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Ok this might seem like a total noob question, but please bare with me for a quick sec...
I have a stock 6.5/2.1 TP2 and I somehow ran completely out of internal memory! I couldn't even receive texts. I know I have lots and lots of text messages, about 1000 contacts, and a few emails on my phone, but I have NO media whatsoever stored on the phone. In fact, I only have a couple visible files on the phone that are larger than 1MB. I did delete a bunch of visual voicemails and that got me about 10MB back. I ran a level 3 Clean Ram, message purge, soft reset, all that jazz but I still have less than 11MB left. Where is all my storage space going?!
Anyhoo I did install some programs to my internal memory, but can someone tell me if there's a way to tell which programs are installed to your phone memory and which are installed to your external storage??? That was really my question
U can use "Installed programs" option in SK Tools.
You can check the "\storage card\program files\" folder, and see what's in there; that's the location where programs end up, if they are installed to the storage card.
ridolfo said:
You can check the "\storage card\program files\" folder, and see what's in there; that's the location where programs end up, if they are installed to the storage card.
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darkic said:
U can use "Installed programs" option in SK Tools.
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Thanks guys. I appreciate it!
when installing a program, it should ask you where you would want to install a program, on the device or on your memory card. Install on yoour memory card in order to leave your internal memory available.
dont forget to clear out cache in opera or IE because that takes chunks of internal memory out
marduk79 said:
when installing a program, it should ask you where you would want to install a program, on the device or on your memory card. Install on yoour memory card in order to leave your internal memory available.
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Not allways, some programs bz default installs at internal memory, and some programs are recommanded to install at internal memory......
XERO_Racer said:
dont forget to clear out cache in opera or IE because that takes chunks of internal memory out
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Good idea. I didn't even think of that. I do it all the time for my desktop browser but it never occurred to me to do it on my phone. I cleared my Opera cache and got about 30MB back!
That should hold me over for awhile, at least until I flash my next rom I use my internal memory mostly just for PIM and important apps like Opera.
I remember awhile back, a guy wrote a program that automatically deleted bloatware from stock AT&T rom's. I searched and to my knowledge no one has done the same for T-Mobile or other rom's. Does anyone know of such a program or a method of deleting apps that won't show up in uninstall menus?
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Not allways, some programs bz default installs at internal memory, and some programs are recommanded to install at internal memory......
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Thank you for the correction.
a2002cmacg said:
Good idea. I didn't even think of that. I do it all the time for my desktop browser but it never occurred to me to do it on my phone. I cleared my Opera cache and got about 30MB back!
That should hold me over for awhile, at least until I flash my next rom I use my internal memory mostly just for PIM and important apps like Opera.
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There are advanced settings in Opera that allow one to set the cache to the storage card. Do a search.
I have a htc rhodium 210(t-mobile branded) and i am running the latest xdandroid froyo (as of a few days ago) And iv been gettn a low phone storage space alert in my status bar asking me to uninstall apps wenever i install a new one. Also if i receive messages while this alert is there they are delete due to 'lack of storage' But when i open appmonster to uninstall some apps im told i have used only memory:24mb/247mb SD:1.991/7.560mb and im using an 8gb micro sd which is less than half full so storage shouldnt be a problem?
Any ideas and why im gettn this warning and is there any way to stop it? because i dont have a huge amount of apps and i shouldnt have to keep uninstalling decent apps when i should have enough storage.
tanks in advance
This has been answered several times before...
The data.img file is only 256mb. If you want a bigger one, you have to either expand the file yourself or modify the rootfs so it builds a larger data.img.
For most, 256mb is plenty. Lots of people don't even come close to using that much, plus if the users card was only 512mb, creating a 512mb data.img on boot would be a problem.
Ok tanx, sry if this sounds like a noobish question but how can i expand my data.img file? without creating a new one.
but wait i dont even need a bigger data.img file because it shouldnt be full. It says im only using 24mb outta the 256. And yet it still says low storage and rejects my messages?
Huh... I don't know. I've never had it reject my messages before, or give me that error message.
May want to try the typical troubleshooting crap. Delete (move, rename) data.img, delete everything & start with a fresh build, format SD & start completely over - in that order.
yeah iv tried that, id say my best bet would be to expand the data.img file do you kno any way to do this?
Jandyman said:
yeah iv tried that, id say my best bet would be to expand the data.img file do you kno any way to do this?
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Either you can expand it manually or modify the rootfs to create a larger one for you.
how can i edit the img files? i have vista and no way of opinging these files. Iv heard you need linux.
