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New Phones coming out

Hey guys,
I was just wondering what all new phones you have heard were coming out. I got a Tilt2 and seems like I have 30 days to return it. I don't really love the phone. It's still slow. Constantly locking up. Not an upgrade over my Raphael at all other than the screen.
So basically, what are new ATT phones coming out? Anything Android I should look at? Anything HTC is releasing that is actually an upgrade?
No point in flaming, I've been with the newest and latest HTC versions of phones for the last 4+ years. They have been great. But they aren't even upgrading anything anymore, and Android is passing them and at the same time being cheaper. It is unfortunate, but I thought you guys might have some opinions or rumors on new phones that were actual upgrades.
Thanks!

You can try Nokia N900

be careful of how you want people to respond. claiming software on an htc device (against another htc device) is its downfall in the xda forum will make it too easy for people to lash out against you.

The Jack of Clubs said:
be careful of how you want people to respond. claiming software on an htc device (against another htc device) is its downfall in the xda forum will make it too easy for people to lash out against you.
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Um...Okay?

The Jack of Clubs said:
be careful of how you want people to respond. claiming software on an htc device (against another htc device) is its downfall in the xda forum will make it too easy for people to lash out against you.
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Really I mainly mean lock up as in the software can't work right because of the hardware. I'm mainly critiquing the hardware, not the software. The software would be awesome, if it had a processor to run it.

Don't all the recent HTC devices (not including HD2) have the same specs?

schwalbach said:
Really I mainly mean lock up as in the software can't work right because of the hardware. I'm mainly critiquing the hardware, not the software. The software would be awesome, if it had a processor to run it.
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I think you mean't that the software was bad and then someone posted something slightly threatning... The truth is the software is bad. My phone locked up constantly and was awefully slow. I posted that I didn't like it and got a bunch of stupid comments but I did get a few useful ones. Here's what I did to get my phone working pretty well.
I didn't like touch flo, i thought it was slow and didn't offer things I need like tasks. I like the today screen but wanted more functionality. My answer is SPB Mobile Shell. Remove everything from the today screen and just use that. Somehow it uses memory better than touch flo or today screen. I can load the device up with running programs (like 80%) and it responds quickly. I have clearRam running at 12:15 everynight to close it all out while I'm asleep and I wake up to a fully ready to go phone...
Hope this helps...

LG Expo is out or should be out soon, it's packing a snapdragon processor, memory and RAM are the same as the tilt 2, but still it has a snapdragon. I'm also a little disappointed in HTC, i mean it's taking them 3 generations of the touch pro just to upgrade the processor, the touch pro 2 should have had at least a 600 mhz-800 mhz processor. But thats just my opinion.

schwalbach said:
Hey guys,
I was just wondering what all new phones you have heard were coming out. I got a Tilt2 and seems like I have 30 days to return it. I don't really love the phone. It's still slow. Constantly locking up. Not an upgrade over my Raphael at all other than the screen.
So basically, what are new ATT phones coming out? Anything Android I should look at? Anything HTC is releasing that is actually an upgrade?
No point in flaming, I've been with the newest and latest HTC versions of phones for the last 4+ years. They have been great. But they aren't even upgrading anything anymore, and Android is passing them and at the same time being cheaper. It is unfortunate, but I thought you guys might have some opinions or rumors on new phones that were actual upgrades.
Thanks!
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I don't know anything about the Tilt2 locking up, because, well, I had it for less than an hour before I HardSPL'ed it and flashed a custom ROM to it. It has never locked up on me even once. Funny thing, even though the processor is the same as the Fuze, my Tilt2 is a LOT faster than my Fuze. I mean a LOT. I don't quite understand it myself, but it is self-evident when I perform actions on either device. It even took about one third the time to flash the same build/date ROM (check my sig.) to my Tilt2 that it took to flash to my Fuze.

I know this isn't the point of the thread but I've had a Tilt 2 for a couple of weeks now, running the stock ROM (with tweaks and regedits) and have had no lock-ups. The phone doesn'r seem slow or laggy at all to me. I had a Fuze last year for a week but returned it because it was so bad. The Tilt 2 is a major improvement IMO.

the lg expo is just not a better phone. it has a snapdragon processor but thats not going to be what makes the phone. lg is a bad brand and makes bad products. and if you keep windows mobile but stray away from htc youll regret it. people dont make roms for many other manufacturers. you wont beable to squeeze out more performance by flashing a new rom. youll be stuck on stock with all the bloat and none of the htc enhancements. if you really want it, buy it, its not my money.

