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Hey everyone,
This is my first post as I'm entirely new to these forums. For the last week I have still been setting up my HTC Evo, and have really enjoyed getting familiar with the new system.
I switched over after being an iPhone user for the last 3 years, and I am glad I made the switch when I did. I absolutely love my phone.
I have done a lot of Googling, and reading on this website, but I was hoping someone could provide some clarity.
My Evo is fully flashed and rooted, and I'm now looking for ROMs. From my understanding, a ROM is flashing like how I put a modchip in my XBOX, which lets me get cool new features, skins, etc.
My concern is I'm reading that a lot of ROMs are missing 4G, or FM radio, etc. I don't want to lose any features. There are some I wouldn't mind losing, but I am an IT Admin so I use pretty much everything.
I am excited for Froyo, and I want to make the best choice. I am a technology buff, I like testing new features. I'd like a ROM that has all the cool stuff, but is stable.
Another issue I haven't been able to solve is Manlla. I'm not getting anywhere on this issue. It seems like I can't find the correct files for my software which is as follows:
Firmware Version: 2.1-update1
Baseband Verson: 1.36.00.04.02
Kernel Version: 2.6.29-a2443432
Build #: 1.32.651.6 CL171253 release-keys
Software: 1.32.651.6
So from what It looks like, is I went from 1.47 to 1.32 when I used the full root method?
Again, my questions were:
1) Which ROM offers many features, stability, but doesn't leave capabilities out?
2) How do I get Manila installed?
I know some ROMs such as EnergyROM have them built in, are there others?
I do plan on being an active members here, and helping others as well. Please be patient while I get in the groove!
Thanks!
phew, there are so many different roms to choose from that the only suggestion I can make is to look at the dev's thread on the rom. The first post should tell you what does and does not work.
Some of the top roms I have heard of is Fresh, Damage Control, and one of the 'baked' roms (baked snack or pastries, can't remember)
You can always flash a stock rooted rom, which will ensure you retain all of the features.
The reason your build went down is because during rooting you have to flash an engineering rom, so that is what brought your version down. Any custom rom you flash will have the newest build incorporated so that is nothing to worry about.
As for manilla, I did a quick google and saw references to HTC Sense but I do not know if thats what you meant by it. If so, then Sense should be on any custom rom that is not AOSP, or a stock rooted rom. If this is not what you meant by manilla then let me know and I am sure I can find the answer for you
You could always flash a newer stock rooted ROM if you want the 1.47 update. Otherwise, there are a couple of new 2.2 ROMs being released right now, and lots of discussions about different ROMs, what they have and what they lack, and how they perform. Head down to the Development forum and you'll get more info. Lots of people gripe about threads being in the wrong forum, so discussion topics go here, questions and requests go in Q&A, and ROM info is in the Development section.
TularePC said:
Hey everyone,
This is my first post as I'm entirely new to these forums. For the last week I have still been setting up my HTC Evo, and have really enjoyed getting familiar with the new system.
I switched over after being an iPhone user for the last 3 years, and I am glad I made the switch when I did. I absolutely love my phone.
I have done a lot of Googling, and reading on this website, but I was hoping someone could provide some clarity.
My Evo is fully flashed and rooted, and I'm now looking for ROMs. From my understanding, a ROM is flashing like how I put a modchip in my XBOX, which lets me get cool new features, skins, etc.
My concern is I'm reading that a lot of ROMs are missing 4G, or FM radio, etc. I don't want to lose any features. There are some I wouldn't mind losing, but I am an IT Admin so I use pretty much everything.
I am excited for Froyo, and I want to make the best choice. I am a technology buff, I like testing new features. I'd like a ROM that has all the cool stuff, but is stable.
Another issue I haven't been able to solve is Manlla. I'm not getting anywhere on this issue. It seems like I can't find the correct files for my software which is as follows:
Firmware Version: 2.1-update1
Baseband Verson: 1.36.00.04.02
Kernel Version: 2.6.29-a2443432
Build #: 1.32.651.6 CL171253 release-keys
Software: 1.32.651.6
So from what It looks like, is I went from 1.47 to 1.32 when I used the full root method?
Again, my questions were:
1) Which ROM offers many features, stability, but doesn't leave capabilities out?
2) How do I get Manila installed?
I know some ROMs such as EnergyROM have them built in, are there others?
I do plan on being an active members here, and helping others as well. Please be patient while I get in the groove!
Thanks!
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My vote is for all of them. You really need to try the roms yourself. Clockwork and Amon Ra make it easy enough to switch back and forth. Back that nand up
Read, in the development section, the sticky posts at the top of the section. They should be of some assistance in getting you more up to speed. Don't ask people to make up your mind for you, but you could list important things you're looking for and if other members of the forum have any suggestions.
