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For the last 2 weeks, I've been reading the forum and waiting delivery on a unlocked/unbranded HTC TYTN with WM 5.0.
It appears the disadvantage of the AT&T release ROMs are speed and bloatware. I haven't seen any comments on the advantages or disadvantages of the official HTC WM 6.0 ROMs versus the cooked 6.0/6.1 ROMs.
Can anyone provide any comments on the official HTC ROMs? Sorry, if I missed it, but, I've been trying to cram as much knowledge as possible about this device and trying to make a decision on a cooked ROM or the official HTC one.
Thanks!
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PJBHermes
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 1
NEW THREAD on Opinions on the default HTC TYTN WM 6.0 ROM
I bet you didn't read anything on the open forums and you just asked your humble question...
GUIDE: on this website there is something called WIKI which has all answers to all Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)
I kindly ask the moderators to do 2 important things for our forum to keep it updated:
1- open a new thread and give it the name "SPAQ" (Seldom and Personal Asked Questions) to avoid openning new threads for questions like this one.
2- we have now 258 threads opened for Hermes and that makes searching for a solution never easy unless we delete the dead and inactive threads which exceed the 150 threads... unbelievable, isn't it?
thanks
PS sorry mate, I have nothing against you personally
Wow, it took all of 18 posts to obtain that attitude? I have bookmarked and read over 50 threads. I read the wiki, I read the AT&T HTC forums, I read the Howardforums, Aximsite/MobilitySite, this site and even joined HTC Club.
Many threads, tell you how fast a cooked ROM is or what apps are in the ROM, I don't see anyone saying anything about the performance of the default HTC ROMs besides AT&T ROMs stink. I haven't seen any threads on why some people actually prefer the default to cooked ROMs or vice versa.
Nothing against you, but if searching for a solution is never easy for a savvy veteran like yourself, what makes you think every visitor or new member will find exactly what they are looking for? Even in this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=390603&page=4, you mentioned sticking to the default HTC ROM, you didn't go into details? If you would have just given the reasons why you picked the default ROM, that would have been extremely helpful, instead you assume I'm lazy and went on your soapbox.
I hope you gain some tolerance by your 25th post.
Cheers
I've been running the default 6.0 since November. I've been thinking of going to a cooked 6.0 or 6.1 ROM but have not taken the plunge. I have yet to see one thread regarding any that did not have several "It HR every XXXX days/hrs/min etc.. "
As of now I've had my share of lockups but nothing that a soft reset did not fix. While the AT&T 6.0 may be full of bloat it is the most reliable as I have not seen anyone complain that it Hard Resets.
Hope that helps.
HeyKrop, thanks for the feedback. ExactlyThat was my concern and wondering if the default HTC ROM would be better than AT&T, but not equal to a cooked version.
Right now, I'm leading to HTC's ROM and was hoping to find a definitive difference between that version and any cooked ROM. I'll continue "searching the threads" before making my final decision.
Thanks for taking time out to help a newbie.
(sigh) yes another thread on noob flashing.. guess it's my turn!
Hello,
i've been flashin my hermes for a year now and my advice would be.:
JUMP IN! the water is great my friend.
if your into flashin roms and learning from (experience). This is a good place to be.
There is wonderful talent here in xda, and the share their findings for us to learn and try out.
Don't be scared man! Just flash away!!
I recommend start with stock rom.. the move up to cooked wm6, theeeennn to 6.1's.. by then you should know the in's and outs
of your phone.
check some of the older schaaps roms. also search for my personal fav blackdragon.. he did a masterful job on a wm6 rom.
then graduate to 6.1..
-peace and happy flashing!
also...
If i remember correctly if you do flash the official ATT rom, you can soft reset the device right before the Carrier specific customization begins and interrupt all the att bloat.
I repeat again my dear friend/brother/... I really have nothing against you personally, and I am myself not that expert to answer all questions from everybody. I have a device and I'm trying almost everything on it because I know I'm dealing with software issues and I can reset whenever I want... so no risk at all in "jumping into the water" (thanks Joshkoss) as long as you read the necessary step-by-step guides.
