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Ok, now the the 1 Million Dollar question. I'm thinking of my HTC Nike an the whole htcclassaction Issue.
I know the Desire has an 600 MHz DSP for decoding 720p video. I know Qualcomm states that the Snapdragon does have "High-performance 3D graphics – up to 22M triangles/sec and 133M 3D pixels/sec".
I know Android 2.1 supports OpenGL ES 2.
But does the Desire have an own GPU for 3D, Graphics and GUI like the Iphone (no, I don't like the Iphone) or does it run things like Android GUI or 3D in Software?
I'm planning to buy a Desire next week, but if HTC misses again, it would be an huge point against the Desire (at least for me).
Nope its all part of the Snapdragon CPU its not a separate GPU like the iPhone, Droid or Nokia N900.
The Snapdragon can't match the OMAP 3460 in 3D performance unfortunately. Thankfully for us though, snapdragon android phones are WAY more numerous than OMAP phones so most games will be optimized for the Snapdragon
Wow, that really sucks. So i think i will wait until there is a smartphone with Tegra or maybe Tegra 2. But thanks for you reply.
If you want pure (graphics) performance you should skip qualcomm-enabled devices.
See video comparison (ToonWarz)
HTC Desire (qualcom snapdragon 1ghz + Adreno 200 GPU)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVzkank7iOw
Motorola Milestone (ARM Cortex 8 550Mhz + PowerVR GPU) - min 4:23
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mn-XaaQXIxw
You can wait till Samsung Galaxy S and see how it performs.. even if i hate samsung custom UI and all iphone copying stuff
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Another example (Asphalt 5)
- Motorola Milestone: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUlsfP38lSM
- HTC Desire: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIEwlL73utM
As you can see the performance is better in good old Motorola Milestone.
In general, you can skip HTC cos' they always use the cheapest piece of hardware. And that's not only related to SoC (CPU, GPU) but also related to display (see the multitouch bug, a lot of videos there - Motorola Milestone doesn't suffer for this). The things I will mis about HTC are the Sense UI and trackball. Otherwise, screw htc.
OK, now I'm a little confused. So the Desire does have a GPU (Adreno 200)? And I was looking at benchmarks in youtube (I cannot post links, so search for "Motorola Milestone/Nexus One - Neocore Benchmark") where Milestone gets 20,6 fps and Desire 26,3 fps.
But I fear that again HTC misses to hardware accelerate the GUI.
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OK, now I'm a little confused. So the Desire does have a GPU (Adreno 200)? And I was looking at benchmarks in youtube (I cannot post links, so search for "Motorola Milestone/Nexus One - Neocore Benchmark") where Milestone gets 20,6 fps and Desire 26,3 fps.
But I fear that again HTC misses to hardware accelerate the GUI.
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Neocore is Qualcomm optimized so it will always outperform the Milestone. In raw 3d power, the milestone can perform better.
Hm, I think I will wait for the Samsung Galaxy S.
Galaxy s is samsung... and this mean it sux. They have no care about fixing buggs, look at omnia 2, since june last year, no one upgrade, i have a bug that i cant send message to some number in my phone. And a lot of.. They do not optimize phone. They sell you one, that's it. You are alone now. Good luck with samsung, my f.....g samsung is still waitng to be repaired, 3 month in support assistant mean for me never get 1 only things that have samsung writed
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Hm, I think I will wait for the Samsung Galaxy S.
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I wouldn't bother.
Developers back the majority and the majority is Snapdragon powered phones, not OMAP and not whatever chip Samsung is using.
