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[Q] Reasons for flashing a new radio

Hi All,
I have a rooted Desire HD with Radio S-OFF and ENG S-OFF. I am running the latest Gingerbread Coredroid ROM on the UK T-Mobile network.
The radio on my phone is Radio_12.28b.60.140e_26.03.02.26_M.
I have no issues with signal strength, wifi, etc.
Is there any benefit to flashing my radio to the latest recommended one: Radio_12.28e.60.140f_26.04.02.17_M2_SF.
I have read all the threads an know how to do it, I am just not sure what the benefits are and whether they outweigh the risks.
Thanks
Andrew

If your present radio is working fine without any problems I wouldn't recommend flashing the new radio

Hi idlefrog
Is there any benefit to flashing my radio to the latest recommended one: Radio_12.28e.60.140f_26.04.02.17_M2_SF.
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I am not going to be of much help yo you other the to say, Why not ask the recommender as to why they recommend it?
Take Care
TheQuest

I was in same boat had a no probs with my radio but when i flashed leedroid i decided after a week to flash radio aswell and iv noticed battery and speed differences? Pays to flash recomended radio and it only takes 2 minutes
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snowwhite007 said:
I was in same boat had a no probs with my radio but when i flashed leedroid i decided after a week to flash radio aswell and iv noticed battery and speed differences? Pays to flash recomended radio and it only takes 2 minutes
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+1, just bear in mind if your not radio s-off and it all goes pear shaped you may not be able to downgrade

Thanks for your replies.
Well my curiosity got the better of me and I flashed the radio. I used the method described in this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=896597
I had a problem at first getting the "adb reboot bootloader" with an error message coming up saying "adb server is out of date. killing...". The answer was to kill adb.exe in task manager. It all worked fine after that.
I will have to wait and see if I notice any difference. I have a full strength signal currently.

My understanding is that the radio firmware manages and controls the wifi, bluetooth, cell radios and other low level hardware functionality.
When someone designs a ROM, it makes sense for them to pick a radio and stick to it unless they have obvious issues, as a different radio version can introduce a wide range of variables into how the phone runs.
So, there may not be anything better or worse with an different radio (although with some there definitely are) but the point is, your experience with the ROM should more closely match that of the designers.
That generally means faster, more efficient, and if you have any bug reports, they'll be taken far more seriously.

I've been running the new radio for a few days now and no problems at all. I honestly can't say I notice any difference in the signal strength, but in collaboration with Coredroid V4 the battery life seems very good.

Kernels?

HI, i am new to this coming from iPhone..i have the AOKP rom for my atnt galaxy s3. I am wondering what is the deal with kernels? like what is the use of them? i am guessing the rom comes with it, but should i load the kernal like this one here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1756776
thanks

Kernals can change how the phone performs severely as well as add features. They can also affect battery life, speed, and how smooth your phone is.
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Thank you for asking, and thank you for answering. I was also wondering this and was about to start my search here.

ScudMuffin said:
Thank you for asking, and thank you for answering. I was also wondering this and was about to start my search here.
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glad i am not the only one

crash822 said:
Kernals can change how the phone performs severely as well as add features. They can also affect battery life, speed, and how smooth your phone is.
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so for example since i am running the AOSP ICS rom, and there is AOSP kernel available for download, so i get that? and what is the order of installation? since i already have the rom installed and been using it

I suggest you stick to the kernel the rom's include until you understand fully what it is.

So to add to this, I learned many ROMs include a kernel. We don't always have to go out, install a ROM and a Kernel. In most cases it is if someone made some custom tweaks to a ROM kernel or stock kernel that you would reflash it. Please correct me if I'm wrong, still reading and learning.

To use a car analogy, I think of the phone hardware as the mechanical parts of the car, the ROM as the electrical system in a car and the kernel is the computer taking all the signals from the electrical system and telling the hardware what to do. Rooted ROMs can take advantage of connections already built into the phone but maybe turned off or disconnected in a stock ROM. Non-stock kernels can direct the traffic of electrical signals (like a stop light), change those signals, modify what hardware those signals control or even how the hardware behaves for a given signal. It may be a bit simplistic, but the best way I can explain it. A touch-wiz ROM and AOSP ROM will have different electrical connections, so they must have kernels made for those connections.

Too much reboots! Why?

Ive testing a few roms since I have my phone...
1.PAC Rom(reboots as hell) Its unstable so I accept that.
2.HO!NO! V20f v2(reboots everywhere) Based on stock but with a custom kernel so I accept that
3.Stock V20c with stock kernel(Even with this I get random reboots) People say this the most stable.
So Ive been using the most recent CM10.1 Stable build and this is the only rom that I can say that is stable 2 or 3 random reboots in a day, not like V20c I used to have more than 8 in a day! I need to use some vpn modules and cm10 lacks of it, so Im condenned to get random reboots for all my life! or until I sell this phone?

