isn't a capability you can assign yourself. A higher up has to assign it to you.
<!-- Account loaded from: W:\WINCEROOT\temp\oakcopy28570\Release\x86\XDE\Policy\cb659c75-eac9-4db7-afd8-055632acf233.policy.xml(292,2) -->
<Account Id="S-1-5-112-0-0X71-0X49445F4341505F574150" Description="Autogenerated group for capability ID_CAP_WAP" FriendlyName="ID_CAP_WAProvides access to WAP API" Type="Group">
<!-- MemberOfGroup loaded from: W:\WINCEROOT\temp\oakcopy28570\Release\x86\XDE\Policy\cb659c75-eac9-4db7-afd8-055632acf233.policy.xml(293,2) -->
<MemberOfGroup GroupAccountId="S-1-5-112-0-0X71" />
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domineus said:
I sent some tweets
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Thanks.
GoodDayToDie said:
All that said, if you have ProvXML working on Samsung, I would *love* to take a look at it.
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Well, the whole ProvXml stuff will become irrelevant, when I finish the tools. Because ProvXml is not really user-friendly and my tools will provide that functionality in a user-friendly fashion. So at this moment I want to concentrate on finishing the first alpha-version. Later on, I will probably clean-up the code and release it. But it's quite complex, because I added async multithreading to keep it all smooth.
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ID_CAP_WAP isn't a capability you can assign yourself. A higher up has to assign it to you.
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Thanks for this info. But what I read from this is that you just need to be able to impersonate. Has anyone tried CeImpersonateToken() with this SID?
Abstraction of the ProvXml capabilities is awesome, assuming that we can fully use them and/or extend them if needed. It's useful for a ton of stuff. I've written a small amount of abstraction for registry writes and such, but having the full functionality exposed through a clean API would be fantastic.
Hello everybody,
I got a WP7 Samsung Focus and I want to port my old application to this device and join native forces for WP7
My plan is simple: I'll convert my app into a dll, rewrite new gui in C# (or whatever the way to do it on WP7). I saw multiple posts about calling native code (original from Cris Walsh: http://goo.gl/2Tjks). Then I saw a few posts mentioning that it's impossible etc etc.
So, a few questions:
0) can I do it for my app (I don't need marketplace exams etc, I don't care for that)? I know that some WinAPI could be unavailable/broken, all I ask at this point if it's possible to load and run native dll without changing or re-flashing ROM.
1) ms wants 100$ out of my pocket to be able to deploy to my own device (WTF?!). What can I do to deploy to my phone without paying the crooks? (VS2010 tell me to register there and registration askes for 100$).
2) Is there a sample project I could D/L and run, I have zero experience in C# and I have no idea how to load and call native DLL from managed code in WP7? All these half broken samples are totally useless to me, I simply wanted to working HelloWorld app that loads and runs simple dll.
thanks
0) Yes, what you describe is possible. There are lots of limits, though - WP7 applications have very low permissions, and calling native code doesn't fix that. Unless you need to edit something outside the app's own iolated storage, though, you're probably OK.
1) Aside from the official marketplace account ($100), there are a few options:
a) if you've got an LG phone, they come with a built-in registry editor that can be used to dev-unlock your phone. I forget the exact key you need, though.
b) if you've got a student email address (ends in .edu) you can try registering through DreamSpark. This is free.
c) if you don't mind rolling back to pre-NoDo (7004 or 7008) you can use ChevronWP7 Unlock (instructions available on this forum). If you don't have a restore point that far back you can flash an official ROM for that version.
d) if you don't mind waiting, ChevronWP7 Labs will be available at some point (no ETA that I've seen, but it's been talked about for months) and will provide dev-unlock (but not marketplace account) for a nominal fee.
2) There are lots of apps distributed with source, and most of them will use some native code. You could do a search on this forum for subject lines including the tag "[SOURCE]" and find several (I release source for all my apps). However, I suspect what you'd find most useful is Heathcliff74's guide to WP7 apps that use native code, which is on this forum at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1299134. It includes step-by-step instructions.