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Galaxy s is samsung... and this mean it sux. They have no care about fixing buggs, look at omnia 2, since june last year, no one upgrade, i have a bug that i cant send message to some number in my phone. And a lot of.. They do not optimize phone. They sell you one, that's it. You are alone now. Good luck with samsung, my f.....g samsung is still waitng to be repaired, 3 month in support assistant mean for me never get 1 only things that have samsung writed
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You talk like as htc does care.. well, for your information htc doesn't really care. just if you look back in past you'll see. yes, i'm a dissapointed htc hero user cos their lack of interest in this device (they announced an update for hero last year in december if i'm not wrong... nothing we received). before hero i had a touch pro. the most expensive piece of **** i bought. laggy, full of bugs & so on.
let's not generalize that samsung is crap.. maybe you've got a faulty device. i've seen on forums many omnia happy users.
ah.. and i cannot comment the part of your phone in service.. maybe got lost somewhere.. hmm
abc27 if Samsung Galaxy S is top notch in reality i doubt it will be unsuccessfull. let's wait and see
grr, if the galaxy s had an trackball
competition is realy good in Android world. i'm sick and tired of htc monopoly
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You talk like as htc does care.. well, for your information htc doesn't really care. just if you look back in past you'll see. yes, i'm a dissapointed htc hero user cos their lack of interest in this device (they announced an update for hero last year in december if i'm not wrong... nothing we received). before hero i had a touch pro. the most expensive piece of **** i bought. laggy, full of bugs & so on.
let's not generalize that samsung is crap.. maybe you've got a faulty device. i've seen on forums many omnia happy users.
ah.. and i cannot comment the part of your phone in service.. maybe got lost somewhere.. hmm
abc27 if Samsung Galaxy S is top notch in reality i doubt it will be unsuccessfull. let's wait and see
grr, if the galaxy s had an trackball
competition is realy good in Android world. i'm sick and tired of htc monopoly
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Samsung make great TVs but sadly that's pretty much all they're good at making. It doesn't matter if you have a superphone with a 3GHz quad core processor and dual graphics cards. If it's not a popular CPU/GPU platform then nothing will be developed to use that power and nothing will be optimized for it.
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Nope its all part of the Snapdragon CPU its not a separate GPU like the iPhone, Droid or Nokia N900.
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Sorry, but this is incorrect.
Both the Snapdragon processor (Qualcomm) in the Desire, and the OMAP processor (TI) in the iPhone/Droid have integrated GPUs as part of the SoC (system on a chip).
However, the PowerVR GPU in the TI processor is more capable than the Imageon GPU in the Qualcomm.
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Before I bought the Desire, I knew that it wont do better in games then IPhone but then again I have a PSP for mobile gaming which is better then IPhone. If I really wanted touchscreen games I would just buy a DS.
Nekromantik said:
Before I bought the Desire, I knew that it wont do better in games then IPhone but then again I have a PSP for mobile gaming which is better then IPhone. If I really wanted touchscreen games I would just buy a DS.
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Sony (NOT SONY ERICSSON) are apparently planning on releasing a PSP phone sometime late 2010 or early 2011 from a few unconfirmed reports. That sounds like it would be a beast of a phone. I'd imagine Sony would just have the PSP OS running alongside Android or maybe they're developing a proprietary OS that runs PSP games as well as functions as a phone.
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Samsung make great TVs but sadly that's pretty much all they're good at making. It doesn't matter if you have a superphone with a 3GHz quad core processor and dual graphics cards. If it's not a popular CPU/GPU platform then nothing will be developed to use that power and nothing will be optimized for it.
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Games, in general, are using OpenGL which is standard. Qualcomm Snapdragon is similar to ARM Cortex A8: FPU, NEON etc. (see http://www.dspdesignline.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=204700527 )
So I'm sure that a game optimized for snapdragons will work (if not better) also on a powerVR/arm cortex a8 solution.
Many cool games are available for Android and upcoming.
Unfortunately HTC is using the cheap SoC from qualcomm so due the poor GPU the games aren't running smothly.
You can see here a comparison of Gangstar West Coast Hustle
- Nexus One (same hardware as Desire)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOZtM6YK9zo
- Motorola Milestone
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUJwONg9UP0
As you can see the game runs way better in good old Motorola Milestone. And that's not the most powerful GPU on the mobile world.
And here you can see the Samsung Galaxy S in action:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ4N7QAlHd4
Clearly I will not get a HTC+Qualcomm SoC (this combination) again. GG competition.
+ Those phones are not affected of the multitouch bug that is present on so many HTC devices (and many htc devices are dual touch).
htc = cheap capacitive layer, cheap soc => expensive device. does it deserve this? actually they are smart.. using cheap hardware and sell the device overpriced.
