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Help deciding - HTC Desire vs Nexus One

Hi,
First time posting on the forum but I have been following it for many months now and find it very helpful so thank you.
I am about to make the move from Touch Diamond 2 to either the HTC Desire or the Nexus One but I would like some help from the people on the forum in making the decision
Reasons to buy HTC Desire:
1) cheaper (with contract in France)
2) Sense UI - not mandatory but I am used to it from the Diamond2
3) Prefer buttons and optical trackball (I think but have not touched either device yet)
4) Sense UI allows me to Synch Exchange Calendar which would be important (but I know the N1 can use the Touchdown App)
Reasons to buy Nexus One:
1) Will get Android updates faster
So my big question is should I really be so worried at the speed that HTC will release the new Android updates (I have read that 2.2 might be available as of May 17th - but it is not yet clear what will be included)?
My biggest fear is that I will buy the HTC Desire and it will be stuck on 2.1 for the next year and the Nexus One will keep getting more and more features added. I have been reading about how the HTC Hero users are still waiting to get either 2.0 or 2.1 for months and would not like to be in the same boat if I can avoid it.
I have also been reading how the Desire can now be routed so should I put my faith in the XDA developers to keep the Desire updated even if HTC doesn't do it on their own? I have not tried routing and using the Custom Roms yet (on my Diamond2) but am willing to give it a try if needed on the Desire.
Thanks for anyone who can give me some advise on this purchase.
Shaun

schalmers said:
Hi,
First time posting on the forum but I have been following it for many months now and find it very helpful so thank you.
I am about to make the move from Touch Diamond 2 to either the HTC Desire or the Nexus One but I would like some help from the people on the forum in making the decision
Reasons to buy HTC Desire:
1) cheaper (with contract in France)
2) Sense UI - not mandatory but I am used to it from the Diamond2
3) Prefer buttons and optical trackball (I think but have not touched either device yet)
4) Sense UI allows me to Synch Exchange Calendar which would be important (but I know the N1 can use the Touchdown App)
Reasons to buy Nexus One:
1) Will get Android updates faster
So my big question is should I really be so worried at the speed that HTC will release the new Android updates (I have read that 2.2 might be available as of May 17th - but it is not yet clear what will be included)?
My biggest fear is that I will buy the HTC Desire and it will be stuck on 2.1 for the next year and the Nexus One will keep getting more and more features added. I have been reading about how the HTC Hero users are still waiting to get either 2.0 or 2.1 for months and would not like to be in the same boat if I can avoid it.
I have also been reading how the Desire can now be routed so should I put my faith in the XDA developers to keep the Desire updated even if HTC doesn't do it on their own? I have not tried routing and using the Custom Roms yet (on my Diamond2) but am willing to give it a try if needed on the Desire.
Thanks for anyone who can give me some advise on this purchase.
Shaun
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Get a Desire.......Now that it's rooted you're gonna get updates due to the fantastic work on XDA and modaco. Period. Its a no Brainer man!
Regards
Mo

Thank you, That is how I was feeling but I wanted to be reassured
I guess I will just have to learn how to Root update the Desire with out bricking it. Luckily I have also been learning Linux the past few years as it looks like that is also necessary for the rooting.
Thanks for the feedback

[Q] which phone to choose

Hi,
I posted a poll here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=822642
to have some advices from you
Could you help me to choose between the HTC Desire and HTC Wildfire?
I really don't know which noe to take.
Thanks ;-)

Are You serious man? I don't know any advantage of the wildfire over the Desire... the wildfires specs are all worse than the Desires ones

Even The htc hero is way more powerfull than the wildfire! Also it looks ****ty with the awful qvga resolution
Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk

Id rather have my old G1 that a Wildfire. Its a midget Nexus/Desire hybrid with a crap res and even worse specs.
But if you lile throwing your money at people in exchange for rubbish phones then go for it

[Poll][Community effort]Best way to tell HTC that Desire is lacking updates?!