Jandyman said:
how can i edit the img files? i have vista and no way of opinging these files. Iv heard you need linux.
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Yes. Virtual machine to the rescue!
Try cachemate picced up 8mb
Sent from my MSM using XDA App
tanx for the help, iv searced and found no program capable of simply editing the file and saving it bigger so il try my hand at using virtual machine, or a friends netbook running ubuntu to do so. But having little or no knowledge of the layout or coding an whatnot in the files it will probly take some more time and searching to figure out.
also i am now using cachemate also, it doesnt solve my problems but its handy app nonetheless for quick freeing up wen im browsing and get the low storage message.
.. is there a way to make the data.img bigger directly on the PDA? may be with the total commander?
THX
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_cv said:
.. is there a way to make the data.img bigger directly on the PDA? may be with the total commander?
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Did you think I was joking when I outlined the two methods required to expand the file...?
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Did you think I was joking when I outlined the two methods required to expand the file...?
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sorry, but i thought that there are more solutions and you are talking about two of them.
OK, i understand there is no way on my PDA to make the data.img bigger.
grz
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If you want to make the data.img file bigger than 256mb, I suggest you to use Neopeek's build. It is totally a different setup since neopeek's doesn't use the data.img file. If you want to have more storage, you are gonna have to make the ext2 partition a little bit more bigger using GParted Live, max is 512mb. Right now I have my ext2 partition to 495mb and I have more than 30 app's installed and I haven't gotten one of those messages you get.
Found a post where a guy setup a 4gb data.img...
Here
1 GB rootfs
Here is my modded rootfs.img i use to create a 1GB data.img. Use it will create a 1GB data.img. its only a few days old, but after the data.img is created you can raplace it with the new up-to-date rootfs.img. Hope this works for ya
Note: you must create a fresh Data.img for it to work.
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Here is my modded rootfs.img i use to create a 1GB data.img. Use it will create a 1GB data.img. its only a few days old, but after the data.img is created you can raplace it with the new up-to-date rootfs.img. Hope this works for ya
Note: you must create a fresh Data.img for it to work.
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Awesome dude I was hoping someone would post a 1gb one All I could find was that 4gb one haha! Now peoples have choices!
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Awesome dude I was hoping someone would post a 1gb one All I could find was that 4gb one haha! Now peoples have choices!
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haha yea no problem 4GB its alot specially if u only have a few GBs on the SDcard lol, i did a 512mb but my girl downloads 2 many apps lol wasn't enough lol,
devilcuban said:
Here is my modded rootfs.img i use to create a 1GB data.img. Use it will create a 1GB data.img. its only a few days old, but after the data.img is created you can raplace it with the new up-to-date rootfs.img. Hope this works for ya
Note: you must create a fresh Data.img for it to work.
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So. I just have to delete my data.img. and my rootfs.img. and replace it with yours (rootfs.img)?
sprint htc touch pro 2 (rhod400)
I have installed pre-Alpha version of Android on my Wave. I was touching the different options and trying to install Angry Birds among other apps. I plugged my Wave (in Android mode) to USB port. Android says that charging will be disabled due to warm or cold battery bla bla bla, etc, I click accept and I set the "Massive Storage" option. What's the matter? A window hit my Windows screen and I open the storage card... Ok, card isn't SD card, is Bada internal Memory. I have to clarify that when you unplug the usb cable and go to My archives in Android, the SD card that Android recognises isn't the SD one (external memory). Instead of that, it mounts Wave internal memory (Bada memory), with their folders and config files (like CSC, etc). When you reboot Android, everything becomes normal, and the system mounts SD card (unless you go to massive storage mode again). Here some photos:
I don't know in what can it helps. I figure that this makes OS customizing more flexible and easy. Neither do I know if this help to the port.
Please, guys (Rebellos, Nbates, ShadowAS, Adfree, etc) take a look and post your impressions if you see this useful.
Regards!
Not very useful for Android porting, but if these are writable, may be useful for bada modders.
Rebellos said:
Not very useful for Android porting, but if these are writable, may be useful for bada modders.