Hope that helps! I look forward to seeing your app. Also, don't hesitate to ask for help with the actual development; I suck at GUIs and Silverlight but am fairly proficient at C# if you need somebody who knows that language, for example.
There is an ETA for the new ChevronWP7 unlocker:only a few weeks away from launch!
Hi GoodDayToDie
GoodDayToDie said:
0) Yes, what you describe is possible. There are lots of limits, though - WP7 applications have very low permissions, and calling native code doesn't fix that. Unless you need to edit something outside the app's own iolated storage, though, you're probably OK.
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At this point I want to make a DLL from my simple app and call a few functions that interact with filesystem and network. FS is needed only for simple stuff (loading config file etc) from installation folder and creating some temporary files for local storage. Network is tcp/udp, I guess network should be available.
GoodDayToDie said:
1) Aside from the official marketplace account ($100), there are a few options:
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I did some search, it seem that I've done that part. Chevron dev unlock was pulled out from their site, but the old version remains scattered all over the board. There is a good thread a good thread on how to do it. It happens that my phone is 7004. Where can I get old ROM in case if something goes bad and I need to re-flash? Is it easy, am I risking to brick and loose my phone?
I just tried to run sample phone app and it runs on the phone. Initially it said that it was revoked by MS, I run dev-unlock one more time and now it works.
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2) There are lots of apps distributed with source, and most of them will use some native code. You could do a search on this forum for subject lines including the tag "[SOURCE]" and find several (I release source for all my apps). However, I suspect what you'd find most useful is Heathcliff74's guide to WP7 apps that use native code, which is on this forum at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1299134. It includes step-by-step instructions.
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I'll try to search, hope I'll be up and running soon. Too bad WP7 is DOA. They always had much better tools than all these ghetto Symbian/Android/Xcode crapware tools... WTF is wrong with these guys, at the point when they were surpassed at speed of light by newbies iPhone and Android they made some backward steps to cut off most of the devs (but they added all these 500K Silverlight newbie devs...). I'm so disappointed with Android, seems like they hired all these retards who were fired at symbian: same **** tools
I downloaded a few samples and it seems that all of them contain prebuild dll's and all of them are COM dlls or something like that.
What I'd like to find is simple sample that contains src code to native WinMo dll and C# project that it uses.
As far as I know native dll cannot be build with latest tools (am I right?), but I can use cegcc or VS2008 to build native DLL's.
stuff like:
Code:
if (ComBridge.RegisterComDll("ComFileRw.dll", new Guid("EEA7F43B-A32D-4767-9AE7-9E53DA197455")) != 0)
is totally unknown to me. I would really like to avoid to even elarning anything about COM related stuff. I prefer not to mess up with code that isn't portable.
HI mtlgui,
unless Heathcliff finishes his WP7 Root Tools SDK, you don't have any other way to access native c++ code besides using COM. DFT (The DarkForcesTeam) released a firmware loader, that allows you to flash customized unsigned firmware. They were also able to do some native c++ coding with the WM API. However the used firmware for that is not public and it is limited to HTC devices.
Did you already consider to write your application in c#? Mango has now TCP/UDP socket support for outgoing connections. Incoming connections or services running on the phone aren't possible without using native code, at least for the moment.
Hi rudelm,
if the only way to use native is to build COM dll, then I'm OK with that. My app code is old and I'd rather throw my WP7 device to trash can than trying to rewrite my app in C#.
Eventually, down the road while hacking maybe I'll learn c# well enough to do anything with it other than GUI and calling native/COM dlls.
So, just to confirm my understanding. I need to write COM dlls that access native API (socket, filesystem, wavein/waveout etc) and then load these COM dlls and call their functions from C# (or whatever is the closest lang to c/c++ in the WP7 world).
