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[Q] Looking for a good starter ROM

Not sure if I should post here or in Dev. so im starting here and if it needs be moved, then please MOD move me.
Im rooting a phone for my buddy, unfortunately I do not have any knowledge of the Motorola Defy, im a Galaxy S user. Can anyone recommend a good starting ROM for the Defy? Im looking for lag fix, overclock and undervolt, or at least a GREAT battery reconditioning.
If anyone can point me in the direction of such a ROM it would be greatly appreciated!

your buddy needs motoblur? If not the top are CM7 and MIUI. For battery life you should probably look at froyo roms with cee deblur base

Why nobody is recommending Motoginger and MS2Ginger?I think both has some good features?

I'm using the nandroid and fixed SBF 2.3.4 для Defy - 134 works flawlessly it is based on the original leaked Gingerbread rom for the Defy+

leaked gingerbread has big battery drain
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I like what I'm hearing so far, thanks. Btw is the blur software going to be an issue in the rooting process? My friend is a little behind the times, he switched to android from an older blackberry, god knows how long hes had that. long story short he was saying he might not remember his blur information.
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he doesn't lose anything withouth motoblur, i think only a little % of motorola users uses it. give a look on youtube at CM7 and MIUI on defy and choose, it's a personal taste

WIUI should be a good choice also.
The actual version is a bit slow (really just a bit) but at friday comes the new version (based on MIUI 1.8.5) and I hope it will be smoother.

I use Motoblur and it work great on my daily needs. It's all build-in by default and they're integrated each other so well from messages, pictures, facebook, twitter, videos and etc.. in one go.. I even won't need to worry if my phone lost or stolen as I can use Motoblur to locate it or even wipe it data without the bad guy know..
Yet, I still rooting, 2nd-init, overclocking and flashing custom.zip. I also still installed other great apps just like any other Andriod user did.

awo23 said:
leaked gingerbread has big battery drain
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The version i'm using does not have a big battery drain.

Latest CM7 would be my recommendation.... just follow the FAQ (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1065798) and then install the latest nightly (cm7-110809-0713-NIGHTLY-Jordan.zip as I write [http://defy.tanguy.tk/jordan-nightly/]) - stable, fast, latest Gingerbread 2.3.5....

well since you are looking for a STARTER rom maybe you should try miui. CM7 is the one i use but miui is more new-user friendly (in my opinion of course)

Rom for everyday use

It's been a while where ppl always compare the best desire rom out there... let's discuss what rom u guys recommended for everyday use... I'm currently using Oxygen rom, fast stable and hell lot of spaces, and since i'm starting to use 3G, i gonna switch to sense rom, needed sense widget and stuff, might get insertcoin rom... what about u guys?

I'm currently using InsertCoin Sense 2.1/3.0 1.1.4 and although it is great to look at, I perhaps wouldn't recommend it for everyday use as in the new version I have been experiencing some lag and unfortunately (and probably most importantly) it hasn't been too great with battery life.. although I haven't used SetCPU to try and improve it.
I would almost be tempted to go for a FROYO based ROM, but I think what you'll have to do is test a few and see how they perform for you.

I'm running InsertCoin 1.1.4 as well and I'm having a blast. It does lag every now and then, but my battery life's brilliant - I usually have about 30% left when I go to bed. I'm probably not the heaviest user on the planet, though.
I'm using SetCPU though, so that might be why. It's set to 499-1190 (smartassV2) with a Screen Off rule for 245-460. Seems to do the trick.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1040121
Use this one, yesterday coolexe did fabulous update.. EVERYTHING is working perfectly, including camera and flash.
It's Sense 3.0 ROM (not 2.1 + 3.0) and its just fast as 2.1, i was shocked when tried it for a first time.
TBH it's atm. best Sense 3 ROM in Desire section, and i tried all of them.

I'm using stock HBOOT InsertCoin 1.1.4, working well for me.

