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Hi every one,
As far i know, there is a BUG on every official ROM for European GSM Touch Pro2.
When your battery get full charged and keeping it plugged to the wallcharger, then your Pro2 start taking the power from your battery and NOT from the charger.
This can be checked by yourself and you will see that even with it connected, the battery in running down charge, till you unplug it and plug it again after some minutes/seconds.
Yeah, I have noticed it as well. Anyone have a solution?
Not a bug. LiPoly's do not like being trickle charged, therefore the charger turns off.
I have not verified it on the TP2 but I suspect that if you let it sit long enough the battery level would drop to some level and the charger would charge it back to 100%.
This is a rather good new if it can manage battery loads cycles...
khaytsus said:
Not a bug. LiPoly's do not like being trickle charged, therefore the charger turns off.
I have not verified it on the TP2 but I suspect that if you let it sit long enough the battery level would drop to some level and the charger would charge it back to 100%.
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It oughta turn the charger off and run the device from the mains, though, not from the battery. Is it doing that?
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It oughta turn the charger off and run the device from the mains, though, not from the battery. Is it doing that?
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No it is NOT doing that, so to me it is a BUG.
just thought i would add this
for some reason on saturday i charged my phone via usb/pc and it lasted less than 24 hrs
so on sunday i drained it and charged it vis the plug
its still going noe
72 hrs 23 mins in stanby 30 mins talk and 4 hrs 7 mins use since 17.43 on 18/10/09
is never been this good so i thought it may be the new rom
http://www.batteryuniversity.com/partone-21.htm
Lithium-ion
(Li-ion)
Do charge the battery often. The battery lasts longer with partial rather than full discharges.
Do not use if pack gets hot during charge. Check also charger.
Charge methods: Constant voltage to 4.20V/cell (typical). No trickle-charge when full. Li-ion may remain in the charger (no memory). Battery must remain cool. No fast-charge possible.
Rapid charge = 3h
also i have read some where on xda that once it reaches 100% it'll stop charging
godefroi said:
It oughta turn the charger off and run the device from the mains, though, not from the battery. Is it doing that?
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You know of any other modern phone that runs off the mains without the battery? None of my last three phones would without the battery.
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You know of any other modern phone that runs off the mains without the battery? None of my last three phones would without the battery.
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My Kaiser will. It turns off when you pull the battery, but you can turn it right back on.
Every one is talking about battery and it's components but no one speaks about that with charger pluged in, it should supply power and by pass the battery once it is fully charged like others models do.
sounds like you all need to do warranty exchanges for that lol
Tallpap said:
sounds like you all need to do warranty exchanges for that lol
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No, what we need is that HTC do what we paid for.
User22 said:
Every one is talking about battery and it's components but no one speaks about that with charger pluged in, it should supply power and by pass the battery once it is fully charged like others models do.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=571606 some people here probably would help
xnifex said:
it's true, once the TP2 hits 100% it stops charging the battery & the usage time will kick in.
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and on this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=573037&page=4 which a guy says
mattdoyal said:
Just tried my TP2 without the battery and plugged, didn't power on. Why would they take away the ability to power on while plugged in but with the battery removed?? This was and would be a great troubleshooting step. Hey HTC, start building our phones with this option!!
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i hope this helps
Have in mind that once the battery is fully charged, it never go to charge again till you unplug the cable of your wall/car charger... so what will hapen then???
hello anyone know about the issue with the battery ok when i charge my euro tp2 all night and when i go to start>settings>all settings>system>power i then click on the infomation tab and under last full charge i get "not applicable" and get 0 hours and 0minute for the rest
im running the offical htc 6.5 rom
To me this sounds CRAZY. So people are saying that when the device is fully charged it starts to use its battery, thats just crazy... So basically charging it overnight leaves you with "almost" full battery in the morning...
I havent noticed anything out of the ordinary, and every morning when I come and take my device from the charger the charging light is green (opposed to the orange when started charging) and the battery shows to be 100% full.
I will check this again in the morning as I havent really paid 10000% attention to it, but I think I would have noticed the weird behaviour…
noticed this since day 1. my dash didnt do this. i did notice that a soft reset will resume the charge.
This is normal behavior for battery powered devices.
When it's plugged in, the charge circuit charges the battery.
The device itself always runs off the battery when it's available, this is why some devices won't power on without the battery installed, and many devices won't power on with a failed battery installed.
Laptops do the same thing, though they can switch to AC only without losing their state.