I'm sorry for my intolerance, I surely didn't mean it to be.
PS I'm not counting my posts
Dude,
Come to think of it, When i got my phone, I didn't read one wiki before I started flashing... It's that safe!! Just make sure you have HARD SPL!!
Later
joshkoss said:
Dude,
Come to think of it, When i got my phone, I didn't read one wiki before I started flashing... It's that safe!! Just make sure you have HARD SPL!!
Later
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I remember that I unlocked my phone before having the hard SPL installed and after that I began to read the WIKIs
all htc rom
htc tytn i want htc tytn 200
update rom plz help
farres said:
I remember that I unlocked my phone before having the hard SPL installed and after that I began to read the WIKIs
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he he he he , same here. i also did the same and after i installed hard spl. bcoz i wasn't aware of hardspl and i didn't read the deatils available in wiki section of hermes at that time.
also i agree with josh koss quote "jump in, water is great". i really do agree with him. but in my opinion there are alway some sort of bugs available in cooked roms and they are not perfect but the official roms are perfect and there is rare chance that there will be any bug in it. i've tried many cooked roms of 6.0, 6.1 and 6.5, but rite now i am using official HTC rom from last 3 weeks and i haven't face any problem yet.
but the decision is yours, so cheers
Sorry to waste a thread but I guess I have a point here:
Coming from Hermes and then Kasier communities (and flashing hundreds of SPL/Radio/Rom on my Hermes & Kaiser for many months) I thought that at least I am able to upgrade HardSpl or Radio or Rom on any PDA.
Now I've got my Diamond and entering the Diamond Rom dev I feel as if I've entered a new website.
What's going on here ? Chefs and developers have teamed up together and are divided into various groups competing with each other. Diamond rom dev is not having the cooperative feeling of Kaisr community at all.
There's no unified (bipartisan) thread for HardSpl. Each group is saying that our HardSpl is the best.
I understand that different ROM developers make different roms. But what about HardSpl and Radio ?
ROM threads are turned to Stickys???
Isn't it something new to this community?
Even HardSPl threads (directly or indirectly) direct us to certain ROM dev teams.
Am I the only person confused here ?
What happened to the bipartisan Moderators ABOVE rom chefs ?
In fact, as far as I can see, Chefs have become Mods and this weakens the unified and bipartisan feel we used to see in Hermes or Kaiser ...etc. communities and throughout the entire xda forum.
Is it only me ? Are there any other confused members noticing that Diamond ROM Dev is taking an unusual direction?
I don't know how it was before, but i agree with you. Rom teams are popping like mushrooms and the threads keep getting bigger and bigger. For a newbie like mee i needed a couple of days just to read in to everything because of the lack of clearnes.
If the Rom Chefs just worked together and share idea's than this would be just great. Then it's also easier to make different languages. Now it salmost all the time WWE en nothing more because if someone wants to do that, they loose the competition of the fastest release.
Also the topic starts can be clearer. Enormous pictures, lettersize 18, etc.... does not help. I think there are some moderators needed here that restore order and are not Rom Chefs
you are right
i am "just" a junior member, but if you check my account you can see i am here for a "longer" time.
so..
i came here from ARTEMIS threads and i feel the same as you but i did not want to mention it as a "junior member"
Old, well known, clever and cool guys went mad here in this section..
i am not sure why.
it "threatens me" a little bit, makes a pressure on me (sorry for poor english, i hope you can understand me.) i feel a little bit unconfortable. something like that.
This is why i made an own ROM based on STOCKs (thanks for HardSPL, for everybody who dumped the ROMs, etc..) and useing tweakapps.
(i don't want to use names....):
As i can see the guys who are makeing the tweaking apps are ok, but some of the guys who are cooking the ROMs has changed in this section.
anyway: ALL RESPECT for those who make DIAMOND better!!!!