As far as I can see with new devices not any real HTC replacement for Rhodium will come till 2011, so let´s enjoy it!!

there are ways to make the rhodium better. a better camera with flash. i would have liked to have a 5mp camera as is fashionable with this generation of phones. some would say a capacitive screen but compared to the hd2 the sensitivity is close to the same. and being a business phone i think having a stylus for notes is more important. the only thing you would really want a capacitive screen for is zooming and it has a zoom bar. i secretly miss a dpad though they always disappoint a little, knowing they could be better. and the chrome could have been skipped on a bit. i love a good hardware keyboard and the touch pro 2 has the best of any phone ive ever used. i cant see myself getting rid of it since almost no phone will have anything like it.

goodbyereality said:
I don't know anything about the Tilt2 locking up, because, well, I had it for less than an hour before I HardSPL'ed it and flashed a custom ROM to it. It has never locked up on me even once. Funny thing, even though the processor is the same as the Fuze, my Tilt2 is a LOT faster than my Fuze. I mean a LOT. I don't quite understand it myself, but it is self-evident when I perform actions on either device. It even took about one third the time to flash the same build/date ROM (check my sig.) to my Tilt2 that it took to flash to my Fuze.
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So did I. The latest version of Energy does help with the lock ups, although the previous one was locking up and this one is still slow.
Not a software thing, but some examples are things like:
If I have a lot of texts, it takes forever for them to load a thread, and when I exit the person's text part it will basically take 10 seconds to get back to the list of everyones texts. Sometimes the top bar(where Start menu is) will get stuck and show things like the top-right X and the previous top bar for the last program I was in even when I'm back at the home menu. The weather animations lag everything sometimes(Sense 2.1 ones, not 2.5 because 2.5 made it lag even crazier.)
Seriously though my favorite phone was the Tilt 1. Then the Fuze just blleewww. Now this one is an upgrade and I like it better than the original Tilt, but only slightly. The hardware and specs aren't even much better at all it seems, and it simply isn't worth $500 for almost no upgrade. I've played with some of the Android/Palm/Iphone phones with better specs and stuff and everything is just snappier and smoother. Once again, its nothing our chef's can fix, just HTC isn't giving us upgrades.
So thats why I was asking if anyone had heard anything about real upgrades on ATT. Even if I have to switch to Android, just an upgrade.
I obviously think switching to another WM6.5 that isn't made by HTC is a bad idea just because of the custom ROMs, so I can only look for a better HTC phone or Android, and neither seem available.

bye bye touch pro 2

so after 3 weeks of hangin on this forum and spending all my free time learning the phone to do the tricks i want it to.
or even to work straight for more than 3 days without reset i returned my phone and got a blackberry bold 9700
since it suits my needs more.
ill wait till the HD2 comes out here in US
it was a great phone (in theory) but in practice it was kinda bulky, unresponsive,umm kinda useless for me personally.
i felt like i was using windows 95 again.
program errors every day at least one
freezing constantly
setting up email every week because it stops receiving mail
then hardware wise:
no camera flash, and quality is not so great for being 3.2mp(ive had much better)
no headphone jack mmkay
forget about one hand use nless you got girl fingers, nut then it wil be too heavy to hold.
the mein reason is actually what alot of you guys should consider is how much time u spend tweaking, modding,FIXING, your phone VS. how much time you spend actually using your phone
with this phone it was 80/20 ratio which is not what i bough the phone for.
blackberry it was about 30/80 which was pretty satisfying for me.

I guess windows mobile isn't for everyone, nor is the tp2. Enjoy your new device.

fuzzysig said:
so after 3 weeks of hangin on this forum and spending all my free time learning the phone to do the tricks i want it to.
or even to work straight for more than 3 days without reset i returned my phone and got a blackberry bold 9700
since it suits my needs more.
ill wait till the HD2 comes out here in US
it was a great phone (in theory) but in practice it was kinda bulky, unresponsive,umm kinda useless for me personally.
i felt like i was using windows 95 again.
program errors every day at least one
freezing constantly
setting up email every week because it stops receiving mail
then hardware wise:
no camera flash, and quality is not so great for being 3.2mp(ive had much better)
no headphone jack mmkay
forget about one hand use nless you got girl fingers, nut then it wil be too heavy to hold.
the mein reason is actually what alot of you guys should consider is how much time u spend tweaking, modding,FIXING, your phone VS. how much time you spend actually using your phone
with this phone it was 80/20 ratio which is not what i bough the phone for.
blackberry it was about 30/80 which was pretty satisfying for me.
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Shame to hear your bad experience
For me, spending my time here customizing and learning it´s pleassure!
You must really like modding your device, otherwise you always con go for iphoney, crackberry or any other "ready to use" brand
Rhodium is a great device for me

Its all about taste i guess
Its all about taste i guess, .. i used to have a Motorola RAZR V8, Linux-Based, ... and i used to MOD the shi*t out of it, i really liked that, even though that the battery life was really bad, but i liked it cuz it was mood-able. after that i bought nokia E75, not much i could do with it but adding themes and apps, .. its really reliable, and fast, but its kindda boring when you cant do anything but the original functions
anyway, . .wish you good luck with your BB mate!

orb3000 said:
Shame to hear your bad experience
For me, spending my time here customizing and learning it´s pleassure!
You must really like modding your device, otherwise you always con go for iphoney, crackberry or any other "ready to use" brand
Rhodium is a great device for me
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Couldnt Agree More. I Mod My Phone Everyday. Its Only So Much To DO With A iPhone/Blackberry. Im Bout To Get The HD2 Though.

well it was mostly because of speed of the device.
im probably the most ADD pc user i know. most of the time people have no idea what im doing on the PC because i have so many windows open and i go thru them very quickly when im doing something. and they sit there like wtf.
so blackberry OS is a lil snappier. out of the box it has most features that i need without tweaking...
i do want the HD2 when it comes out but its probably gonna be expeeeensive.
and like i said i bought the phone so i can use it not spend all time modding it. i did that with my sony ericsson and once i was done. the new one came out that had all the features so. i could spend my 6 months just saving up some money for new one and do something else.

