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[Q] any rom with data2ext

Hi all,
I want any sense rom with data2ext because then i got many MB free for apps.
How do i do this and is the speed acceptable?
Thank you!
Nick

easy:
1. root(if you havent already)
2. format sd-card with ext partition(like with a2sd but mybe a bit bigger partition)
3. install any rom with data2sd installed
and from my experience, no the speed is not acceptable. You will be much better off using a2sd+ which also gives you plenty of space..

mortenmhp said:
easy:
1. root(if you havent already)
2. format sd-card with ext partition(like with a2sd but mybe a bit bigger partition)
3. install any rom with data2sd installed
and from my experience, no the speed is not acceptable. You will be much better of using a2sd+ which also gives you plenty of speed..
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yeah ok.
but i want many apps installed.. likely big games. and some games MUST be installed to the phone.. so with 10 apps my phone is fully full.
i always got like ~130mb internal.
but i want data2sd cause then you got many many mb free for apps.
+ when i installs an app and move it to my sd ext. it still leaves something on my internal memory wich takes space. so apps2sd still takes quite much space on internal memory.
so you all got this problem?

You are not understanding the difference between a2sd and froyo apps 2 sd. The last one being the one, where you can move apps freely.
The oldstyle a2sd+ moves both apps and dalvik cache to ext, so even though it says you have only gotten 130 mb, it will fill up very slowly. I myself have around 100+ apps installed including google earth and some games, and i have no problem..
edit: and no you cant move apps to ext. The app2sd in froyo is moving them to a special folder on the fat32 partition, while the oldstyle a2sd+ have the /data/app and /data/dalvik symlinked to the ext-partition, so apps will always be installed to ext using this method.

mortenmhp said:
You are not understanding the difference between a2sd and froyo apps 2 sd. The last one being the one, where you can move apps freely.
The oldstyle a2sd+ moves both apps and dalvik cache to ext, so even though it says you have only gotten 130 mb, it will fill up very slowly. I myself have around 100+ apps installed including google earth and some games, and i have no problem..
edit: and no you cant move apps to ext. The app2sd in froyo is moving them to a special folder on the fat32 partition, while the oldstyle a2sd+ have the /data/app and /data/dalvik symlinked to the ext-partition, so apps will always be installed to ext using this method.
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ok so i took leedroid.
and posted this in his thread:
hi all,
i got the apps2sd version.
and i got ext3 876MB.
But at the first page it says: lots of free internal memory! on the apps2sd version.
but i only got 133 mb internal mb free.
So i dont think thats much?
cause my apps cant move to sd.
some can but not all games.
so my space is limited and i really need much internal memory!!!
please someone help me!
Greetings,
Nick
EDIT: and how can i check if my apps and dalvik cache are thruly on my sdext?

OMG!
Please read my post over again.....
a2sd works by symlinking some folders to your sd-ext partition. This will NOT mean that your system will measure plenty of space. Just that those 2-3 folders will not take up space on the /data partition, so installing apps only leaves a little bit of data and thus only decreases the free space a tiny bit. 2 see this better try installing "quick system info" which will let you see how much of the sd-ext partition is used. Then go install a lot of apps and see, if this fills your phone. It should not(only a2sd storage in quick system info should be filling up).
and to check, if they are there, install an app like root explorer and check /system/sd which should show the folders present on the sd-ext partition("app","app-private" and "dalvik-cache")

Are you using a2sd+ at all or are you manually moving apps to SD via application manager?
data2ext still has not matured enough with relatively high risk of data loss atm. I have no doubt the devs are working hard on it, but it is not ready yet to go mainstream. AuraXTsense sported data2ext in 8.1., yet it has returned to good ol' a2sd. It simply is not stable enough.
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mortenmhp said:
OMG!
Please read my post over again.....
a2sd works by symlinking some folders to your sd-ext partition. This will NOT mean that your system will measure plenty of space. Just that those 2-3 folders will not take up space on the /data partition, so installing apps only leaves a little bit of data and thus only decreases the free space a tiny bit. 2 see this better try installing "quick system info" which will let you see how much of the sd-ext partition is used. Then go install a lot of apps and see, if this fills your phone. It should not.
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oke thanks man!!
trying now

erklat said:
Are you using a2sd+ at all or are you manually moving apps to SD via application manager?
data2ext still has not matured enough with relatively high risk of data loss atm. I have no doubt the devs are working hard on it, but it is not ready yet to go mainstream. AuraXTsense sported data2ext in 8.1., yet it has returned to good ol' a2sd. It simply is not stable enough.
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I dont know. just the leedroid 2.3b A2SD version.