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I don't know how it was before, but i agree with you. Rom teams are popping like mushrooms and the threads keep getting bigger and bigger. For a newbie like mee i needed a couple of days just to read in to everything because of the lack of clearnes.
If the Rom Chefs just worked together and share idea's than this would be just great. Then it's also easier to make different languages. Now it salmost all the time WWE en nothing more because if someone wants to do that, they loose the competition of the fastest release.
Also the topic starts can be clearer. Enormous pictures, lettersize 18, etc.... does not help. I think there are some moderators needed here that restore order and are not Rom Chefs
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I'm afraid my point was not about lack of multilanguage roms ...etc.
I do NOT even want chefs to work together and make a brilliant rom for ME. The beauty of any Free Society is in its competition , diversity and plurality.
My point was something else - well I guess i mentioned it in my post
Yea I agree . I have been on these forums a while and this is a bit messy and I guess very daunting if you are a newbie.
1) Please Sticky the ROM Threads
2) Please sticky the RADIO Threads
3) Please Sticky the SPL Threads
Oh and please, please, please, lets start pulling our resources together . I love to try out all the ROMS and if we share our knowledge aren't we in a better position to get what we al want . The Pefect ROM !!
I know I'll probably get shot down in flames for this and my software dev knowledge you can right on a postage stamp but I do know about winning teams.
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Is it only me ? Are there any other confused members noticing that Diamond ROM Dev is taking an unusual direction?
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You are not alone.
I Agree...
absolutely agree.
personally i'd like to see one thread of hard-spls instead of 4 haha.. its quite cluttered..
Hear die well
You got another yes behind your remarks- Said but true.
I started with XDA Trion - Moved to TytnII and was pretty happy with the set directions- Mod support -bashing of newbies (myself included).
The Diamond ROM forum is "different":
- Not enough Mod's to have a closer look on garbage posted (Oliver- Mark...you do have my PM's )
- A lot of Newcomer's on the Diamond- a lot of reduntant threads.
- INDEED, confusing HardSPL - ROM signed vs. non signed messages. Pointed out the (smallest) finger to the Chefs already - But hey, we need them! So let's not complain - Competition is not bad bewtween them.
I called it already the "War of the Chefs" in a thread , so let us benefit of it though....---> TOO MANY Roms with mostly spin-off's of one build
I saw a message on BePe's thread from a guy asking for less ROM's but Final ones with bug's sorted out. For sure, no one is forced to Flash anyway, but it just fill's the thread's with 100.000.000 time WOW -Downloading now ! etc.
I believe that it is our duty as older dweilers to support the chefs in terms of newcomers direction set-up. They cook, we taste, we give feedback - advice and we don't ask for too much, cause it is free.
Anyway, again, I follow your reasoning and do hope first of all to see better Mod support on the Diamond forum. I know the guys are under-manned, so they should maybe look into a few new mod's (my time zone is very favorable to clean dirt between Australia and Birmingham - tip)
Cheerio
I do believe that we are only at the beginning of a Forum which will grow a LOT seeing the possibilites the Diamond can offer.
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agreed. i started with Artemis, then TYTNII, now Diamond... and i have to say the Diamond part of the forums is a whole new beast
too many roms, so little time, are people forgetting that they purchased their devices so they can be used... its turning out that they are just being flashed constantly on a daily basis.
back in the hermes days, when roms were developed, updated roms would generally be released on a monthly basis after feedback was collected from peoples experiences with the current rom.
i still peek over here now and then to see whats up and it is a bit of a mess.
well, if the diamond forum is a mess, the touch pro will even be worse once wm7 beta is avail for it.
btw. im waiting for the touch pro and will be developing roms for it, but not wm6.1 roms as the kernel and OS itself is a pos.
I think the problem is the lack of structure. It's hard to tell which rom is new from which dev group. Everything is mixed up. A couple of rom devs started to put the date in front of a post with a new rom. I think that's the first step in the good direction.
Hmmm....