I may be wrong, so don't take this at gospel, but I think you might need a couple more hardware flash updates to being you up to current. I know there was a radio and 4g flash update here a few weeks back. That's the ones I'm talking about. I just recently tried out calklin's (probably spelled his nick wrong, sorry) stock rooted rom based on the newest update of the 1.47 one. Sorry I'm being so vague, I'm doing this from memory. I have CRS, can't remember ****!
Anyways, that stock rooted rom was a nice one, imo. It seemed to behave itself quite well and not give me any snafus to speak of. I was impressed with it's stability and yet had the advantage of having root. You gotta crawl before walking, so this is my suggestion for a good rom to start with and start learning the world of android, imo.
Sorry. I know I tend to ramble. It's my over-compensation for being so quiet in real life.
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Rom
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=712695
Wimax and radio updates
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=715485
I used those and have had no problems. I like/use clockworkmod recovery. Search rom manager in the market. That's probably the easiest way to flash a recovery, I think...
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I recommend Backed Snacks 9.7 or DamageControl 3.2.3. Fresh is the most popular rom, but I think it is vastly overrated.
herbthehammer said:
I have CRS, can't remember ****!
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I hope you don't mean Congenital Rubella Syndrome.
jerryparid said:
I recommend Backed Snacks 9.7 or DamageControl 3.2.3. Fresh is the most popular rom, but I think it is vastly overrated.
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Why do you think that?
I also recommend Baked Snack. Just checked my battery time yesterday and after 14 hours off charger I still had 76% battery left. Damage is another great one that I have used. A few mire features over baked, but not as good on battery. I had good luck on Fresh too, but switched to based and have never looked back.
Stay away from froyo roms for now. No 4g, BT broken on some, intermittent exchange support, and other issues make it not stable enough for everyday yet. And while it is fast, I do not see enough of an improvement to lose the stability and features of the 2.1 eclair roms.
Most of all, try them and have fun doing it. I have been at this for a month now, and I am enjoying everyday of it!
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Manila allows new themes for HTC Sense, which is something I really wanted to do. I jailbreak my iPhone mainly for the reason of custom themes.
The thing is from what I've read, it appears as if it doesn't support my software? I'm not entirely sure.
As far as capabilities, I'm not sure what I'm looking for. I have read the threads and forums, but it seems to be overwhelming so I was trying to get some advice to see which ones I should pay more attention to. A friend sent a link earlier, and it helped clarify what exactly the ROMs are - I'm just concerned about functionality.
I don't want to flash the rom and lose wifi, or 4g, etc. As far as additional capabilities, I don't know what I would utilize. Battery performance of course, but mainly I want custom themes lol.
SilverZero said:
I hope you don't mean Congenital Rubella Syndrome.
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Heh I think he meant Can'tRememberShit
I am ready to dive in with the Unrevoked3 method to root my Desire, I take it I will then be able to load a custom ROM, however I'm a little overwhelmed by the choices. Is there a comprehensive list somewhere or can someone make any suggestions? I'm after stability and reliability although I am interested in what the whole ROM scene has to offer.
I presume that all my paid apps will still work as well?
i would stick to the rom you are using because if you have to ask that question, you haven't done enough research, if there was a single answer to what rom to use, then there wouldn't be so many around
so the final answer is, stick to the stock froyo that you've got already, there's nothing to be gained from other roms considering you didn't specify what it is you were looking for
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bamboo12 said:
you haven't done enough research .. you didn't specify what it is you were looking for
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I thought I said I'm after stability and reliability, and also app2sd+ in particular. Does that help?
Yes I am doing research, this question is part of the 'research' process. Thanks for your help.
DroidBois said:
I thought I said I'm after stability and reliability, and also app2sd+ in particular. Does that help?
Yes I am doing research, this question is part of the 'research' process. Thanks for your help.
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Your way of research really puzzles me looking at the bold parts in your OP below.
I take it I will then be able to load a custom ROM, however I'm a little overwhelmed by the choices. Is there a comprehensive list somewhere or can someone make any suggestions? I'm after stability and reliability although
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- Yes, you should be able to flash a custom rom, if you can follow the instructions.
- There is no comprehensive list, the number of rom's and the changes are to large to keep it up to date, or do you offer to create one
- suggestions will tell you to use rom a, b, s, or z, depending on the users preferences. The only thing you can do is to read the rom description, and start skimming and following the rom's which description you liked.
A thing you left out, and what is normally mentioned in a question like this, do you prefer sense or non-sense?
To finish: I use LeeDroiD V2.1 and I am happy with it, it's stable / reliable, and it's Sense based.
Now just wait for the OD, DeFrost, Pays, Cyanogen (just some examples) and other rom users to give there opinion,
and then decide
^^ pretty much what he said!!