Check my edit in the other post on how to check, if the folders are moved probably

[Q] Question on Internal Memory

I have a rooted HTC Desire (Partial root using unrevoked, phone is still S-ON). Now I have about 148 MB of Internal memory for installing apps. I recently installed Move 2 SD Enabler which force-moves apps to SD card (even if they dont have move2sd enabled by default). I moved most of the large footprint apps like Twitter (5MB) to SD card.
Problem is, even after doing that I have only 27 MB free. My question is this: Does the 148 MB of memory also include all system data? Technically that should be a separate 'partition' right? And if its not in the 148 MB then what is it thats taking up so much space? I have about 25-30 apps installed most of which are on the SD card and most of those are under 1 MB in size.
This has really stumped me. I have a somewhat advanced knowledge on my phone, so I would appreciate responses keeping that in mind
Thanks.

The normal partition layout is 250mb system partition and a 147mb data (internal) partition. The system partition is completely filled up if you use a sense rom. If you slim down the rom (remove some system apps you don't need) you can move some stuff from data to system but the easiest is to use a custom rom with A2SD+ if you have space problems.
If you don't have that much apps installed your space is probably taken by: browser, contacts, mapps or some other cache.

Thanks for the response. I kind of like my Sense ROM with a custom launcher - so I dont really want to move to other ROMs. I kind of ran some cursory math and there is no way everything would add upto to 120 MB. I guess I'll just have to live with it. And wait till I buy my new Android with a larger internal memory.

The dalvik cache and normal cache (browser and some apps) takes a big part of the internal memory.
Also there are plenty of sense (both stock desire and HD/Z) roms with A2SD+ so i don't get your point of not wanting to change rom.

Thanks for clearing that out about dalvik and normal cache. I didnt know they take so much space. About Apps2Sd+ I am kind of confused with all the terms floating around out there. Are you referring to Apps2Ext? If thats the case then I dont want to do it because I have a class2 SD card and I am in no mood to invest in a Class6 SD card - and I dont want to end up frying my class 2 card with ext, etc.
Or is Apps2SD+ the feature where-in you can move ANY app to SD card whether the app has built in support for SD card or not... (of course the widgets wont work in that case.) If this is what these ROMs have then I will definitely move to one of these ROMs
Would appreciate your feedback on this and also if you could suggest any good sense-ROMs - The only one I know is LeeDroid.
Also would a titanium restore on a custom SENSE rom mirror my previous ROM? or will there be broken apps?
Sorry for so many questions

similar situation here, only about 20mb of apps installed yet even moving all I can to the sd I'm left with just 20mb internal memory using a 2.2 ruu, somehow missing 100 mb even after clearing cache etc
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I'm talking about A2SD+ (the one with the ext partition). The class of the sd card does not really influence performance, at least i didn't notice it when using it with the sd card that comes with the phone, so class 2 will work.
The chance of 'frying' your card during partitioning is minimal and the ware on the sd is not really a issue with the modern cards, but I can't guaranty that your card won't be affected.
For custom rom's look trough this thread under Sense roms.
Your best bet is Leedroid or AuraxTSense depending on the look you like.
A titanium backup (if done right) will restore all you apps and app data on the new phone, i believe widgets on the home screen will also be restored but i can't remember. I don't know about wireless settings, email accounts ect. because i don't back these up, but if it's green in titanium it should work. Just to be sure make a nandroid before changing rom's so that you can revert.

you can flash custom Hboot alpharev S off method i am having oxygen hboot with 338 mb for data using a2sd further i allways have more than 100 mb internal space.
this is the best method availiable
also oxygen rom is best stable Gingerbread rom.

Changing hboot is the best option for you (also form me) but not overall the best option. People who want to stick to sense need the big system partition. So S-offing and changing hboot doesn't help much.
Just like every "best option" this depends on personal preferences and if you want minimal changes from stock rom, A2SD+ is the best way.
Also changing hboot is a much riskier method and should only be done once you understand better what you are actually doing.