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I din't try to delete any file, but you can create folders and paste files. Then, i sure you can modify all the files.
those aren't bada internal files for sure
i saw them before and think they are for Android also
i know all bada internal files after doing a lot of modeing on the Arabic firmwares
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those aren't bada internal files for sure
i saw them before and think they are for Android also
i know all bada internal files after doing a lot of modeing on the Arabic firmwares
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I can move through CSC files of each region, stock wallpapers, on & off sound, etc... All the files you can modify within Stune. You can delete them, or create a new one. And I am speaking about Bada internal memory, I don't know if are all the files (i doubt it).
open your phone with Stune and compare and see the difference
mylove90 said:
open your phone with Stune and compare and see the difference
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It can be less, but they are Bada files, I'm sure because i have change a stock wallpaper to see if they are true Bada files. Tomorrow maybe i will take an in depth looking.
http://code.google.com/p/badadroid/wiki/Bada_MoviNAND_layout
i have already noted that the moviNAND partitions are easily mounted when running the android kernel
nbates66 said:
http://code.google.com/p/badadroid/wiki/Bada_MoviNAND_layout
i have already noted that the moviNAND partitions are easily mounted when running the android kernel
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When you connect the Samsung Wave to the PC (in Bada mode), you can see a 4xx MB internal memory. When you do it through Android, you see +/- 500 mb. Almost 100 MB of difference. These 100 MB are from internal files like wallpapers, boot sounds, boot screen, CSC, etc. Are those 100 MB part of the RAM which Bada uses to load? That is to say, you have spoken in other threads about 384 MB of Samsung Wave which 1xx MB are used by Bada. Are those THAT files? Can you get access to that memory partition deleting the files inside and anchoring it to Android? Yes, it's a personal paranoia. I don't know so much about Samsung Wave file system, i have read some about it, but I don't know almost anything. I just want to help, squeezing my brain a little
Regards.
@ lanluckez
Thank you for posting.
Not tested by me, not confirmed yet.
But access to files/memory in several different ways are very cool in my opinion.
I'm missing complete dump function of moviNAND and RAM(s) and OneNAND.
I have ever hoped over FOTA that someone managed memorydump functions...
I'll try to inform other users, that maybe someone can confirm better your way...
maybe some files under bada hidden and now better visible...
Best Regards
When I boot up my phone, the first thing it says that there's not enough space to complete some kind of action(see attached picture below). I have more than 2GB free space on sdcard and almost 6GB free space on external sd, even in file system root I have 1gb/2gb space.
I have cm10.
what does it mean? what does it want? and why does it says that? and what "action" does it talk about??
I wouldnt care if it will be just this message,but since it started this, the phone seems to be more unstable(sometimes it loses wifi/cell signal,have to press lock button 3 times to wake up,and stuff..), so I decided to make a clean reinstall anyway, but it would be great if some of u had any ideas what causes this
I've experienced something similar. I use to mount the storage on my win7 laptop and use to copy/delete files from them. Suddenly it was not letting me copy anymore telling me that the storage is out of space and when i saw it it showed free space which got me confused.
So i went ahead and set windows to show all hidden files and OS files. On the storage there was a "recycle bin" having 1.6 gb of data . I deleted the folder and all was fine.
Maybe your's is a completely different issu,e but you can check for the above.
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I've experienced something similar. I use to mount the storage on my win7 laptop and use to copy/delete files from them. Suddenly it was not letting me copy anymore telling me that the storage is out of space and when i saw it it showed free space which got me confused.
So i went ahead and set windows to show all hidden files and OS files. On the storage there was a "recycle bin" having 1.6 gb of data . I deleted the folder and all was fine.
Maybe your's is a completely different issu,e but you can check for the above.
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hm, I set it to show all hidden and "protected os files" (I have windows 8 on my netbook), but no "recycle bin" can be seen.. :S maybe I'm missing some more options to show that, or looking in the wrong place
Hallo,
I am working with the stable CM9 version and INT2EXT+ on my HTC Wildfire S which you really cannot use without any 'storage expanding' script.
Its storage space is so horrible low. So thank you for this solution very much.
The mentioned constellation is running fine and fast so far - just the opposite to ROM EQDKP (with Data2SD) I had before which was stable but EXTREMLY slow!! (only the akku state makes problems obviously at all CM versions as it does not seem to be correct (lack of refresh)! Unfortunately.)
There is still enough space on my SD card:
* Phone info -> partition info: 724 MB used from 1,08 GB (data folder)
* Apps -> All: 683 MB used, 421 MB free
* Storage -> internal storage: 782 MB Apps, 380 MB free.
Who knows why they are different but anyway they say about the same.
But now I have a GooglePlay download problem when I want to install apps bigger than 12 MB. (before (when I did not have so many apps installed) this never was a problem)
To say it clearly: it is NOT an installation problem but happens already during the app download. It just stops and says that there is not enough internal phone storage left. VERY strange!