Listening........!
where are the mods
we need someone to tidy the forum up
ceevee369 said:
You got another yes behind your remarks- Said but true.
- INDEED, confusing HardSPL - ROM signed vs. non signed messages. Pointed out the (smallest) finger to the Chefs already
I believe that it is our duty as older dweilers to support the chefs in terms of newcomers direction set-up. They cook, we taste, we give feedback -
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haven't we been doing this in Kaiser & other communities ? just look how attentively we (as a little bit more senior members) try to reply and solve brand-new n00bs in other threads.
this thread is different. how can i help a n00b when i myself am too confused what HardSpl to flash ?
this seems to be the beginnig of a commercial rom movement. it's not mentioned directly anywhere, but throught the whole thread I can hear this loud & clear :
We left things complicated , jumbled and unclear so that if you want to know what the whole thing is about , you pay for it.
I tried to seach "How to Hard Reset Diamond" for an hour. couldn't find anything. it's my personal feeling : it's beginning to get commercial.
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personally i'd like to see one thread of hard-spls instead of 4 haha.. its quite cluttered..
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everybody like to see that. But don't you think there's a reason behind this confusion?
Unlike all the other threads, there's an apparent lack of Authoritative Voice in diamond thread.
i coul'dnt agree more, this forum so so messed up.
Even DEV-teams has split an releasing roms as team members of that dev-team, and another member of that team is filling that thread with content...WHUUUTT, i cant explain it properly so hard is it to understand.
I think we need mods to take control and tidy things up a bit.
My vision of the ideal Diamond forum
Sticky:
- SPL's(soft, hard), just one, not a dev and a signed.(al spl's work great so why have many of them)
- Radio's(thread starter sums them up in order of release date and build number)
- Rulez of engagement for everyone who want to post here
Rest:
- For each rom dev team(or single person) one thread with rom info and downloads and the thread title started with a date.
- For questions and such, search first and then ask(NOOBS)
Ill inform some mods here.
gr
If you've ever been in Kaiser's forum then you'll know what's the diff between many versions of SPL. I dont' see why it has to be one SPL only if others make some differences. JockyW2001 knows better. He's been cracking and modifying SPL versions for Kaisers' users. It doesn't mean that Oli is not a good developer. He's the one who started it. Only that now we have our options. It's not their fault if noobs get into trouble trying to understand all of the purposes.Do you know why? Laziness is not tolerable. Lazy to read...Lazy to search...bla..bla..bla...
Yeah! I like this forum clean but not to the extend of " You should not develope any alternative for us! We already have one here!" Now, go to Kaiser Forum and read. Go to Hermes forum and read. Go to other forums and read. This is XDA-Developers Site
Sorry, I said what I want to say.
Cyphol.
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where are the mods
we need someone to tidy the forum up
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No-one has reported that it is needed.
I am willing to do the job, but I do not have a Diamond and will need some input as to what should be deleted, kept, stickied or whatever the case may be.
P1Tater said:
No-one has reported that it is needed.
I am willing to do the job, but I do not have a Diamond and will need some input as to what should be deleted, kept, stickied or whatever the case may be.
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Maybe a good topic to discuss "downstairs" first..
Isn't there a dedicated mod for the diamond-forums?
Or aren't there dedicated mods for the forums?
Hey everybody,
New user here, I'm on the forum for about 3 day now and i reached page 40 on aplications and themes, i have to say there are some cool stuff your posting here.
I'm also a new user of WM with the HD as my starter's kit (yah I like to complicate my life) and I reached the conclusion..it's windows! it's suposed to be lagqy, get stuck and have al sorts of annoying problems to be fix. I was bumed out for a couple of weeks thinking I should have pick the I-phone but when I saw the commercial for I-phoneS (WOW look what does it DOOOO, IT RECORDS VIDEOS WOW!!!!! IT COPY-PASTE's WOOWW!!! ) I changed my mind, and realized that the HD kicks I-Ps's Ass any time . I'm still not happy about the laggy-nes, as I read in some posts if I flush the ROM and get another one it can get even 20 times faster...is it true? Cuz I was looking at Laurentius26's L26_THD V3.55_WWE_Ultimate [Full Rhodium] and I dont know what to do, if i flush the stock OS do i lose my waranty?