[Q] RcMix/insertcoin a2sd vs cm7

hi, i was just wondering if someone can tell me the benefit of cm7 over a2sd please, im S-OFF so no problems changing, but just wanted to know the differences. and also which is better, insertcoin or rcmix??
cheers.

I think I read a possible speed increase with cm7
Different system partition sizes..
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ok so what the big deal about the system partition being bigger.. what does that mean in real world case?

In the a2sd apps and dalvik are on sd because there is no much space
In cm7, apps are on SD ,but dalvik cache is on internal.
Dalvik is the virtual machine that runs on android to provide that java environment(behind that is Linux). Also internal memory is faster on read/write even from a class 10 SD card. That way we take advantage of the internals speed , which makes the Rom a lot faster. Also since the ext partition is used only for apps, there is more space available for more apps than a2sd
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dexter93 said:
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In cm7, apps are on SD ,but dalvik cache is on internal.
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Cm7 does not officially support a2sd. Even if you have an ext partition on sd card, you also have to run a special script or program(strange issues occur here sometimes). This is why it's recommened to have cm7 hboot when you run cm7 rom, because with cm7 hboot you do not need a2sd because of the big /data partition.
Furthermore, as far as i know the difference between a2sd and a2sd+ is the following:
a2sd: only apps will be moved to sd card
a2sd+: apps and cache will be moved to sd card.

dexter93 said:
In the a2sd apps and dalvik are on sd because there is no much space
In cm7, apps are on SD ,but dalvik cache is on internal.
Dalvik is the virtual machine that runs on android to provide that java environment(behind that is Linux). Also internal memory is faster on read/write even from a class 10 SD card. That way we take advantage of the internals speed , which makes the Rom a lot faster. Also since the ext partition is used only for apps, there is more space available for more apps than a2sd
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So. if we're in cm7, it would defeat the purpose if we use mcr scripts to move dalvik cache to sd? It's just that I noticed an increase in internal storage space. Is that not a good thing?

MatDrOiD said:
Cm7 does not officially support a2sd. Even if you have an ext partition on sd card, you also have to run a special script or program(strange issues occur here sometimes). This is why it's recommened to have cm7 hboot when you run cm7 rom, because with cm7 hboot you do not need a2sd because of the big /data partition.
Furthermore, as far as i know the difference between a2sd and a2sd+ is the following:
a2sd: only apps will be moved to sd card
a2sd+: apps and cache will be moved to sd card.
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that is true indeed, but insertcoin gb cm7 used a2sd while the stock hboot uses a2sd+. I was talking specifically for these roms , not for cm7, but the cm7 hboot gingersense roms

[Q] Phone showing low internal storage but app2sd+ partition has plenty free

I'm using app2sd+ on my Desire with the Leedroid ROM. The ext3 partition on my SD card has over 500MB free space yet my Desire still reports low internal storage - 6MB and at one point last week it was completely full, ie. apps stopped syncing data as they couldn't write to the storage.
I have taken the SD card out of the phone and mounted it on my Linux computer to see how much space it's using:
Code:
/dev/mmcblk0p2 836M 245M 549M 31% /media/f74d2438-5eb6-4570-9ee3-fae2f7e5ef74
(where 549M is free space)
Code:
du -sh /media/f74d2438-5eb6-4570-9ee3-fae2f7e5ef74/*
105M /media/f74d2438-5eb6-4570-9ee3-fae2f7e5ef74/app
2,0M /media/f74d2438-5eb6-4570-9ee3-fae2f7e5ef74/app-private
122M /media/f74d2438-5eb6-4570-9ee3-fae2f7e5ef74/dalvik-cache
Anyone know what could be causing this, and how to get the phone to see how much space is really there?

Basically check if the android has moved any apps to the sd cards fat 32 partition by going to manage applications/SD card in settings
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This why I dont like app2sd.

It has moved a handful of apps to the FAT32 partition on the SD card. But I don't understand why - I have tonnes of space on the ext3 partition that I created for app2sd+, why does it not see that space?
(I didn't want to use app2sd+ either but I have no choice due to the crappy amount of internal storage on the Desire)

It does it automatically so just move as much apps back to the phone as possible then run the a2sd reinstall command
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reaper7881 said:
It does it automatically so just move as much apps back to the phone as possible then run the a2sd reinstall command
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what command is that out of interest?
also some apps automagically try and set themselves up to install to the fat32 partition - annoying... perhaps google should implement a way to choose where you want them installing, but i guess they think they are catering for the majority...

