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Hi there, I am currently making a magnetic floatation holder compatible with any android phone. I recently came across these threads and was wondering if anybody knew how I could shield the internal apparatus from magnetic interference? The phones are currently floating in mid air within the holder box but they refuse to function correctly due to the immensely powerful magnetic field surrounding it. Any advise at all would be greatly appreciated?
Have you tried a rubber lining? That may help...
Tried many linings
Hi, thanks for the speedy response. I have tried everything from Aerospace Aluminium, plastic, rubber and Titanium. The only material that currently works is lead and that has to be 3mm thick which makes it way too heavy. If there is maybe anyone you know that could literally coat each mechanism and distribution board within the device with lead that would be great but also impractical for multiple cellphone compatibility. I am sooo close but yet soo far. I have managed to adjust the magnetic frequency to allow minimal interference but it still leads variable damage in multiple areas. I have recently applied for a patent but I pray I can find an unknown material. I am just missing something but cannot put my finger on it. Anyways thanks for your kind response but I am 2 minutes away from burning everything......Sooo frustrating. If you come up with any ideas pweeez let me know, my brain is fried.
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Thanks for your help KT, I managed to get in touch with one of the guys responsible for Maglev train magnetic composite technologies and he agreed to help me for a small percentage of total profits. It will be ready about March next year for initial testing, maybe you guys at XDA can use a few 1hundred units for testing? It seems to me this is the best arena to get a feel for the product? Thanks anyway, I will be looking into it.
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I'm extremely confused to why u would need this... Even more confused about how u would market them...
Great Toy, Looks Alien.
Don't you just hate scratched cellphone/tablet screens. Well now(4months time in S.A) you can simply throw your phone into the invisible magnetic field and when there is no contact with the ground your face cannot be scratched. When you get into your car, simply plug it into your sig lighter and your phone etc can be held in mid air. No more key scratches, no more make-up marks on your device. And it looks really space age, your glowing Android etc phone hovering in mid air. And it will also charge automatically while in the magnetic spectrum. Use it as a night clock/light and place it on(or rather over) your night stand table.
Well at least I hope people would use this because I have spent an infinite amount of time and energy, not to mention hard capital, on this adventure of mine. The ride has been great and tough at times but hopefully the law of thermodynamics will ensure at least a 60% return on energy invested. The guys at Maglev where ecstatic so I am sure they would not help me out as they have unless they knew it was a sure bet. Anyways, thanks for the constructive criticism.
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Don't you just hate scratched cellphone/tablet screens. Well now(4months time in S.A) you can simply throw your phone into the invisible magnetic field and when there is no contact with the ground your face cannot be scratched. When you get into your car, simply plug it into your sig lighter and your phone etc can be held in mid air. No more key scratches, no more make-up marks on your device. And it looks really space age, your glowing Android etc phone hovering in mid air. And it will also charge automatically while in the magnetic spectrum. Use it as a night clock/light and place it on(or rather over) your night stand table.
Well at least I hope people would use this because I have spent an infinite amount of time and energy, not to mention hard capital, on this adventure of mine. The ride has been great and tough at times but hopefully the law of thermodynamics will ensure at least a 60% return on energy invested. The guys at Maglev where ecstatic so I am sure they would not help me out as they have unless they knew it was a sure bet. Anyways, thanks for the constructive criticism.
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It sounds very cool, and very techy and geeky, however I don't know if I see the mass market potential for this type of device?
Also I have a couple of questions:
Does the phone hold its position once placed in the magnetic field? Or is it able to rotate freely?
What about the potential effects on wristwatches and other non sheilded devices? I don't want to put my phone in a mag field and have my watch go blank.
That being said I wish you luck - hopefully I'm wrong and you can retire on this idea
Spot On
You are absolutely correct, containment, extrapolation, dispersion on a lateral effect and cross intensification are issues that are currently being worked on. As of yet nobody in S.A has the mechanical techniques nor tools that I require to enclose the radial disturbance, only one company in Germany can manage the calibration needed. And this has only recently been developed through discoveries made on the Large Hadron Collider. Fortunately, the guys at Maglev's, ITSC, have a ready made and diverse magnetic operating coil for my device. With ought going into all the technical babble, I have got a free travel package to Germany next month and they say my mind will be blown away when I see the solution they came up with. And, retirement, no way, my brain could not handle being idle for 5 seconds. These guys are brilliant, I gave them blueprints a week ago and they already have a model I need to sign off on. So I am sure all your devices will not be affected in any way. Gonna hit the waves now, have not surfed in 3weeks. I hope I can count on xda to distribute a few working units when I get back? When you guys O.K a device, it's future is certain.....