Yea this phone tends to be junk for some people. There's more problems than we can think of to resolve... I think I'm gonna get a new one, something supported by google. See the thing is there might be custom roms with the newest android and all that but without official updates you don't get updated kernels, firmware, basebands, etc specific to that phone. Devs thankfully update them and hack them as best they can. These are all parts of the software apart from the "rom" (like CM10.1).

Flyview said:
Yea this phone tends to be junk for some people. There's more problems than we can think of to resolve... I think I'm gonna get a new one, something supported by google. See the thing is there might be custom roms with the newest android and all that but without official updates you don't get updated kernels, firmware, basebands, etc specific to that phone. Devs thankfully update them and hack them as best they can. These are all parts of the software apart from the "rom" (like CM10.1).
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Yeah, Galaxy Nexus is in my next purchase list...

Flyview said:
Yea this phone tends to be junk for some people. There's more problems than we can think of to resolve... I think I'm gonna get a new one, something supported by google. See the thing is there might be custom roms with the newest android and all that but without official updates you don't get updated kernels, firmware, basebands, etc specific to that phone. Devs thankfully update them and hack them as best they can. These are all parts of the software apart from the "rom" (like CM10.1).
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I strongly disagree. These phones are not junk. Just because there are some defective phones being resold mainly by private parties or non-official channels doesn't mean they are junk. With that being said if you are one of the unfortunate ones that purchased a defective phone without warranty I would recommend running gingerbread as you will not have issues. The vast majority of these phones are very reliable and will run stock fine without reboots. If one makes purchases of electronics outside official channels there is always that risk. Always be aware of who you are purchasing from and the warranty they provide in case it doesn't have an official mfg warranty.
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Unless you are overclocking, your phone is defective.
Try underclocking it to 1.2ghz and see if it stabilizes. You can also try bumping up the voltage across the board to see if that helps.
And defects can occur with ANY phone, not just this one. Funny you mention the GNex, as there were a TON of defects with that phone, particularly in some of the batches produced in China; the Korean made ones seemed to suffer less. If you buy a used GNex try to get one tagged "Made in Korea".

Swetnes said:
I strongly disagree. These phones are not junk. Just because there are some defective phones being resold mainly by private parties or non-official channels doesn't mean they are junk. With that being said if you are one of the unfortunate ones that purchased a defective phone without warranty I would recommend running gingerbread as you will not have issues. The vast majority of these phones are very reliable and will run stock fine without reboots. If one makes purchases of electronics outside official channels there is always that risk. Always be aware of who you are purchasing from and the warranty they provide in case it doesn't have an official mfg warranty.
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Ok, I was a little harsh. My phone is pretty stable now but it's taken over a year to come this far! Obviously being on xda I expect a bit more than stock though...

Flyview said:
Ok, I was a little harsh. My phone is pretty stable now but it's taken over a year to come this far! Obviously being on xda I expect a bit more than stock though...
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When I say stock it also includes the multitude of modified ROMs based on stock. CM10.x is still a beta is subject to issues like reboots, BSOD, parts not functioning like BT, etc. If one experiences rebooting problems on stock ICS then the phone is defective. A benchmark if you will.
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Swetnes said:
When I say stock it also includes the multitude of modified ROMs based on stock. CM10.x is still a beta is subject to issues like reboots, BSOD, parts not functioning like BT, etc. If one experiences rebooting problems on stock ICS then the phone is defective. A benchmark if you will.
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Well, I think the problem with my phone is on the Modem, even with 3G off and stock kernel, gets warm, also sometimes gets unusable because of short battery :silly: even with an extended battery doesnt last a whole day without having to charge it.
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i don't get any reboots with the roms you mentioned

KronicSkillz said:
i don't get any reboots with the roms you mentioned
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I was just saying the same thing at least with stock. If one is having reboot issues with stock it points to a defect in the phone, but with the cyanogen based ROMs that isn't always the case due to it being a work in progress as different components get tuned/optimized. That's all no biggie.
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mpsantiago said:
Unless you are overclocking, your phone is defective.
Try underclocking it to 1.2ghz and see if it stabilizes. You can also try bumping up the voltage across the board to see if that helps.
And defects can occur with ANY phone, not just this one. Funny you mention the GNex, as there were a TON of defects with that phone, particularly in some of the batches produced in China; the Korean made ones seemed to suffer less. If you buy a used GNex try to get one tagged "Made in Korea".
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Do you have an issue with nitro battery draining fast on Jelly rom?