I doubt that this has to do s.th. with a cache space, does it? But this would be the space used for downloads, right?
[partition info -> cache: 2,5 MB / 35 MB; pi -> system: 211 MB / 260 MB)
But why should it make problems then? Can this be a problem of the script / INT2EXT ??...
I would be glad to get hints from anybody what the real problem here could be.
Thank you very much!
Falk2 said:
Hallo,
I am working with the stable CM9 version and INT2EXT+ on my HTC Wildfire S which you really cannot use without any 'storage expanding' script.
Its storage space is so horrible low. So thank you for this solution very much.
The mentioned constellation is running fine and fast so far - just the opposite to ROM EQDKP (with Data2SD) I had before which was stable but EXTREMLY slow!! (only the akku state makes problems obviously at all CM versions as it does not seem to be correct (lack of refresh)! Unfortunately.)
There is still enough space on my SD card:
* Phone info -> partition info: 724 MB used from 1,08 GB (data folder)
* Apps -> All: 683 MB used, 421 MB free
* Storage -> internal storage: 782 MB Apps, 380 MB free.
Who knows why they are different but anyway they say about the same.
But now I have a GooglePlay download problem when I want to install apps bigger than 12 MB. (before (when I did not have so many apps installed) this never was a problem)
To say it clearly: it is NOT an installation problem but happens already during the app download. It just stops and says that there is not enough internal phone storage left. VERY strange!
I doubt that this has to do s.th. with a cache space, does it? But this would be the space used for downloads, right?
[partition info -> cache: 2,5 MB / 35 MB; pi -> system: 211 MB / 260 MB)
But why should it make problems then? Can this be a problem of the script / INT2EXT ??...
I would be glad to get hints from anybody what the real problem here could be.
Thank you very much!
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That's because of the script(INT2EXT+), it keeps the data/data in the internal memory. This will give you more speed but if it is filled you won't be able to install or download anything from the Play Store. That's the reason why you are not able to use your EXT partition completely. If you want more space for apps, try INT2EXT4. But you will have to sacrifice some speed if you use it
Hallo csoulr666,
thanks for your helpful feedback!
Aha, but I would have expected an error message only during installation but not during download already which uses just the cache, doesn't it???...
Maybe you refer to the sentence of the INT2EXT script author: "100mb internal is needed for every 500mb sd-ext"!?
Is it this what you mean?...
But I still have much more than 200 MB left (380MB)!!... That should not be the reason then!?...
(and again: he talks about the internal state memory but not about the cache which is reserved ANYWAY, isn't it?...
How can I find out how much data is left in the original internal memory???...
And why are there differences in memory above (284, 421, 380 MB)?...
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But if it once should be for sure that the internal memory is the reason for that I would prefer to change the 1 GB sd-ext partition to 1,5 GB by 'Minitool Partition Wizard'. Should work,shoudln't it?...
Or do you think the difference in speed is not that much!?...
However, Root Explorer tells me for data/data:
used 130,66 MB, free 19,34 MB. (unfortunately cannot see folder sizes!)
Hmmmh... so now I understand nothing anymore!!
Should I at the end add 200 MB + 130,66 MB ?...
Falk2 said:
Hallo csoulr666,
thanks for your helpful feedback!
Aha, but I would have expected an error message only during installation but not during download already which uses just the cache, doesn't it???...
Maybe you refer to the sentence of the INT2EXT script author: "100mb internal is needed for every 500mb sd-ext"!?
Is it this what you mean?...
But I still have much more than 200 MB left (380MB)!!... That should not be the reason then!?...
(and again: he talks about the internal state memory but not about the cache which is reserved ANYWAY, isn't it?...
How can I find out how much data is left in the original internal memory???...
And why are there differences in memory above (284, 421, 380 MB)?...
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But if it once should be for sure that the internal memory is the reason for that I would prefer to change the 1 GB sd-ext partition to 1,5 GB by 'Minitool Partition Wizard'. Should work,shoudln't it?...
Or do you think the difference in speed is not that much!?...
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What the author meant that you need a 100MB of "acutal" internal storage(not EXT partition) to be able to use about 500 MB of the EXT partition. That's actually an estimate value, so you won't be able to get the same figures in all the ROMs. Even before downloading, the Play Store checks for the storage available for all the parts of an application. Maybe that's why it returns errors
Hallo csoulr666,
thank you for your additional explanation. In fact this would explain the phenomena.