Hey all!
- So.. we want sense 2.0 right?
- We want Gingerbread right?
- MS Exchange support in Mail client (add account fails..)?
- Maybe a fix for the SMS not sending the sms to the recipient (rare.. but known, see the thread for Desire's bugs)
... I propose we create a common message to HTC asking for updates.
My main reason for this is the same lame answer everyone gets after emailing them for a certain update/fix.
We always get the "we don't know when" or "HTC makes sure you have the latest blah blah blah.."
Let's make a stand and say to HTC we don't want them to be like other companies that don't update "older" models!
Desire's hardware can - surely - withstand Gingerbread + Sense, Sense 2.0 and more..
The specs aren't near old enough not to have the latests features Android has to offer!
So.. with that in mind maybe you could unite our efforts and take a common action..
I'm suggesting the ones in the poll.. have another idea?
Update:
!PANDA as suggested sending the link to this thread to HTC.. so plz leave a reply

Once loads of people have voted, we all e-mail htc with the link to this poll, so they'll actually see this as most of the time they just send us templates.
The same has been done with the 1.24.161.3 vodafone update (just update, no poll used)
That is all. Good Bye.
Sent from my HTC Desire using the XDApp. Pure Madness.

Of course it doesn't hurt to ask them for further support I think it is still to soon to say they won't support us. I think we will get an upgrade to gingerbread, maybe even with sense 2.0 (which I think is the biggest obstacle because the rom is so large otherwise it should run fine( and it does on my phone))
It took them 3 months to port froyo...

tiotempestade said:
Hey all!
- So.. we want sense 2.0 right?
- We want Gingerbread right?
- MS Exchange support in Mail client (add account fails..)?
- Maybe a fix for the SMS not sending the sms to the recipient (rare.. but known, see the thread for Desire's bugs)
... I propose we create a common message to HTC asking for updates.
My main reason for this is the same lame answer everyone gets after emailing them for a certain update/fix.
We always get the "we don't know when" or "HTC makes sure you have the latest blah blah blah.."
Let's make a stand and say to HTC we don't want them to be like other companies that don't update "older" models!
Desire's hardware can - surely - withstand Gingerbread + Sense, Sense 2.0 and more..
The specs aren't near old enough not to have the latests features Android has to offer!
So.. with that in mind maybe you could unite our efforts and take a common action..
I'm suggesting the ones in the poll.. have another idea?
Update:
!PANDA as suggested sending the link to this thread to HTC.. so plz leave a reply
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We already have the first 2 on your list - look through the first 2 pages of the 'Desire Android Development' thread....
My experience is that HTC do whatever HTC want to do. They would much rather have you spend some more $$ on a new device than pour effort into updating/supporting your old one. Now I'm not saying that's how it should be, just saying that's how it is.
That's why this place is so valuable - people spend the time and effort to provide stuff HTC (and others) never intended you to have.
Gotta love XDA Devs
Good luck with your idea tho.

godutch said:
Of course it doesn't hurt to ask them for further support I think it is still to soon to say they won't support us. I think we will get an upgrade to gingerbread, maybe even with sense 2.0 (which I think is the biggest obstacle because the rom is so large otherwise it should run fine( and it does on my phone))
It took them 3 months to port froyo...
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Er..
It is too soon to have gingerbread.. of course it is!
But what about the messaging thing? Has it ever happened to you? It's kinda bothering to send something you wrote to your girlfriend and have it delivered to your boss.. Who knows he might like it or he might sue you for sexual harassment..
JK, but seriously, there's little things that should be fixed.
For example showing the sms you sent as a reply before the sms that originated the reply..
The ms exchange mail thing..
I believe they will take a while to give us 2.3 and we have to understand that Sense is a very good GUI (the best I've experienced so far..) because it is well programmed and tested. So HTC is just "protecting" their image by taking three months to port the new version of Android.
But look for example the case of Sony Ericson saying 2.1 is too good already and future updates shouldn't be expected.. Sure their costumers replied back.. and now they're getting 2.2 on some models.. (We'll see..)
My point here is that by requesting fixes and updates we are showing that we are satisfied costumers and want it to continue that way. So in a month or two, if there's no 2.3 for Desire maybe we can have this thread to show dis contempt..
(And by the way.. Sense 2.0 isn't that big of an obstacle.. it's already working entirely in Desire's NAND.. just have a look at some DHD ROMs ports to Desire in the Development section.. Saying that Sense 2.0 won't fit in Desire's NAND is saying that XDA has better chefs than HTC... lol )