Solved it!
I solved my reboots issue, I accidentally selected everything for wipe in TWRP, even sdcard, and I was really angry just beacuse a I did something stupid, but then, I installed v20f and WIND 3.5. Im running ICS without issues. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

andriusic said:
I solved my reboots issue, I accidentally selected everything for wipe in TWRP, even sdcard, and I was really angry just beacuse a I did something stupid, but then, I installed v20f and WIND 3.5. Im running ICS without issues. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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ICS ROMs for this phone were always more stable for me. All of the problems I've had are with JB ROMs.
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I never solve my reboots issues with Stock ICS, the only ROM that worked for me was v18f (ICS leak). My conclusion: faulty hardware.

Su640 iwas having random reboots on jb ROM and they just started after i flashed custom 4.1.2. I tried many different version of the stock custom roms.
Than i flashed kdz from scratch 30D than i rooted it, put custom recovery and few other stuff i always change, but that also started giving me reboots after a day.
So i did it again kdz full wipe first using cwm
Rooted it but left the recovery and bootloader alone. Deleted stuff, change stuff like dialer, sms...
After week no reboots as of now.
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Solution of random reboot is max frequency <1.2GHz or Android GB.

happyneser said:
Solution of random reboot is max frequency <1.2GHz or Android GB.
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...or new mainboard, as in my case. Running JB with frequency up to 1.8 GHz just fine.

The random reboots are due to heating of the processor because of this processor and GPU welding and thus move reboots appear ... will say but when it cools and
should stop if I believed that, too .... But if you remember the case of red lights xbox 360 is the same case happens to this cell ....
I'm no technician is just the assumption that I have had the experience that the xbox and is the same case
My phone now is stable with a Max frequency: 1188Mhz and Min: 648Mhz
Governor Ondemand ... but I have the problem that the microphone has noise

htc one m9 common problems

iam going to buy htc one m9
does it still have it's common problems like heating, camera's problems, bettery
please help me as soon as

Heat issues - yes.
Camera issues - never had any but if anything the quality of the picture is a bit naff. So yes, it has always been naff.
Battery - of course. It's octacore, what else do you expect?.
If I had the opportunity I'd swap for an s6 or s6 edge in a heart beat.
Good phone. Buy a case for it on day one. I have a tech21 in grey and it does the job well, cost £30 though.

shivadow said:
Heat issues - yes.
Camera issues - never had any but if anything the quality of the picture is a bit naff. So yes, it has always been naff.
Battery - of course. It's octacore, what else do you expect?.
If I had the opportunity I'd swap for an s6 or s6 edge in a heart beat.
Good phone. Buy a case for it on day one. I have a tech21 in grey and it does the job well, cost £30 though.
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What's about custom roms ? Does these issues still on custom roms ??
And sorry I don't understand what do u mean by (naff)

Naff means "below par" or "below expected average" or "crap".
Custom roms will always have the same issues as stock roms and sometimes more.
Stock roms are finely tuned for that specific device in an all round environment that includes all aspects of daily use.
Custom roms have to rely on home made code as most of the time official source code isn't available so therefore other issues may exist but in all situations the hardware limitations always exist eg grainy camera with lots of noise, excessive battery consumption, and heat.
Custom roms, through root, allow you to manually manipulate settings otherwise inaccessible to the everyday user. The settings can reduce heat and battery consumption at the cost of performance and you lose stability changing the settings..
Basically. Custom roms have their own issues. If you dont understand the concept of rooting and custom roms you should spend a few hours reading up on them.
Personally I think rooted stock rom is all you need at most unless you are a developer. The average user should leave well alone.

shivadow said:
Heat issues - yes.
Camera issues - never had any but if anything the quality of the picture is a bit naff. So yes, it has always been naff.
Battery - of course. It's octacore, what else do you expect?.
If I had the opportunity I'd swap for an s6 or s6 edge in a heart beat.
Good phone. Buy a case for it on day one. I have a tech21 in grey and it does the job well, cost £30 though.
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shivadow said:
Naff means "below par" or "below expected average" or "crap".
Custom roms will always have the same issues as stock roms and sometimes more.
Stock roms are finely tuned for that specific device in an all round environment that includes all aspects of daily use.
Custom roms have to rely on home made code as most of the time official source code isn't available so therefore other issues may exist but in all situations the hardware limitations always exist eg grainy camera with lots of noise, excessive battery consumption, and heat.
Custom roms, through root, allow you to manually manipulate settings otherwise inaccessible to the everyday user. The settings can reduce heat and battery consumption at the cost of performance and you lose stability changing the settings..
Basically. Custom roms have their own issues. If you dont understand the concept of rooting and custom roms you should spend a few hours reading up on them.
Personally I think rooted stock rom is all you need at most unless you are a developer. The average user should leave well alone.
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I know the root and custom room iam android user from 2012
Nw iam in a choise
Nexus 5x
Htc m9
Lg g3
Note 4 but i think it was old
What i should choose ?

mahmoud17 said:
I know the root and custom room iam android user from 2012
Nw iam in a choise
Nexus 5x
Htc m9
Lg g3
Note 4 but i think it was old
What i should choose ?
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Buy the M9 man. You won't regret. It's beautifull. Thow thw G3 has better screen, but eats battery faster...