I'm using my own Rom with custom hboot
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k3lcior said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1040121
Use this one, yesterday coolexe did fabulous update.. EVERYTHING is working perfectly, including camera and flash.
It's Sense 3.0 ROM (not 2.1 + 3.0) and its just fast as 2.1, i was shocked when tried it for a first time.
TBH it's atm. best Sense 3 ROM in Desire section, and i tried all of them.
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gotta agree, it's really nice and smooth rom. check it out. but insert coin is ok also

Can highly recommend oxygen.
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I've been experimenting with ROMs for a few months now. Here is what I've found:
1) The most stable, light, low power ROM that I've used is MIUI. It has everything you need out of the box.
2) If you don't like the MIUI interface (read: like an iPhone and Android combined), the next best is Redux 1.2. Very low power, but very basic. It is basically a shell as I didn't like a lot of the stock components. I had to get a new launcher, dialer, contact manager and SMS app.
3) Sense-based ROMs feel nice until the battery dies... which happens way too quickly. The stock ROM was the most stable for me, I just wanted Gingerbread. All of the Sense-based ROMs that were non-stock seemed to buggy for me.
I'm a computer engineer, so I don't mind playing around with technology, but MIUI and the stock ROM were the only ones that I'd recommend to somebody less technical (or somebody that just wants the smartphone to work and not have to constantly look for fixes and / or ways to make the phone work the way it should out of the box) for daily use.

Yes I'm using that Rom too and can't fault it. It's fast for a sense 3 Rom.

Currently on MIUI 1.8.26.
Cant comment on the batt yet since i just flashed this yesterday but hell yeah, its fast.....
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jdwright45 said:
1) The most stable, light, low power ROM that I've used is MIUI. It has everything you need out of the box.
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I have to say I disagree with almost all of that
It's based in cm7 so its one of the heaviest aosp Roms around.
To compare, miui xj, with my brutal stripping, I got down to 90MB bare bones. That's 30 MB bigger than dGB and 25MB bigger than redux in the same state.
Also imho, cm7 is heavier on battery, ergo so is miui. Redux is better power wise, although a miui custom kernel could help them there.
Out of interest what mA are you getting on 3g whilst idle?
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I am currently on IC 1.1.4 with newest noncallrec kernel. Works fine whereas 1.1.4 had some freeze issues, 1.1.3 worked perfect for me. No lags, no freeze, quite fast. I am also not a heavy user hence my bat lasts almost the whole day.

I'm on Cool3D AceS v2. Nice rom, fast and stable. Was using cyanogenmod, but was missing sense

chrismast said:
I am currently on IC 1.1.4 with newest noncallrec kernel. Works fine whereas 1.1.4 had some freeze issues, 1.1.3 worked perfect for me. No lags, no freeze, quite fast. I am also not a heavy user hence my bat lasts almost the whole day.
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Would you say that v1.1.3 is as smooth as Rc mix latest release? Just thinking of shifting to IC hence these questions

jackie_jagger said:
Would you say that v1.1.3 is as smooth as Rc mix latest release? Just thinking of shifting to IC hence these questions
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sorry, cannot compare IC with Rc as I never tried Rc. IC (CM7) runs fine, fast & stable (at least 1.1.3) for me so had no need to check any other rom till now.

chrismast said:
sorry, cannot compare IC with Rc as I never tried Rc. IC (CM7) runs fine, fast & stable (at least 1.1.3) for me so had no need to check any other rom till now.
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well as long as it works well - I think its worth a try - downloading it now !
Thanks

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1113070
For me, this is currently the best Sense experience on the desire. I am using the cm7 version.

You guys should try Oxygen with Oxygen hboot r2, u'll get hell lot of spaces! I tried going to insertcoin with CM7 hboot r2, end up having 88mb after installing all my apps without installing my games, but with my Oxygen rom, i have 148mb free, with 27 games in it... and it's very very smooth...

felix1318 said:
You guys should try Oxygen with Oxygen hboot r2, u'll get hell lot of spaces! I tried going to insertcoin with CM7 hboot r2, end up having 88mb after installing all my apps without installing my games, but with my Oxygen rom, i have 148mb free, with 27 games in it... and it's very very smooth...
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Thats kind of funny. Guess you didn't see my signature when I posted earlier then. I got 40MB on Oxygen

Best custom rom??