Once u have moved thwdpps from the fat 32 to the phone that command reruns the a2sd script movring app the apps on the phone to the extra partition
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Sorry I don't understand. If I try to move those apps back to the phone (internal storage) it won't let me because it claims there's not enough space available.
However as I showed in my first post there's plenty of free space on the ext3 partition on my SD card. That ext3 partition is supposed to be used by app2sd+ to extend the internal storage.
I'm not sure what a2sd reinstall has to do with it - I'm not using a2sd I'm using app2sd+ (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=7473663&postcount=3)

shankly1985 said:
This why I dont like app2sd.
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This has nothing to do with a2sd+ script per se. I'd call that a bug in Leedroid implementation.
reaper7881 said:
It does it automatically so just move as much apps back to the phone as possible then run the a2sd reinstall command
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Leedroid uses cyanogenmod script. You are talking about Darktremor's, so this won't work.
Lothaen said:
perhaps google should implement a way to choose where you want them installing, but i guess they think they are catering for the majority...
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You have this option in Spare parts for a year or so. I noticed it for the first time in October last year. But it only works for those apps which had hardcoded Froyo a2sd (fat32) capability.
Op, where is your davlik cache? Download diskusage and check what happens. With some 90 apps & stock hboot you should have some 90mb internal. I have about that with my setup from the sig and my 130mb davlik is on /data.

Hi,
In Diskusage->Appstorage shows 319MB for data and 314MB for Applications.
In /data Diskusage shows 132.9MB of data.
I have 5.04MB free internal storage.

reluctantwinmouser said:
I'm using app2sd+ on my Desire with the Leedroid ROM. The ext3 partition on my SD card has over 500MB free space yet my Desire still reports low internal storage - 6MB and at one point last week it was completely full, ie. apps stopped syncing data as they couldn't write to the storage.
I have taken the SD card out of the phone and mounted it on my Linux computer to see how much space it's using:
Code:
/dev/mmcblk0p2 836M 245M 549M 31% /media/f74d2438-5eb6-4570-9ee3-fae2f7e5ef74
(where 549M is free space)
Code:
du -sh /media/f74d2438-5eb6-4570-9ee3-fae2f7e5ef74/*
105M /media/f74d2438-5eb6-4570-9ee3-fae2f7e5ef74/app
2,0M /media/f74d2438-5eb6-4570-9ee3-fae2f7e5ef74/app-private
122M /media/f74d2438-5eb6-4570-9ee3-fae2f7e5ef74/dalvik-cache
Anyone know what could be causing this, and how to get the phone to see how much space is really there?
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Can you Please Post Questions in the Q&A forum Thanks
Moving to Q&A

I am tired searching months for solution... my Internal memory always comes to 10MB or less.
I have:
HTC Desire with LeeDrOiD GB V3.0.8.2 Bravo
Hopefully it use AP2SD+ right
My Titanium backup says:
System ROM: 262 MB (19,2 MB free)
Internal: 158 MB (16,1 MB free)
SD card: 7,23 GB MB (25,8 MB free) ... this is not problem, I just need to erase bunch of mp3, etc...
SD caRD (a2sd): 697 MB (508 MB free)
LeeDrOiD GB V3.0.8.2 Bravo - Nice room, a bunch of unusefull apps but small, probably not big deal.
I prefer my own apss:
music - Mixing
calendar - Busssiness calendar
RealCalc
ES File Explorer
TeamViewer... Alots of them use soo many Internal memory.
Nimbuz.. Also take too much
A long time ago I have erased flash app... Easy live with that. Always fighting with Google earth update to get it right - to have enough memory before update...
LOVE HTC Desire, but that memory... As you can see I am moding user, like to have my apps and right setup.
TO eassy it, to find solutions for me, some more info for you:
I was thinking about to get different ROM.
I think I can live without Sense - using Mail widget and news widged.. but I think it can be raplaced with other market apps... I liked go launcher EX, but didnt have memory space to play with it - therfore it was erased.
I was reading something about HTC allow more freelly deal with this HTC desire memory problem... Didnt find solutions yet.

