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$850 starting bid... $950 buyout?!? :-o
Are Rogers and AT&T using 850 UMTS or 2G 850? Reason I ask is that AFAIK the Telstra handset is 850Mhz UMTS but not 850Mhz GSM/GPRS/EDGE.
Plus, Telstras handsets have a faulty GPS (I suspect radio) which should be fixed soon but until then, it is virtually unusable.
...and they only have 12 month warranty
bcmobile said:
Are Rogers and AT&T using 850 UMTS or 2G 850? Reason I ask is that AFAIK the Telstra handset is 850Mhz UMTS but not 850Mhz GSM/GPRS/EDGE.
Plus, Telstras handsets have a faulty GPS (I suspect radio) which should be fixed soon but until then, it is virtually unusable.
...and they only have 12 month warranty
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Based on the picture from eBay from the back of the box it says:
GSM/GPRS/EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900 Mhz
HSPA/WCDMA: 850/2100 Mhz
brosen said:
Based on the picture from eBay from the back of the box it says:
GSM/GPRS/EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900 Mhz
HSPA/WCDMA: 850/2100 Mhz
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ATT 3G: 850/1900
T-Mo: 900/2100
Wow, a G is pretty steep for a half-assed solution when the N1 is almost half that. A G for a fully assed 850/1900 version would still be pretty steep. You'd have to want bragging rights pretty badly to pull the trigger on that.
850Mhz ??? has it been downgraded?? as the desire has 1Ghz... very iffy
dgattenb said:
850Mhz ??? has it been downgraded?? as the desire has 1Ghz... very iffy
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I hope you are kidding...
i found this on another forum. thought it be good for the confused ones thinking of buying. hope this explains a little better
So your looking to pick up a HTC Desire of eBay reasonably soon.
Is there any difference between Aus (delivered/imported 8181 Desires on eBay) vs NextG 8183 branded HTC Desires sold on eBay ?
because The NextG 8183 ones on eBay are currently fetching approx $100 more than none NextG 8181 Branded ones.
Q:
Is there any difference between Aus delivered/imported Desires (on eBay) vs NextG branded HTC Desires sold on eBay. From what I can tell they should all support the same frequency space, so there shouldnt be any difference.
A:
There are two different models of Desire....
Telstra sells one that supports UMTS 850/2100 The actual Telstra Next G branded ones have got some Telstra "Apps" loaded into the ROM which cannot be easily removed, however they are simply links to Telstra services. They are unlocked.
Models sourced overseas usually support UMTS 900/2100, which won't work on NextG.
Pick wisely.
Q:
The NextG Versions will still operate on Optus/Voda/etc right? The frequency ranges all seems to match up. Some online stores are selling NextG and none NextG versions, just dont want to shoot myself in the foot.
A:
Yes, the Next G version will work on Optus 3G, but only in metro areas. It does not support the 900 MHz frequency used by Optus or Voda in regional areas, meaning outside city, you'll only get 2G.
It does not support the 900 MHz frequency used by Optus or Voda in regional areas
Hmmm ok, thats weird because according to the HTC Site (and this is where im getting confused) with all the "Exclusive to Telstra NextG" Branding, it supports the following
HSPA/WCDMA:
* Australia: 850/2100 MHz
GSM:
* Australia: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
Q:
Do they cripple the NextG version and rip out the 900mhz ?
A:
Australia: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
Those are GSM frequencies, not UMTS.
To make it abundantly clear:
Telstra specs:
HSPA/WCDMA:
•Australia: 850/2100 MHz
GSM:
•Australia: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
Optus specs:
HSPA/WCDMA:
•Australia: 900/2100 MHz
GSM:
•Australia: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
3G is around the world but Yes the US carrier At&T use it..
To help you, AT&T use the 850MHZ band while the other mobiles providers (ie T-Mobile) all use the 900 etc if you are grey importing a US phone the rule of thumb is if the phone works on AT&T then it will work on Telstra 3G network..
Telstra have two different 3G networks and they are 'branded' differently, yet they are both technically 3G at the end of the day.
1. Telstra 3G = 2100mhz, is only implemented in metropolian areas.
2. Telstra NextG = 850mhz, is implemented Australia wide and superceeds their 2100mhz implementation.
As you can see they are both 3G. The NextG branded product has more bandwith available to it, (not that 2100 doesn't have enough, just the way Telstra's implementation is).