cr1960 said:
We already have the first 2 on your list - look through the first 2 pages of the 'Desire Android Development' thread....
My experience is that HTC do whatever HTC want to do. They would much rather have you spend some more $$ on a new device than pour effort into updating/supporting your old one. Now I'm not saying that's how it should be, just saying that's how it is.
That's why this place is so valuable - people spend the time and effort to provide stuff HTC (and others) never intended you to have.
Gotta love XDA Devs
Good luck with your idea tho.
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Sorry.. forgot to put the 5th option on the poll
"Nahh.. it's good the way it is.."
(not saying it isn't.. )
I meant official updates dummy!!...

tiotempestade said:
Sorry.. forgot to put the 5th option on the poll
"Nahh.. it's good the way it is.."
(not saying it isn't.. )
I meant official updates dummy!!...
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I'm a results focussed kind of guy - official/unofficial who cares just as long as it works

Don't get me wrong, I'm also that focused. But if you end up with a bricked phone it kinda.. no longer works..

I was thinking that the DHD ports has sense running too.... so we just need HTC to allow us to connect to htcsense.com with a DHD port too!
I want the mail app fixed so it works with hotmail eas... surely its a small bug fix...
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

Lothaen said:
I was thinking that the DHD ports has sense running too.... so we just need HTC to allow us to connect to htcsense.com with a DHD port too!
I want the mail app fixed so it works with hotmail eas... surely its a small bug fix...
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App
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DHD ports (with Sense 2.0) work in sense.com
It's just not officially available.. But you can try it..
I recommend Alex-V's DHD ROM..

This poll equates to the following:
"Hi BMW,
I bought a 3 series last year with a 2-litre engine and I now see you have a 2.5-litre engine. When can I book in my new engine?"
Bit extreme, I know, but HTC don't have to update the Desire to anything. They're a business and they release new phones with new software. We might get it, we might not

That can be true in car business. But smart phone making is different. And when you buy car you are not only buying finished product but in most cases also 1, 2, 3, 5 year guarantee that include replace car, tow service, help on road if yours car stops obedience. Bmw also has free maintenance for first 100.000km or 5 years. Every business has its rules. And we as buyers of smartphones we set them. So, i ll buy my next phone from company that will offer me at least 2 years of updates. Thats the reason i don’t buy samsung anymore. Hope i don’t need to search for new manufacture. I like htc. But updates are important to me.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

bubigrega said:
That can be true in car business. But smart phone making is different. And when you buy car you are not only buying finished product but in most cases also 1, 2, 3, 5 year guarantee that include replace car, tow service, help on road if yours car stops obedience. Bmw also has free maintenance for first 100.000km or 5 years. Every business has its rules. And we as buyers of smartphones we set them. So, i ll buy my next phone from company that will offer me at least 2 years of updates. Thats the reason i don’t buy samsung anymore. Hope i don’t need to search for new manufacture. I like htc. But updates are important to me.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App
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Not just to you. HTC should provide the official updated, and although you can say that we already 'have' them, you shouldn't really have to root the phone to have them. A phone like our Desire ain't cheap, we should at least get HTC's service as well as the product. So far, we've had the product, and in most cases very good product, but the updates arn't here, which sometimes makes Nokia look better: me and other members sent them an e-mail regarding an update with kinetik scrolling etc, it happened withing a couple of weeks! Come on HTC, Nokia knows how to listen to its customers, so if you want us to stay loyal, you have to be loyal to us.
That is all. Good Bye.

tiotempestade said:
DHD ports (with Sense 2.0) work in sense.com
It's just not officially available.. But you can try it..
I recommend Alex-V's DHD ROM..
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don't you need a DHD serial number?
I don't have one

I'm fine with buying a new phone when the updates will no longer go on them.
I flashed my HTC Touch HD with WinMo6.5.3 to make sure it was updated when I found HTC wouldn't push out anymore updates... I'm just waiting for that point when HTC won't push any updates out, or they won't fit on anymore then I'll probably be rooting and flashing...
I purchased my Desire in about July 2010 for around £390 - that's the most I've paid for a phone and I don't intend giving it up just yet...