The 'solution' I found was to sell my Desire and buy a Samsung galaxy 2.
The internal storage on the Desire is just too small for many users, and the complicated and unsupported hacks to expand it with SD card storage are buggy and error prone.

reluctantwinmouser said:
The 'solution' I found was to sell my Desire and buy a Samsung galaxy 2.
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I support this solution!

Yes, I was thinking about that. But I was choosing/looking for my phone soo hard and thinking that this is RIGHT form me... Unofrtunatelly I forgot about memory... My first touch screen phone... (right screen size.. not to big, not too expensive, but new technology- something better, good forum support...) I think you understand.
It is a bit hard for me to buy new one soo early. But I will have to.
OK, I take this as solution.

I ma strongly thinking about to get small or the smallest room which I can get...
Maybe Cyanogen
Any recomendations?

Redux 2 or dGB
Sent from my Redux 2 Desire

Smallest rom you can get right now is dGB. It uses only 60 MB of /system.
SwiftKeyed from dGB with Transparent XDA App

Yes, I am going to try each one.
.. Just need to findout about backups ... if Titanium backup will do all the thing (app + setings)
I have no idea where did I found this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1045824
Does it worth a try?

danielson84 said:
Yes, I am going to try each one.
.. Just need to findout about backups ... if Titanium backup will do all the thing (app + setings)
I have no idea where did I found this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1045824
Does it worth a try?
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Titanium or My Backup will do thing.
It is worth of trying and I recommend it if you want Sense ROM but you need good sd card. I had some lags so switched back to Redux 2.

[Q] How to 1gb internal storage HTC Desire using HBOOT CM7/r2 with Aces V4 Rom

Hi
I have installed the Aces V4 ROM on my HTC Desire (HBOOT CM7/R2) and I have run out of internal storage when installing apps from Market. I didnt experience this problem when using V3 of Aces for the same number of apps installed.
This is what I have done:
1) Wiped everything
2) Formatted SD Card
3) Partitioned SD Card (Swap 0, ext-3 1024 mb), rest FAT32
4) Run Alignment_Cool_2.zip to change ext-3 to ext-4 and then re-align ext-4
5) Flash Aces V4 Rom
6) Flash Gingercakes0.8b_bfs Kernel
7) Installed weather_pack_new
What do i need to do to get 1gb of internal memory? I've read up a bit on data2ext but not sure if that's the right thing to do because I can only a CM7/R2 HBOOT version of the Aces v4 rom.
Many thanks in advance,
Shaximinion.

I dont think you can have a 1GB Internal memory on the HTC Desire. It only has 512mb i swere?

No you can there is stuff on data2ext have a read it partitions part of your SD Card.... but i cant find any clear guides on how to do it with the Aces V4 rom....

Hi all
I have now resolved the Low Internal Memory issue by flashing A2SD.KD after flashing the rom. Takes ages to become stable on first boot but then runs perfectly - and fluidly with Gingercakes v0.8b Kernel
Shaximinion

Hellllpppp!!!
I have a desire running CM7.1 and i only have 50 mb of space left. I am 100 percent sure about what i am doing and I was wondering if you know of a simple method to gain more internal memory. I partitioned my sd card already (I think it is ext3) but my phone isn't seeing it as internal memory, which was the whole point of my partitioning it. It is really frustrating because the desire is an excellent phone, its just the storage that lets it down.
Thanks
Mark

marcusarelius23 said:
I have a desire running CM7.1 and i only have 50 mb of space left. I am 100 percent sure about what i am doing and I was wondering if you know of a simple method to gain more internal memory. I partitioned my sd card already (I think it is ext3) but my phone isn't seeing it as internal memory, which was the whole point of my partitioning it. It is really frustrating because the desire is an excellent phone, its just the storage that lets it down.
Thanks
Mark
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the phone won't see the ext partition as internal memory by default, so will remain at 147MB if you're on stock hboot. to use the partition with CM7 i believe you can flash an A2SD script such as darktremor (even afterwards it won't 'increase', the system is fooled into thinking apps are on internal when they are actually on the ext partition).
i found reading this useful
to actually increase the internal memory, you can flash a different partition table (requires S-OFF), or use a data2sd script where the ext partition is actually mounted as part of internal memory