Some people go buy a new toyota and some people go find old chevys to restore

it is kinda like a muscle car to tweak.
I still miss my wizard. made that thing run faster than a Kaiser... or this tp2.
I kept coming back to windows because the OS and OEM are so tweakble. I dont have problems teathering internet to my laptop... in fact it is like having a mini laptop.
I think that as soon as the new rom comes out for T-mo I will do everything I did on my wizard to make it run as fast as I want it to, even if it takes a month. (which it did) I keep hearing people complain about their Blackberries and IPhones.. "I cant do this; I cant do that" and meanwhile I raise my IQ just problem solving.

Exactly. Some peoples phone are also their hobby, others just want a phone.

Basically my assumption is that ALL windows smart phones will be slow no matter how many new versions and faster cpus there are. It's just windows...lol.
I do agree that other phones such as the iPhone or Blackberry is extremely fast, but when it comes down to modding, you really can't do much...
You're basically stuck with what your phone came with and nothing else.

fuzzysig said:
...with this phone it was 80/20 ratio which is not what i bough the phone for. blackberry it was about 30/80 which was pretty satisfying for me.
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30/80 on the BB, huh? Wow, you are getting 110% from your Blackberry? If so, where do I get one of those? Now we all can see why a windows "smartphone" was so difficult for you to use.

ChasDun said:
30/80 on the BB, huh? Wow, you are getting 110% from your Blackberry? If so, where do I get one of those? Now we all can see why a windows "smartphone" was so difficult for you to use.
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He he he he......

I can understand why some people like windows mobile and the flexibility to mod and tweak etc., but i'm so tired of windows mobile and their crap OS full of bugs. Yes you can install cooked ROMS and the chefs around here do a great job but when the core code (OS) is crap it brings you back to the same bugs no matter what ROM you're running. For example, SMS on every windows mobile phone i have owned (treo, mogul, touch pro and now tilt 2) has been crap. It's actually worse on my tilt 2 than any of the previous winmo phones I owned. I actually just installed a "hotfix" which is supposed to fix the sluggish/freezing SMS application and either the update didn't install (looked like the install went fine) or the update did absolutely nothing to fix the sms app because my sms app is just as slow as it was before and still freezes. If SMS wasn't such crap on winmo I would stay with a winmo phone but since it's getting worse I'm either going to the Iphone or an android as soon as the androids are released for AT&T.

I absolutely love the TP2 hardware. I love Manilla/Sense when it works. I just want to get my phone set up with the programs I want with the theme/backgrounds I want and leave it alone and let it get my emails, make phone calls, and browse the occasional web page. But simple things that shouldn't cause the phone to lock up, does. Any time I change the Theme on my phone, Sense locks up and I have to soft reset. Winmo has been out for quite a while simple tasks like that should not be an issue. Sometimes after I softreset Sense won't launch and it locks up my phone. Nothing to do but softreset again and hope for the best. I tried installing SPB Shell. Progress bar stuck at 100% for like 30 minutes. Guess something went wrong so I soft reset. Tried uninstalling and the uninstall sticks at 100%. No way for me to get rid of it so I had to hard reset and re-set up my phone. This was after spending an hour researching trying to find a way to get rid of it.
But I finally have my phone looking the way I want it too. All the programs I want installed. We'll see how stable it is now.
Comming from an original TYTN II then moving to an iPhone and then a Blackberry and then an Android phone I really do love the possibilities of the ecosystem of Windows Mobile but with my iPhone, Blackberry, and Android they were so much more stable and easier to live with day to day. One of the things I miss most about the Blackberry platform is the ability to plug it in, and backup the entire device and create a sort of snapshot of that time and day of your config. So if I need to wipe my device I can go back to a point where everything was installed and working the way I wanted it too. This software came with the phone and wasn't something you had to spend 5 hours researching on XDA Developers to see if it's even possible.
I love this web page, it's an invaluable resource with TONS of information. But for those of us who don't quite know all the nomenclature, or know what things will work with what version of Sense/Manilla, or your build of Windows, or that maybe items from the Blackstone will work on your Rhodium, etc it's pretty tough sledding reading and researching trying to figure out what you want to know to do what you want to do. It's almost like there is too much information at times. And the information is presented in a way that only experienced Windows Mobile users know what the heck the information means. And if a new user posts a question they will be told by 3-4 different people that the information is out there if only they would do a search. But as a new user it's hard to search for something when you aren't quite sure what it's called or if it's even possible in the WinMo eco system.