Lothaen said:
I'm fine with buying a new phone when the updates will no longer go on them.
I flashed my HTC Touch HD with WinMo6.5.3 to make sure it was updated when I found HTC wouldn't push out anymore updates... I'm just waiting for that point when HTC won't push any updates out, or they won't fit on anymore then I'll probably be rooting and flashing...
I purchased my Desire in about July 2010 for around £390 - that's the most I've paid for a phone and I don't intend giving it up just yet...
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However, some people can not afford to buy new phones, just make the most if what they've got, but HTC will not even do that! Okay, Froyo wasn't that bad for the unbranded devices, but why shoul our providers get the updates to brand them?! People who don;t know what branding is etc, will think that HTC is just not as good as other phones, Nokia for example- no barnding, and although there may be some on the case of the phone, no Software Branding. Therefore, updates are pushed a lot quicker!
Back to the point, people like me want to make sure that they get as much as they can for what we pay, and for that reason, I don't think that HTC is as helpful as they can be.
That is al. Good Bye.

Desire / Nexus S
If HTC makes an update ill buy desire if not ill buy Nexus S, maybe........maybe not......ohh i LOVE the htc sense and i want a phone with the sense so i wont buy Nexus S.......Maybe desire z? but it has the keyboard problems and i dont need a keyboard.....ill buy desire (the normal one) and ill flash a cooked rom with 2.3 and the new sense, if possible...

tiotempestade said:
(And by the way.. Sense 2.0 isn't that big of an obstacle.. it's already working entirely in Desire's NAND.. just have a look at some DHD ROMs ports to Desire in the Development section.. Saying that Sense 2.0 won't fit in Desire's NAND is saying that XDA has better chefs than HTC... lol )
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Creating an sd-ext partition is not something average users can be expected to do before upgrading to sense 2.0

godutch said:
Creating an sd-ext partition is not something average users can be expected to do before upgrading to sense 2.0
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Don't underestimate the power of the Dark side, Luke!
It's only a script.. if we lived in an utopia HTC would just release the next OTA with it..
data2sd, app2sd+ script can create the partition and even align it.. http://www.patriotmemory.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3696
Maybe even with reiserFS partitions for faster access, but I think the dev's are getting to the conclusion that not all SDs work well with reiserFS.. so EXT3

[i want updates [

zte blade or htc wildfire

between those two what is the best one?
also if i want some day to root them(crack them or whatever im new to the term of i will eventually crack some androids up someday) what is the best of them to root?(also where can i find a guide for root??????)
many thanks

Welcome to forums,
My choose is HTC all the way.

yes i tought so that htc would be the logical choice
is there any thread here that can in find what apps would work in that resolution or not?
i was playing with Vodafone Joy 845 and from i saw skype wasnt working and some other apps too

GB for Desire/Bravo with Sense 3.0

i just got response from htc regarding my question will GB update for Desire/Bravo contain Sense 3.0...this is what they sent me:
Thank you for contacting HTC.
In regards to your enquiry, kindly note that the 2.3 gingerbread upgrade has not been released for the Desire phone yet, but it will be relased soon.
kindly note that that the upgrade will include the new HTC Sense 3.0.

Wow! that's really great!

So they are suggesting that the leaked Rom was a very early test build and not close to final.hmm
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

I highly doubt this.
If it would contain a Sense upgrade, it would be 2.1, but certainly not 3.0
First of all, the hardware of the Desire isnt capable of running Sense 3.0 without a bunch of hacks (see custom roms) and secondly, it would affect sales on their newer devices.
Also see:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/14/htc-sense-3-0-will-only-support-sensation-evo-3d-flyer-and-new/

If you copied and pasted that message from your email then the sender hasn't spelt the second released properly.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

Lunatic2 said:
I highly doubt this.
If it would contain a Sense upgrade, it would be 2.1, but certainly not 3.0
First of all, the hardware of the Desire isnt capable of running Sense 3.0 without a bunch of hacks (see custom roms) and secondly, it would affect sales on their newer devices.
Also see:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/14/htc-sense-3-0-will-only-support-sensation-evo-3d-flyer-and-new/
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Maybe some bits of sense 3.0 like sense 2.5?
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

sergmeister said:
Maybe some bits of sense 3.0 like sense 2.5?
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App
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That might be, yes. But I don't think that they will release a full sense 3 version for desire.... Until then we have our devs (*damo* has released a version from the leaked kingdom ruu)
Sent from my HTC Desire

i think the best you can hope for is the same as the DHD

maybe it'll be sense 3.0, just optimized for desire...

heraSK said:
maybe it'll be sense 3.0, just optimized for desire...
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I also find this highly unlikely.
Why would HTC want to update what is an end of life device with their latest sense version?
It doesn't make sense (excuse the pun).
From a commercial point of view, if they did that, they would be shooting themselves in the foot, and I don't think they are that stupid.