Guys,,, which is the best custom rom for motorola defy???
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I tried the Jboogie LiquidArc rom and i can assure its very stable , fast , smooth , and most important to me = very easy steps to install : http://modmymobile.com/forums/640-m...e3-liquidarc-gingerbread-v2-0-09-08-11-a.html
and i think if you have a red lens defy then u should try MS2Ginger 2.1 u will have 720p video record : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1140839
Hope I helped

CM7. Period x)
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I use MS2Ginger 2.0 (Defy with red lens), works great for me, especially if you want 720p recording/playback.

MS2Ginger if you like blur , or CM7 smooth and fast without any Force close problems i almost tried every rom out there 2.2.2 froyo is also fast and works fine .
PS: dont ever flash 2.3.4

i used to have cm7 until recently. cm7 is getting boring and miui has caught up with cm7 as far as bug fixes are concerned, but it's much more eye pleasing
try wajkiui, without the ics add-on first, and see if you like it.

jh20 said:
i used to have cm7 until recently. cm7 is getting boring and miui has caught up with cm7 as far as bug fixes are concerned, but it's much more eye pleasing
try wajkiui, without the ics add-on first, and see if you like it.
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cm7 boring? boring as rock-stable?
I would try again if wifi is fixed and battery drain...

jboogie is based off cm7 by quarax. pretty decent.
barebones is the ultimate cm mod with the "bare essentials"
cm7 is fast, and as far as customising it there are LOADS of themes, personally i like the way this one looks
miui is nice, recently it has got much more smoother and there are many variants. wajk,d something :S and so on
(personally i like the galnet miui but waiting for the next update before jumping up and down and trying to convert people.)
ms2 ginger and moto ginger are based off the stock gb from moto and there are soo many nandroids of the same(stock gb from moto for the defy plus)in the dev thread. only plus point of ms2ginger over the rest is the 720p recording and its awesome (but only to view on the phone, on the computer its a totally different story)
cm9 is still kicking in the alpha stage but at the moment looks the most promising.
at the end of it, which ever rom you like should be the one you pick. oh and be careful, trying not wrecking your phone! lol
no one here can be held responsible if anything happens to your phone but if there is an issue, there are many awesome people who are waiting to help!!
any way happy modding!

well said... but the stock froyo of India 3.4.3-36-1.7 is the most stable for me...

MS2GINGER for me ... 720p recording and playback and most importantly the battery backup ... this is the rom with the best battery life for me :]
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ezantera said:
cm7 boring? boring as rock-stable?
I would try again if wifi is fixed and battery drain...
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lol....i might have to eat my own words actually
after testing a few variances of miui based roms, ie, wajkiui, dsj ics miui and galnet miui, i still went back to cm7 because those roms are still not as stable and smooth as cm7.
then i found that many of those eye candies i found on miui based roms are there in cm7 anyway. i just wasn't into tweaking my phone before until i got into miui roms.
anyway i'm currently testing ms2ginger 2.1 for green lens and mtotoginger 2 i found the best thing about these roms are the battery life. most roms i tested so far consume about 0.4-0.6 % per hr when the phone is in deep sleep. the motoginger 2 rom (preferred over the ms2ginger) uses about 0.3% per hr when deep sleep and on maximum battery saver mode!

I really have to agree with CM7. I've been running it for weeks, without any random reboots and lots of usage.
It is just the safest bet out there.