It's a holdover I think from when electronics couldn't switch between power sources fast enough to not lose anything (I remember the original game boy would reset no matter what if you tried to switch between batt and AC). It's possible that cell phones can't make this transition since there isn't really extra space to stuff in the bits that allow this (some large-ish caps).
I've also heard that this reduces wear on the electronics, because the voltage is more reliable, but I've never seen that documented.
kay7 said:
The device itself always runs off the battery when it's available, this is why some devices won't power on without the battery installed, and many devices won't power on with a failed battery installed.
Laptops do the same thing, though they can switch to AC only without losing their state.
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I don't think this is true for (modern) laptops. All the macbooks and thinkpads that I've owned had a feature that if you plug it in while the battery is above X% (usually around 96) it will not charge. It even gives a message saying "Not Charging" in the battery status. The battery percentage then stays constant no matter how long I use the laptop, so it is not DIScharging either. Therefore it must be running from AC. If it can do that, I doubt they would have it run off the battery as soon as it is charged to 100% on a full charge cycle. I think any time AC is plugged in, a modern laptop will run from AC rather than battery, regardless of whether it is currently charging the battery. However, that's just my theory from personal observations.
As you all know, the Evo battery charging mechanism is very quirky. If you are using the stock battery, the mechanism is not THAT bad once you understand how it works. If, like me, you are using the 3500 battery, charging the battery in the Evo is pretty much futile. Reason being, for some reason the Evo still thinks it is charging the stock battery despite the fact that you have a battery that is 2.5 the capacity in it. What this means is, the fully charged green light comes on at about the 65% level and you ultimately have to play a guessing game as to when the battery is actually charged. This is also after calibrating and wiping stats and doing whatever dumb HTC/sprint charging "trick" out there.
I am pleading here for someone to create an app that measures the true capacity and charge level of the battery so that we can all, especially extended battery users, know when the battery is actually fully charged. I am positive that there are donations in the project as this app will benefit all Evo users.
Please help and thanks in advance.
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I've been looking at the 3500mAh batteries as well, would love to get one, but i flat refuse to pry open my Evo everytime I want a FULL charge (having to resort to wall charging)
I'm not an expert in electrical engineering at all but I'm going to make an educated guess that the charging circuitry is independant of anything that the OS itself can control. Even with the phone 100% off it still has to obey the "rules" of charging that HTC setup. (i.e. charging to 100% then running off battery till it hits 90%) So I don't see how there can be an easy workaround for extended battery users if they want a true 100% charge.
I'd love a bit more juice myself, but like I said the only time I want to have to open up the back is if im upgrading my mSD card. If and until someone can come up with a solution, hell yeah! Until then I will just play with juice defender and hone my battery saving ability via software
I know the Battery Time app you can put in how big your battery is. Just select other when choosing your phone.
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in for progress on this.
so tell me even though the phone thinks the battery is charged, does it stop charging it too?
If I remember correctly that may have to be done in the ROM/kernel, there is most likely a charging timer somewhere in there that stops it for safety reasons.
When changing the timer remember that the batteries are actually closer to 2800mAh than 3500, you don't want to overcharge it.
http://batteryboss.org/
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in for progress on this.
so tell me even though the phone thinks the battery is charged, does it stop charging it too?
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No it continues to charge which is even more nonsensical and adds to the frustrating guessing game. Seidio recommends that you keep the phone on the charger for 2-3 hours passed the time that the light turns green. Again, more guess work.
xHausx said:
If I remember correctly that may have to be done in the ROM/kernel, there is most likely a charging timer somewhere in there that stops it for safety reasons.
When changing the timer remember that the batteries are actually closer to 2800mAh than 3500, you don't want to overcharge it.
http://batteryboss.org/
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I think you are referring to wiping battery stats. I have tried this on several Roms and kernels to no avail. Also, if you aren't rooted, how would you go about wiping stats? An app would help a lot of people out.
Also after doing some more research and testing, any app that provides battery level that I have used including OS monitor, spare parts, etc. will basically spit out what the OS is telling it and not measure the true level. Unfortunatley, the OS is stuck on stupid and we are back to the original issue.
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I think you are referring to wiping battery stats. I have tried this on several Roms and kernels to no avail. Also, if you aren't rooted, how would you go about wiping stats? An app would help a lot of people out.