No one can tell you what to use, only give their opinions. Ultimately you'll have to read the threads and just try the ROMs until you find one you're happy with. I've gone back to stock as it does what I need it to
i just love when dudes get all condescending as if they were never overwhelmed when they first started out. first they yell at you and infer that you're an idiot and then 4 posts later, they wind up actually helping.
i guess it's like hazing for nerds.
seriously though, i'm gonna answer all your questions right here and now:
go with CM6. then download another one and try it. then download another one and try it. and then... come back here and tell us what your opinion is. you know, pay it forward and don't become one of those condescending dorks after you have figured it all out.
that is all. i'm going bowling with your father...
anotherdroid said:
i just love when dudes get all condescending as if they were never overwhelmed when they first started out. first they yell at you and infer that you're an idiot and then 4 posts later, they wind up actually helping.
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Well, when you don't get out much and you don't have many friends.. We should be more sympathetic to 'special needs' people.
Anyway, I'm on AuraxTsense now (check my sig for full details). I like the concept of undervolting for extended battery life, however before I dive in to ROMs, what can cause damage? I will avoid overclocking ROMs for that reason, anything else to watch out for?
What's the advantage of Cyanogen over others? I also read that Modaco ROMs are designed with stability in mind.
Is there any way to back up settings to restore when switching ROMs? Or should I just back each one up with all my settings and use that?
In the last week or so I've tried at least
- Cyanogen
- PirateRUM
- Some PAYS Sense one
- OpenDesire
- ShadowSense
+ another 1 or 2 I forget now
with Alex-V's one still to try.
The main thing I'd say is:
- Do you want Sense?
- Do you want GApps and other fluff preinstalled?
Try them and see...
Personally
- I like OD but it needs the Sense music player
- CM has no market, and I have not worked out how cutdown it's GApps package yet to remove fluff
I have been using cyanogenmod 6 for a few days now.
And im not going anywere anytime soon
However, like they say, try em all
Aurax is rocking my boat right now although struggling to work out how to install Maps..
What do you like about Cyanogen?
The ui is good. It just works. Try out for yourself. Painless to install. Ohh and the battery performance is alot better then the stock rom
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Try MildWild V-4.8 Based on Oxygen 2.3.2 it's gr8 ROM
faraon83 said:
Try MildWild V-4.8 Based on Oxygen 2.3.2 it's gr8 ROM
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???
Wow you just dug up a 2yr old thread!!
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He needs 10 posts...
Dude... reply to the newer threads. At least november 2012.
Now, I'm an android noob. I have noticed that there are several different [ROMS] for the G2, but I am not sure which one works the best, or is the best. I have tried reading what they have, but I get lost in the technical mumbo jumbo like streamlined or deoxied or whatever, and kitchen and prebaked...
Can you guys give your opinions on which [ROM] you guys use / think is the best, and why?
You should stick with stock.
Try them all and see what fits you best, each rom has perks over other roms.
Really the first step is rooting then backing up your stock rom and finally flashing different roms to see what you like. Id start with a sense rom so you can see the differences in layout and features.
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Its all a matter of peronal preferance. I personally like the sense roms but I also like cyanogen's ROMs. Sense is a memory hog but its got cool features while stock and cyanogen roms are fast and stable. So there really isn't any "best" rom per say...but go root ur phone and try em all till you find one u like.
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Next let's start a thread that says [Q][Help] What should my favorite food be?
Really, it's all a matter of preference. Is there any specific feature about having root that you want over stock? Perhaps you want to avoid the tethering charge or to theme it up some. If that's all you really want to do, stick with a stock,rooted, deodexed rom. If you love having lots of options and new settings and to have better performance, try cyanogenmod. Does stock android not satisfy you? Maybe you want a sense rom. Or maybe you want a sense-based expresso rom. The only person that can decide what is best is you, the user. What you need your phone to do is different than anyone else. Oh, and welcome to XDA, the place where dreams are possible, boundaries are broken, and questions end up in the development forum.
Yeah personally I'm a fan of Cyanogen but you can try any of them out. But just so you're aware, there will be many many more ROMs soon enough, we haven't even had perm root for a month yet
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If you are new to the whole scene, you should just sit back and wait right now, and be paitient. Every non-stock ROM out there right now has lots of issues.
We will have more stable versions of the Desire Sense ROMs and of course the CM stable ROM soon.
It's fun to experiment, though. Just perm-root, do a NANDroid backup, and flash away. You can always revert back to stock.
The most functional and stable setup I've tried so far is Stock with OTA, perm-root, and bacon bits. I'm also overclocked at 1.497GHz with no issues. Everything just works, and is lightning fast.
I'm also new to the android world and am curious as well. I get lost when reading and trying to understand exactly what's being talked about. Me, I'm looking for having great battery life and remove some of these stock apps that I'll never use and I dont like looking at. Is a ROM basically a copy of another phones UI?
That's what i'm wondering about too.
I believe they should make a thread with all the roms.
I want a rom with HTC sense that is based on Android 2.2 (froyo?)