Also consider try WajkIUI ICS http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1161110
I bet you will like its smooth faster than ever and the thing is stability
Im my point of view Wajk is one of the best devs 4 defy

I've used Cm7 for about 3 months, and I have to say, it's really stable. But I couldn't figure out why the built-in ADW Launcher was so laggy, but the ADW from market wasn't. But in fact, I didn't really cared about ADW, because I've used LP. There's no other Launcher on Earth which is that smooth, stable and far away from annoying gimmicks like those freaky transition effects from Go Launcher. After 3 months cm7 got very boring for me. So I decided to test some of the other ROM's postet here. Ms2Ginger was kind of overloaded and I don't like the color of the settings menue. Wajkiui was a variety of a MIUI Rom but without the MIUI Launcher. The last one I tried, was the MIUI Pikachu Edition. And It feels like much smoother then other MIUI Rom's, more stable and settings to play around So, I use MIUI Pikachu for about 2 months and I don't think I'll change the ROM until there's a final Version of CM9-Jordan.

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So, I use MIUI Pikachu for about 2 months and I don't think I'll change the ROM until there's a final Version of CM9-Jordan.
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arr.. yes, the pikachu edition. i've heard of it but it's in german which i don't speak

Yea, its a german Rom, but it suports english, too. Im just comparing it with stock MIUI and Galnet-MIUI. I cant see any great differences except of the theme and Bootanimations
The main difference of the Pikachu edit. is the app called "Flag-configer". With this app, you can change installation parameters and app contents BEFORE you flash the ROM. MIUI Pikachu is the only ROM which is supported by the Flag-configer, actually I'm not sure if it's the only supported ROM. For now, the GALNET and WAJIKU can't be configured by this app.
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Wajkiui
Hit the thanxx button
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I would, if i were on my pc. I promise you to thank you as soon as I'm on xda on pc.
OT: who's the Dev of Tapatalk? They/she/he should integrate a thx button and a search function. Would be more awesome.
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nitrous² said:
Yea, its a german Rom, but it suports english, too. Im just comparing it with stock MIUI and Galnet-MIUI. I cant see any great differences except of the theme and Bootanimations
The main difference of the Pikachu edit. is the app called "Flag-configer". With this app, you can change installation parameters and app contents BEFORE you flash the ROM. MIUI Pikachu is the only ROM which is supported by the Flag-configer, actually I'm not sure if it's the only supported ROM. For now, the GALNET and WAJIKU can't be configured by this app.
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that's it, that's where i heard of pikachu rom for the first time, at wajkiui thread
tweetypeety was trying to promote his configer app, and i'm surprised when you said it doesn't support wajkiui:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=19005789&highlight=configer#post19005789
i might give pikachu a go and see
edit: is there a site in english? how am i going to install it if everything is in german until i get a chance to change the language?

i tried cm7 and currently on Wiui... have to say they r fast n solid! but as i am always outside w/o wifi... thus my data always on... the battery eats 15%/hr even when i am doing nothing with it n always in my pocket!!!
therefore i can say i really enjoy my defy when i m at home(wif wifi)... but once outside... i have to ration its use in case battery is flat when i have urgent call to make!!!
any rom out there to fix this problem?

Should I upgrade my desire to ICS?

hi,
I have Leedroid 3.0.8.2 data ++. Phone (which is my main phone] is stable and Bluetooth works as expected.
What are the benefits, of any, to upgrade to ICS and is there a particular ROM you find sufficiently stable to recommend.
Thanks
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If you are happy with your current rom then there may be no point in upgrading. Personally I prefer the interface and look / feel of ICS and can deal with the bugs that comes with it.
For desire currently the ICS roms are still a tad unstable this is due to incomplete hardware acceleration. The roms are ok for daily use if you can deal without video camera and quite a few graphical glitches. But the rom is still very usable.
If you are wanting to try an ICS rom, I suggest either sandvolds ICS or BCM.
At the end of the day I suggest taking a nandroid backup of your current rom. and trying out one of the ICS roms for a few hours. If you dont like it simply restore your old rom no harm done.
hope this helps.

If you want a stable rom, stick to what you are using right now or at least Gingerbread. ICS roms are in beta for Desire. No matter how many people here tells you it's all okay as a daily driver, if you can't afford the hassle of random reboots and all those little instability don't use it.
It will be a good weekend project to flash ICS roms just to see how it progresses though.