Also after doing some more research and testing, any app that provides battery level that I have used including OS monitor, spare parts, etc. will basically spit out what the OS is telling it and not measure the true level. Unfortunatley, the OS is stuck on stupid and we are back to the original issue.
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I don't believe it is possible for an app to do what you are wanting, the charging process is controlled by the operating system itself and is built into the kernel.
There are two main steps to charging a li-ion and the first one finishes when the battery is around 70% full. So either something is causing the phone not to start the second part of the process, it is just timing out thinking that battery should have been by that time, or, since the batteries have circuitry inside of them, it could be the battery itself that is doing it. Have you tried charging your phone through your USB port? It takes longer but the battery may not like how much power the wall charger pushes through it.
Edit: I think I misread your OP, does your phone stop charging when it says it's full or does it keep charging?
xHausx said:
I don't believe it is possible for an app to do what you are wanting, the charging process is controlled by the operating system itself and is built into the kernel.
There are two main steps to charging a li-ion and the first one finishes when the battery is around 70% full. So either something is causing the phone not to start the second part of the process, it is just timing out thinking that battery should have been by that time, or, since the batteries have circuitry inside of them, it could be the battery itself that is doing it. Have you tried charging your phone through your USB port? It takes longer but the battery may not like how much power the wall charger pushes through it.
Edit: I think I misread your OP, does your phone stop charging when it says it's full or does it keep charging?
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The phone continues to charge. Based on what you are saying and my own findings, it seems the phone is reporting that initial charge at 70% as 100% when using the 3500 battery.
I am in the midst of testing some things right now related to all of this and will report back.
MSmith1 said:
The phone continues to charge. Based on what you are saying and my own findings, it seems the phone is reporting that initial charge at 70% as 100% when using the 3500 battery.
I am in the midst of testing some things right now related to all of this and will report back.
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Thanks keep us up to date. I bought this battery too so very interested in any possible solution you find.
Basically the os says its 100% when in reality its not even close, more like 65% right?
Jsimon9633 said:
Thanks keep us up to date. I bought this battery too so very interested in any possible solution you find.
Basically the os says its 100% when in reality its not even close, more like 65% right?
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Yes. 10char.
how does the phone read the charge or does it?
maybe a glitch in regulating the flow?
any software determine could do this?
mine charges a good 8-10 hrs a night
never had a phone that needed more
anyone had to buy a standard battery replacement and get better battery?
software or hardware?
Jsimon9633 said:
Thanks keep us up to date. I bought this battery too so very interested in any possible solution you find.
Basically the os says its 100% when in reality its not even close, more like 65% right?
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Looks like I failed again. This issue really needs attention from someone well versed with how the Evo charges the battery and how to tweak the reporting deep in the android system. Wiping battery stats in recovery does not solve this issue. We need a SetBat!
I got curious so I looked at the evo's source and found that it stops charging when it thinks the battery is full and doesn't start again until it drops down to 80%. Although it should start charging again if you unplug it and then plug it back in. To fix it you will need someone to make drivers for your battery and incorporate it into a ROM.
Sorry I can't help more but compiling ROMs is still a little bit over my head right now.
xHausx said:
I got curious so I looked at the evo's source and found that it stops charging when it thinks the battery is full and doesn't start again until it drops down to 80%. Although it should start charging again if you unplug it and then plug it back in. To fix it you will need someone to make drivers for your battery and incorporate it into a ROM.
Sorry I can't help more but compiling ROMs is still a little bit over my head right now.
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Very interesting. The problem here is, the Evo stops charging when it thinks the stock battery is at 100 even though you have an extended battery in it.
I guess we would need a talented dev to compile a fix. Hoping that this thread can bring some attention to that. Looks like we have progress already!
Here are my findings from the monitoring I was doing earlier. It's a lazy Saturday for me so I actually had the time to watch the battery charge. For background info, I am using CM6RC2 and Snap 7.01 with the Seidio 3500 battery.
I let my battery deplete completely last night and woke up to charge it. Knowing full well that the Evo does not charge the battery correctly, I did some research into how I could properly monitor the charge on my own. What we are basically looking to do is to charge the battery to or close to 4.2v. You can monitor this yourself using any battery monitoring program. I was using spare parts.
