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Win xp on ours Diamond phones?

I was digging over internet , may is a ported win xp image for ours Diamonds, but ... nothing. Maybe I was not so good to search ... and someone know?
Tnk s.
Your kindness MadQueen.

I think there is no xp port for diamond(because the specs of the device itself)
CMIIW

see if you can get a virtual machine for the mobile processor architecture. then emulate an x86 processor and load XP in that.
i'll tell you though it wont be a full xp. and it will be slower than a slow thing.

There are currently no versions of Windows XP which run on the ARM processor, and as recently as 6 weeks ago Microsoft wouldn't comment on any plans to ever do one (see this article http://www.thestandard.com/news/2009/03/13/3-reasons-microsoft-shouldnt-port-windows-arm-processor).
Even if they did, RAM requirements and the amount of disk writes the OS naturally does would make the Diamond REALLY work to offer even a mediocre performance standard.
On the subject of emulation....seriously???? I promise you, you're talking about taking a pretty advanced instruction set (x86) and running it on the arm processor (comparatively a child). It's easy to emulate current ARM processing on your current x86 processor, but it doesn't go the other way. I think I have read that some people have done this on some more powerful test hardware before, but the start-up time alone on your phone will be measured in hours, not minutes. If you seriously think this is worth trying, it's theoretically possible today by loading an ARM-compiled version of linux onto the phone (I seem to remember reading a thread about this a while back) and running something like virtualbox to emulate windows. In 6 months, after the install onto the memory card is complete (remember, phone memory alone will certainly be too small), let me know if it starts.

kingoldstyle said:
I was digging over internet , may is a ported win xp image for ours Diamonds, but ... nothing. Maybe I was not so good to search ... and someone know?
Tnk s.
Your kindness MadQueen.
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forget wm and buy the viliv s5

i have heard that win98 is working fine on diamond,i would love to check that but i dont know how!

benko286 said:
i have heard that win98 is working fine on diamond,i would love to check that but i dont know how!
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LOL. This was 1st of aprils joke)))

Well it is April but not the 1st.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=362344

Cheapest Thing I can use to Flash Stuff

Hello.
I've been trying to live with no pc, just my One X. This is good in almost all situations, especially seeing as Microsoft office is coming out soon.
So my problem is, until we get S-off, I have to go round to my friends house every time I want to flash a kernel or rom, which is very inconvenient.
I would like to know people's ideas as to how to get around this as cheaply as possible.
A quick search on ebay revealed I could get a refurbished pc with a p4 ht or something with xp installed for around £45. However, I could get something even cheaper if there is no operating system and I installed Linux or something. Can I flash stuff using Linux?
Anyway, I'd love to hear your thoughts and opinions.

Yep, I used Linux almost exclusively until a couple of months ago. Fastboot and adb work fine. Just follow one of the many guides on how to get it set up on Ubuntu (if you're using Ubuntu, which you should)

Raspberry Pi

Considering android is based on linux, I should hope so although, I wouldn't have a clue with linux, I'm a pc! Haha.
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Yes just get a cheap machine and whack on Linux. Most of the fast boot flashers come with scripts for Windows, OSX and Linux. So you'll be good to flash. I've flashed on OSX without any issues.
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This do the job?
HP Compaq d7100 Desktop PC Computer Pentium 4HT 2.8GHz 40gb HD CD-ROM 512mb RAM
£27

That's cheap that should be fine, you've got a monitor already? Just make sure the usb ports are fully working, Linux installs on most specs I reckon it should be fine.
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BenPope said:
Raspberry Pi
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Lol I just got one of those. What is the best OS to use for something like this?

ORStoner said:
This do the job?
HP Compaq d7100 Desktop PC Computer Pentium 4HT 2.8GHz 40gb HD CD-ROM 512mb RAM
£27
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That'll be fine. You'll want to go for a lightweight desktop environment though as the specs aren't good. Install Xubuntu or Lubuntu, they should run fine on it

lhayati said:
Lol I just got one of those. What is the best OS to use for something like this?
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They recommend Debian as an os pretty sure I've seen it running ubuntu, they just brought out overclock for it you can push the CPU to 800 MHz, I really need to get one. It's on ny shopping list.
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Michealtbh said:
That'll be fine. You'll want to go for a lightweight desktop environment though as the specs aren't good. Install Xubuntu or Lubuntu, they should run fine on it
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Which spec(s) are the ones which aren't so good. I don't expect it to run games but I would like to be able to use open office freely and browse the Web fairly well.
I could easily upgrade the ram or if it is the processor, there is a pc for a similar price with a 1.8 ghz xeon dual core with two threads and an old graphics card.