I'm a novice so this might be stupid. Your focus seems to be on insulation. Have you tried going the opposite way? Maybe construct some sort of golden faraday cage?
Also, If I got one of those testing units, that would be tits.
im not certian a faraday cage would work. but it would definately be worth trying, not gold though (gold wont conduct magentic flux very well), ferrite, iron, anything that conducts magnetism very well with very little remaining magnetic field when the source is removed (there is a property specified for that, but i cant remember the name). had part would be covering the screen and not being an eyesore. im not gonna watch the thread so OP can pm me for a bit more info if they wish.
any snap shots i know it might be a no but i really want to see this very intrested
Hey sorry, been out of town for a few days. No problem, as soon as I got the reworked casings in place I can send you a pic. Just a tad dicey at the moment due to copy right etc. Oh and brilliant, the Faraday cage worked perfectly in my initial testing +-1year ago but it blocked the entire device off and stopped easy insertion of the phone. All the kinks are pretty much sorted, you can throw the phone from 3metres away and the field will capture it. Received a vid from MGLEV tests, it was lank hilarious, I am so stoked my baby is almost sorted. thanks guys for input, how can I get in touch with xda management, want to organize initial releases for +- 1000 members? Just require delivery reception details and a few agreements, no cost to you at xda at all? Thank you, God Bless.
I think this guy is screwing with us. He sound like a back to the future movie.
And you waited all this time to tell us? (read the last date it was posted).
I see what you mean though, kinda too good to be true or, at least, too expensive to buy commercially
This is not too good to be true. The magnetic levitation technique has been demonstrated even with living beings in lab. There are adornments in market that float in free air with magnetic levitation.
http://www.google.com/search?source...pw.r_cp.&fp=200a4278d8f8f451&biw=1024&bih=655
However, I guess it's far fetched to use it for cellphones since the inteference and damage to components will be too high. However, I doubt the authenticity of this post as MagLev trains have little in their design that'd help shielding a mobile phone.
If scratched surfaces annoy you, use a woolen holder.
hmmm any updates?
I'd love to do testing; got like 4 different phones to test with
Okay guys.
So I just got my 4S back from these guys, and wow, I am honestly amazed.
I saw them on my local news a few days ago, and figured what the hell. Apparently they put your phone through a process that binds their product on a molecular level, and makes it "waterproof" I didn't think it'd work as good as in the videos but it really does.
Essentially what happens is, you pay and ship your phone to them. Within a day of receiving it, they treat your phone and send it back. (can do the express version for 10$ more)
I sent my phone in on a monday, received it back on that thursday. I then decided to put it to the test. filled up my sink (about a foot and a half deep), closed my eyes, and submerged my 4s. To my astonishment, I opened my eyes and the screen was still on! I was even able to type a message to my girlfriend telling her I was texting her from underwater xD
I then answered a call in the shower the next morning and all worked fine! Its been a week since Ive gotten my phone back and have done the sink trick countless times to impress my friends, and it still works like new hehe. just thought id share, seeing as a good waterproof case for the 4s is about 20$ more.
http://www.liquipel.com
edit: I figured the accessories thread was the best place, let me know if you feel otherwise ;P
heres a good demo i found of it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtsSPZCGmuY
Yeh looks good but a pretty short list of approved devices. No SGSII for a start
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Yeh looks good but a pretty short list of approved devices. No SGSII for a start
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try emailing them? I thought i read somewhere on there site that they can usually make accommodations for devices not on the list..
And they JUST started taking orders at CES, so they should expand the supported devices soon if theyre doing this good. pretty great start imo xD
Thanks but second problem, I dont think they are in the UK yet.
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Thanks but second problem, I dont think they are in the UK yet.
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Ah. Well that might be a problem then xD
killall said:
Thanks but second problem, I dont think they are in the UK yet.