If you want a fast rom that's stock but doesn't have all the bs bloatware.. then root your g2, over clock to ~1ghz and get root explorer and you can go into system/apps (I think) and delete the apks you don't use.. which is what I do. Therefore your on stock froyo, quicker and less bloatware.. if you want a stock froyo sense rom then try our modacos rom.. it has a kitchen (basically you can use this to pick what apps you want installed in the rom and which you dont) I haven't tried the virtous rom yet.. but I don't doubt its great.. like someone already said.. if your new you should wait till more roms come out. Focus on learning about perm root(theres a video out there) and how to do the basics like overclocking(there's a video somewhere too)... then move from there when we have more developed roms. Even thou cyanogen is very stable and runs well.
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Cyanogenmod-6.1.0-RC1 is the best
convolution said:
That's what i'm wondering about too.
I believe they should make a thread with all the roms.
I want a rom with HTC sense that is based on Android 2.2 (froyo?)
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Here's some advice dog, hopefully from reading my story you will have a better grasp of what's the best way to tackle your new android phone.
I started with the g1 sometime back in 08 which stayed stock until I decided to dunk it in the local river on a date (bad one at that), didn't even know you could modify those phones at that time. Picked up a cliq xt and discovered about what root meant (even thought I didn't REALLY understand). After rooting the phone via adb (very scary as I had no experience) and flashing a rom (lucky I didn't brick the ****) I decided I needed to read more..not just about the xt but about other phones and android period. At that point in time all I had was Modmymobile.com which was scarce as far as knowledge goes due to small developer base (can't blame them). After sucking up all I could I started cruising forums dealing with other phones and decided to get a captivate. The captivate was cool, but was still very new. After bricking two captivates (due to ****ty hardware lock) and tired of dealing with bad att coverage I came back to tmobile and picked up the vibrant. I'll tell you this I had FUN with the vibrant in spite of not having froyo, the vibrant guys have a strong deveolper base and Eugene is a very bright developer along with the guys at Team Whiskey. Sadly, TouchWhiz and no hardware keyboard pushed me to talk to tmobile about the g2 in which they offered me one via straight exchange. The root hassle ensued and I read more and more. Here I am today!
Basically, I read. Like..alot. And when I didn't feel like reading anymore, I would find a new android topic to read on. This didn't come without consequence though, as stated I bricked two captivates ( actually my fist vibrant along with a second g2). Don't be afraid to jump into adb, just be smart about it.
You'll also be surprised at what you learn from cruising the other phone forums too.
On that thought, a Bible thread like the SGS guys have would be sweet!
-Cody
shady503403 said:
If you want a fast rom that's stock but doesn't have all the bs bloatware.. then root your g2, over clock to ~1ghz and get root explorer and you can go into system/apps (I think) and delete the apks you don't use.. which is what I do. Therefore your on stock froyo, quicker and less bloatware.. if you want a stock froyo sense rom then try our modacos rom.. it has a kitchen (basically you can use this to pick what apps you want installed in the rom and which you dont) I haven't tried the virtous rom yet.. but I don't doubt its great.. like someone already said.. if your new you should wait till more roms come out. Focus on learning about perm root(theres a video out there) and how to do the basics like overclocking(there's a video somewhere too)... then move from there when we have more developed roms. Even thou cyanogen is very stable and runs well.
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I just installed the Virtuous ROM and it works great. As for Oc'ing, I don't think I'll need all the processing power. Not like I'm encoding videos or anything. I don't wanna waste the batteries. I COULD underclock it...
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What are the criteria for judging ROM? What make's one better than the other? If I have like 10 roms all featuring the HTC Sense... What makes 1 more superior than the other, other than subjective feel, ie: "It runs smoother", or, "It runs faster and is more stable."
Are there any definitive proof with numbers? Anything we can use to test ROM performance, akin to Quadrant testing phone performance?
you will get different quadrant scores on different ROMs, the only best ROM is the one you made, or whatever ROM you decide to use
convolution said:
I just installed the Virtuous ROM and it works great. As for Oc'ing, I don't think I'll need all the processing power. Not like I'm encoding videos or anything. I don't wanna waste the batteries. I COULD underclock it...
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I actually get BETTER battery life since overclocking...go figure.
Awww. I want a definitive concrete, scientific method of measuring the performance of the ROMs. I'm pretty happy with the Virtuous FastBoot... From off to up and running was like 3 seconds...
@ post above
you be trolling.
mejorguille said:
...welcome to XDA, the place where dreams are possible, boundaries are broken, and questions end up in the development forum.
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HAHAHAHA...dude, you just made my new sig...and I'm sorry I know my post has no meaning...