@abc27 actually HTC (also Apple on their iPhone) is using many components from Samsung, for eg: displays, ram modules... Samsung it's a top semiconductors company.. So Samsung is not a cheap company. But I have to agree, their software customizations are awful
My older thread didn't help me much and this might help me more because now, i'm going to buy a phone within this week but i'm thinking of buying Wave, because of it's 1 ghz cortex a8 processor and GPu PowerVR sgx 540 which is proven to be the fastest among single core processors (not including tegra). To be hoenst, PowerVR sgx 540 performs just like tegra 2 GPU and is more or less the same GPU used in iphone 4.
Question is, which one to buy? keeping in mind that android is comming to wave sooner or later, what do you guys say? do you think android would work on wave (dual boot) so that the bada OS is also secured. Now my options are:
-LG optimus one (around 170$)(wifi is b/g only)
-Samsung wave (Around 299$)
-Samsung galaxy ace (349$)
-Samsung galaxy mini (around 179$)
These are the only phones i want to choose from because others are either expensive or useless (not android). I don't think that galaxy ace would be a very good choice despite the fact that it has no flash support (decreases 50% surfing on internet). About wave is that, bada sucks for now as there aren't cool widgets, apps available. About Optimus One, it is cheap, which is a good thing but the pixels are way too low and it runs a 600mhz processor which cannot run at least 50% of the good games without lag.
Now i can only trust you guys to help me as this will allow me to choose my phone and i really want some good suggestions. Thanks a lot in advance
> Bada Software and Hacking General (No noobs here)
> Asking advice about buy a Samsung Wave
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> Bada Software and Hacking General (No noobs here)
> Asking advice about buy a Samsung Wave
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Sorry i didn't understand what you mean by "nope.avi" and tbh you seem like a noob to me and yet you're making a useless post
It's too bad that there's no Q & A section for bada or i could've made a thread there :/
keeping in mind that android is comming to wave sooner or later
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If you wish Android on Wave (II) you need to wait... long, loooonger, very loooooooooooooooong.
So the answer is later. Much later.
If you can't wait. Then your first choice should be an Android handset.
And yes, sorry. Its very hard to answer as normally we are in Software&Hacking section of XDA...
And this is your second try and buy Thread.
Best Regards
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shad0wboss
If you wish Android on Wave (II) you need to wait... long, loooonger, very loooooooooooooooong.
So the answer is later. Much later.
If you can't wait. Then your first choice should be an Android handset.
And yes, sorry. Its very hard to answer as normally we are in Software&Hacking section of XDA...
And this is your second try and buy Thread.
Best Regards
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Thanks for your reply, also the project you're working on, does it apply to wave II as well or only for Wave?
Android project is at very very early stadium.
Pre pre Alpha... and oleg_k is the only person who have seen Android on his Wave. NO ONE else.
I have no idea when second person can confirm running Android on Wave.
oleg_k uses additional Hardware called JTAG.
Costs around 200 Euro... see here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=898996
We all have to wait. Maybe weeks, maybe months...
Best Regards
Currently all android ports being worked on are for wave I. So if you are buying waveII, you will have to wait much longer.
Now on your opinion to buy a handset,
1)Do not buy wave in the hope of getting android in it later or sooner. We don't know all the problems we might face after loading android onto our phones. So if you want Android, go for galaxy ace.
2)Bada has a scope of improvement and you can see its progres by taking a look at the app store. Every week some new good games are coming, either ports or original stuff. Now Bada has apps like Fruit Ninja, Plants vs. Zombies, Doodle Jump and many other games which people were longing to see on the samsung app store. Eventually, more apps will arrive. But don't buy Wave if your only interest is apps and widgets. If you can give bada some time, then you can go on to buy the wave.
3)And if you are looking for a rock solid hardware, go for Wave! Wave's hardware can't be matched by any other single core phones for now. The wave in fact has a better gpu than Iphone 4. So Wave is the best bet for your budget. Also the screen quality and Multimedia experience is really amazing. Also its out of the box ability to play almost all of the video formats including Divx HD and Xvid along with subtitles will make you want to buy the Wave. Remember that currently Bada has few problems in properly utilizing the RAM. So you might get memory errors sometimes even though it has more than 512 MB of ram on it. I don't know if the memory issues have been solved on Wave II or not but atleast Wave currently faces this problem.