Also it took some time to undestand that manila stuff and why some theme work and some dont(or i think i understand), on my device I have manila 2.0(i think ). Oh, I found one time on another site(cant remember witch one) a theme that i liked very much but for HTC TOUCH, it was called Scrap Paper, does anyone have it for HD or know what I'm talking about.
Oh, and I remember, for a 900$ phone (as it is in my country), they didn't finde a small spot for a flash?! And the headphones are very miserable and low buget (my opinion)! Very desapointed about these 2 things!!! wow I shure wrote a lot, hope you can help me with the rom flashing and the scrap paper theme....sorry if i borde you ..won't happen again
hey there.im also quite new to this forum and this is also my first time using wm.ive had my HD for around four months now.its hard for a newbie to find things anyway it was for me.if ur wondering about fashing check out flashing for dummies in rom development http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=505377 it helped me.and yea u must be prepared to read a lot cos most problems are not new and some one has posted it some where.and if im not wrong the best way is to use the search
10x 4 the tip Sliv
As stated before most issues have been posted before so as long as you search you should be alright. Otherwise PM me and I'll steer you in right direction. Link provided above by sliv for the 'Dummies guide to flashing' is where you shoud post any further queries in flashing.
Try and keep each forum on topic, i.e. this forum is just for themes, applications and software. Any queries on ROM development or rom specific questions/amswers should be posted/found here. If you have a cooked rom on your device you do void warranty, but stock rom can always be flashed back. I suggest you read though thread link provided and the wiki for further info.
Just did a quick search for theme 'scrap paper' and got no results, so not sure its available. However if you ask someone politely who creates themes (lots of theme threads around) they may surprise you and make it . Obviously this depends on who you ask and how nice you ask them...LOL
Hope all this helps
Ta
Rick
do you mean Zitouns Paper theme ?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=465445
I would suggest that the Desire forum be combined with the Nexus One and called Bravo. They are the same device with a couple small variations. Other devices (Universal comes to mind) had hardware variants but were not broken out into 2 sub forums.
-Mc
It's a different phone though, it has Sense UI and more Ram.
It's like the G1 and HTC Magic being the same apart from the Magic having no keyboard... they still have different forums.
Sense UI is a software front end (and ALL variants have different software). And the Universal also has different versions, some with double the RAM of others. It is the same device, same platform, same hardware. Since you can install the Nexus One ROM on the Desire with NO porting, it's the same device. They also have identical hardware specs with the exception of a little more RAM to accommodate Sense and the optical joystick.
The Magic and G1 were completely different in the sense that one had a keyboard and one did not. If the Desire had a physical keyboard, I'd agree with you.
This will do nothing but segment development and resources.
But it is different hardware, considering the 64mb more ram and the missing second mic and the hard buttons instead of soft touch buttons and the optical mouse.
And the porting, i think there was some kind of changes, or why else is there already alpha version 7 when not cause of the bugs?
Is this enough different hardware to give it its own forum?
Also i´m quite sure, that rooting might be kind of harder than on the nexus, or does anybody know something about it yet?
so should the developer versions of Google phones get their own forum? HTC has slightly changed devices throughout it's history but we've never given them their own subforum.
e.g.
The HTC Kaiser has a front facing camera. AT&T's does not. Did the Tilt get it's own forum?
The original Universal had 64MB of RAM. The updated T-Mobile version has 128. Did it get it's own forum?
The HTC 620, 621, and 622 had differences, one didn't have WiFi, the others did.
The HTC Wizard is different enough between some versions that if you flash a ROM from one on to the other, it will kill it.
Some devices have Sense, some do not. Should they get their own forums? And what happens if the ones that didn't suddenly get SenseUI in an update. Do they lose their own forums?