I calculate then:
About 100 MB internal memory I need for 100 MB.
As WFS has about 120 MB internal mem. it is about 650 MB at all. Correct?
So this is the limitation ia have then which is too early.
And do you know if I can read out the left or too low memory anyhow.
Means, does any value gives me an information about the left actual internal memory value?
Possibly no?...
So then I am thinking about a change of the memory script.
Did you or anybody else can answer the following questions?:
1.) Do I have more memory left with scripts like Link2SD, INT2EXT or INT2EXT4 ??
2.) Is the speed reduction remarkable here? And if so when exactly?
3.) How can I change over to another script without reinstalling the whole ROM? (no overwriting possible, is it?)
Thank you very much again for your feedback!!
Falk2 said:
Hallo csoulr666,
thank you for your additional explanation. In fact this would explain the phenomena.
I calculate then:
About 100 MB internal memory I need for 100 MB.
As WFS has about 120 MB internal mem. it is about 650 MB at all. Correct?
So this is the limitation ia have then which is too early.
And do you know if I can read out the left or too low memory anyhow.
Means, does any value gives me an information about the left actual internal memory value?
Possibly no?...
So then I am thinking about a change of the memory script.
Did you or anybody else can answer the following questions?:
1.) Do I have more memory left with scripts like Link2SD, INT2EXT or INT2EXT4 ??
2.) Is the speed reduction remarkable here? And if so when exactly?
3.) How can I change over to another script without reinstalling the whole ROM? (no overwriting possible, is it?)
Thank you very much again for your feedback!!
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Actually the usable space depends on the internal memory that is free. So it will vary from different ROMs.
1) You would have more space with INT2EXT, INT2EXT4 but not with Link2SD(unless you buy the PRO version of the app allowing to move everything to the EXT partition)
2) Speed reduction can be significant if you load it up with a lot of Apps. And it might get a little annoying after 2-3 weeks or so
3)Overwriting will not be possible in most cases, since different scripts might mount different things on the 2nd Partition
back again from holiday...
So what would you suggest what I can do?
To 1: How much memory do I win in average with INT2EXT or the others? Can I install e.g. double the number of apps then?...
To 2: Your answer stands for which scripts? All the three? Or only INT2EXT, INT2EXT4 maybe?...
Could you explain why exactly the speed reduction appears? (isn't the fix part of an app also loaded in the fast RAM when started. So isn't it more a question of available RAM than speed?...)
To 3: Changing to another script would mean to flash the whole ROM again?... Or isn't there a way to delete my actual INT2EXT+ before installing e.g. INT2EXT?... Or is there still another way to exchange my script??...
4.) At last I couldn't even start my mobile at all! Although I did not install any new app for months all background provesses (like GooglePlay) cannot be started. Is this maybe because of updates of installed apps?...
Anyway I deinstalled TripAdvisor which needed full 45 MB ( and cannot be moved to SD card at all). But this did not help at all (reboot done)! I still have the same memory problems now and now cannot run my ROM CM9. Why not? Why the deinstallations don't help??...
Falk2 said:
back again from holiday...
So what would you suggest what I can do?
To 1: How much memory do I win in average with INT2EXT or the others? Can I install e.g. double the number of apps then?...
To 2: Your answer stands for which scripts? All the three? Or only INT2EXT, INT2EXT4 maybe?...
Could you explain why exactly the speed reduction appears? (isn't the fix part of an app also loaded in the fast RAM when started. So isn't it more a question of available RAM than speed?...)
To 3: Changing to another script would mean to flash the whole ROM again?... Or isn't there a way to delete my actual INT2EXT+ before installing e.g. INT2EXT?... Or is there still another way to exchange my script??...
4.) At last I couldn't even start my mobile at all! Although I did not install any new app for months all background provesses (like GooglePlay) cannot be started. Is this maybe because of updates of installed apps?...
Anyway I deinstalled TripAdvisor which needed full 45 MB ( and cannot be moved to SD card at all). But this did not help at all (reboot done)! I still have the same memory problems now and now cannot run my ROM CM9. Why not? Why the deinstallations don't help??...
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1. You will definitely be able to install more apps, but the exact number depends on the apps you use.
2. (2) stands for the difference between INT2EXT/INT2EXT4 and INT2EXT+
3. You simply can't change scripts, you will have to make a clean install and then use another script.
4. That happens sometimes, I generally reflash the ROM to get rid of this.
thank you vrey much, csoulr666, for answering !!