So now you are left to your choice. My personal recommendation is the Wave! I am saying this after using an Iphone 4(Which got stolen ), an HTC Desire and now my beloved Wave!
My opinion is go with wave because it has wonderful design and no other samsung phones has better design like wave. also bada 2.0 looks more promising..
Maybe we can get android on wave within weeks but it will be pre alpha version and you cant expect all functionalities work and maybe few functionalities will never work.
Multimedia side wave rocks. but if you interested in apps then go for android device..Now your choice
scout for a dual processor
Got Wave II for some days. The biggest problem is lack of apps for bada, which is semi rapidly fixed, samsung is spending alot of cash into its development, so it is getting better month by month (comparing bada 1.0 to 1.2 for eg.).
It has got very powerful CPU and GPU, but haven't seen yet a game that uses more than like 30% of its power, but if you don't mind about games and weird apps like remote sattelite controllers which for sure can be found for Android. If you only want to have smoothly running device with some gadgets - I do recommend it.
astrotom said:
Currently all android ports being worked on are for wave I. So if you are buying waveII, you will have to wait much longer.
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As far as I know Wave II is the same hardware as Wave I, except the LCD display. So port for Wave I = port for Wave II with abit different LCD driver.
Rebellos said:
Got Wave II for some days. The biggest problem is lack of apps for bada, which is semi rapidly fixed, samsung is spending alot of cash into its development, so it is getting better month by month (comparing bada 1.0 to 1.2 for eg.).
It has got very powerful CPU and GPU, but haven't seen yet a game that uses more than like 30% of its power, but if you don't mind about games and weird apps like remote sattelite controllers which for sure can be found for Android. If you only want to have smoothly running device with some gadgets - I do recommend it.
As far as I know Wave II is the same hardware as Wave I, except the LCD display. So port for Wave I = port for Wave II with abit different LCD driver.
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The hardware might seem equal from outside but there are many internal differences. The main feature still remain the same. If wave II = wave I, then 1.2 update would be available to wave I users as soon as wave II was released. But that is not the case. Wave II use different boot loaders and firmware files. So please read through the forum before to get more info.
ive read that sony are thinking about making more high end andoird devices Playstation certified? Could they?
From what I gather, the "Playstation Certified" certification is to be expanded, though the lack of PSOne titles being released suggests they may be slowing up.
In the UK, there is a consensus that the launch of the Xperia Play was a bit of a flop which seems to be why it's been possible to get it relatively easily for less than £200 here which might lend to idea that there won't be a 'sequel'.
The last i heard on the subject, SE thought the Play still had plenty of mileage left in it so they were looking to support that for longer instead of doing Play 2 already
Verizon Wireless in the states is already trying to get rid of it's stock, $49.99 with 2 year contract, came out at $200 with a contract. They are discontinuing it due to lack of sales. Problem was on TV they were advertising the Droid 3, On Hulu they were doing the same advertisement for the Xperia Play.
My only complaint about the Xperia is lack of CDMA development and it's poor amount of on board memory.
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From what I gather, the "Playstation Certified" certification is to be expanded, though the lack of PSOne titles being released suggests they may be slowing up.
In the UK, there is a consensus that the launch of the Xperia Play was a bit of a flop which seems to be why it's been possible to get it relatively easily for less than £200 here which might lend to idea that there won't be a 'sequel'.
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well, i had another theory, yes, the play didn't sell well in the UK/elsewhere, but i think its being heavily discounted/discontinued now because a play 2 is coming and now that there is no sony ericsson, sony will probably want to integrate a PSP into a phone rather then whatever the play was supposed to be
also, look at most android phones, most of them have sequels, even the unsuccessful ones
the possibilities of a true PSP phone are to great for sony to just abandon the idea now, especially after SE's half assed attempt
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Verizon Wireless in the states is already trying to get rid of it's stock, $49.99 with 2 year contract, came out at $200 with a contract. They are discontinuing it due to lack of sales. Problem was on TV they were advertising the Droid 3, On Hulu they were doing the same advertisement for the Xperia Play.