Look, I don't own XDA and those that do can certainly do what they want. But I've gone through the FCC documents and looked at the ROMimages between the two. They are the same device with differences exactly like the examples I used above (and there are many more). Segmenting the two only hampers development efforts.
-Mc
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The HTC 620, 621, and 622 had differences, one didn't have WiFi, the others did.
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Not only that, but the S640. Telus only device, different chasis then those, CDMA, but some people were saying it should be lumped in with the other 6XX line.
I don't know about you but the HTC Sapphire Forums is littered between 32A and 32B ROMs.
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I don't know about you but the HTC Sapphire Forums is littered between 32A and 32B ROMs.
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Agreed... N1/Desire should be kept seperate!
Especially since they probaly do not share hboots and radios... So keeping the forums seperate minimizes risks of people flashing wrong stuff (as was seen on 32A/B quite often)
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Agreed... N1/Desire should be kept seperate!
Especially since they probaly do not share hboots and radios... So keeping the forums seperate minimizes risks of people flashing wrong stuff (as was seen on 32A/B quite often)
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They DO share hboots and radios. They are the same phone. That's my point. Next, we'll start new sub forums for different case colors or carriers or logos or...
If they share radio/hboot they can flash the same ROMs without porting? If that is so, they should have the same section in my opinion.
The partition layouts are different on the devices. So no...you cant just take a rom from one and have it work straight away.
People have managed to get Desire Roms running on the n1, but they had to move system data to the data partition to do so.
The Desire is also unlikley to be rootable via unlocking the bootloader. If we put both devices in one section it would just confuse the nooblets.
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If we put both devices in one section it would just confuse the nooblets.
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Man if we used THAT as a compass around here, we'd be better off closing the site entirely. You can confuse them no matter what you do. Again, look at the Universal threads. Different RAM sizes but both versions lived happily ever after in the same forum. This site was NEVER intended for newbs. It shouldn't. If it did, most of us would leave.
How much do you guys wanna bet that many ROM's will be made in Nexus1 and Desire flavors. How many LITE ROMS have you seen on XDA? A lite ROM will work on either device without ANY porting or special mods. Why not have them in the same thread/forum?
I think if their roms are cross compatible, why not have the development sections mergered? They could have separate sections but once some1 clicks on development for N1 or Desire they are lead to the same page.
yes this could be the best as i see it. there are differences, radio buttons etc,,, there might be other differences for general question etc. but if the two of them have the same structure for roms then maedhros suggested the best, why not having them into one development section!
if any1 can proove for me that they share the exact same spl, radio and partition layout then im on it! as it could be the last extra rams that have been used for the /system partition else i think it is like mixing up da hero and sapphire as they are close, but biggest difference is software based
I agree that If the 2 are proved to be identical in development terms upon the desires release, then the forums could be merged, with perhaps a couple of stickies at the top explaining what you need to do to root the phone before you can use the roms. However this should not be done until this proven conclusively on a released phone.
IF roms that can be used on both devices using the same unlocking techniques become a reality, i will take this suggestion up with administration.
(But that won't be soon)
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Man if we used THAT as a compass around here, we'd be better off closing the site entirely. You can confuse them no matter what you do. Again, look at the Universal threads. Different RAM sizes but both versions lived happily ever after in the same forum. This site was NEVER intended for newbs. It shouldn't. If it did, most of us would leave.
How much do you guys wanna bet that many ROM's will be made in Nexus1 and Desire flavors. How many LITE ROMS have you seen on XDA? A lite ROM will work on either device without ANY porting or special mods. Why not have them in the same thread/forum?
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This is an absolute appalling comment. Condescending and unhelpful. Everyone has to start at some point and a vast silent majority of people visit the site to learn and root... Unless one can prove that you cannot harm one of the devices by using a ROM for the other, the threads should be separated, even if it cost a few duplicates...
