Today I was thinking about a way to swap the sd memory with the internal memory and have the dinc boot with sd memory first..making the partitions bigger..then I ran into this: http://www.xda-developers.com/android/swap-i9003-internal-sdcard-memory-with-external_sd/
Is this possible for us to do? Would there be any actual benefit, other than more space on the "internal drive"? Would it affect speed of programs or anything? Like I said, I was just thinking..I'm sure its been discussed before, and if there is an open thread for it I apologize. I did search, and I didn't come up with anything specific to the dinc. Any thoughts/opinions?
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Any ideas how I could get my apps onto my 4gig sd card.
I have read the tutorial but in my clockwords recovery mode, there is no option to partition.
The reason for the partition is for adding my apps to my SD card.
Currently I have tons of apps and allot of them slow my phone down.
Should this be the case? I was advised that the way android works is, it auto closes apps when the speed starts to slow down?
mobad said:
Any ideas how I could get my apps onto my 4gig sd card.
I have read the tutorial but in my clockwords recovery mode, there is no option to partition.
The reason for the partition is for adding my apps to my SD card.
Currently I have tons of apps and allot of them slow my phone down.
Should this be the case? I was advised that the way android works is, it auto closes apps when the speed starts to slow down?
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the linux kernal will close apps when it needs to but that has very little to do with where the apps actually reside.
you need to partition your card with rom manager from the market in order to enable apps2sd( not the crappy froyo apps2sd mind)
copy the contents of your card at the moment to your pc. downlaod rom manager from the market, use it to partition your card with 512mb and 32mb swap. then dowload modinstalllocation from the market, this will allow you to chose where you save your apps too. choose 1 internal( ie the 512mb ext 3 partition for apps2sd you made with rom manager). copy all your content back to your sd card. all your apps should now be in your ext3 partition. if you really want to move apps to the actual sd card main partition, choose location 2 phone with modinstallocation but beware that whenever you mount the sd card those apps wont work till its remounted( its wise not to put widgets on the sd card). to check all this info and make sure apps2sd is working correctly you can downlaod quick settings info from the market and it will give you all the info you need on internal and apps2sd storage on your phone.
Many thanks for your reply.
I have just done as you said and then downlaoded aroudn 4 apps equalling around 20mb.
They seem to be on the sd card and internal.
The size of external has gone down by around 15mb and around 5-10mb has goen down on the internal as well?
mobad said:
Many thanks for your reply.
I have just done as you said and then downlaoded aroudn 4 apps equalling around 20mb.
They seem to be on the sd card and internal.
The size of external has gone down by around 15mb and around 5-10mb has goen down on the internal as well?
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That is correct. If you are using legacy Apps2SD or Froyo Apps2SD, the Dalvik cache (see here) remains on the internal phone memory.
So, when you install a new application onto SD card, it will consume memory on internal phone memory, though at a lesser rate than if the app was installed on phone memory (in my experience, roughly half the rate).
The only way to "resolve" this is to install legacy Apps2SD+, which also moves the Dalvik cache to SD card.
Personally, I don't do this - what I do is actively manage my applications using Titanium backup. For example, I seldom use certain large apps such as Google Earth, and some games, but I do want to keep them available. So I install them on the phone, and then back them up using Titanium Backup. When storage is low, I will remove them from the phone, but I can bring them back quickly (and without using data) as required.
I don't use legacy Apps2SD+ because I do have several SD cards that I want to be able to swap between quickly.
Regards,
Dave
Dave - many thanks for your comprehensive and useful reply.
What would be the limitation for using Apps2SD+?
From your reply im assuming it would stop me from chaing sd cards?
Essentially yes - you'd need to keep the EXT partition across SD cards in sync, which while not impossible, is more difficult than just copying .android_secure folder from one card to another which I believe should work ok so long as being used in the same phone.
Regards,
Dave
Excellent.
I think im ready to set it all up.
Got two not technical final question for you -
Which rom would you recommend?
I'm currentl with Frost 2.9a however I found Modaco's custom rom to be mroe fruitful with apps/stability.
Which 16gb/32gb sd card would you recommend?
Thanks
mobad said:
Which 16gb/32gb sd card would you recommend?