What I saw was, the battery would charge to what the Evo thought was 100 or close to 100 for the stock 1500 battery, the green light came on and the reporting stats of charge/voltage stopped there. The phone was reporting a constant charge of 100 and the voltage froze at 3.9v despite the fact that the battery was actually charged to around 60-65%. These numbers froze there for a long period of time. The 100/green light never went away and the freeze in voltage reporting lasted about 1+ hours. The freeze at 3.9v was basically the OS reporting the 3.9v in error because it still was thinking that the stock battery was in the phone. The actual battery charge level was neither 100 nor 3.9 volts. Like I said, the voltage stayed at 3.9 for a while, lets say an hour+, and then it started charging up again to 4.2. I saw all of this happen in spare parts. The highest I saw the voltage get was 4207. It took around 5 hours to get to this point. Once it was close enough to 4.2, I rebooted into recovery and wiped my battery stats using Clockwork. On reboot, the battery was actually around 95%. Now I could have plugged the phone back in and repeated they process above but, as this point I basically gave up knowing that I couldn't really go through this type of process ever again because I never have time to sit there and watch a battery charge.
So back to point of this post, we need someone to find a way to have the Evo report true battery stats for extended batteries and not continually have the phone think that it is charging the stock battery. I don't know if it can be done in an app, in a rom, or in a kernel but, however we can get this done, it would be more than amazing.
I have never had a problem with my 3500 Seidio Battery in terms of charging.
I have never had less than 90% charge when I leave for work. But as it has been pointed out multiple times, this phone charges till 100% and then works off the battery until it hits 90%. In essence, this phone will never be charged to 100% unless you do it while turned off or quite possibly with the battery out of the phone.
Next time you think you don't have a full charge, take it off the charger, turn it off and then back on. Then stick it back on the charger, you will see that the charge is down to say.... 93% then it should start charging again. But too be honest, on a 3500mAh Battery, I really don't see the need. If you really need 100%, the best way to achieve this is with the phone turned off.
there are people in evo forums across the net that would donate en masse for this once word spreads. if it needs to be unique to each battery, the four most used are stock, 1750, 3000 chinese (what I have), and 3500 seidio. I would definitely donate for a true fix
Brutal-Force said:
I have never had a problem with my 3500 Seidio Battery in terms of charging.
I have never had less than 90% charge when I leave for work. But as it has been pointed out multiple times, this phone charges till 100% and then works off the battery until it hits 90%. In essence, this phone will never be charged to 100% unless you do it while turned off or quite possibly with the battery out of the phone.
Next time you think you don't have a full charge, take it off the charger, turn it off and then back on. Then stick it back on the charger, you will see that the charge is down to say.... 93% then it should start charging again. But too be honest, on a 3500mAh Battery, I really don't see the need. If you really need 100%, the best way to achieve this is with the phone turned off.
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I assume that you keep your phone charging all night?
If so, this isn't really for people who do that. This is more for people looking to charger their phone to at or near 100 on the go, at work, etc.
Also, 10% on the extended battery is probably a difference of at least an hour more battery. I'd say even more. That's a lot of time to me personally.
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there are people in evo forums across the net that would donate en masse for this once word spreads. if it needs to be unique to each battery, the four most used are stock, 1750, 3000 chinese (what I have), and 3500 seidio. I would definitely donate for a true fix
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Agreed. I'd rather donate money to a true fix than buy an external charger. I have funds to donate for this READY TO GO ASAP.
I think this is a firmware related issue.. I cannot count how many posts and different senarios (batteries, chargers, rom's) I have read, yet still this issue remains. The only things I have ran across that actually works is:
1. Charging the battery externally (wall charger, dock, or etc)
2. Charging phone while phone is turned off.
3. Bump charging (aka: battery conditioning, battery syncing, "plug/unplug method")
4. Clearing the battery stats
Edit: Changed the title to make the answer easier to find. The battery popup killer mod has nothing to do with why the battery level drops after unplugging, as you will learn when you read the linked article. Now, on to my original post...
Pretty much every ROM for the Epic now incorporates the Battery Full Popup Killer mod at this point, but are we sure there aren't any unintended side effects of it? Is the battery charge state still being recorded to the batterystats.bin file? I know when you delete it through a file manager, or reset the stats through CWM, it does regenerate, but there is a lot more info in that file than just the full and empty charge levels of the battery, so it would be regenerated for the other services that use it.
I've had issues with my battery reporting that it's full, but only showing a charge of anywhere between 94-98%. Now, if my battery were actually defective, and losing capacity faster than normal, the batterystats.bin file should be compensating for that by recording the lower full charge level and adjusting the percent reporting accordingly, but it doesn't seem to be doing that.