_thalamus said:
I also find this highly unlikely.
Why would HTC want to update what is an end of life device with their latest sense version?
It doesn't make sense (excuse the pun).
From a commercial point of view, if they did that, they would be shooting themselves in the foot, and I don't think they are that stupid.
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Imo they would be stupid if they do not provide updates. I will never buy a Samsung smartphone again just because of that...
Apple always provides latest updates for their phones and that is a good thing.

_thalamus said:
I also find this highly unlikely.
Why would HTC want to update what is an end of life device with their latest sense version?
It doesn't make sense (excuse the pun).
From a commercial point of view, if they did that, they would be shooting themselves in the foot, and I don't think they are that stupid.
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HTC is anything but stupid. Look at the way they market discriminate their products, adding and subtracting bits and pieces here and there. What they can't do is stop unofficial development, hence the upcoming invite to developers to contribute to making their products more "desirable".
Here's an idea: why pay for r & d when you can get it for free?

i just got another reply from HTC, it looks like they were to hasty with the first answer:
"In regards to your enquiry before, about the HTC sense version 3.0 with the 2.3 gingerbread update for the HTC Desire phone.
I do apologize for contacting you again, but I have just received an update from HTC, that the Desire phone will receive the 2.3 gingerbread upgrade/update soon. However unfortunately, there is no confirmation yet in regards whether the updated Desire phone will have the new sense version 3.0 or not.
I really do apologize for the inconvinience."
looks like the modders here on XDA will still have something to work on... but, fingers crossed....

heraSK said:
i just got another reply from HTC, it looks like they were to hasty with the first answer:
"In regards to your enquiry before, about the HTC sense version 3.0 with the 2.3 gingerbread update for the HTC Desire phone.
I do apologize for contacting you again, but I have just received an update from HTC, that the Desire phone will receive the 2.3 gingerbread upgrade/update soon. However unfortunately, there is no confirmation yet in regards whether the updated Desire phone will have the new sense version 3.0 or not.
I really do apologize for the inconvinience."
looks like the modders here on XDA will still have something to work on... but, fingers crossed....
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I think u will get an other reply that will say "unfortunally htc said the update will have sense 1.9"
We can just hope for sense 2.1, we will never get sense 3.0 officially, of course not now already..

HTC seemed to plainly say awhile back that no phone other than dual cores (being Sensation and Evo 3D) will get sense 3.0 going forward....
So I still think the best you can hope for is 2.1

No we will get sense 2.1for sure cause 2 ppl from Netherlands sent an email to HTC and told them that gb will roll out with 2.1
Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk

Lothaen said:
HTC seemed to plainly say awhile back that no phone other than dual cores (being Sensation and Evo 3D) will get sense 3.0 going forward....
So I still think the best you can hope for is 2.1
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I thought that kingdom was single core.. am I right?
Sent from my HTC Desire

bartoloandre98 said:
No we will get sense 2.1for sure cause 2 ppl from Netherlands sent an email to HTC and told them that gb will roll out with 2.1
Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk
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The response depends from the customer care operator..But anyway they don't know the response..Htc didn't provided details on that..
Only the developers/management team that are working on the update know the true and know when it will come out

dexter93 said:
I thought that kingdom was single core.. am I right?
Sent from my HTC Desire
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I suppose you can say the Flyer is single core too - so who knows...
a quick google said that htc took the dual core back and decided it'd be done on a device-by-device basis
http://phandroid.com/2011/04/14/htc-sense-3-0-will-only-support-sensation-evo-3d-flyer-for-now/

If you read the post I made on the other topic, its been confirmed by HTC email I got that HTC desire will get android 2.3 and with sense 2.1 Q2
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