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This is an absolute appalling comment. Condescending and unhelpful. Everyone has to start at some point and a vast silent majority of people visit the site to learn and root... Unless one can prove that you cannot harm one of the devices by using a ROM for the other, the threads should be separated, even if it cost a few duplicates...
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You either took it wrong or are being a troll. XDA is a developers and hackers forum. We are all newbs at some point but this forum isn't designed for the newb. It's designed for the hacker/developer. I'm not ripping on newbs for being newbs. Hell, I'm a newb again as I just got my AT&T Nexus One yesterday - my first Android phone. But I'm reading and searching and won't have a reason to ask a question for quite some time. All of the information is already here on XDA. Newbs are welcome but we expect them to SEARCH and READ before asking a lot of questions. Some do, some don't. But if we dumbed down the forum, it would ruin it. There'd be so much crap to wade through and so many duplicate threads it'd be too time consuming to do so. THAT was my point.
Maybe we should have separate Desire forums for the silver version and a separate forum for the charcoal version. That should help, right? Because newbs who don't read are going to ask over and over if the ROM being discussed will work on their particular color of Desire. And that won't make anything confusing, right? Some ROMS posted in one forum and some posted in the other (just like the Desire vs. Nexus One). People will continually ask if the ROM will work on their device because it was in a different forum.
And FYI, you can harm the device just as easy using the correct ROM on the same device, or by running a simple command, or... If they read everything before they start, they will have no problems. If they don't read, well, we can't hold their hands.
This forum is catered to experienced hackers. We will help newbs through every part of every process, but this is still a forum for experienced hackers. If you don't like that, find a place that spoon feeds or does things for you. And if this place ever turns into a forum that spoon feeds and everyone asks to do things for them, most of us will surely leave. Then who will help them?
the question is why not?
Why is it important to you to keep them in one section? are you thinking about server space utilizing ?
I mean what is the harm of making them in separate sections (what is the harm to you)?
i don't know if it's just me or is the Desire coming to an end. yeah i know it's been around for 18 and a bit months but many developers are leaving or have left.
I'm wondering if i should be moving along also. i have cooked many a rom for the awesome ones available from coolexe, leedroid, miui, insertcoin and cyanogen but development is slowing and there is only so much you can do to this phone.
i have wasted so much of my time with the phone much to my girlfriends annoyance
but the new sense 3.5 roms and even the 3.0 roms are just too slow for my liking.
Never less the desire forums on xda and all the other android forums must have set world records for the amount of development and threads that there are. and people involved.
i guess people will keep making and porting roms to the Desire like what has happened with the Hero, and what linux can do to an old windows computer, and this phone deserves it. but as i type this i feel a small lump in my throat and a tear in my eye that my Desire will be added to my draw of other phones.
R.I.P Desire!!!
I agree the newer sense roms are slow and I think development here will slow to a trickle.
However, like the Hero, I envisage long term AOSP development until the device just cant take it any more.
Yeah the aosp will keep it going for a while as i can't imagine phones changing too much over the next few years. Especially HTC as they seem to be set in their ways.
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Ha. Horncastle. My Parents are in Wragby
Lol, sounds like you did the right thing and moved away. The internet is shocking here so takes a while to download the roms. Especially if you're in a flashing mood.
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Please use the Q&A Forum for questions Thanks
Moving to Q&A
Fair enough. But it wasn't really a question. Maybe a little rhetorical.
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Hopefully Desire still lives for long time.
If it was the fastest smart phone in the market it wouldn't be a challenging task to make it run smooth
It can easily be kept smooth. But not to the future standard. There is always the need for the most up to date software. What happened to the 3310 lol
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Development does seem to slow down. Though nowadays people seem to misunderstand the difference between developing and cooking. Every Tom, **** and Harry seems to take a good ROM, change an hboot here, remove a couple of apps there, and zip it up with the kitchen and release it. Anyone can. No knowledge is needed either. But that ain't development. It's cooking. It just needs knowledge as to use a simple kitchen script.