It's just an improved OS.Better functionality, better battery life and a slew of added features which are listed here.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/01/android-4-0-ice-cream-sandwich-review/
I too would suggest you to stick to your old one.

stankyou said:
If you want a stable rom, stick to what you are using right now or at least Gingerbread. ICS roms are in beta for Desire. No matter how many people here tells you it's all okay as a daily driver, if you can't afford the hassle of random reboots and all those little instability don't use it.
It will be a good weekend project to flash ICS roms just to see how it progresses though.
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Given that my phone is modelled for Leedroid Data++ can I flash a new ROM for the weekend.
Is out that simple and straightforward?
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Sandvold's ICS is really worth trying in its current state.

You can flash Sandvolt's ICS with no problems (wipe all partitions, install rom 0.4.4.3, install 0.4.4.4.1 update). At it's current state 0.4.4.4.1 it is prety stable. I have it installed from yesterday and i can say that i had no problem. Ok, i have to admit, it is a little slower than a gingerbread stock rom but i think it is very usable.
If sandvolt keeps it like this in ~1month i think we will have an ICS that beats GB.
Anyway i think you need to see it. I recommend installing also thalamus kernel which is very stable.
Regards.

Stability is a binary matter. There is a 1 or there is a 0. There is no 1.5, hence there are no such things as pretty stable or partially stable.
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Well, today i have used all of it's battery until now and i had no reboot or crash or anything that seemed like a problem.

I've been running ICS for a ~2 months, it (BCM RC2.2U5) works a treat . I've not missed Sense, and now the camera preview is fixed there isn't much missing.
It also feels faster than GB.
The video mode on the camera crashes the camera app but apart from that everything seems to work.
Overall like savagedonkey, I prefer the look/feel of ICS over GB with Sense (I was on LeeDroid 3.3. something) , however if you want to be sure there aren't any hiccups or problems stick with GB.
And there is always nandroid.
Andy

Have been using Sandvold's ICS ROM for about six weeks now and I can definitely recommend it. For me it's stable enough for daily use, camera preview (for photography) is working in the latest releases and with the latest release (0.4.5 dated 03/29) QR-code scanning is functioning also.
At the moment the only missing functionality (set aside eventual bugs) seems to be the video- and the panoramacamera.
Can't say how it performs compared to other ROM's. Haven't had reason to try others .

I have BCM RC2.2U5, but ineternet (mobile & wifi) response is too bad, very slow

I'm using BCM for over 2months and atm its really close to stable release.
There are some minor bugs, but its worth trying.

Fanboys forget to tell you ICS is much slower in its current state, than LeeDroid.
I use Sandvolds ICS atm, because I like the looks. It's not near stable.

tihimasmo said:
It's not near stable.
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Two pages of bull until someone comes with objective and rational answer... Kudos.
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Hi,
i come from Sandvolds ICS and I downgraded today to CM7.2, due to its unstableness. I got random BCODs and the browsers were terrible slow. Both crome and the stock browser.
Anyway, I guess the devs working hard on fixing the unstableness. Maybe in the near future im gonna switch back to ICS

It is not possible to simply say "I recommend Sandvolds ICS for you" or "I do not recommend".
First "rule": The rom is NOT stable. If you need your device for business use and need an always 100% stable ROM, then ICS is at the current state under no circumstances the right decision for you.
The ROM is in highly development, be aware of bugs and problems!
3 problems, that recently happend to me, there may be many more:
All contacts seemed to be gone, somehow the google sync was broken. A new login solved it for me.
Black Screen of Death (BSOD) occurs with some kernels: The phone freezes with screen off. Pulling out battery is the only solution.
My SD card could not be mounted on boot (not only missing data, but missing apps from a2sd as well). Reboot fixed it.
But if you have some spare time (following the development thread!) and if you don't complain with regularly ROM updates (including full wipes), you will be impressed, what ICS can make out of your phone!
ICS rocks.

BCM is very stable for me. Everything works fine including my browser and wifi. Only thing I don't like is I cant get mms to work but thats no biggy.