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It said it was a mail in program... international mail... phone back in like 3 weeks lol
edit:The following devices are approved to be Liquipelled:
Apple iPhone 4s
Apple iPhone 4
Apple iPhone 3g/s
HTC Evo 4G
HTC Evo Shift 4G
HTC MyTouch 4G
HTC Thunderbolt
Motorola Droid X/X2
Samsung Charge
Wow that is amazing!!
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My understanding is they coat internals of phones & simply keeps the water from corroding intricates.
My initial question was how speaker would still operate as it "coating" not hampering its performance but its answered on websites FAQ.
My question now lies in...if they coat everything that's good BUT what happens when you switch batteries...if the contacts of the battery weren't coated I'd think it could/would short out. No?
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My understanding is they coat internals of phones & simply keeps the water from corroding intricates.
My initial question was how speaker would still operate as it "coating" not hampering its performance but its answered on websites FAQ.
My question now lies in...if they coat everything that's good BUT what happens when you switch batteries...if the contacts of the battery weren't coated I'd think it could/would short out. No?
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Good question. You might have to email them on that one. I don't have to worry about it since my battery isn't "removable" lol
While I understand the application to any iOS devices because they are naturally closed.
But to other devices you get some variation of success.
The most important areas are the jack ports, speakers, mics, buttons, screws and edges of the opening-backside.
They probably coat the display too "just in case" but that should deteriorate the quality of the touchscreen.
And coating the innards is not necessary, but helps as "secondary insurance" but I'd be worried about the warranty getting void.
We need a device like the NOTE entirely Aluminium-Unibody with only the bottom lip opening up for removable battery, SIM, microSD (like the HTC Legend).
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While I understand the application to any iOS devices because they are naturally closed.
But to other devices you get some variation of success.
The most important areas are the jack ports, speakers, mics, buttons, screws and edges of the opening-backside.
They probably coat the display too "just in case" but that should deteriorate the quality of the touchscreen.
And coating the innards is not necessary, but helps as "secondary insurance" but I'd be worried about the warranty getting void.
We need a device like the NOTE entirely Aluminium-Unibody with only the bottom lip opening up for removable battery, SIM, microSD (like the HTC Legend).
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It sounds like your completely guessing at what "it" does and how its applied. I on the other hand decided to investigate BEFORE acting as if i knew what it was we are discussing.
1. Its applied via vapor,in a vacuum chamber environment, so as to completely coat inside and out, all parts of said device. The coating is 1000 times thinner than a human hair and therefor does not change the way the phone feels or functions(screen response)
2. speakers are not effected because they too are waterproofed in the same nano tech molecular bonding process.
3. When you submerge your device once coated, water does completely run THROUGH your device. Short circuit cannot be obtained because the liquid cannot make contact to the positive and negative/grounding surfaces because of said thin/nano layer of protection. although it repels liquids, it still allows all existing electrical pathways to function without flaw, and will conduct electricity thus allowing for the capacitive functions to work also.
4. This technology was not designed to make your phone "UNDERWATER" proof, and they recommend not submerging any device in liquid. In the case that your phone falls from your hoodie pocket into the toilet, you can retrieve (and hopefully) rinse your device before electrical failure/short occurs. Its a backup plan for accidents, not a solution for mobile underwater photography or social networking.
These statements are not conjecture. this is what happens when you read and investigate what youve read.
If your gonna troll, at least take the time to know what your talking about. F'in trolls!
Not trolling, just thought this was the "old" method previously adopted (was it by Vertu?).
If you call anyone a troll for showing interest then I guess you would be alone in this world as a non-troll, just saiyan
Did you even read what you wrote??? Words like "probably", and other staments like "naturally closed" make you sound like an idiot, which im sure you are not... but if you are gonna post in a category, wouldnt it help to know the subject your posting about. The information is there and one should not have to ?guess?
I on the other hand became very curious about said tech, and therefor did the research needed to contribute to this discussion.
There are no what if this happens in this case because the are selling a tested product, and have limited device compatibility - for now.
I was hoping that when i saw a new post on this thread that it was someone with valuable information, trying to fill gapps of knowledge, but it was just "what if's" and "probably's"... come on. If you want to pm me about what ive learned about this product, ill be happy to share anything else i have with anyone. I am here to learn, not waste valuable time reading conjecture based on nothing.