Ok here's some info: OP you need to read this. Even if some of it is "technical mumbo jumbo" I'm sure you'll get the point: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=838484
Also do your flashing from recovery. Always backup before trying new things. And for best performance, wipe between roms...
all i could get form that is don't mess with hboot and install rom via recovery...
so does that mean as long as I use ROM manager I'm safe?
and I apologize
Fixed:
mumbo jumbo-> Jargon
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Hey folks,
This is a very basic DL17 rom. It has been debloated, debinged, rooted, deodexed, and zipaligned. Does NOT include radio or kernel.
Download link:
http://www.mediafire.com/?wdv53fbgl18988i
This should serve as a decent base for folks to build their future roms.
Credit to bubby323 for providing me the DL17 system dump.
credit to Logan302 for testing in IRC.
Patch
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http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2056318/update-template/email_continuum.zip This should fix email issues.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2056318/update-template/social_apps.zip Social apps.
use at your own risk. I am not responsible for anything you do to your device!
DD
Tested it, and it worked absolutely perfectly my market its even working again xP bonus
Thank you so much for your time and effort! xD
Thanks for sorting out the issues with the syslinks.
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Flashed this, This morning and it works awesome. I also flashed the test kernal you provided a week or so ago and its working great together.
Thanks for this.
Well just noticed some sort of bug on my phone at least.
When i try to add a facebook account to my ticker it fails and when i click on adding an email to my ticker it locks up my phone and i have to pull my battery. It doesnt even get me to a enter email and password screen.
Honestly to me its not a big deal im not a big facebook or email guy so it doesnt bother me.
Also i was wondering if you knew if any of the themes for the fasinate will work for this? I doubt it just wondering.
Fascinate themes must be ported. I'll look into the facebook and email issue fi possible.
Patch added for email.
adrynalyne said:
Fascinate themes must be ported. I'll look into the facebook and email issue fi possible.
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Any idea how i would go about porting them?
There are theme porters out there. I'll get some input from others.
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Any idea how i would go about porting them?
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There are theme porters out there. I'll get some input from others.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=932856
the theme porters that are out there...well they most just copy images with the same (or very similar) file names over one another...the post i linked above is my horribly incomplete but still useful attempt at helping people get into themes for the fascinate.
all the tools neccessary are linked in the posts there.
since the fascinate dj05/dl09 update appears very similar to dl17 porting our themes shouldnt be difficult image wise...however there are several xml changes that must be made (especially for black menus)
if anyone is really interested in starting to theme for the continuum look through the above thread and feel free to pm me here with questions or hop into the fascinate irc...im usually in there during the week throughout the day...or others im sure can help too
i had briefly thought about throwing a theme together for the continuum for fun right before dl30 (froyo) leaked...but now i have too much on my plate reporting stuff
While posting an Android ROM, can you guys PLEASE mention what Android version it is? Is this Eclair or Froyo? 2.1, 2.2, 2.2.1...which version? DL17 might explain everything to a developer but not to a user who just wants to flash a ROM on his system and needs to know what Android version it is before actually flashing it.
With all due respect, if you aren't familiar with the naming convention, i.e. don't know what DL17 means, you have no business flashing a rom (until you do). You are gonna end up breaking your device.
2.1Update-1 is the only OS currently available for this device. So.. labeling is a bit redundant right now.
Hey, you guys made the news...
http://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-continuum-sees-its-first-custom-rom
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adrynalyne said:
With all due respect, if you aren't familiar with the naming convention, i.e. don't know what DL17 means, you have no business flashing a rom (until you do). You are gonna end up breaking your device.
2.1Update-1 is the only OS currently available for this device. So.. labeling is a bit redundant right now.
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Thanks for your response and the clarification and with all due respect, the standard naming convention for Android operating systems is in the format of Android <version number> <dessert codename>. I have been flashing ROMs to several devices before there was any Android and have been doing so on a dozen or so Android devices that I have for the past 6 months as well as guiding others in doing so by writing about it - I write about these for a living.
However, one can't be expected to know all about these non-standard or manufacturer-specific ROM naming conventions for all the Android devices out there and unfortunately, I do not have every single device available to test the ROMs on before I write about them. That is why just a few words by the developer in the OP mentioning what Android version it is make things a lot easier for many of us, plus there are several users who are just starting at the flashing business and it makes things more clear to them as well on what they are getting into. Simply saying that if one doesn't know about these non-standard conventions, one shouldn't be trying these things out is similar to saying if one doesn't know how to swim, one shouldn't be getting into the swimming pool. No offense intended. =)
All that being said, keep up the good work - I really appreciate all the hard work you guys put into what you do. Please don't take my comments as a flame - they are just my views on how things can be improved for a lot of us just by a tiny bit of effort from you guys. =)
It is well known that the continuum only has 2.1. Therefore unless there was a 2.2 leak for it (which would be noted) it can be assume by any reasonable person that its a 2.1 rom.
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It is well known that the continuum only has 2.1. Therefore unless there was a 2.2 leak for it (which would be noted) it can be assume by any reasonable person that its a 2.1 rom.