So, are we sure the state of the battery is being recorded, even though the popup is being blocked? What else could be causing this issue with so many people reporting that their batteries aren't charging to full?
Questions need to go in the q&a section to keep the development section for pure development. Or as a reply on someones thread/rom. Although I have seen this question raised once before on mammons thread I think. I think the answer was that the battery is not set to charge to 100, and some other technictal details I can't remember. But from a day 1 owner of epic, my phone has never charged above 96-98, it will go to 100, but the second I pull it off charger down to 96-98. Even stock, with no mods to the battery popup notification. And now being on a rom that does have that no pop up notification, so I don't have to get woken up from a vibrating phone, there is no change. I'm sure someone else can give you the more detailed explination though.
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I forgot that there was a Q&A thread in the development section, sorry to clutter things up. Thanks for the details, I'll see if I can find the Mammon thread that has the same question in it.
Hopefully this gets moved to the proper section as its a good question. Firon and I did some early work on this mod and I can tell you that we simply aimed at the graphical display and then stopped it from reporting. We didn't alter how it reports %s in anyway. I can also say that this issue is found in a stock epic right out of the box. My feelings are that the actual code for charging the battery is done this way on purpose which is lazy and over cautious imho, maybe they were worried about ruining batteries or even having one explode. Sounds like poor project management in any case.
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OK, after searching through the threads for a little while, I found a very good article dealing with this issue.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/1...bump-charging-and-inconsistent-battery-drain/
Basically, the battery is supposed to charge to 100%, and then it stops charging to drop the battery level down to a safe level. It will then periodically charge the battery again to maintain a high (but safe) charge level, but never back to 100%. The batteries used in smartphones today aren't safe to keep at 100%, nor is it good for them (they corrode faster), so the charging system keeps them at a full, but not completely full state during the charging process. The phone will report the battery as being full while plugged in, even though it could be running fully on battery power at that moment and a few percentage points below 100%. It does this to make it easy for regular users to know when their phone is finished charging. It's only when you delve into the details that you start to see that the battery isn't actually fully charged, and start to rip your hair out when trying to figure out why it won't do it.
To sum up the entire article, it's supposed to do that. There isn't anything wrong with your battery, or your phone, it's done to prolong the life of the battery, and so the battery won't explode or catch fire by being held at 100% for too long.
The only time my battery meter reads 100% is when I pop a fresh battery in from my external charger.
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I should have also added in my last post that bump charging does actually work, but will decrease the life of your battery. The experiment that the author of the linked article concluded that bump charging until the phone actually reads 100% while unplugged increased his battery charge by around 15%. Now, if holding your battery at 100% causes premature corrosion, it only makes sense that holding it at 115% causes corrosion at a greater rate.
If you absolutely must get the most time out of your battery, and are willing to buy a new one later on, go ahead a bump charge the **** out of that battery. The author suggests (and sites battery university as a source) that the best way to go about battery charging is to do several short charges throughout the day, rather than 1 deep charge from 0 to 100%.
Also, the author suggests that you stop obsessing on what the reported charge is telling you, and just use your phone.
Still makes no sense. They could code it to say 100% when its at 95% then so we atleast have the impression that its as full as could be safely. Like I said, over cautious and lazy imho...
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Yeah, I suppose it is, but then it wouldn't be accurately reporting the battery level, which I guess is what Android's goal is. Personally, I'd prefer that if 95% is as much as I'm going to get out of a charge, than Android should just lie to me and tell me it's 100%.
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The only time my battery meter reads 100% is when I pop a fresh battery in from my external charger.
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same here, was going to say this as well.
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same here, was going to say this as well.
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I wonder if that's because the charge process brings the battery to 100% initially, then stops charging. Since the battery is in an external charger, there's nothing to draw power from it, so when it hits 100% and stops charging, it remains at 100% until there's a draw on the power.
I'm curious as to whether or not the user guide for the external charger mentions anything about not leaving your charged battery sit for a certain length of time. Based on the linked article, it's claimed that keeping the battery at 100% is damaging to it.
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I wonder if that's because the charge process brings the battery to 100% initially, then stops charging. Since the battery is in an external charger, there's nothing to draw power from it, so when it hits 100% and stops charging, it remains at 100% until there's a draw on the power.
I'm curious as to whether or not the user guide for the external charger mentions anything about not leaving your charged battery sit for a certain length of time. Based on the linked article, it's claimed that keeping the battery at 100% is damaging to it.