Hey smart guy why would you come here looking for information when you already know everything?
Even if I was still interested, I wouldn't ask someone like you (just letting you know so you dont have to constantly check you pm)
Later buddy
Seriously guys. This is to get other peoples opinion about the product. No need to argue
There has been a couple of very long threads about fixing/improving the GPS on the DHD
Various methods - (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1757741)
and (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1318892), aluminum foil, soldering steel wire or copper wire to the phone.
I have had my phone for over two years, used just about every ROM on here, and for the past few months am using this brilliant one
[ROM][UNOFFICIAL] CyanogenMod 10.1 Nightlies / Releases [SR1] on nightly 17.07 which is perfect.
As it is now working so well, I wanted my phone to look like the day I bought it, so I purchased the FULL set of covers inc the main shell.
Everything seemed fine at first, but the GPS did not work at all. It had worked perfectly before from day one with every ROM!
Close inspection, (very close inspection, USB microscope) revealed that there was hardly any gold conductive paint on the GPS cover contacts (open circuit), and also the other two covers barely any. There is no metal under that gold paint!
If you see any black marks on the gold - THAT IS THE PLASTIC UNDERNEATH - so nothing will work correctly.
I ordered another new set of genuine covers, which were perfect. GPS is better than before, network signal better (I think that is the sim card cover antenna. Not sure what antenna is on the battery cover?
I studied the above threads and the general conclusion is, (for those who haven't already screwed up their phones by soldering)
buy a NEW flash lens/GPS antenna cover! the DHD hardware is perfect. (actually IMO all covers should be replaced)
If you want better GPS you buy something like this: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Genuine-H...K_Replacement_Parts_Tools&hash=item20b8394021
and not the whole housing lol.
If you want your phone to look like new that's fine, but it's not related to GPS more than fo this single flash cover.
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If you want better GPS you buy something like this: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Genuine-H...K_Replacement_Parts_Tools&hash=item20b8394021
and not the whole housing lol.
If you want your phone to look like new that's fine, but it's not related to GPS more than fo this single flash cover.
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Thanks for your reply, but is is definitely related to GPS http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1101066
Also thanks for your suggestion to purchase just the "Antenna-Camera-Flash-Cover" "for better GPS", (That part houses the GPS antenna!)
But as mentioned in my statement above, I wanted the whole thing to look like new.
Many DHD owners have various antenna problems, (WiFi, GPS, Network) believing it is a software problem rather than being related to the three plastic covers, which also incorporate the antennas. (it is probably the worst thing about these phones, as the contacts on them are nothing more than conductive paint)
I don't use eBay. I called one of the 1000's of phone part suppliers here, and the following day the parts arrived. Total cost including shipping £8.90 LOL!
I'm also looking to 're-new' my DHD.
I've bought a new battery, and SD card, and am using the JellyTime ROM, which I've found to be the smoothest so far, and I'm waiting on my replacement covers at the minute.
Its such an incredible phone, which I've had for 3 years now, and it'd be such a shame to discard it for a newer model, as I have no justifiable reason to do so.
Everything still works, and it does just as much as the newer models. So why change?
As you said, it costs merely £8.99 to make the phone look like new (I bought mine from eBay, and paid the same, inc postage). And it cost me around £20 for the SD card and battery, and you've virtually got a new handset.
Just turned down an upgrade on it, in favour of a sim-only contract, which is insanely cheaper than the one I was on before.
The DHD has such a stable build that it can actually save you a lot of money, so long as you don't care about keeping up-to-date with the trends.
As for the GPS issue, I've not had any problems up to now, using the stock model, despite many knocks and drops, but I am aware that the antennae are contained in the covers.
People list this as an issue with the DHD, however, I find that it makes it easier to fix when you encounter a problem. Again, the replacement part is reasonably cheap.
Glad to find another DHD lover, refusing to give up on their model!
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I'm also looking to 're-new' my DHD.
I've bought a new battery, and SD card, and am using the JellyTime ROM, which I've found to be the smoothest so far, and I'm waiting on my replacement covers at the minute.
Its such an incredible phone, which I've had for 3 years now, and it'd be such a shame to discard it for a newer model, as I have no justifiable reason to do so.
Everything still works, and it does just as much as the newer models. So why change?