Unfortunately there are still answer details left...
To 1: What is it that makes the space bigger? Isn't it just the data part which normally is very low? (s. www.xda-developers.com/android/cronmod-gives-users-options-of-a2sd-d2ext-int2ext) So I suppose that there would be no big win of space with INT2EXT instead of INT2EXT+. What do you say?
1b.) How can I measure/read and estimate the left telephon space which is too small/missing in my case? (you know, all my storage values are okay currently but I have this problem anyway!)
1c.) What happens if I move apps to SD card by Options/Apps although INT2EXT+ is working?... And can this help?
T0 2: Again, could you please explain why exactly the speed reduction appears? I don't understand this. (isn't the data part of an app also loaded in the fast RAM when started. So isn't it more a question of available RAM than speed?...)
To 3: This is very bad news. It would mean much work for me if I really had to reinstall the ROM.
So are you pretty sure? Did you try already? I e.g. could imagine that there might be an extra transfer/exchange script from the author. Or a script exchange is already supported by the scripts. Oe.
See, the INT2EXT would also move the data part. So as this is NOT done yet (INT2EXT+) the new script (INT2EXT) would just have to complete this by moving them also to SD. I would imagine that this should work, shouldn't it?
3b.) Do you know where the script is located?... And shouldn't a new flash just overwrite it (both are very simular anyway!)? (maybe it can be done manually as well??...)
To 4: Isn't that strange? How can that happen? Why do you say 'sometimes'? Own experiences?
What can be the reason for this sometime problem?... How can I double-check that? Or is there maybe any option necessary to say the system to re-read the storage values?... Or... Who else can I ask?
Which phone do you have and which scripts did you try already?
If you cannot answer some questions... Can I reach the writer of the INT2EXT scripts maybe?... (if I may write him under [email protected] ?...)
Hallo csoulr666,
are you still there?
Would be so nice to get a feedback from you.
Or are you helpless now as well?...
Falk2 said:
thank you vrey much, csoulr666, for answering !!
Unfortunately there are still answer details left...
To 1: What is it that makes the space bigger? Isn't it just the data part which normally is very low? (s. www.xda-developers.com/android/cronmod-gives-users-options-of-a2sd-d2ext-int2ext) So I suppose that there would be no big win of space with INT2EXT instead of INT2EXT+. What do you say?
1b.) How can I measure/read and estimate the left telephon space which is too small/missing in my case? (you know, all my storage values are okay currently but I have this problem anyway!)
1c.) What happens if I move apps to SD card by Options/Apps although INT2EXT+ is working?... And can this help?
T0 2: Again, could you please explain why exactly the speed reduction appears? I don't understand this. (isn't the data part of an app also loaded in the fast RAM when started. So isn't it more a question of available RAM than speed?...)
To 3: This is very bad news. It would mean much work for me if I really had to reinstall the ROM.
So are you pretty sure? Did you try already? I e.g. could imagine that there might be an extra transfer/exchange script from the author. Or a script exchange is already supported by the scripts. Oe.
See, the INT2EXT would also move the data part. So as this is NOT done yet (INT2EXT+) the new script (INT2EXT) would just have to complete this by moving them also to SD. I would imagine that this should work, shouldn't it?
3b.) Do you know where the script is located?... And shouldn't a new flash just overwrite it (both are very simular anyway!)? (maybe it can be done manually as well??...)
To 4: Isn't that strange? How can that happen? Why do you say 'sometimes'? Own experiences?
What can be the reason for this sometime problem?... How can I double-check that? Or is there maybe any option necessary to say the system to re-read the storage values?... Or... Who else can I ask?
Which phone do you have and which scripts did you try already?
If you cannot answer some questions... Can I reach the writer of the INT2EXT scripts maybe?... (if I may write him under [email protected] ?...)
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1. What happens is that the internal memory is moved and linked to the 2nd partition you created on the SDcard. The scripts vary on the basis of what parts of the memory(system files, data files) are being transferred and how it is transferred to the EXT partition.
1b. I can't seem to estimate the storage left in any way I tried, so can't help you there.
1c. This COULD help, but I'm not quite sure about that.
2. The SDcard has a slower speed as compared to the Flash memory on your phone. INT2EXT+ tends to rectify this by leaving the app data(/data/data) on the internal memory. So if the app data size reaches close to the actual internal memory, you will get low memory errors.