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that's probably true about there not being anything to draw power when it's in the ext. charger. the funny thing is, I will pop in the fresh battery, and it will boot up the phone, and I can even do a several things, and the battery will still be at 100!
I try to take the battery out of the charger as soon as possible once it hits full charge, but I'm not always able to. I don't think there were any instructions wth the charger.... the whole thing was prety minimal: I paid my 12 bucks, or whatever, and never heard from them at all, until 2 weeks later an envelope arrived from China, containing only a charger and 2 batteries, lol.
I have both the Samsung OEM battery charger that they sell in the sprint store, and the cheepo Hong Kong charger that comes with knock off batteries. They both stop charging when the chip in the battery says it's full. Neither one had any documentation. I've seen zero negative effects from leaving any of my 5 oem batteries fully charged for long periods of time. The two knockoff batteries I had both died permenantly after about a month.
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I have both the Samsung OEM battery charger that they sell in the sprint store, and the cheepo Hong Kong charger that comes with knock off batteries. They both stop charging when the chip in the battery says it's full. Neither one had any documentation. I've seen zero negative effects from leaving any of my 5 oem batteries fully charged for long periods of time. The two knockoff batteries I had both died permenantly after about a month.
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dang, i guess i've had better luck with the cheapos.... been running them daily for over 2 months, and can't tell any difference between them and the Samsung battery that came with the phone.
yogi2010 said:
dang, i guess i've had better luck with the cheapos.... been running them daily for over 2 months, and can't tell any difference between them and the Samsung battery that came with the phone.
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When they worked, they worked great. But one day I charged one up and stuck it in my pocket. When I stuck it in my phone, i got nothin. I took it home and put it back in the charger and the indicator light said it was fully charged but it was completely bone dead. Wouldn't take a charge at all. Same thing happened to the other one a couple weeks later. I have yet to have any problems with the oem batteries.
really nice article and it actually makes me feel a lot better. i thought it was attributed to certain ROMs somehow as i feel like i picked the phone up at 100 and it stayed there on some but not others. guess that was all placebo, lol. i think hte best part of the article is right at the end:
If you are someone who can top off your phone on a regular basis, do it. Plug it in when you’re at home. Plug it in when you’re at your desk. As explained by Battery University, "Several partial discharges with frequent recharges are better for lithium-ion than one deep one. Recharging a partially charged lithium-ion does not cause harm because there is no memory."[2]
peace
Thanks for the informative thread
What is best in terms of battery longevity?
1 - Wait until battery level fall below a certain level (and which % is ideal to start charging)
or
2- Charge the battery as frequently soon as possible
Thanks for any advice
Lithium batteries last longer if you do not disharge them all the way..
I don't have reference material handy. If you really want some, I will try and find some again..
But basically charge the battery whenever you can or at least do not let it go below say 20 or 25 percent if you are concerned about that. Since our devices have a replaceable battery I do not stress out over it too much. If I cut 6 months off the battery and it only lasts me a year or so, I can always just put in a new one, they are not that expensive..
Now on a device without a replaceable battery is where you really have to be concerned..
Drain till 20% then recharge it. Best way to use lithium battery.
kyokeun1234 said:
Drain till 20% then recharge it. Best way to use lithium battery.
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Thank you gentlement for your advice. So far, I connect the USB cable each time I sit at the desk. Even if battery is 9x% full. I will stop doing this now.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
says it's best to keep the battery charged. best to keep the battery levels at 40-90%
ceejay83 said:
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
says it's best to keep the battery charged. best to keep the battery levels at 40-90%
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Huh, I heard it was around 20%~80%...
kyokeun1234 said:
Huh, I heard it was around 20%~80%...
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yea could be, just don't discharge or overcharge the battery :good:
i haven't looked into it lately. but i'm pretty sure our phones don't discharge the battery till it's technically at 0% (~3V)
i'll run my phone down tonight and check it with a mutlimeter to verify...
i wouldn't be surprised to find out the phone stops charging the battery before it's at a true 100% either. so i guess i'll check that too.
crazy talk said:
i wouldn't be surprised to find out the phone stops charging the battery before it's at a true 100% either. so i guess i'll check that too.
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I was also puzzled by the warning of overcharging issue. I read somewhere that the GalNexus has an electronic which prevents overcharging. I am very interested by your verification if that is true. Because frankly, it would be very inconvenient to wake in the middle of every night to disconnect the charger.