My only complaint about the Xperia is lack of CDMA development and it's poor amount of on board memory.
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When I got mine like 3 months ago the guy at the verizon store was shocked I asked for it, had 1 in stock, and almost asked me if I was on crack for even wanting it.
Meanwhile its the best 50 bucks I ever spent.
Well remember the recent news that Sony has purchased the other half of Sony Ericsson. Sony Ericsson said they don't plan on launching an Xperia Play 2 soon but now that Sony is 100% in charge, I expect something big.
I mean the Xperia Play was outdated on launch. The only thing it had going for it was the gamepad (and dual speakers )
I want a dual core or quad core Xperia Play and I am expecting one to come out next year.
Rogue Leader said:
When I got mine like 3 months ago the guy at the verizon store was shocked I asked for it, had 1 in stock, and almost asked me if I was on crack for even wanting it.
Meanwhile its the best 50 bucks I ever spent.
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Every time I call verizon the tech on the phone always asks me If I like my xperia play, Ive had maybe 3 months now and I woulda thought they just stop asking about it, maybe there checking Im not dis-pleased , nonetheless I paid 72$ and cant complain.. playing final fantasy 7 on my phone is priceless
Yeah i heard about sony buying out Sony Ericsson, would like it if they did release a sequel or something to sort themselves out
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Well remember the recent news that Sony has purchased the other half of Sony Ericsson. Sony Ericsson said they don't plan on launching an Xperia Play 2 soon but now that Sony is 100% in charge, I expect something big.
I mean the Xperia Play was outdated on launch. The only thing it had going for it was the gamepad (and dual speakers )
I want a dual core or quad core Xperia Play and I am expecting one to come out next year.
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You really need to stop jumping on the dual core wagon! Neither android nor any applications are optimised for dual core CPU's, meaning even with the extra power there is no performance increase
I always wanted a portable emu. Xplay will be used by me for many years to come. The fact that i can make a phone call, sms, go on the internet, and take pic/video with it is just gravy. Imho this is the best device i have ever owned.
AndroHero said:
You really need to stop jumping on the dual core wagon! Neither android nor any applications are optimised for dual core CPU's, meaning even with the extra power there is no performance increase
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QFT I went from an Atrix (1.3ghz OC) to the XP and I can tell you as far as speed there is no difference. I would like to have a little more ram in the XP but it's not a big deal. When I get rid of the XP I hope there's a XP2 or something because I'll go through serious withdraws.
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I agree, dual ccore on a phone is currently a marketing scam. What good is a second core if it cant be used?
Maybe a few years from now there will be a dual core capable os but right now there isnt.
On top of that when there is all current dual core phones will be long discontinued
If you got a phone becuase its dual core just call yourself a sucker
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I agree, dual ccore on a phone is currently a marketing scam. What good is a second core if it cant be used?
Maybe a few years from now there will be a dual core capable os but right now there isnt.
On top of that when there is all current dual core phones will be long discontinued
If you got a phone becuase its dual core just call yourself a sucker
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I understand that but most new developers are only releasing their games on what they call "Powerful dual core devices"
The Xperia Play is the only device that could fully use dual core because it is a real gaming phone. I'm really surprised that it wasn't more powerful. I meant at least put in that 1.4ghz processor in the ARC S. The whole Xperia Line should have launched with that processor.
Sonys ps certification announcement meant they will start licensing PS certified to other manufacturers so that they can expand their market. I'm thinking they want to eventually certify it to all android phones. It doesn't necessarily need a playpad for sony to certify it.
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You really need to stop jumping on the dual core wagon! Neither android nor any applications are optimised for dual core CPU's, meaning even with the extra power there is no performance increase
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Agreed. However if we are talking about a possible late 2012 release for the 'play 2' then can we assume there will have been more development put into the dual/quad core apps/os etc.? Especially with devices like the transformer prime coming soon, the quad cores are sure to implemented in phones next year.