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Agreed but 'well known' can be relative =) What's well-known to the developer community for a particular device might not be well-known to many who are coming across the flashing scene for the device in question for the first time, despite their prior experience with other Android devices. And as leaks are not out of the question either, just adding two words about the Android version just makes things a bit more clear for everyone, that's all I meant to say.
Coverage
Here's some more coverage for you:
http://www.addictivetips.com/mobile/install-clockworkmod-recovery-on-samsung-continuum/
&
http://www.addictivetips.com/mobile/install-dl17-clean-rooted-android-2-1-rom-on-samsung-continuum/
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Agreed but 'well known' can be relative =) What's well-known to the developer community for a particular device might not be well-known to many who are coming across the flashing scene for the device in question for the first time, despite their prior experience with other Android devices. And as leaks are not out of the question either, just adding two words about the Android version just makes things a bit more clear for everyone, that's all I meant to say.
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That goes back to this:
adrynalyne said:
With all due respect, if you aren't familiar with the naming convention, i.e. don't know what DL17 means, you have no business flashing a rom (until you do). You are gonna end up breaking your device.
2.1Update-1 is the only OS currently available for this device. So.. labeling is a bit redundant right now.
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If you don't know what OS your phone is already running, or how they're doing the naming convention, you are likely going to cause yourself massive problems soon. If someone can't figure out About Phone to compare build versions, they likely can't figure out how to get CWM on their phone to even flash this, so it doesn't matter if the OS version is in the title. Once Froyo drops, then it may be different, but until then, you have a very thin argument at best, regardless of how many ROMs you may or may not have flashed in the past.
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That goes back to this:
If you don't know what OS your phone is already running, or how they're doing the naming convention, you are likely going to cause yourself massive problems soon. If someone can't figure out About Phone to compare build versions, they likely can't figure out how to get CWM on their phone to even flash this, so it doesn't matter if the OS version is in the title. Once Froyo drops, then it may be different, but until then, you have a very thin argument at best, regardless of how many ROMs you may or may not have flashed in the past.
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In my experience, not knowing the device-specific naming conventions has never bricked any of the dozens of devices I have flashed, as long as I have known that it is a ROM meant for the particular device in question. However, knowing what Android version the ROM is based on without having to ask only makes sense. This isn't about this one device in particular - the Android scene isn't similar to the iPhone scene where there is just one developer (Apple) rolling out just one OS for all the devices on the market. Android is quite fragmented and I believe simply mentioning the Android version with the ROM regardless of whether any other version is out *yet* or not only makes sense as one never knows when a newer version or a leak might be available.
It is all for the purpose of keeping things as clear to someone at first glance, as possible. Now I do know that no other version but this one has been out for the Continuum but that has been after this discussion. All I am requesting is that the OPs should consider mentioning it with the post so that even a newbie wouldn't have to ask for information as basic as this.
What I fail to see here is why this simple, rather humble request should be seen as such a debatable topic by you guys, when it doesn't even require much effort. Heck, all it requires is typing 'Android' followed by the version number. Is it asking for too much?
Okay, this is getting really off-topic and degenerating fast. There are plenty of other threads saying what DL17 is so just hopping out to the Android Development forum would have answered your question. That said, Android ROMs do often include the version, but not always.
It's not that big of a deal. Let it go.
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I'm still new to this device. I'm having issues figuring out which kernels go to which version of GB and ICS.
Which Kernels will work on EL29 only?
Which ones will work on ICS and GB (EL29)
Why are kernels and Recovery mixed together? Why not make it simple to understand and locate?
EL29 Kernel ver 1.3.3 GB only - Example. Now I know I can't use this on ICS, only version EL29 of GB. Oh and it's a Kernel.
Not a recoveryIcsv13.3..3.3kerneldotninerwtfz0rz.tar.zip. That makes it confusing.
Anyone able to offer any clarity or an decoder ring so that I may understand this better?
If want to try a new kernel for EL29 GB, I can't because I have not farking clue if I'm getting one with a recovery, if it's GB or ICS only etc.
If I want to try an ICS kernel, but use it on GB, I'm lost because I thought they weren't compatible but people are apparently doing it.
Also, recoveries. "Don't use hitman" seems to be the theme. Along with Touch CWM being another issue.
Rogue Recovery is hitman? or hitman is hitman?
While this phone is superior to the Evo3D, at least the development wasn't a greek VCR manual from 1928.
Zzzz
sounds like you need to do a lot more reading before you mess with this phone.
This Forum was always for Developers, not for Newbies, so its organized with that in mind..
there are other forums you may want to visit as well, where they cater more to novices; or, just do the smart thing, and don't mess with your electronic devices unless you are 99.99% sure you know what you are doing
Read and read and then read some more.....Samsung puts recovery in kernel nothing we can do about that ....most kernels will have a recovery in them ..these leaks are different right now...they are using ics 3.0 kernels on ics but not on GB ....the people you have seen are taking the radio fb21 etc .... Read and be safe don't be a brick
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wase4711 said:
sounds like you need to do a lot more reading before you mess with this phone.