lol thats why i choose a toyota over some beat up chevy.
BECAUSE IT DRIVES and i dont have to spend hours making it work...
had the blackberry for a qwwk not and havent had a single complaint yet.
no freezing up. no need to constantly update it.
no need to go thru registry
blackberry browser is not the best one but it is better because IT WORKS when i need it to, it doesnt frreeze up every time i open it.
sorry guys but you can make all the excuses the fact is, winmo is SLOOOW and buggy.
i didnt pay 600 dollars for a phone that i constantly have to "maintain"
its like buying a 70,000$ mercedes and spending your whole evening trying to work out all the bugs and engine codes instead of driving it... yes the phone is great, lots of potential but what good does it do if it doesnt perform the functions it supposed to?

Why are you still here?
And it isn't Windows Mobile that is slow, it is the crap processor HTC has been using for the past 3 years and has just now finally started using a decent one with the HD2.
Though I do agree it has more bugs than any of its competitors.

Well said!
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It isn't Windows Mobile that is slow, it is the crap processor HTC has been using for the past 3 years and has just now finally started using a decent one with the HD2.
Though I do agree it has more bugs than any of its competitors.
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I couldn´t be more agree!!
Rhodium is a great device.
I decided to wait till all 1ghz processor bugs are fixed, then hope a Touch Pro 3 arrives and will upgrade!
But sure this won´t happen till 2011/2012
Meantime I´m enjoying my Rhodium a lot

petard said:
Why are you still here?
And it isn't Windows Mobile that is slow, it is the crap processor HTC has been using for the past 3 years and has just now finally started using a decent one with the HD2.
Though I do agree it has more bugs than any of its competitors.
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I certainly agree that the proc is a bit outdated, but not quite that much...the first HTC handset with the Qualcomm 528Mhz chip was the Diamond, released in June '08.
But I have to say, I think the TP2 is a shining example of how much usability can be milked out of even processors that aren't much more than 50% of the speed of what's currently available. I know we're all having secret dreams about a qwerty-slider "TP3/HD3/Nexus2", but until such a beast is announced, you can pry my beloved Rhodium from my cold dead fingers.

I totally agree. You have said a mouth full. I am what you call a begginner. I've had an Excalibur,ATT Fuze and now a Tilt 2. I've modded every single phone more than twice and I knew nothing when I first started. Thanks to Xda-developers. I love my Tilt 2. I wouldn't trated for anything else until something new comes out with a keyboard.
Blackberrys are so borring and Iphones has had its big share of issues. I had the 1st gen and 3G version. Modded that too but nothing comes close to my Tilt 2. Best part of my Tilt 2 is the tilt feature. Set it down and enjoy a movie.
Up to now I have not seen a cell phone with out an issue. Thats why there are people like Xda that come to the rescue. You may see your self in a crackbeery site in need of help.
My point is move on and theres no need for sorrow or goodbyes.

....I´m reading here of slowlyness, hat the phone freezes, and so on....
I have my TP2 now for 3 month....it is my first winmob device.
Have flashed a german custom ROM, and made some tweaks....have installed a lot of apps...
BUT: I think, the phone isnt THAT slow....also my phone doesnt freeze very often.
And, by the way: SMS works very well....!!!

What Phone Will Make You Ditch Your Touch Pro 2 For Good?

Ive Had My Touch Pro 2 For A Year And Some Change. Ive Had Some Fun Modding And Androidding It (LOL) But Its Time For Me To Move On To A Faster Phone That Will Take On WinMo 7 And Have A Business Phone On The Side. I Will Be Moving Over To The HTC Leo Forum (HTC HD 2) Next Week When T-Mobile Releases It And I Will Have A BB 9000 As My Backup.How Many Of You Are Moving On Soon? And To What Phone/PDA? Will You Keep Your Touch Pro 2 As A Backup? Yes? No? Why?

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Ive Had My Touch Pro 2 For A Year And Some Change. Ive Had Some Fun Modding And Androidding It (LOL) But Its Time For Me To Move On To A Faster Phone That Will Take On WinMo 7 And Have A Business Phone On The Side. I Will Be Moving Over To The HTC Leo Forum (HTC HD 2) Next Week When T-Mobile Releases It And I Will Have A BB 9000 As My Backup.How Many Of You Are Moving On Soon? And To What Phone/PDA? Will You Keep Your Touch Pro 2 As A Backup? Yes? No? Why?
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No matter what phone I move to and when, the one thing I'm going to hold on to is the keyboard from my TP2....I fully intend to frankenstein it onto any device I may use in the future
Point being....I won't be changing devices until (unless) somebody releases another WM unit with specs at least as strong as the HD2, AND a keyboard as good as the TP2's. 'Till then, I'll be happily thumb-dancing away, Rhodium-style!!