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I was also puzzled by the warning of overcharging issue. I read somewhere that the GalNexus has an electronic which prevents overcharging. I am very interested by your verification if that is true. Because frankly, it would be very inconvenient to wake in the middle of every night to disconnect the charger.
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there are wall chargers that have timers on them, they shut off power after a custom time
You can't overcharge a phone by leaving it plugged in all night, the charging circuit only allows it to charge to a certain point. You can overcharge a phone by plugging it in everytime it hits 90% because you're being all OCD about it. Over time that will screw up your battery
The main thing you want to avoid is heat, which will seriously degrade the life of the battery. I only charge my phone once a day(before I go to bed). I've been doing this since I got my first Android device(well, my Nexus S had to be charged like 3 times a day :| ) and have never run into any premature battery failures.
speedyink said:
You can't overcharge a phone by leaving it plugged in all night, the charging circuit only allows it to charge to a certain point. You can overcharge a phone by plugging it in everytime it hits 90% because you're being all OCD about it. Over time that will screw up your battery
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Oh that's what overcharging mean? Ok thanks.
speedyink said:
You can't overcharge a phone by leaving it plugged in all night, the charging circuit only allows it to charge to a certain point. You can overcharge a phone by plugging it in everytime it hits 90% because you're being all OCD about it. Over time that will screw up your battery
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Quite the opposite is true, regarding the second part of your reply, actually.
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Actually, it's never a bad time to charge a lithium battery because the charge you are using is always the oldest added. Consider it as a bucket with golf balls and a hole at the bottom. You load golf balls from the top and use them one at a time from the hole on the bottom.
All lithium batteries have circuitry built into them to prevent overcharging but at the same time the circuitry needs power to operate. If you drain your battery down to nothing and leave it uncharged for a long time the circuitry will drain the reserve and you will not be able to charge it at all.
Another fact about lithium batteries is that you can charge them more times than their natural life span. So as soon as a battery is manufactured it starts to go bad just sitting on a shelf. So buy them fresh. They have thousands of charge cycles and only about 2-3 years life. So even if you charge all cells inside 2-3 times daily (remember the bucket analogy) that's only about 1,000 charges in a year.
Also, you could plug your phone in and out 100 times during one day and still not complete one full charge cycle.
Conclusion ; charge it whenever you can, whenever you want. You'll need a new battery in about 2-3 years anyway in which time you'll most likely get a new phone.
Thanks obsanity. Oh wow, this is indeed even better. Thank you very much for the technical background explanation.
So as soon as a battery is manufactured it starts to go bad just sitting on a shelf.
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Are those the cheap batteries you find on eBay, the kind of $20 for 3 batteries?
2LoT said:
Thanks obsanity. Oh wow, this is indeed even better. Thank you very much for the technical background explanation.
Are those the cheap batteries you find on eBay, the kind of $20 for 3 batteries?
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the cheap ebay batteries use a cheap/inferior chemistry. they may be capable of the same Mah as stock for example when new, but i wouldn't count on it to age as well compared to OEM.
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Actually, it's never a bad time to charge a lithium battery because the charge you are using is always the oldest added. Consider it as a bucket with golf balls and a hole at the bottom. You load golf balls from the top and use them one at a time from the hole on the bottom.
All lithium batteries have circuitry built into them to prevent overcharging but at the same time the circuitry needs power to operate. If you drain your battery down to nothing and leave it uncharged for a long time the circuitry will drain the reserve and you will not be able to charge it at all.
Another fact about lithium batteries is that you can charge them more times than their natural life span. So as soon as a battery is manufactured it starts to go bad just sitting on a shelf. So buy them fresh. They have thousands of charge cycles and only about 2-3 years life. So even if you charge all cells inside 2-3 times daily (remember the bucket analogy) that's only about 1,000 charges in a year.
Also, you could plug your phone in and out 100 times during one day and still not complete one full charge cycle.
Conclusion ; charge it whenever you can, whenever you want. You'll need a new battery in about 2-3 years anyway in which time you'll most likely get a new phone.
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Thanks for the clarification!
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Are those the cheap batteries you find on eBay, the kind of $20 for 3 batteries?
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I would say they are not only old but also fake claims of capacity. It's actually hard to measure how much a battery can hold so they take advantage of it. Who's going to prove them wrong?
system shutdown occurs on the Galaxy Nexus at 3.39 volts (assumed, measured voltage with no load is 3.42)
in theory you could get a bit better battery life at the cost of cell longevity by running it down to 3.2 volts. assuming the system could continue to function.