Definitely upgrade the ram, it's cheap enough. Should be fine for basic browsing and word processing

Would it be a suitable platform to upgrade later on?

lhayati said:
Lol I just got one of those. What is the best OS to use for something like this?
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The recommended one, these days. It's based on debian/raspbian with the hardware floating point (armhf).
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Would it be a suitable platform to upgrade later on?
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Unlikely. RAM and a modern hard disk will give it some life.

Got linux?

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1585009
Or download from Google play.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...organic&utm_term=linux+on+android+google+play
This works pretty darn good in the note.

epicnoob66 said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1585009
Or download from Google play.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...organic&utm_term=linux+on+android+google+play
This works pretty darn good in the note.
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I still find this too slow to be very usable. It feels like more of a novelty at the moment. This project definitely runs faster than it did on my atrix though lol.
I've heard that a native version of ubuntu was being made to run on the nexus 7. I wonder if canonical will ever release their official ubuntu for Andriod build? I also remember VMware making a pretty speedy virtual machine on top of the android platform that could run other OSes (Arm based of course).

Damn wish i had LTE at work would download and install right now haha but will deffo be trying this ASAP

Is this the netbook version. It should run a little better since it's optimized for Intel atom proc
Pimped out Sexxalaxy Note Dos!!

wow, I'll have to try that

Does Surface RT deserve to buy?

Hey guys
I love its design,but I know windows RT does not support X86 apps. This is my concern.Compared to app store, windows market sucks.I recently learnt that there is a way to root windows RT and make it launch x86 apps. Did anyone try? Can I launch full version chrome or XBMC on rooted windows RT?

Alexsandra said:
Hey guys
I love its design,but I know windows RT does not support X86 apps. This is my concern.Compared to app store, windows market sucks.I recently learnt that there is a way to root windows RT and make it launch x86 apps. Did anyone try? Can I launch full version chrome or XBMC on rooted windows RT?
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First of all, this belongs in Surface General, not RT development. Secondly, there is a thread where you can see what apps have been tried, and how they worked (don't expect much at all right now): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2095934 also realize that development is ongoing. There is also a thread for native app ports: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2092348
I personally recommend the Surface very much if you are a student (Office is preloaded) and don't NEED to run any desktop apps, like Photoshop. Go for it!

C-Lang said:
First of all, this belongs in Surface General, not RT development. Secondly, there is a thread where you can see what apps have been tried, and how they worked (don't expect much at all right now): http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2095934 also realize that development is ongoing. There is also a thread for native app ports: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2092348
I personally recommend the Surface very much if you are a student (Office is preloaded) and don't NEED to run any desktop apps, like Photoshop. Go for it!
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Thanks. I am not a student. I just want to try a new style stuff. I own a iPad2,but you know it doesn't work like a real laptop.

Alexsandra said:
Did anyone try? Can I launch full version chrome or XBMC on rooted windows RT?
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Estimated x86 performance is about 0.1Ghz. Microsoft DOS era basically. So no, chrome and XBMC will not work via x86 emulation. Notepad or something along the lines of the original doom *may* work.
The jailbreak does not allow running of x86 programs. It allows running on 3rd party applications on the desktop of which just one is an x86 emulator.
Your best hope is for chromium (open source builds of chrome) or XBMC to be ported to RT natively. Chromium is definitely being worked on but has a huge list of dependencies and is an incredibly complicated piece of software believe it or not. XBMC I honestly have no idea if anyone is working on that, it also has a horrific list of dependancies I think.
x86 emulation on RT is awesome but your best bet is for people to release native ARM builds for applications and they will be far and few in between. If you dont want to wait for that then look at an intel atom powered tablet running full windows 8.

Surface
SixSixSevenSeven said:
Estimated x86 performance is about 0.1Ghz. Microsoft DOS era basically. So no, chrome and XBMC will not work via x86 emulation. Notepad or something along the lines of the original doom *may* work.
The jailbreak does not allow running of x86 programs. It allows running on 3rd party applications on the desktop of which just one is an x86 emulator.
Your best hope is for chromium (open source builds of chrome) or XBMC to be ported to RT natively. Chromium is definitely being worked on but has a huge list of dependencies and is an incredibly complicated piece of software believe it or not. XBMC I honestly have no idea if anyone is working on that, it also has a horrific list of dependancies I think.
x86 emulation on RT is awesome but your best bet is for people to release native ARM builds for applications and they will be far and few in between. If you dont want to wait for that then look at an intel atom powered tablet running full windows 8.
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Or go with a Surface Pro and you can have everything you want