Touch Pro Keyboard With HD Screen
sirphunkee said:
No matter what phone I move to and when, the one thing I'm going to hold on to is the keyboard from my TP2....I fully intend to frankenstein it onto any device I may use in the future
Point being....I won't be changing devices until (unless) somebody releases another WM unit with specs at least as strong as the HD2, AND a keyboard as good as the TP2's. 'Till then, I'll be happily thumb-dancing away, Rhodium-style!!
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Me And My Friend Was Talking Yesterday And He Said He Wants The Touch Pro 3 To Be The HD2 Screen/Specs With The Touch Pro 2 Keyboard. I Think That Would Make Me Come Back. But The Touch Pro 2 Is Not Fast Enough For Me. I Wish It Could Be Overclocked.

HTC Desire already preordered...
I'll certainly miss the awesome hardware keyboard and tilting screen.
Problem with the TP2 is not the hardware for me. It's just WinMo. I've been on this platform ever since my Touch Dual a couple years ago and I know it's very capable. But the platform is outdated.
I hope WinMo7 turns out to be as revolutionary as M$ claims it will be. In the meantime, I'll be jumping ship to Android for now...

The Nexus One did it. I sold my X1 for a tilt2 after the t-mobile only Nexus one was announced. It took about 45 minutes for me to pick up one of the AT&T Nexus Ones after it was announced today. I've been running Android recently to see how I liked it, and it wins for me over WinMo.

I'm willing to adopt any Windows Phone Series 7, keyboard or not. I say calm down on all the phones now, b/c the whole landscape as we know it will be changed by 1/1/11..
but yeah, this elusive TP3 would be nice..since a WPS7 phone can have a keyboard as seen by the LG, hopefully they're holding off for that..

im going to consider an hd2 in the future. i was thinking to get it much sooner, but ill wait a bit for the prices to come down. the tmo version has a really low price and should lower the price of the t9193. if i do, i will miss the keyboard and the speaker. but damn, that screen. it could make an iphone user commit suicide.

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it could make an iphone user commit suicide.
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That could only be proven with thorough, extensive testing. And then more testing. In fact, here, let me give you a hand with that

I am actually considering the AT&T compatible Nexus One. If it had a keyboard I wouldn't have to even think about it.

I am torn between the HD2 and the Desire. I haven't given up on WinMo yet, although I am disheartened by what I have seen of Windows Phone 7.
I also have a Toshiba TG01 which, although a flawed device, has convinced me that my next phone must have a 1GHz Snapdragon or better.

HD2
I definitely need something with a little more processor, so I've been thinking about the HD2. I will miss the keyboard some, but I've got so used to using swype, I don't think I'll miss it that much.

I really like my TP2, but I've even more so loved the Android OS - even though it doesn't totally work. If I could get an Android OS phone, with front cam, back cam, wifi, BT, FM radio w/ RDS, and a physical kb, I'd sell the TP2 in a heartbeat. I'm so over the winmo OS, and the new microsoft version doesn't look any better. Android OS please!

I love my Rhodium tooooooooo much to move onto another device.
When the time comes to renew my contract I'll probably get an HD2.
But I'll use my Rhodium as a phone. And the HD2 as a toy

i like my tp2. but as soon as us cellular gets something with more speed and not windows 7. ill be jumping ship. prob to android. ive read all the findings at mix 10 on windows 7. and i will be goin to android. windows 7 looks great. but its lockd down. and all they stopped us from doing with it. its not worth the wait. so bye bye wmo.

T-Mo HD2 next week will be replacing my TP2 which replaced my G1 which replaced my Wing.
Looks like a 6 month cycle.

I wish VZW would come out w/ the HD2...I might go with the Nexus one or this thing:
http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Saygus-Vphone-phone-pa_4463.html
I also like the HTC Incredible for vzw, it looks like HD2 hardware w/ android. Most likely i'll keep the keyboard and go w/ a saygus if anything (although chances are I wont get a new phone)

I keep looking at the Droid. Figure I'll wait a few months, see what shakes out with (if) the 6.5 update, and then move over to the Droid. I'm out of contract now with Sprint, and they don't seem particularly to care if people leave.

I am getting the HD2 for sure, I will keep my TP2 just to mess around with it but I have tested the Tmo HD2 a few times at my local store and I love it. I am just watching the time tick by until next Wednesday and I will be joining you in the NRG HD2 forum

TP3 only!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have until Summer 2011 before I can upgrade my Touch Pro 2, bear in mind though I kept my Tytn II for 3 and a half years because nothing else fitted form factor wise. I like the fact my screen tilts and the keyboard is phenomenal. It may be a while after my upgrade date it may not be, not forgetting that by then WP7 Series should have fixed all the alleged release issues such as no multi-tasking and no copy and paste, no side loading 3rd party apps, no full USB connectivity, no sd card loading......the list of faults with WP7 series so far is shocking.