If you can get the US version.
grab the M9, if not take the nexus

M9 is probably the most premium looking phone I've ever seen and felt.
Base on experience:
- heating up to 120f when gaming (probably common to most device but more felt in m9 due to material)
- camera (auto) = what you see with your eyes is what you get in the picture. When it's dark, the picture would be dark too unlike the samsung s6 camera which over exaggerates color to look good, if you want that you could shoot in HDR mode to achieve the same feat. It also has RAW shooting which is a plus.
- battery would be tricky. It lasts for a day on daily usage but lasts only 3-4hrs in heavy usage. (at least for me)
Stock w/ elementalX
Although I did return to stock kernel due to wakelocks going crazy. I'd see if I should install elementalX again.

Why the Android System battery consumption on Stock ROM high on Op3?

Has anyone noticed this? I have been using stock rom since the start but after 7.0 update the battery drain by Android System is high. I tried different ROM's that are based on Stock ROM, there also the story is same. I dont know about AOSP based ROM's as i havent tried them due to camera quality. Is there any solution to this? Like if it is related to kernel ?
TIA

Your answer lies in this post:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3034811&page=5

sarus_b said:
Your answer lies in this post:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3034811&page=5
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I read what you linked, I don't even think it's related to my post.

anshmiester78900 said:
Has anyone noticed this? I have been using stock rom since the start but after 7.0 update the battery drain by Android System is high. I tried different ROM's that are based on Stock ROM, there also the story is same. I dont know about AOSP based ROM's as i havent tried them due to camera quality. Is there any solution to this? Like if it is related to kernel ?
TIA
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Depends on how you use your phone day in and day out. If you are using the phone as it was intended to be used (like a phone), then you would expect there to be a system drain component; if there wasn't, you've basically got your phone on airplane mode with every feature and settings turned off. I don't think the system drain is a stock rom issue, it's basically a part of every Android OS. No it is not a kernel issue (unless the kernel is poorly written, usually not the case with stock or any of the other kernels out there for the OP3).
And what do you mean by battery drain is high? You mean it's listed as one of the top 3 on the battery info screen? That screen is basically meaningless and is relative to all other apps/processes running on your phone. If you work 8 hours a day and you don't touch your phone once, I will guarantee you that Android System will be 1 or 2 on that list (next to Google Services). If you watch movies saved on your phone for 6 hours straight, I can guarantee you that Screen will be at the top of that list. That battery info screen is there to give you a rough idea of what's using up the juice.
The phone still has the battery to last you a full work day on a single charge (unless you're a heavy gamer) with email sync, texting, phone calls, music, minimal social media (many of these apps are battery hogs). If you run low early, Dash Charge is quite amazing.

anshmiester78900 said:
I read what you linked, I don't even think it's related to my post.
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My bad. I was under assumption you would find and understand something. You are to naive to understand it. No offense intended

sarus_b said:
My bad. I was under assumption you would find and understand something. You are to naive to understand it. No offense intended
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He's having Android System battery drain how exactly is that link related? You clearly didn't understand what you read for you to assume that's the answer. Stop trying to act smart
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sarus_b said:
My bad. I was under assumption you would find and understand something. You are to naive to understand it. No offense intended
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if you think something related to his problem is in the post then just explain it to him and dont act like an arrogant smartass.

anshmiester78900 said:
Has anyone noticed this? I have been using stock rom since the start but after 7.0 update the battery drain by Android System is high. I tried different ROM's that are based on Stock ROM, there also the story is same. I dont know about AOSP based ROM's as i havent tried them due to camera quality. Is there any solution to this? Like if it is related to kernel ?
TIA
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I fully concur with your observation since I had also experienced the same issue when I switched from stock OOS MM to stock OOS N. I don't know what causes it. It was bad and I was forced to go back to MM till I found Vertex OS. It is Nougat and battery life is amazing. It is also stock ROM based.
Some may complain that Vertex has no gimmicks but I am satisfied with what it has to offer. Try it.

tnsmani said:
I fully concur with your observation since I had also experienced the same issue when I switched from stock OOS MM to stock OOS N. I don't know what causes it. It was bad and I was forced to go back to MM till I found Vertex OS. It is Nougat and battery life is amazing. It is also stock ROM based.
Some may complain that Vertex has no gimmicks but I am satisfied with what it has to offer. Try it.
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I have noticed the same thing since the second nougat beta released around December 15th. It is there even on debloating, trying custom kernels, disabling apps, etc. Then I changed to lineageOS, and surprisingly even on it Android System was on top. Till now I haven't come across any solution.

I had the same issue. It was due to OTG/usb host interrupts for me. Try better battery stats to find out what is causing it.