3. As I mentioned in 1 above, the scripts vary on how the linking is done, so it would only make it worse if you just remove the script and add a new one.
3b. The scripts are located in "/system/etc/init.d". See 3 above for the rest of the answer.
4. I have never been able to find the solution to the problem, too much apps, script causing problems.......... I don't know.
My phones are mentioned in the Signature. I have tried nearly every EXT script(Link2sd, INT2EXT,INT2EXT+, mount2sd etc) with the WFS.
thank you again for your good and detailed explanations and your patience!!
To 1): Okay, thank you anyway. In average it seems as if the limitation ist just about 700 MB for WFS. And if all data files are transferred to the SD card the internal storage will not be filled at all, right? So the space for downloaded apps seems to be limited only by the size of the SD card, right? Remark: Would be perfect if it could be selected during app installation where the data sector of the app should be transferred to. But this does not seem to be possible by a script, is it?...
To 2): Okay, that's what I know - the much slower SD card. I mean how can I estimate if an app which uses data files needs to access them often or not?... Would be good if I could estimate that before I use/choose an app.
To3): Okay, understand. However I did it, overwriting the old script. Booting was possible but there was no change at all.
4.) You wrote that you tried so many scripts... So which is your conclusion? Which INT2EXT script do you use today?...
4b.) And is there any reason why there is no script INT2EXTV2 (without '+')? Cause I would like to use Linux swap and need more than 750 MB memory for my downloaded apps.
Or where can I get this script maybe ?...
Another problem I have...
5.) I tried to install the actual CM11 (cm-11-20141004-NIGHTLY-marvel) with INT2EXT but I cannot boot again after I additionally flashed GAPPS (Gapps-KK-4.4.0-Signed): endless loading. (I followed the original installation instruction!!)
How can that be? I suppose that the reason is that my storage size for the system part is too low. But the email app is already missing in this ROM... Isn't that strange? Did this happen to you as well already?... What can I do?...
5b.) Now I am in the situation that I can choose between CM9, CM10 and CM11. Which one would you suggest most?
Remark: CM11 seems to make problems and e.g. its storage management does not work: at 'Android options/storage' it does not show the sizes (endless calculation...), launcher is more circumstancial, etc. Up to now I used CM9 which worked quite well - but it is old. Maybe CM10?...
Or isn't it the most actual one? How can I find?...
Thank you again for your good feedback!!
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thank you again for your good and detailed explanations and your patience!!
To 1): Okay, thank you anyway. In average it seems as if the limitation ist just about 700 MB for WFS. And if all data files are transferred to the SD card the internal storage will not be filled at all, right? So the space for downloaded apps seems to be limited only by the size of the SD card, right? Remark: Would be perfect if it could be selected during app installation where the data sector of the app should be transferred to. But this does not seem to be possible by a script, is it?...
To 2): Okay, that's what I know - the much slower SD card. I mean how can I estimate if an app which uses data files needs to access them often or not?... Would be good if I could estimate that before I use/choose an app.
To3): Okay, understand. However I did it, overwriting the old script. Booting was possible but there was no change at all.
4.) You wrote that you tried so many scripts... So which is your conclusion? Which INT2EXT script do you use today?...
4b.) And is there any reason why there is no script INT2EXTV2 (without '+')? Cause I would like to use Linux swap and need more than 750 MB memory for my downloaded apps.
Or where can I get this script maybe ?...
Another problem I have...
5.) I tried to install the actual CM11 (cm-11-20141004-NIGHTLY-marvel) with INT2EXT but I cannot boot again after I additionally flashed GAPPS (Gapps-KK-4.4.0-Signed): endless loading. (I followed the original installation instruction!!)
How can that be? I suppose that the reason is that my storage size for the system part is too low. But the email app is already missing in this ROM... Isn't that strange? Did this happen to you as well already?... What can I do?...
5b.) Now I am in the situation that I can choose between CM9, CM10 and CM11. Which one would you suggest most?
Remark: CM11 seems to make problems and e.g. its storage management does not work: at 'Android options/storage' it does not show the sizes (endless calculation...), launcher is more circumstancial, etc. Up to now I used CM9 which worked quite well - but it is old. Maybe CM10?...
Or isn't it the most actual one? How can I find?...
Thank you again for your good feedback!!
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1) I think so, but considering not much of the files are transferred, it will make a slight difference instead of a big one. And no, all the scripts I know of do not provide the option to select the sector to install to during the installation of an app. That would actually defeat the purpose of the script to be easy to use. Beginners will have a hard time if they are provided with millions of options.