SixSixSevenSeven said:
Your best hope is for chromium (open source builds of chrome) or XBMC to be ported to RT natively. Chromium is definitely being worked on but has a huge list of dependencies and is an incredibly complicated piece of software believe it or not. XBMC I honestly have no idea if anyone is working on that, it also has a horrific list of dependancies I think.
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XBMC requires a number of libraries that only build with GCC.

forget about it
I have already given up RT device after I read your replies. It looks like that Surface pro is my best option,but it doesnt have slim body and long-lasting battery(compared to iPad,it sucks). I dont think of any atom device due to its poor performance. Hoping one day surface pro could be a amazing device that owns slim body and long-lasting battery and high performance.

Atom CPUs will generally perform similarly or slightly better than ARM ones (iPads, incidentally, use ARM, as does Windows RT). I believe there are benchmarks that you can use to compare the performance of different tablets, including the iPad and various Atom models, if performance is such a concern to you.

Alexsandra said:
I have already given up RT device after I read your replies. It looks like that Surface pro is my best option,but it doesnt have slim body and long-lasting battery(compared to iPad,it sucks). I dont think of any atom device due to its poor performance. Hoping one day surface pro could be a amazing device that owns slim body and long-lasting battery and high performance.
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You could definitely go with an atom device. They will have enough power for everyday tasks (unless you use something like PhotoShop). Also I've seen videos and benchmarks, and it boots faster, and runs at about equivalent speed as Windows RT. Good luck in your search! :fingers-crossed: Oh, and the best thing you could do is walk into a Microsoft store and try everything out! :good:

Even the cedar trail atoms seem pretty competitive performance wise with my 5 year old laptop (which does get the usual disk cleanups, defrags and removal of any bloat I find etc). Let alone the clover trails in these windows 8 tablets. Took my laptop round a mates to compare with his netbook, found that the cedar trail was universally slower which was obvious but by surprisingly negligible amounts. Minecraft had a 2fps difference, Visual studio for the same solution file took 0.2 seconds longer to compile, boot times were identical, time to load a 5000 character open office document (same one of course) in libre office was immeasurably different.
1.6ghz dual core with hyper threading and 2gb of RAM vs a 2ghz intel celeron single core without any hyperthreading and 3gb of RAM (well, Its registered in windows as not having hyperthreading, there isnt a bios option for it either). Both were of course using the normal intel integrated graphics.
Honestly, people say that the atom is slow, celeron must also be slow (which it probably is, mine is 5 years old and was hardly cutting edge at the time).
Personally I am looking at getting an intel atom powered device, unless someone manages to release an i5 device with a decent battery at a low price which they won't, besides, I dont need that boost in power. Everything that does need that much power I can do on my desktop.

Windows 8 on a Samsung "S" tablet

New to this forum and basically an IOS guy going way back (user not developer) I had a along discussion with a Samsung rep about the new 10.5 "S" tablet really like the device BUT so far it does not run windows
I currently I enjoy using Windows 7 Pro on a Macbook Pro by way of parallels!
MY question IS there a way to use Windows 8 ( so we can use the touch) on a Galaxy 'S' I have would love to use a couple windows programs on this device currently they need a full windows OS ... IS there a way to do this? IF NOT can it be developed? this is not just a passing flirt I want to do this !
If anyone is able to tackle this project please post.

Short answer: It's not possible.
Longer answer: Windows 8 runs on x86 hardware only which the Tab S does not have (Windows RT runs on ARM but it's so locked down there's probably no realistic way to port that either). The only way is to use some Remote Desktop application to access a Windows desktop from the Tab S.

Windows 7??
qcjulle said:
Short answer: It's not possible.
Longer answer: Windows 8 runs on x86 hardware only which the Tab S does not have (Windows RT runs on ARM but it's so locked down there's probably no realistic way to port that either). The only way is to use some Remote Desktop application to access a Windows desktop from the Tab S.
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is it possible to do something with windows 7or even XP ?
the software I want to run runs on either of those as well .... so a surface Pro 3 is the only choice .... that kind of sucks !!
I hope there is a different answer than that really like the 10.5 "S" for factor for what I want to do and the screen is awesome
someone ??