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I regularly use two 16gb Class 2 Sandisk cards and a 8gb Class 6 Transcend card. To be honest, I've no performance issues with either and my Sandisk cards regular exceed Class 6 minimums. Personally, I see no point paying extra for a large capacity Class 6 or Class 10 card - I may try 720p recording on my Class 6 soon though to see if it improves the framerate, but I doubt there will be much if any difference.
Regards,
Dave
I put Kings shooter and it is working awesome. It's not glitchy, it's smooth and everything works. I partitioned the sd card with Rom Manager. When I use Task Manager the total memory is 404 mb, but free is only 75-90 mb. The apps are downloading to the sd card, but I need to verify they are running from there right? Should I have made it so the Rom runs off the sd card too? Probably dumb questions.
I guess my question is, after loading the rom then I partitioned the sd card, then downloaded a couple apps. I didn't tell it to do anything. I thought I read somewhere I need to tell it to load apps to sd card or something?
Ok, I read where I can go into the settings, applications, yada yada and move it to the sd card. All the ones I downloaded are on the sd card. Is it recommended that I move most other apps to the sd card also to free up lots of memory? Will the phone respond quicker? Thanks
sounds like someone is about to learn the difference between memory(RAM) and storage
Thank you for raising your hand young Mr. Sled=)
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sounds like someone is about to learn the difference between memory(RAM) and storage
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Now for your first lesson:
RAM = random access memory, used to temporarily store information for quick access, to put it simply.
storage = self explanatory.
Now to the question at hand. Just like we install apps to our sd card and then run them off that versus installing to our internal memory, is this able to be done with for our Rom to save more internal memory? Unlike a computer which uses a hard drive, our phones actually have solid state storage. But maybe it doesn't matter where the apps or roms are stored for speed of use.
I was talking about you not me.....
I based it off of this statement:
"When I use Task Manager the total memory is 404 mb, but free is only 75-90 mb."
and then you go on to talk about storage and apps on SD and blah blah blah.
You understand that Task Manager is showing you the amount of RAM free and not storage space? right?
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I was talking about you not me.....
I based it off of this statement:
"When I use Task Manager the total memory is 404 mb, but free is only 75-90 mb."
and then you go on to talk about storage and apps on SD and blah blah blah.
You understand that Task Manager is showing you the amount of RAM free and not storage space? right?
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Very nice of you to base it off not asking me in the first place and then not offering any info, thanks mr sled. Yes, I do. I'm not up on the latest hardware capabilities, but I know years ago back when nokias were big, we were discussing the use of internal memory as a possible source of expanding ram. Although it doesn't sound like that is the case still since you're not aware of it. Thanks for splaining it to me.
Do you actually have the answer to if we can and should run the rom off the sd card, just like we would run the OS off a hard drive in a computer?
The only devices I'm really aware of that allow running the actual ROM (or OS if you will) from the SD card are the Nook and the HD2. For anything else you're going to have the ROM reside on the internal storage.
You would be taking a big performance hit running a ROM in SD anyway, SD is typically much slower than the internal storage.
You can however install plenty of apps on SD and move lots of stock apps to SD if your has App2SD built in.
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The only devices I'm really aware of that allow running the actual ROM (or OS if you will) from the SD card are the Nook and the HD2. For anything else you're going to have the ROM reside on the internal storage.
You would be taking a big performance hit running a ROM in SD anyway, SD is typically much slower than the internal storage.
You can however install plenty of apps on SD and move lots of stock apps to SD if your has App2SD built in.
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Yeah, very true, for os speed is everything. It would be a slug with slow sd memory. Thanks Deathsled.
Coming from the OG EVO 4G which had only 1GB internal storage, running apps off of the SD card was essential. We had a great tool called Dark Tremor's App2SD (DTA2SD) Basically this let us store all apps on the SD card (even widgets) on the EXT3 or EXT4 partition of our SD card.
Now I know this phone has a lot of internal strorage but I was wondering if this tool could be used in our phones as well?
Also, for those not familiar with Zep's V6 Supercharger script and 3G Speed boost scripts, they were essential tools for the EVO too. Was wondering if running these scripts would have any real benefit for our phones? I personally and too afraid to jack up my phone to try it (too lazy to nadroid and nandroid back if it doesn't work
Didnt you ask this already, about 23 days ago to be exact?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1371401&highlight=supercharger
heres one from the other day, not you though
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1401352
search my friend
Ok fine, you got me. I forgot I made that thread. But neither of those discuss DTA2SD. I am having problems with savings apps to my sd card on this phone. Some times the SD scan doesn't pick up all the apps and I have to reboot for apps saved to SD card to show up. Also, i have experienced on a number of occasions that apps saved to the SD card just disappear and have to be reinstalled.