2) I don't think you can estimate that. You will then need to create estimates for every kind of app(and there are a LOT kinds of them)
3) Overwriting a script with another would either not work or will cause problems.
4)I was using INT2EXT4 recently but will not use anymore scripts because the WFS isn't my primary device anymore. So I don't require much apps to be installed on it.
4b) You will have to ask the developer of the scripts that. He will clear you on that more.
5) That could be because of the Gapps, what was the size of the Gapps you installed? If you are using the one from Goo.im or PA's site then you need to switch to a lite version of Gapps.
5b) I personally use CM9 or CM10.1 if I want stability. CM10 has it's fair share of bugs since it hasn't received as much time as the CM 9 and 10.1. In then end it is upto you to decide which ROM suits you more.
to 1.) I think Link2SD is supporting this (selected data location)... It is easy to handle (you decide once just before installation of an app)!
to 4.) Have you been satisfied with INT2EXT4 ? Maybe it is not my last change from EXT3 to EXT4, I don't know... But my CM11 version now runs in some way unstable. S. below.
to 4b.) I asked Croniccorey already but unfortunately he did not answer yet...
to 5.) Gapps-KK-4.4.0-Signed is said to be already a lite version. So I cared for that. The size: 15.2 MB. Is that okay? If so then we have a strange problem here, don't we?
Meanwhile I did the following: I did not flash both (Rom AND INT2EXT4 script) within one boot as advised everywhere. And this time GooglePlay suddenly appeared. It seems to be included in the Rom but before (Rom and script in ONE boot) did definitly NOT appear. Strange, isn't it?...
So this time it was not necessary to flash GAPPS so that this problem was shipped around.
But this CM11 with INT2EXT4 (before CM9 and INT2EXT+ which was quite fast and stable (but limited to 720 MB Apps)) is not that stable AND boots at least double the time than CM9!!
During installation/configuration of CM11 and lots of apps there were a lot of crashes. E.g. I started Skype four times or GoogleMaps twice (after installation) before they did not crash during their start.
I wanted to give up already but after all that it now the apps which need big resources run acceptable.
Now they crash only when there are too much processes at one time. E.g. if more than 4 pictures of WhatsApp (which s.o. has sent to me) are loaded. Or if there is a heavy background process running and I scroll some content of another app.
I doubt if this is what you ment with unstable (of CM11)!?
6.) Do you have any idea where this kind of unstability comes from?...
And which kind of unstability did you realise at CM11?...
But again, maybe it is just my change from EXT3 to EXT4. Maybe I did not select the right settings, like cluster size, ...!?
would be perfect if you or s.o. else would comment my experiences soon.
I really don't know right now what is normal here and what I would have to accept so far...
meanwhile I could answer my questions and problems by myself by long tries, as nobody seemed to know it here...
To 1.) Yes, Link2SD seems to be just the same as INT2EXT scripts (but here you need to pay for a none-'+'-version: app data are only linked to SD with Link2SD plus version) but you can control at each installed app if also app DATA are moved to SD or not. And you have a comfortable UI where you can manage everything. You can even switch off the linking. At INT2EXT there is no chance: if you want to change anything you have to reinstall your whole ROM !!
To 2.) I could not realise a very remarkable reduction of speed between INT2EXT4+ and INT2EXT4. Sometimes the start or change of apps (taskmanager) was a bit slower. So if you use a class 10 SD card and you want no app installation limitations I suggest not to use the INT2EXT plus version. Maybe the solution is LINK2SD anyway!...
To 3.) The perfect solution here is the app Link2SD (s. GooglePlay).
To 4.) My CM11 ROM now runs stable. Solution: I reinstalled it and flashed it with 'SuperWipeMarvelEdition' first. Really unbelievable but that helped!
To 5.+6.) Also these problems were solved with 'SuperWipeMarvelEdition'. Now the flashing of GAPPS worked fine.
To 5b.) My CM11 version runs also quite well. It might be a bit slower but not much. But it is quite big and lots of system functions are missing. E.g. Google Weather & News, Email, Talk, etc. Its GAPPS is too small. An INT2EXT PLUS version is impossible here as you have just 30 MB internal storage left! You have to search for all the apps and install them additionally. Unfortunately I could not find any pool where all those missing apps are collected for download. Very sad! Does anybody know?... (what I found only: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1917411 )
Point 4b) I still could not answer. Nobody seems to know and Croniccorey unfortunately does not give any life sign...