Velocityhaus said:
is it possible to do something with windows 7or even XP ?
the software I want to run runs on either of those as well .... so a surface Pro 3 is the only choice .... that kind of sucks !!
I hope there is a different answer than that really like the 10.5 "S" for factor for what I want to do and the screen is awesome
someone ??
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You would have the same problem with Windows 7 or XP. They all run on x86 architecture which the Tab S does not have.

so the other way is to maybe......
so if that is not doable then maybe the other way it to make the software I want to use work on android OS ?
is that doable ? Maybe ?

if you want a windows8 tablet , you should buy asus tranformer book

Velocityhaus said:
so if that is not doable then maybe the other way it to make the software I want to use work on android OS ?
is that doable ? Maybe ?
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No. No. No. No. NOOOOOO......

You really only have two options:
1) Buy a Windows 8 tablet(I have the Dell Venue 8 Pro and like it).
2) Find an app the does what you want for an IOS or Android tablet.

Mac OS and PC (desktop Windows) using x86 while iOS, Android and Windows Phone (as well as Windows RT) using ARM. You can't install software made for one instruction set onto another.
You could emulate the CPU but you would end up with only 5 - 10 percent of the performance.
Bottom line, if you want Windows on your tablet by a Windows tablet.

Sure its possible, is anyone likely to write the emulation code required for free? Well I know its not going to be me.

what i want
really just LIKE the form factor and SCREEN of the Galxy S 2500x 1600 rez !
What we want to do is replace a laptop for viewing data aquisiton that we use for the race team ... widely used by a large number of people , MoTeC ... see it at Motecusa.com
maybe we can not but I would really like to !!

certainly not for free
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Sure its possible, is anyone likely to write the emulation code required for free? Well I know its not going to be me.
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I am not expecting a freebee here ! certainly it will need funds to make it work ! if it is HUGE well maybe not worth it . but if modest it maybe a worthy project?

Velocityhaus said:
I am not expecting a freebee here ! certainly it will need funds to make it work ! if it is HUGE well maybe not worth it . but if modest it maybe a worthy project?
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We are probably talking a team of 5 a year to do. Only because wine, but even then there is a lot of code that would need to be ported to 1) surfaceflinger 2) arm vs x86.
Lets just stick with its not possible

eousphoros said:
We are probably talking a team of 5 a year to do. Only because wine, but even then there is a lot of code that would need to be ported to 1) surfaceflinger 2) arm vs x86.
Lets just stick with its not possible
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1.) Wine has nothing to do with x86 emulation.
2.) Wine has nothing to do with installing an OS. You can't install Windows onto Wine.
3.) Why 5 years and not 10 years or 5 months?
4.) There are x86 emulators available for Android right now: QEMU would be the usual choice.
5.) It has already be done, with multiple OS versions by different people For example here or here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auIZtmbPu_Y
6.) It has no practical use! It's just way to slow!
P. S.
I don't want to be rude, but please don't talk about things with clarity that you have not at least rudimentary knowledge about. Way to many misconceptions and rumors start that way.

Still MAYBE useful for MY particular need
TheGoD said:
1.) Wine has nothing to do with x86 emulation.
2.) Wine has nothing to do with installing an OS. You can't install Windows onto Wine.
3.) Why 5 years and not 10 years or 5 months?
4.) There are x86 emulators available for Android right now: QEMU would be the usual choice.
5.) It has already be done, with multiple OS versions by different people For example here or here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auIZtmbPu_Y
6.) It has no practical use! It's just way to slow!
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I don't want to be rude, but please don't talk about things with clarity that you have not at least rudimentary knowledge about. Way to many misconceptions and rumors start that way.
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maybe NOT so unusable for my specific need . I LOVE the Screen rez (approx 2500x 1600 OLED) and form factor of Samsung's latest tab
I wouldn't really need it to be a fully functioning PC exactly .. if I could ONLY use it to down load our data acquisition logged files thru the USB3 port and arable to manipulate the graphing functions et all in this one application I would be VERY happy it currently runs on any windows version from XP on up ... I use it now on a Mac BookPro in windows 7 Pro via parallels,
IF i could do that with the the 10.5 OLED tab and that was about all except maybe run email and Excel do do some file sharing that would be pretty cool for me and I would suspect a number of other folks too ... granted this is not a world wide appeal deal but also not talking 5-6 people either.
the Computing POWER need to deal with the data acquisition display and all that is pretty modest ... even when running an inset on board video that is synced up to a spot on a particular LAP is about as tough as it would get .. the LOGGED files are not huge either ... 8-16 MB for a 1/2 hour of running on the track at most .. even if you tripled that STILL not MUCH .. the videos MIGHT make those files grow somewhat .. but .. still not nutty .. a tab with a 64GB Micro SD card would be PLENTY of space to work with ..
So as you see its a lot more specific and from the poster quoted here SEEMS doable .. if the scope was just aimed at THIS and not making the tab a WINDOWS 7 or 8 do everything device ..
I just love the form factor and screen for what we specifically want to do .. just seems a shame it can't be done.. if there was an iOS eek virtual keyboard too do things like name files fill in notes where needed small stuff like that and maybe send an email or export file to a XLS file (maybe much more difficult ) then that would be about it .. the native screen resolution is also key as that is a HUGE thing when looking at the data graphs the more detail you can see the better ALSO bear in mind this would be being looked at while seated in the cockpit of the race car and again the form factor (smallish compared to a laptop) is key .. never would be farther than 1/2 arms length from the viewer BUT maybe viewed in the bright sunlight at times .. thus the OLED would be awesome !!
still think not practical use ?
I hope not .. BUT thanks for the education so FAR