No need to read... I am just gonna vent a little

I was fooling myself that I got great phone, but I am done as of now... windows mobile is a piece of broken, plastered together laggy piece of ****. No miracle ROM is going to change that. I have spent $350 on a piece of garbage. I am waiting for a Iphone 4G and going to buy some more AAPL shares. Thanks to all the Chefs and great community here for at least trying to make this miserable phone work a little bit better.
Good luck everybody
Ex Rhodium owner

How long did you have your device? I know your tired of it but Athine OS ROM may give it a fresh breath.
Why Apple? I mean that Sh*& is SOO locked down! you will likely have to jailbrake it to as much as tether(simular on windows/android but you dont have to boot connected to black box or PC)
And i do sympathize with you about WinMo it is laggy out of the box. myself I enjoy tweaking and learning how it ticks.
However if i may i would like to suggest the evo 4g. its android. people who know know. you know?
my beef with apple is while i like my apple II C i did not pay for it and ill never give them a cent. good luck running flash with Iphone 4g as they pissed off adobe and simply wont support it out of the box.
Now as for Windows Phone 7 thats just garbage! its so sad to see the HD3 coming out with that. poor thing wont be able to multi task or copy/paste!
Now I only use windows on a PC when I absolutely HAVE to other than that im on Linux.
The evo 4g and iphone 4g will debut around the same time (June/2010) and HD3 will come out when it does, i dont remember when.
In summary it cool to have beef with Microsoft but go Linux(Android) first NOT Apple!!
Thats my vent thanks if you read it have a great day

I have had my phone for 9 months. Long enough to express my opinion. Rhodium is great phone, best keyboard I have seen. You said that WinMo is great for tweaking, but I need my phone to work, funny that is has been advertised a business phone.
I don't want to tweak it, I want it to work. I need to take pictures wile on the job, email or MMS them to my partner, listen to streaming music while traveling between the work sites and use calendar. Is it too much to ask ? I have tried to use use iphone for week, it just works, I can do everything... no stress UI just flows, fast responsive, emailing taking pictures and listenig to online radio , everything working right out of the box. Paypal, grooveshark they dont even have applications for WinMo.... this OS is falling into obscurity and they don't want to put their applications on it. I feel like an imbecile that i fell work "business" marketing garbage. I will definitely look into evo 4g, but I am not going back to WinMo. Anybody wants to buy a Rhodium ?

Not that my suggestion will make any difference, but if you want a plain phone that just works throw HTC Sense into the virtual recycle bin...HTC sense is much more for multimedia than business. There are some great WinMo apps that spruce up the basic today screen to give you quick links. You can also try out Titanium, which a lot of people have done some cool UI stuff with.
You can actually download nanoshark, which I believe is a UI to interact with grooveshark. I've also found (not tested) a paypal software for WinMo in one search: http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-paypal-mobile-by-smarttouch.html
At the end of the day, it seems those who throw in the towels have made up their mind day 1. Best of luck w/ your next phone and I really do hope you think twice about over paying and lining apples pocket.

I had same feelings as you...... BUT!!
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I was fooling myself that I got great phone, but I am done as of now... windows mobile is a piece of broken, plastered together laggy piece of ****. No miracle ROM is going to change that. I have spent $350 on a piece of garbage. I am waiting for a Iphone 4G and going to buy some more AAPL shares. Thanks to all the Chefs and great community here for at least trying to make this miserable phone work a little bit better.
Good luck everybody
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I bought my Tilt2 and had it about 6 months and was sick about how it preformed in every way. I taught myself how to flash ROM's by reading forum after forum after forum. Thanks to all the guys on this forum that has made me proud to be an owner of a Tilt2. There are many great ROM's here to try but if you only have time to try just one, please try valkyrie.ftp v6.2.25009TR2.5 you will love your phone. In my area my internet speeds are better than any iPhone I have came across. I take them to mobilespeedtest.com and they are like ... dang man ... now what kind of phone did you say you had. lol Trust me man, b4 you sell your phone or trade it off, try this ROM and let the fun begin ....... been there ..... now loving my Tilt2 .... good luck!!!
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bombastus said:
I was fooling myself that I got great phone, but I am done as of now... windows mobile is a piece of broken, plastered together laggy piece of ****. No miracle ROM is going to change that. I have spent $350 on a piece of garbage. I am waiting for a Iphone 4G and going to buy some more AAPL shares. Thanks to all the Chefs and great community here for at least trying to make this miserable phone work a little bit better.
Good luck everybody
Ex Rhodium owner
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if anything go with the EVO 4g...it blows iphone 4g out da water..plus it has two cams for video conferencing and a 4.3 in. AMOLED capacitive touchscreen with pinch to zoom. plus the new wimax frequencies. or that new dell thunder coming out is looking pretty hot right now.
sorry to hear about ur bad experience with WM. after doing the various fixes and patches, my device NEVER lags on the TF3d UI or while in wm. everything works..can easily do all the stuff u said iphone 4g can do with no problems. fixes/patches meaning: memory leak mod, sd tune up, no push internet, dynamic proxy, deleted bloatware, plus my AtmDng 3d driver helps alot.
im due for an official upgrade from at&t. ima eventually let my girl have this one. i want a bigger screen...lol there are some powerhouse devices about to drop this summer and fall. this rhodium is just my training grounds for future devices. i got this as a warranty replacement for my original kaiser/tilt, since they stop makin them or whatever.. wrked out good for me..lol the phone now is a million times better and faster thn when i took it out the box. Go XDA