As you said, it costs merely £8.99 to make the phone look like new (I bought mine from eBay, and paid the same, inc postage). And it cost me around £20 for the SD card and battery, and you've virtually got a new handset.
Just turned down an upgrade on it, in favour of a sim-only contract, which is insanely cheaper than the one I was on before.
The DHD has such a stable build that it can actually save you a lot of money, so long as you don't care about keeping up-to-date with the trends.
As for the GPS issue, I've not had any problems up to now, using the stock model, despite many knocks and drops, but I am aware that the antennae are contained in the covers.
People list this as an issue with the DHD, however, I find that it makes it easier to fix when you encounter a problem. Again, the replacement part is reasonably cheap.
Glad to find another DHD lover, refusing to give up on their model!
Sent from my Desire HD/Inspire 4G, using the xda-developers app.
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I totally agree with you Alkerino! There is no point to upgrade it yet just to keep up with the latest trends. If it is working fine, has a stable fast ROM, it makes sense regarding saving a lot of money on renewing your contract. I will not be upgrading mine for a long time :good:
I would like to sell my N2 for a reasonable price, but not get ripped off at the same time.
The device was only used for a total of 3 months...
HOWEVER, it has a tiny crack next to the captivate buttons which is easily covered by a case...
The crack is not even on the digitizer/ screen viewing part.
& the issue is, whoever I show to trade/ sell use that as a major bargaining point, and I really dont care to waste my time with that or fixing it to get a better price.
I just want to unload this thing as quick as possible at a decent rate....cause my wife got me a N3 for xmas...and we need the money.
Thanks for any help/ tips/ ideas...
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Damage is damage is damage... It renders the "three months use" positive point you had kinda moot. (Sorry.)
Depending on the shape of the crack and its direction there's always a concern that it could spread.
FWIW, LNIB/BNIB Note 2s are advertised for 350-400$ in my local classifieds, check your market and adjust accordingly. (Without having seen said crack, I'd w.a.g. at 275-300$ for yours.)
Try emphasizing its legitimate provenance by supplying proper documentation? Blacklisted IMEIs are a growing concern after all.
Take multiple, clear pictures for your ad, lets would-be buyers know what they're getting into. (Too many browse these things like inattentive idiots, but it can't hurt in filtering out some people.)
Best of luck,
Darkshado
Hi everybody, I've had the motorola razr 5g now for about a year and I noticed that the screw that holds the cover plate over the hinge is missing. It looks like a torx bit, I will test the size with an iFix it kit sometime soon on the other one, but I also am wondering if anyone knows what kind of thread it has, or the length. I am a little disappointed with Motorola, I contact the customer service and they are pretty much stonewalling me. They won't just provide the screw, they want me to send it in for service and since I am 4 days past owning it for a year now they are not honoring the 1 year warranty. Which is technically fair, but a bit frustrating. I cannot justify paying for shipping and service so someone can use a screwdriver. I asked them once again to just send me the screw, I would even pay for it, or to at least tell me what type of screw it is, but I am not hopeful for my odds in getting either of those things. So I thought I would reach out to the broader community. Here is a picture of the missing spot. Let me know if this belongs in a different topic, I though it might fit here.
Are there 2 or just one?
If 2, pull the second one to get the length (test on other side) and thread size/type.
Lol, you picked the wrong screw to lose said SuzieQ
Check your pockets etc, sometimes you get lucky.
A local repair shop might be the easiest way.
Hi, thank you for that suggestion, there are two. I will have to see about pulling it out I do have a micrometer packed in a box somewhere. I am still unsure how to find the thread style once I have it though.
Yeah I have been looking in my pockets I even tried to look in the washing machine. So far no dice.
It's a shame I have otherwise loved this phone the form factor is great and I actually get about 2-3 days on the battery since I use the tiny outside screen for a lot of things.
Hi everyone, a small update to this topic. I was able to talk with a repair shop that told me this is the likely part number for the screw I am looking for, SM88C67068. They unfortunately didn't stock it, but I thanked them for being more helpful than motorola. Googling that number gave me a spread sheet with this information associated with the part, SCREW, M1.4x2.4L,2.5x0.30HD, SL,NAT4.
I also pulled the other screw out to have a look, it has a torx 0 head and is pretty short. It is not just a straight screw. It has a tier to it and a fine thread.