Hopefully Samsung will come out with a 12 or 13 inch ultrabook with an oled screen next.

Why not get a Surface Pro 3?? Even then, I would find it very hard to do work on such a small device. I work with Windows all day long and I need multiple, huge monitors There is no way I could do what I need to do on a tablet. The tablet for me replaces the magazine in the bathroom!

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maybe NOT so unusable for my specific need . I LOVE the Screen rez (approx 2500x 1600 OLED) and form factor of Samsung's latest tab
I wouldn't really need it to be a fully functioning PC exactly .. if I could ONLY use it to down load our data acquisition logged files thru the USB3 port and arable to manipulate the graphing functions et all in this one application I would be VERY happy it currently runs on any windows version from XP on up ... I use it now on a Mac BookPro in windows 7 Pro via parallels,
IF i could do that with the the 10.5 OLED tab and that was about all except maybe run email and Excel do do some file sharing that would be pretty cool for me and I would suspect a number of other folks too ... granted this is not a world wide appeal deal but also not talking 5-6 people either.
the Computing POWER need to deal with the data acquisition display and all that is pretty modest ... even when running an inset on board video that is synced up to a spot on a particular LAP is about as tough as it would get .. the LOGGED files are not huge either ... 8-16 MB for a 1/2 hour of running on the track at most .. even if you tripled that STILL not MUCH .. the videos MIGHT make those files grow somewhat .. but .. still not nutty .. a tab with a 64GB Micro SD card would be PLENTY of space to work with ..
So as you see its a lot more specific and from the poster quoted here SEEMS doable .. if the scope was just aimed at THIS and not making the tab a WINDOWS 7 or 8 do everything device ..
I just love the form factor and screen for what we specifically want to do .. just seems a shame it can't be done.. if there was an iOS eek virtual keyboard too do things like name files fill in notes where needed small stuff like that and maybe send an email or export file to a XLS file (maybe much more difficult ) then that would be about it .. the native screen resolution is also key as that is a HUGE thing when looking at the data graphs the more detail you can see the better ALSO bear in mind this would be being looked at while seated in the cockpit of the race car and again the form factor (smallish compared to a laptop) is key .. never would be farther than 1/2 arms length from the viewer BUT maybe viewed in the bright sunlight at times .. thus the OLED would be awesome !!
still think not practical use ?
I hope not .. BUT thanks for the education so FAR
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The cheaper option is to buy a surface 3 then run a remote tool like VNC to access Windows 8 from the tab s. Get the best of both worlds for a lot less than paying developers to build something you'll never see.

tell me more !!
creedicd said:
The cheaper option is to buy a surface 3 then run a remote tool like VNC to access Windows 8 from the tab s. Get the best of both worlds for a lot less than paying developers to build something you'll never see.
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just assume I am STUPID ... not far off maybe .. but you are saying I could USE a TAB s 5 to access a PC close by .... say 40 Ft away .. and just use the Tab s5 to display what it ons the real windows machine WHATEVER IT was even a MAC via Parallels ?
WHAT is VNC ?? again I am not very well versed in this kind of thing excuses my ignorance ..
thanks !!
this sounds doable .. as If I can just use the TAB when i am in the cockpit of the car (very small NO room for me and a laptop 10.5 device is perfect)

qcjulle said:
Short answer: It's not possible.
Longer answer: Windows 8 runs on x86 hardware only which the Tab S does not have (Windows RT runs on ARM but it's so locked down there's probably no realistic way to port that either). The only way is to use some Remote Desktop application to access a Windows desktop from the Tab S.
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This is what I do. I travel a lot and some hotels do not do VPN's so I cannot connect to my companies portal. The Tab s has remote pc under gifts in the galaxy store. I just leave my computer on at home and connect to it wherever I am and my desktop appears on my 10.5. I can do anything on it that I can do at home. Works great.