So lets drop the V6 Supercharger talk and talk about DTA2SD. I haven't seen it talked about in these parts.
I gotta ask... on the EVO I understand since it has about 400MB (if you were using AOSP) or 280 MB for sense based ROMs... but for this device you have 1.8GB... do you really need A2SD even though internal memory can load data faster than the SD card and you have plenty of space on the internal memory?
Don't get me wrong. I am really trying to understand if there is any benefit for this on this phone since it has so much space available. I'd understand if it was considered for the future but I see really unlikely filling out 1.8GB with apps...
I know this has been asked before on older Galaxy's and I have read the thread. The answers there don't seem to be options on the Note 4 that I have and I am not sure if I'm missing something or if things are different. Basically I want to have apps from from the additional SD card I installed rather than taking up the 32gb internal memory. I've used App manager to move the apps to SD but the bulk of the apps data is still on the internal SD, which defeats the purpose. other threads have suggested apps that do this, but they seem to all require root so they are not an option. Am I missing something or is this really impossible?
Also, when I tried to format the SD card to see if that was a problem, it asked me for a pin. How do I know what this pin is? Thanks.
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I know this has been asked before on older Galaxy's and I have read the thread. The answers there don't seem to be options on the Note 4 that I have and I am not sure if I'm missing something or if things are different. Basically I want to have apps from from the additional SD card I installed rather than taking up the 32gb internal memory. I've used App manager to move the apps to SD but the bulk of the apps data is still on the internal SD, which defeats the purpose. other threads have suggested apps that do this, but they seem to all require root so they are not an option. Am I missing something or is this really impossible?
Also, when I tried to format the SD card to see if that was a problem, it asked me for a pin. How do I know what this pin is? Thanks.
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If you go to application manager in settings and you scroll to SD Card you don't have check box on right side of app they can be move it to SD card??
This is my first phone with more than 8GB internal storage, so the 32GB feels like a giant space with so much room for activities. However, I'm getting greedy and want even more games installed.
I have a 64GB SD card installed, with around 12GB free. I've gone into Settings > Apps and on the Downloaded tab I select a large game, X-Com for example. It says:
Total: 2.94 GB
App: 53.22 MB
App (SD Card): 2.89 GB
Data: 212 KB
Data (SD Card): 0.00 B
So for some reason it already thinks it's on the SD Card, even though it's on the internal memory. It even gives me an option to Move to SD. I tap that, it says it's moving it, and to not remove the SD card. The numbers change slightly as to what is stored where. But when I go into the app DiskUsage, it still shows the huge data files sitting on the internal memory.
I'm assuming that the phone/OS sees the internal memory as an SD card perhaps? So when it says move to SD it's still just moving it to the same location, or perhaps a different location on the internal memory?
So like I said, I'm getting greedy, I can of course just delete some games when I want to install different ones, but this seems like an odd issue. I'm wondering if there's a quick and easy way around it. I know I can root and use something like FolderMount, but I'd rather stay unrooted for now.
Thanks!
Generally, I think that internal memory is regarded now as an SD card. Though I don't think that makes much sense. And your example of "move to SD" just shifting it in internal memory sounds like false advertising on the part of Google. But I can assure you that this is an OS (Android) issue, not a phone (LG) issue, unless someone knows otherwise. But what you want to look for is "External SD" not just SD (as that's internal memory. Since you mentioned "Move to SD," I'm guessing you're using the stock resources in settings. Unfortunately, Google removed the ability for 3rd party apps to write to external SD. And there has been major blowback from Android users, but Google isn't budging. This has been since Kit Kat was released (version 4.4 and on, Lollipop is 5.0 and on). I would recommend looking with the File Manager app since it's stock so it can read and write to External SD, in case you want to manually move anything, but I wouldn't recommend that with any apps since the system won't know that it was moved. Also use the File Manager app to familiarize yourself with the file system. If you select all files, it should show internal memory and External SD, unless that changed with Lolly. But I forgot to ask, have you checked to make sure your External SD card is mounted? You can see in disk usage, I think. Sorry if that was a lit.
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