@mtlgui:
You've pretty much got it. A few thoughts, though:
There is a webserver project available on this site. It includes source for its C++ native component (the library is called NativeIO; I can probably send you the source if you can't find it). It exposes registry, filesystem, and TCP server and client sockets to COM. Note that because this library was built for pre-Mango phones, just compiling it and shipping it may not work on Mango phones as many deprecated libraries were removed in Mango and if the DLL contains any references to them, it won't load.
Generally speaking, what you're asking for with TCP/UDP is possible, though you may have to code against the winsock API directly. It sounds like you're doing as little as possible with C#, so even if the Socket API that is available with Mango were sufficient for your app's needs, you wouldn't be using it.
Filesystem access... even if you have read access to your app's install folder (I haven't checked, though you should), you almost certainly won't have write access. Each app does have a writable "isolated storage" though, under \Applications\Data\{GUID}\Data\IsolatedStore\. I've only ever tried writing to it using C# though, so I don't know for sure if it's writable using the native APIs directly (should be, though).
It's probably perfectly OK to write your app as one big native DLL (hell, it *might* work to just change the build type from Application to Library, then rename main() or something like that). You will need to expose the library to COM, but that's easy. You can then write a very simple C#/Silverlight app (see Heathcliff's instructions, or just post the COM interface and soembody could write it for you). All the C# app needs to do is use ComBridge to access the native DLL, and call a "run()" function or something similarly simple.
For what it's worth, C# is very close to a superset of C++, at least on the desktop. The phone version is crippled a little by not allowing the use of pointers - everything has to be done with strongly-typed references instead, which can make network code a little annoying but is otherwise rarely a problem - but with a little experimentation you may find your disdain for C# to be misguided. It's a useful language to know it today's job market, if nothing else.
Why is your phone still on 7004? That's the launch retail build, something like eight months out of date. On the plus side, this means that things like ChevronWP7 Unlocker still work for you, as you found. On the minu side, it means you're putting up with bugs and missing features that you needn't be. Have you tried updating at all? If/when you do update, make sure to back up the restore points that the Zune software generates (they got in %localappdata%\Microsoft\Windows Phone Update\). That way, if you ever need to roll back to 7004, you can do it. Normally, only the most recent restore point is kept.
Flashing ROMs is safe so long as you don't try something like flashing the wrong one for your device. Unless your bootloader is unlocked (only possible on HTC), you can only flash official ROMs anyhow, which saves you from most of the risks. On the other hand, you're already on as old a ROM as you will find, and so long as you keep your restore points, you can return to it any time you want to, easily.
I'm googling now the board to find NativeIO and that webserver app. So far only references to it, but no src code.
I'm ok with isolated read/write access. All I care is persistent fs storage.
My phone is still 7004 because I just bought it so I can do some WP7 development. I don't want to mess up with updates at the moment.
As I understand from another post ComBridge is C#->COM->native c++ dll or any other dll that can be used, right? I'm just learning some COM to learn enough to start actually programming for the phone. I see that I can pass whatever data I want, but I don't seem to be able to see a way to register callbacks so that native/COM could call back to C#
mtlgui said:
I'm googling now the board to find NativeIO and that webserver app. So far only references to it, but no src code.
I'm ok with isolated read/write access. All I care is persistent fs storage.
My phone is still 7004 because I just bought it so I can do some WP7 development. I don't want to mess up with updates at the moment.
As I understand from another post ComBridge is C#->COM->native c++ dll or any other dll that can be used, right? I'm just learning some COM to learn enough to start actually programming for the phone. I see that I can pass whatever data I want, but I don't seem to be able to see a way to register callbacks so that native/COM could call back to C#
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Basic introduction to native code and COM, including references to more background info: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1299134.
Callback from C++ -> COM -> C# can be done. Decompile the WP7 Acrobat Reader app. You'll see how it works.
Ciao,
Heathcliff74