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Agreed. However if we are talking about a possible late 2012 release for the 'play 2' then can we assume there will have been more development put into the dual/quad core apps/os etc.? Especially with devices like the transformer prime coming soon, the quad cores are sure to implemented in phones next year.
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Understood and agreed, but my comment was aimed at the fact that some people think the play is underpowered for the current generation of mobile, but the fact is although on paper the play is nothing special. The way android is atm and thanks to a couple of tricks by sony like dual channel ram, the play gamewise can hold it's own with any of the current generation of mobile, including dual core phones like the atrix
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I agree, dual ccore on a phone is currently a marketing scam. What good is a second core if it cant be used?
Maybe a few years from now there will be a dual core capable os but right now there isnt.
On top of that when there is all current dual core phones will be long discontinued
If you got a phone becuase its dual core just call yourself a sucker
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Afaik ICS will be optimised for dual core phones, Thats pretty obvious as the Galaxy Nexus (The official google developer phone for ICS) will be a dual core device
If they make a new device, Sony needs to implement actual analog sticks, not these touch pads. It would truly utilize the potential of a gaming phone and be commercially acceptable to everyone who doesn't want to deal with touch pads, especially the FPS loving crowd. The ONLY other thing I really wish the Xplay had was physical analog sticks (something like the PSP, or what the Vita will have). Sony needs to learn how to make the sticks pop out when the phone slides up. THAT would be wicked righteous amirite???
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Understood and agreed, but my comment was aimed at the fact that some people think the play is underpowered for the current generation of mobile, but the fact is although on paper the play is nothing special. The way android is atm and thanks to a couple of tricks by sony like dual channel ram, the play gamewise can hold it's own with any of the current generation of mobile, including dual core phones like the atrix
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Afaik ICS will be optimised for dual core phones, Thats pretty obvious as the Galaxy Nexus (The official google developer phone for ICS) will be a dual core device
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ICS may be more optimized for dual core phones, unfortunately apps still won't be so I don't think everyone is going to see the improvement they're expecting. Heck there really aren't even many multi core apps for computers besides some games and graphic design programs. Just my .02
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Pretty much true yes. With ICS dual-core support will be supported as far as I know. But then it's also up to the develeper to add support for it in the app I belive?
I really notice no difference in speed on things when using my Play or my work buddies Samsung Galaxy SII. I need no dual-core that sucks more battery.
Are there any advantages to using chainfire 3d pro and selecting the nvidia driver compared to just everyhing stock?
I know certain games require the nvidia driver (such as riptide) but aside from that, are there potentially any improvements one could see on regular use?
I'm trying to figure out if there might be ways to improve overall device functionality with the nvidia drivers vs. stock.
Thanks,
RR
Considering our GPU has functionality the Tegra 2 lacks, I suspect it would only limit us. Any rare apps actually designed to make use of our Mali GPU would forego those functions and performance would be reduced.
But that's mere conjecture on my part. It's also possible it would unlock new performance in games that weren't optimized for us and automatically default to a lower-spec mode if they don't see a Tegra. It's really a crapshoot.
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Considering our GPU has functionality the Tegra 2 lacks, I suspect it would only limit us. Any rare apps actually designed to make use of our Mali GPU would forego those functions and performance would be reduced.
But that's mere conjecture on my part. It's also possible it would unlock new performance in games that weren't optimized for us and automatically default to a lower-spec mode if they don't see a Tegra. It's really a crapshoot.
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I see.
So, I noticed there are per app settings within chainfire... Assuming I wanted to play a game (riptide) that needed Tegra, could i set that game in chainfire to only use the nvidia driver, then all other apps/functions would use stock?
After further research it seems they released a version of riptide in the market that's S2 compatible so this might be a mute point.
-RR
i was seriously considering getting the pro version of chainfire so i could play tegra specific games. but like you said, many apps are being converted to all phones. it also occurred to me, what kind of developer is going to limit themselves to only 50% of possible business? either nvidia will have to subsidize the devs so they stay tegra specific and drive THOSE devices, or the dev will alter it to work with all high end processors. i think ill just wait until for the devs to make it for my phone. my two cents
Ok, so I just ordered a Mi Max 128GB/4GB for Black Friday (from geekbuying) and was wondering if this device can actually support OpenGL ES 3.2, and I am asking if it can support it hardware-wise cause I know it won't work on android <7.0, so anyone know?