This Forum was always for Developers, not for Newbies, so its organized with that in mind..
there are other forums you may want to visit as well, where they cater more to novices; or, just do the smart thing, and don't mess with your electronic devices unless you are 99.99% sure you know what you are doing
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+1 This is a dev website. Go over to Android central or rootzwiki if you have questions like this...and ask for Bubby (sorry i couldn't resist...lol)
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You all basically told me I'm dumb.
lol. k.
not at all, man...we've all been where you are at, and have realized that until we had the knowledge to be able to tweak our phones properly, we had to read, learn, and, read some more.
Isn't it better to know this stuff BEFORE you do something to break your phone?
I mean, you wouldn't want a surgeon to operate on you until he was sure he knew what he was doing, would you?
Its no different with this stuff; you'll be much happier if you build your knowledge about this thing before you go messing with it.
Its no reflection of your intelligence, its just a statement of fact about your current abilities as they pertain to this phone..
You may be a Mensa for all we know!!
If you are going to respond to a post already, answer the fing questions. You are already putting the effort in of typing. This is the best site for this **** don't tell him to go somewhere where there more ppl like him who do not know what hey are talking about. Always with this elitist sh*t.
well, since you seem to be a know it all, why don't YOU answer them?
at what point during my post did I indicate I know it all?
All the stock and stock repacked GB kernels can be mix/matched between the different stock GB releases. They will NOT boot for an ICS ROM.
All the stock and stock repacked ICS kernels can be mix/matched between the different stock ICS releases. They will NOT boot for a GB ROM.
By "work" I mean they boot and data works. Beyond that, you'd have to experiment to see if what you care about works to your expectations. In general things will work, but I obviously don't test everything, and the combination Samsung/Sprint tests is matched kernels and ROMs.
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If you are going to respond to a post already, answer the fing questions. You are already putting the effort in of typing. This is the best site for this **** don't tell him to go somewhere where there more ppl like him who do not know what hey are talking about. Always with this elitist sh*t.
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at what point during my post did I indicate I know it all?
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Your smart ass reply above is where..
and, this site is NOT for noobies to break in their teeth on development
I don't care if you agree or not; if you feel you want to answer his questions, then do itl otherwise STFU..
I'm buying this phone today. Coming from a NS4G. Now, I'm no noob when it comes to rooting/flashing/modding...however...the development for this device and the way you have to go about doing things with it are waaaaaay different. And I will agree with OP: it is confusing reading through some of this stuff, even for people with experience. But I also agree with some of the others: don't root or go beyond that until you have a good understanding of what you are doing.
As XDA has been very good to me I can say that the Nexus crowd is way more helpful to noobs, apparently.
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HareyCarey said:
I'm buying this phone today. Coming from a NS4G. Now, I'm no noob when it comes to rooting/flashing/modding...however...the development for this device and the way you have to go about doing things with it are waaaaaay different. And I will agree with OP: it is confusing reading through some of this stuff, even for people with experience. But I also agree with some of the others: don't root or go beyond that until you have a good understanding of what you are doing.
As XDA has been very good to me I can say that the Nexus crowd is way more helpful to noobs, apparently.
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its really only different if you are flashing LEAKED, non official roms..
The problem is that too many noobs with no idea what they are doing, don't want to spend anytime learning what they are doing, and hear about these ics roms, and just gotta have them..Then, they start flashing crap that they have no idea about, brick their phones, they post stuff all over the place, begging for someone to rescue them RIGHT NOW...
Its like getting behind the wheel of a car, with out taking drivers ed, or practicing, only bad things are going to happen if you do that..
There are tons of helpful folks here, with hundreds of "thanks", and thousands of posts, so obviously, there is a ton of cooperation and help going on here..
It just gets old, really fast, when 20 people ask the same question about a leaked, not even beta rom; and, to make it worse, the answer is usually a few posts ahead of theirs, or in the OP..
Too many people feel this sense of entitlement here lately, and, for those of us who are always helping, always offering our assistance, it gets pretty old sometimes..
Obviously, you know what YOU are doing, and, you at least took the time to get a basic understanding of your phone..plus, you've obviously read through these threads, and realize that it is a bit different to flash stuff on this phone.
Thats more than quite a few of the noobs here have taken the time to do..