EDIT: full system charge is 4.2 volts, as expected. i don't see a practical benefit to modifying the system to run at below 3.4 volts, even if possible.
Is it safe to leave the phone plugged in 24/7 with "protect battery" on, which limits max charge to 85%?
Not a good idea. A power surge or near lightning strike could fry it. Rather pointless to leave it perpetually plugged in.
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Not a good idea. A power surge or near lightning strike could fry it. Rather pointless to leave it perpetually plugged in.
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I see. What about leaving it charging overnight while I sleep? Does it hurt the battery to have it plugged in while it is at 85% with "protected battery" on in the same way that it hurts to have it plugged in when it is at 100%?
A 40-72% charge is better; Li's love frequent midrange power cycling. 85% is ok but 80% or lower be better. Do what best suites your needs.
Batteries aren't a big deal to replace. I now replace my heavily used N10+ battery about every year now as a matter of routine maintenance.
However a battery failure is a big deal and seriously damage the phone. Any battery swelling (rear cover) is a battery failure, replace immediately.
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A 40-72% charge is better; Li's love frequent midrange power cycling. 85% is ok but 80% or lower be better. Do what best suites your needs.
Batteries aren't a big deal to replace. I now replace my heavily used N10+ battery about every year now as a matter of routine maintenance.
However a battery failure is a big deal and seriously damage the phone. Any battery swelling (rear cover) is a battery failure, replace immediately.
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I see. Too bad Samsung didn't choose 80% or make it selectable.
grayson73 said:
I see. Too bad Samsung didn't choose 80% or make it selectable.
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Like I said it's not a big deal. I just fast charge for 10-20 minutes when convenient.
You could put on a timer switch if it really bugs and slow charge it.
Why such concern ? Been charging all my phones since 2012 all day long on, during daytime, none of them was affected. Battery still same, last like new. Many of them still in use by my family members.
Example, I behaved like this to phones for around 1,5 - 2 years, then I got new one. So not just tiny short period of time.
Ing.King said:
Why such concern ? Been charging all my phones since 2012 all day long on, during daytime, none of them was affected. Battery still same, last like new. Many of them still in use by my family members.
Example, I behaved like this to phones for around 1,5 - 2 years, then I got new one. So not just tiny short period of time.
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Oh really? That's good to know. I thought fast charging, charging to 100%, or leaving it plugged in at 100% would degrade the battery.
Never actually carried about this, lucky me maybe, wait for other oppinions or exp.
make sure that it doesn't heat up. rest of it not affect too much.
I always charged my smart phones whole night.
Never faced any problem.
sunyakram said:
I always charged my smart phones whole night.
Never faced any problem.
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Higher cell voltage degrades the Li faster.
They are rated by full charge cycles; discharge until shutdown to 100% charged is a cycle.
Most have a rated life of 200 or so cycles.
High storage/use temperatures also can effect it's service life greatly as can rapid discharge cycles.
In any event when a Li reaches 80% of its original capacity it is degraded and should be replaced before it fails (which could destroy the phone).
On my heavily used N10+ I get about a year to 1.5 years of usable service life per battery.
Just replace the battery once it's degraded and otherwise don't worry about it if so inclined. Don't expect a 3 year service life though if it's charge cycle is fully or near fully cycled daily.
Leaving the charger H24 is less unsafe with the 85% limit enabled but it is not totally safe.
After the first charge starting the discharge and automatically the recharge. The result is the use of more number of recharging and the batteries doesn’t support an infinite number of this.
This worse if you use fast recharge, when I have to leave in charge all the night I use an old 5V 500mA charger.
Lightning strike... poof.
My S21FE half ended life yesterday, finished call and then died. Always on charger while in office. Startup possible but after Samsung logo always restart then loop. After 7 loops stays off. Sent to provider for claim. Maybe it is not related to battery, but you never know. Charging not working, no reaction after plug of the charger, even while turned off.
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My S21FE half ended life yesterday, finished call and then died. Always on charger while in office. Startup possible but after Samsung logo always restart then loop. After 7 loops stays off. Sent to provider for claim. Maybe it is not related to battery, but you never know. Charging not working, no reaction after plug of the charger, even while turned off.
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That sucks.
Hardware failure of some type. Bootup requires a lot of current so it maybe the battery.
Sounds more like a mobo failure...