Adreno 5xx series GPU's have full support for EGL 3.2 with Android extension along with Vulkan support. So it's expected that they will be supported in Android 7~7.1.
Edit: & Android 7.0.1 is definitely coming (probably early next year in stable update):
http://en.miui.com/thread-420161-1-1.html
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Adreno 5xx series GPU's have full support for EGL 3.2 with Android extension along with Vulkan support. So it's expected that they will be supported in Android 7~7.1.
Edit: & Android 7.0.1 is definitely coming (probably early next year in stable update):
http://en.miui.com/thread-420161-1-1.html
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Thank you, that's what I was expecting as well but even on Qualcomm's site the specs of the 510 are not clearly stated, also good to know we will in fact get 7.0.1 (although I plan to stay away from MIUI).
This should mean we might even be able to get at least somewhat decent Wii&GC emulation on this device in the future which is pretty exciting for me since there are still a lot of games I bought and never got around to finishing or even playing.
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Thank you, that's what I was expecting as well but even on Qualcomm's site the specs of the 510 are not clearly stated, also good to know we will in fact get 7.0.1 (although I plan to stay away from MIUI).
This should mean we might even be able to get at least somewhat decent Wii&GC emulation on this device in the future which is pretty exciting for me since there are still a lot of games I bought and never got around to finishing or even playing.
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Don't have to high hopes that Dolphine emulator will fly on Adreno 510, the driver's especially sheder compiler are far cry from anything good also hardware capabilities (EGLS 3.2, Testilation engine & Vulkan compatibility) don't count much without proper & good driver's support. On the current Android gaming scene A510 is wonderful but it won't shy with Dolphine (nothing will, best behaviour you will have with New Rogue series [Imagination Technology] but their is no any newer SoC for Android with it we will see how will MTK X30 behave 2Q next year).
Edit: By the way this whose a best deal for it when I searched wanting to buy a full prime one in the mean time I decided not to go with it & instead both a 3/32GB S650 version in land where I live. But search again me by you can find a better deal.
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Best regards.
Zola III said:
Don't have to high hopes that Dolphine emulator will fly on Adreno 510, the driver's especially sheder compiler are far cry from anything good also hardware capabilities (EGLS 3.2, Testilation engine & Vulkan compatibility) don't count much without proper & good driver's support. On the current Android gaming scene A510 is wonderful but it won't shy with Dolphine (nothing will, best behaviour you will have with New Rogue series [Imagination Technology] but their is no any newer SoC for Android with it we will see how will MTK X30 behave 2Q next year).
Edit: By the way this whose a best deal for it when I searched wanting to buy a full prime one in the mean time I decided not to go with it & instead both a 3/32GB S650 version in land where I live. But search again me by you can find a better deal.
https://toponedigital.aliexpress.com/store/group/Xiaomi-MAX/342812_507286278.html
Best regards.
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I did not say it would fly but it would have at least somewhat decent performance which for me means playable, especially since most of the games I want to play are for GC not Wii and are RPG games (except perhaps the Sonic Adventure games but I can play the DC version of those if the performance is too bad), the only few Wii games I would like to play would anyway not be practical (if possible at all) because they use the huge mess that the Wiimote is (mainly Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World).
Plus I have seen Snapdragon 808 with the 7.0 dev preview (OpenGL ES 3.2 supported) running Dolphin quite well and even with lower performance that would be enough for me.
Either way I would probably end up starting the games and not finishing them for a long time as I keep doing, start them while traveling and then too busy with College and stuff to finish them and then start an other game (like I did with 7th Dragon 3 on my 3DS, Tales of Eternia for PSP and countless others) but it would still be nice to know I at least have the possibility of playing those games on the go.
Well A518 can all A418 on S808 can & probably a little more in time when drivers support all capabilities along with games/emus. Then that is settled its enough for you & it is a pleasurable experience to play on such a large display.
Best regards.