And has any new development happened after the Data2sd development by Sibere, ownhere et Al? No sir. It's boring. I too am thinking of getting a new handset and moving on.
By the way, we do deserve a developer chat thread within development thread. I hope to take it up with MikeChannon. Development is not all about ROM releases. It's also about collaborating and asking, which means questions too, under the Dev thread..
TouchPal-d from my Desire running Supernova Extreme Rom - 450 apps and counting. .
Droidzone said:
Development does seem to slow down. Though nowadays people seem to misunderstand the difference between developing and cooking. Every Tom, **** and Harry seems to take a good ROM, change an hboot here, remove a couple of apps there, and zip it up with the kitchen and release it.
And has any new development happened after the Data2sd development by Sibere, ownhere et Al? No sir. It's boring. I too am thinking of getting a new handset and moving on.
By the way, we do deserve a developer chat thread within development thread. I hope to take it up with MikeChannon. Development is not all about ROM releases. It's also about collaborating and asking, which means questions too, under the Dev thread..
TouchPal-d from my Desire running Supernova Extreme Rom - 450 apps and counting. .
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Agreed, I wish we could strip out the clones a bit. Thing is some have gone through dsixda kitchen and selected each option. Then they're xda "recognised developer"s. Kind of brings the meaning of the label down IMHO
Noticed you're using supernova....im assuming that's the gingerbread extreme version?
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Sexywacko said:
Noticed you're using supernova....im assuming that's the gingerbread extreme version?
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Using? He is the dev
Lol....put my foot in it there. I did think wow someone mentioned sibere.....don't hate me.
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Droidzone said:
Development does seem to slow down. Though nowadays people seem to misunderstand the difference between developing and cooking. Every Tom, **** and Harry seems to take a good ROM, change an hboot here, remove a couple of apps there, and zip it up with the kitchen and release it. Anyone can. No knowledge is needed either. But that ain't development. It's cooking. It just needs knowledge as to use a simple kitchen script.
And has any new development happened after the Data2sd development by Sibere, ownhere et Al? No sir. It's boring. I too am thinking of getting a new handset and moving on.
By the way, we do deserve a developer chat thread within development thread. I hope to take it up with MikeChannon. Development is not all about ROM releases. It's also about collaborating and asking, which means questions too, under the Dev thread..
TouchPal-d from my Desire running Supernova Extreme Rom - 450 apps and counting. .
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450 apps and counting.. I dont even have a quarter of it
He has 450 apps? That is outrageous.....lol Im going to have to go through app brain and market and see how many I will use. Yet alone even look at.
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I've had my Desire since April time last year and have only recently discovered the whole XDA rom scene. Seems a shame that I seem to have found out about all this towards the end of the Desire's life.
There are some great rom's (and dev's) on here that have given my phone a new lease of life but it's a bit sad to know that some of the dev's are moving on to the newer handsets. Guess next time I'll know where come a little earlier in the phones lifecycle
Anyway...
Seeing as I'm getting due to move phones some time soon, what would be your suggestions of where to go next where the dev's are giving good support? What would be your suggestions on the next step on from the Desire?
Sorry to hear you've left it this late. But there are plenty of roms that you can try before you decide to move on. Without sounding like a an ass kiss. ...supernova is best for stock desire, you have miui, or many of the aosp like CM7 or gingervillain.
I think some have gone to sgs2 or sensation. Haven't heard much about the new line of xperias or read about them. Not sure about the any motorolas apparently they're shipping with unlocked bootloaders.
If you're new to the forums, have you s off your phone. You don't need to with supernova but the CM7 or oxygen hboots are popular with other roms.
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Yup. Both sensation and sgs2 threads have attracted the good devs from all the device threads.
TouchPal-d from my Desire running Supernova Extreme Rom - 450 apps and counting. .
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450 apps and counting.. I dont even have a quarter of it
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That's with 648 MB still left.
TouchPal-d from my Desire running Supernova Extreme Rom - 450 apps and counting. .