The Iphone/ipods are designed that anyone from the age of 3 years to 90 years old can pick it up and just use it. Which is great... BUT when you want to do something with it it wasnt originally intended to do you have to wait for their "official updates" or jailbreak your phone which alot of mac-aholics are nervous about. The great thing I have seen about windows phones is dev's have actually developed ways to get the phones up to par with newer models without having to flash and void warranties. This I realized very quickly when I moved from palm to htc and had my Vogue. I was able to get TF2D working on that before TF2D was even released. Now if you still have the Vogue you can actually have it working as a fully fledged android device!
The Touch Pro and Touch Pro 2 were the same. Right now you don't even need to have to flash a custom rom to get sense 2.5 running anymore. They have that all cabbed up for us (mind you I still flash.) Taking programs from other phones and tweaking them to work on ours seems to work fairly easy as well.
You can't do HALF the things possible with the iphones you can do with even the most basic windows mobile phone. The phone thing I thought the Iphone had that was better then the touch pro was the screen size. However, the display resolution was just garbage. That was quickly fixed with the Touch Pro 2 I would say.
Basically think of the Iphone like an automatic car..... then windows mobile phones are more like standard/stick cars. You have more control over what the "Car" can do and when... you can tweak its performance to better suit whatever your need might be.
If you like the Iphone interface guess what... you can download a skin that mimic's it almost exactly!!!

bombastus said:
Anybody wants to buy a Rhodium ?
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Hey! I do !

The Iphone/ipods are designed that anyone from the age of 3 years to 90 years old can pick it up and just use it. Which is great... BUT when you want to do something with it it wasnt originally intended to do you have to wait for their "official updates" or jailbreak your phone which alot of mac-aholics are nervous about. The great thing I have seen about windows phones is dev's have actually developed ways to get the phones up to par with newer models without having to flash and void warranties. This I realized very quickly when I moved from palm to htc and had my Vogue. I was able to get TF2D working on that before TF2D was even released. Now if you still have the Vogue you can actually have it working as a fully fledged android device!
The Touch Pro and Touch Pro 2 were the same. Right now you don't even need to have to flash a custom rom to get sense 2.5 running anymore. They have that all cabbed up for us (mind you I still flash.) Taking programs from other phones and tweaking them to work on ours seems to work fairly easy as well.
You can't do HALF the things possible with the iphones you can do with even the most basic windows mobile phone. The phone thing I thought the Iphone had that was better then the touch pro was the screen size. However, the display resolution was just garbage. That was quickly fixed with the Touch Pro 2 I would say.
Basically think of the Iphone like an automatic car..... then windows mobile phones are more like standard/stick cars. You have more control over what the "Car" can do and when... you can tweak its performance to better suit whatever your need might be.
If you like the Iphone interface guess what... you can download a skin that mimic's it almost exactly!!!
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good analogy..on wm like a manual/stick
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I know what you mean, execpt for me it is just the opposite. I got my Tilt 2 after I threw my iPhone across the room because you can't do a damn thing with it unless you jailbreak it and then it never is quiet right. I have a Samsung that is goatbreaked and a Motorola that is modded and now I am learning this Windows Mobile stuff. It is fun and most of the stuff I try actually works. Go figure!!! LoL !!! anyway I guess that is my two cents and to each his own. Good luck with your iPhone if it fits your needs. - Take care

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I don't want to tweak it, I want it to work. I need to take pictures wile on the job, email or MMS them to my partner, listen to streaming music while traveling between the work sites and use calendar. Is it too much to ask ?
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All of these things worked just fine for me out of the box on my ATT Tilt2, and that stock ROM has been blasted as the worst, most bloated version.
And what is so hard about taking pictures with the TP2? Its simple and works great. And low-light photos on the iPhone are absolutely aweful on the iPhone. In a side-by-comparison, indoor low light photos on the TP2 blow away the iPhone.
Going from the TP2 to the iPhone is one end of the spectrum to the other. I'll agree that if you don't like to tweak and customize, than the TP2 is probably not for you. And the iPhone is about as customizable as a microwave oven.

goodbye touch pro 2

it seems after a year of having the tp2 its just not for me.
in the 1st week i had it, i had to exchange the handset as it was faulty. since then its been repaired a few times and i had enough. so after a complaint or 2 vodafone have offerd to replace it for a new handset and ive gone for the desire.
i have a feeling that i will miss the slide out qwerty keyboad, but only time will tell.
but im glad that i will be having a phone with a faster processor and one that weighs alot less then the tp2.
i wasnt keen on flashing the rom ect, but i loved the phone because every other ****er i know hasnt got one or seen one before lol
ii would just like to thank everyone that has helped me out with my tp2 when i was after apps and tweeks and maybe you can help me once again when i get the new phone