Some people rely on others before they rely on their selves. That isn't always so bad, but I know it gets old. I probably won't mess with my Galaxy until I find exactly the ROM I want with everything working and I understand Odin a little better...the NS4G was sooooo simple...it's like they were begging you to root it. It was like get fastboot and adb then type a few things and boom, it's done. This is a bit more complicated and there isn't just a recovery you flash and leave on your phone to flash everything else(as far as I know)
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Some people rely on others before they rely on their selves. That isn't always so bad, but I know it gets old. I probably won't mess with my Galaxy until I find exactly the ROM I want with everything working and I understand Odin a little better...the NS4G was sooooo simple...it's like they were begging you to root it. It was like get fastboot and adb then type a few things and boom, it's done. This is a bit more complicated and there isn't just a recovery you flash and leave on your phone to flash everything else(as far as I know)
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well, actually there is; there are actually 2 different ones, depending if you are using a "released, el29" type of rom, or one of the "leaked" ICS type roms..
The conventional roms all have recoveries baked into them, so its simple to go into recovery, and flash other stuff
the ICS leaks are different than that, and can be a pain to flash back and forth
My friends with Nexus phones all agree with you on how much easier it is to flash stuff on their phones; I guess its all in what you get used to!
You'll love this phone, that I guarantee you!
wase4711 said:
Your smart ass reply above is where..
and, this site is NOT for noobies to break in their teeth on development
I don't care if you agree or not; if you feel you want to answer his questions, then do itl otherwise STFU..
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I believe you started with the smart ass remarks to the op.
wase4711 said:
STFU..
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take your own advice if you have nothing to contribute.
PS. This site is also not for TOOLS...explain yourself!
good luck getting help from anyone here,
adding you to my douchebag list...
VoX_XDA said:
I'm still new to this device. I'm having issues figuring out which kernels go to which version of GB and ICS.
Which Kernels will work on EL29 only?
Which ones will work on ICS and GB (EL29)
Why are kernels and Recovery mixed together? Why not make it simple to understand and locate?
EL29 Kernel ver 1.3.3 GB only - Example. Now I know I can't use this on ICS, only version EL29 of GB. Oh and it's a Kernel.
Not a recoveryIcsv13.3..3.3kerneldotninerwtfz0rz.tar.zip. That makes it confusing.
Anyone able to offer any clarity or an decoder ring so that I may understand this better?
If want to try a new kernel for EL29 GB, I can't because I have not farking clue if I'm getting one with a recovery, if it's GB or ICS only etc.
If I want to try an ICS kernel, but use it on GB, I'm lost because I thought they weren't compatible but people are apparently doing it.
Also, recoveries. "Don't use hitman" seems to be the theme. Along with Touch CWM being another issue.
Rogue Recovery is hitman? or hitman is hitman?
While this phone is superior to the Evo3D, at least the development wasn't a greek VCR manual from 1928.
Zzzz
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sfhub said:
All the stock and stock repacked GB kernels can be mix/matched between the different stock GB releases. They will NOT boot for an ICS ROM.
All the stock and stock repacked ICS kernels can be mix/matched between the different stock ICS releases. They will NOT boot for a GB ROM.
By "work" I mean they boot and data works. Beyond that, you'd have to experiment to see if what you care about works to your expectations. In general things will work, but I obviously don't test everything, and the combination Samsung/Sprint tests is matched kernels and ROMs.
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Rogue Recovery is the recovery made and used by Team Rogue. Hitman Kernel is a kernel that Team Rogue put out with CWM Touch. That kernel is perfectly fine to use with any GB rom. The big issue is using Rom Manager and flashing a recovery from there, thats a big nono unless you like bricks.
Most kernel threads (i believe all of them actually) state wether they are Gingerbread or Ice Cream Sandwich, either in the title or within the first 3 posts.
Like everyone says, read. True true read and you'll learn but how much he learn if all he reads is "READ NOOB"? I dont know everything but if you have questions feel free to pm me and I'll try to help you as best I can.
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steindog99 said:
+1 This is a dev website. Go over to Android central or rootzwiki if you have questions like this...and ask for Bubby (sorry i couldn't resist...lol)
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This is a community website, you don't have to be a dev to be on here or to mod your phone. How many members actually contribute by developing? 8%? That being said, you really do have to put in the reading/learning time. When you know what you're doing then you can ask specific questions for help that can be answered. Just my 2cents
Im just gonna say even for experienced modders/devs who have been doing this for a while (4+ years for me) this phone is quite confusing at first, i started hacking palm, treo family then pre, then moved to android with an intercrap i mean intercept, then the og evo, and now the et4g and the first day i was in this forum i was scratching my head like a lost kid looking at a chinese subway map. the setup of this phone in particular and the "codenames" are wayyyyyy different than the evo so i was lost for a few hours til i read thru a few ops and familiarized myself with all the new terms, but then again i have years of experince with phone modding and 2 decades experience with linux and windows coding and it was still like my first day of latin class with this phone having had a samsung device previously(intercept) did help with odin and such as it was similar to louziffers hacked swupdater for the intercept but if i was coming strictly from the evo i think id still be lost trying to root this phone
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