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you will be impressed, what ICS can make out of your phone!
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Huh? A dual core with at least 768MB RAM and 16GB internal memory?
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[POLL] Which ROM do YOU feel is best for everyday use

PLEASE READ BEFORE VOTING: Just wanted to see what the general consensus was about which ROM is best for everyday use, and for new guys trying out a new ROM, this is a good starting point on what to try first. I agree, most ROMs update often (sometimes daily!) and even though one update may break a thing or two, the general usability of that ROM usually maintains the same.
Now, when voting for this poll, remember to take account usability in an everyday environment, not full-fledged feature comparison. Some ROMs can't record 720p and most ICS ROMs have no (not even partial) HWA and can't use video camera. But these things are things most of us can live without. So when voting, please take into account the basics: If the phone works, if messages work, if you can use Wi-Fi properly, if 3G works, if phone reboots too often or not, if the ROMs runs stable and smooth or if it lags and locks up, battery life, photo camera works or not.
After taking into account usability, take into account features. For example, if you feel there is a CM9 ROM that runs as stable and usable as another CM7 ROM, choose the CM9
Please vote for ROMs you personally have tried, and not for ROMs you "heard" work well. More than one choice can be selected because you may feel more than one ROM was working well enough to be used daily.
Note: I started making the poll including only CM variations, and decided to include other ROMs in the mix (which I'm not sure are based off of CM material), so I just decided to leave CM7 for any Gingerbread based ROM and CM9 for any Ice Cream Sandwich based ROM
DISCLAIMER: This is by any means no reason to diminish some developer's work, but is instead intended for the average guy who doesn't have all day to be flashing new ROMs everytime a new build comes out.

Nice of you guys to vote, but unless someone posts anything, this thread will just get forgotten.. So I'll take the plunge...

Euro skank 10 out of 10 :thumbup:
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Cm9 5/8 nightly+ build red lens defy 8-10

I dont know why CM9 is getting many votes... is not good for every day use yet. Though is nice to experiment but is not stable enought.

Cm white rabbit 9/10
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Well, Quark's GB CM9 is my daily ROM. It is pretty stable AND usable since 0805 if you blacklist HWUI for some apps.
I really don't see any point why I should go back to stock or CM7.

Considering the rules of poll:
1-CM7
2-MS2Ginger
3-CM9
Since 0805 cm9 i think I'll never come back to a GB rom
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CM7 - Euro Skank

Quarx-cm9 from May 11... seems very stable.

I'm using the quarx 120506 (May 6th) and it's pretty stable.
I was having some issues with previous CM9 versions from Quarx and Epsylon, like Bluetooth issues, crashing apps, slower camera, reboots and so on.
This is with no doubt the best CM9 so far (i didn't tested yet the versions from days 7, 8, 9, 10 and 11 (may)).
When I have time I'll update to 11th may version to see what have been improved.

I´ve started trying ROMs since i did my register, and that´s a few things i could say about ´em
Gigglebread´s builds of CM7 are the best for me in terms of daily use.
- fast
- stable
- well customized
(i can´t remember of any bug or FC in a little while since i started using it)
120508_v2 Defy+ Quarx´s build of CM9 are the closest of a daily use ROM of all the ones i´ve been testing (so far)
- fastest CM9 i´ve ever tried (after installing Apex Launcher)
- stable (phonecalls, sms, wi-fi, 3g, sensors, camera, gps ...)
- still little buggy with camcorder, and the panomara doesn´t work for me
ps:I ALWAYS do a full wipe before swapping from cm7 to cm9 roms and i always flash my stock SBF before getting back to cm7.
I don´t use chrome, for me dolphin browser mini is enough.

euroskank cm7.2 FTW

cm7 euroskank!

WIUI stable
WIUI stable is the best rom

I'm getting no issues on Maniacs cm-7.2.0-RC1

I´m on Maniacs nightlies (CM 7.2) for quite a while now and my Defy is completely stable, fast and i go for more than 2 days without charging

White Rabbit ist the best for me!

CM7.2 by Quarx for Defy+ rocks in my Defy Red Lens
Enviado desde mi MB525

Wiui stable for me
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