I've been a loyal WM user for a few years, but the days of WM6 are sunsetting. The Desire is a nice phone, I'd be willing to trade up to that, given an opportunity like yours. Android is a sweet OS to have now, with plenty of apps, customization, and nice hardware. And if flashing ROMs is your thing, have no fear. Android/Desire has plenty of custom ROMs. Just root the thing and flash away!

i havnt a clue if your on a contract or not, have insurance ect, had your phone exchanged before or repaired or not? but it maybe worth calling your network operator to see if they can do anything for you.
I was told this is being done as a good will jesture and wont be done again. and if i dont like the desire then they will not be exchanging it.
depending who ya speak to and what the problems are they may offer you something similar.
i was without my tp2 for 4 weeks just for a software downgrade, the deep scratches on the side of the keyboard was not repaired, and the screen was alot less sensative when it was returned.
and because they dont have the TP2 anymore thaty why i got the desire.
I woulda payed a bit more for the desire Z tbh with the keyboard. i have a feeling that i will miss that lol

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i havnt a clue if your on a contract or not, have insurance ect, had your phone exchanged before or repaired or not? but it maybe worth calling your network operator to see if they can do anything for you.
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Unfortunately, I'm on AT&T in the US. They sold their souls to Apple to gain iPhone exclusivity, and therefore only offer budget priced low-spec Android devices. Even the announced Windows Phone 7 devices coming from ATT look pretty disappointing.
I'll motor on with my trusty TP2/Tilt2 for a while longer. And seeing as I'm only one year into my contract, if anything happens to my phone, or I feel like switching (before I'm eligible for an upgrade), I'll likely seek an unlocked Android phone compatible with ATT's network.

Though I would naturally enjoy a faster processor and more memory, it would take a lot for me to abandon the wonderful size and form factor of the Touch Pro 2. Spacious, but not bulky. Best keyboard in the market, tiltscreen, large and responsive screen... Plus, Sense+Cookie makes for a great user experience and very attractive interface.
I understand your position and I think you made a good choice, given the situation. On the other hand, I have had my TP2 for a couple of months now and it is working like a breeze. I wouldn't change it of anything without a physical qwerty keyboard containing dedicated numerical keys.

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it seems after a year of having the tp2 its just not for me.
in the 1st week i had it, i had to exchange the handset as it was faulty. since then its been repaired a few times and i had enough. so after a complaint or 2 vodafone have offerd to replace it for a new handset and ive gone for the desire.
i have a feeling that i will miss the slide out qwerty keyboad, but only time will tell.
but im glad that i will be having a phone with a faster processor and one that weighs alot less then the tp2.
i wasnt keen on flashing the rom ect, but i loved the phone because every other ****er i know hasnt got one or seen one before lol
ii would just like to thank everyone that has helped me out with my tp2 when i was after apps and tweeks and maybe you can help me once again when i get the new phone
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just bought myself a htc tP2 and the work excellent. i had android in a while, but failed to satisfy my requirements.

Love Mine
I would be hard pressed to get rid of my TP2, I dont care about the bulk. The keyboard, and touch screen response is great, plus in my business, having the confrence speaker setup is the best.
We have 1 other WM6 phone in the houyse, of course hacked, and 2 androids, Rooted, lol. But there screens just dont do it, i like the ability to use a stylis, or a quick touch, the androids just dont have it.

I have had my Rhodium since they were released, never had a single thing go wrong with it (hardware wise) the most Ive done hardware wise is replace the screen protector. I think its a great phone (Although a little underpowered.)

I have my TP2 since it came to the stores... I got it a day or two earlier as one of my friends works in a tel. shop. I still love the phone, the design etc.. The only thing which I don't like is the ROM.. That's why I flashed one of the NRG ROM's on it.
However I think my next phone will be a HTC phone with a full qwerty keyboard and Android on it. Pretty much like the HTC Desire Z.

The TP2 was the best phone I had. In my opionion it's outdated though. I traded my TP2 for a BB Bold 9700 Which I then sold of course, why do I want a blackberry
Then I bought a broken Desire and fixed it
With Swype, I almost don't miss the hardware keys

i started using my desire yesternight, havnt had time to set it up yet. i do miss some of the features that the tp2 has but do like having a faster phone without any flashing, and less bulk in my pockets. i forgot i had a phone in my pocket today tbh. lol

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i started using my desire yesternight, havnt had time to set it up yet. i do miss some of the features that the tp2 has but do like having a faster phone without any flashing, and less bulk in my pockets. i forgot i had a phone in my pocket today tbh. lol
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Im guessing that within three months you start flashing again After a while you want the Desire HD sense version. And after that you want Android 3.0

lol ya never know
btw if anyones interested i will shortly be selling the zagg invisible shield i had recently purchased and 2 brand new oem htc stylus pens and a non oem brand new headset and an oem headsets that again is brand new lol

the stuff i have for sale can now be found here.