Speed wise, telstra do have the fastest network, but in time, others will catch up. NextG is not some magical creative, even if Telstra subtly make you think that.
The issue with handsets is that they either come in 850/2100 variants (i.e compable on Telstra 850 3G) or 900/2100 variants (compatible with other networks in australia including the Telstra 3g branded service on the 2100 network).
Futher, this is not to be confused with similar GSM frequencies (then you get 2G coverage)
Q:
So is NextG just better coverage, or is it faster too? I was lead to believe there was a speed increase.
A:
Both.
The downside to having more coverage and web speed, is being stuck with Telstra..
If you have voda or Optus, you need the desire A8181.. if you're with Telstra you need the A8183
I have Optus meaning my phone model is A8181 & it's $100+ cheaper
CHEERS:
This is well written explanation, I'm sure it/has helped many ;-)
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Rural coverage for HTC Desire with 3 Mobile
I just want to clarify if the same is applicable with 3 Mobile as Voda have meraged. I'm a 3 customer and I'm moving to Trentham, Victoria. 3 and Voda have said there would be call and text coverage only in the area. 3 is bringing out the Desire later this month but I don't know which one. I've been told there's more Telstra towers in the area but will not swap suppliers as I have a good plan from when they were Orange. Thanx for the help.
If you get an 81 and use telstra, it will be slower.
if you get an 83 and use a Non-telstra network, it will be slower.
If you get an 83 on telstra, Root and grab T-Mod.
Simple! XD
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Hi there.
I am confused. I am thinking of getting A8183 and am a vodafone user. Will 3g work for me?
I'm pretty sure it says above only in metro areas mate
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www.vodafone.com.au/personal/aboutvodafone/network/network-850/index.htm
vodafone going 850mHz
I have the 8183, rooted and running on LiveConnected (Optus). I have very little drama with mobile internet, regardless where I use my phone around Cairns.
I find I get drop outs if I venture too far west, but north to Pt Douglas/Mossman, inland to Atherton Tablelands/Millaa Millaa/Malanda and all the way south to Townsville (including Hinchinbrook region), signal is strong and on song.
I have never understood people that gripe about their 8183s not working properly on other networks...unless they happen to live in Oodnadatta, there should not be an issue.
I think I may know the answer to this, but before I throw the phone against the wall, I'll first check with you guys.
I have a Wildfire S running 2.2.3 with HTC Sense. The phone is SIM unlocked as it was bought outright, S-ON. It is the version incompatible with WCDMA 850MHz and I need it to work with WCDMA 850MHz (Australian Telstra NextG network).
Since S-OFF has not been achieved via software and for all intents and purposes the phone can't be rooted, is it possible to reflash the phone with a WCDMA 850MHz compatible ROM (I know such exists, for one Telstra branded ROM is compatible but I believe there is also a HTC debranded version)?
If yes, where would I find such ROM and where would I find instructions for that (I've downgraded HTC Desire HD before, I know I need a Goldcard). If not, thank you for your time and answer.
as far as i know, 850mhz band is hardware function. if your phone doesn't support it via hardware out of the box, no software is going to make that work on that band.
Mairei said:
as far as i know, 850mhz band is hardware function. if your phone doesn't support it via hardware out of the box, no software is going to make that work on that band.
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From what I've been able to gather, the pones are identical, the difference is just in the ROM and bands they've arbitrarily chosen to disable. There are other phones with similar restrictions in place and it can be fixed by software.
Thanks for posting, tho.
Stylen said:
From what I've been able to gather, the pones are identical, the difference is just in the ROM and bands they've arbitrarily chosen to disable. There are other phones with similar restrictions in place and it can be fixed by software.
Thanks for posting, tho.
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Stylen, if you've bought a non telstra phone, it will work work on the 2100 but not on the next g 850. Unless it has the required hardware then no amount of flashing will help.
Rick
AUS Wildfire S
HSPA/WCDMA:
850/2100 MHz
Quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE:
850/900/1800/1900 MHz.
US Wildfire S
HSPA/WCDMA:
1700/2100
Quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE
850/900/1800/1900
EU/Asia Wildfire S
HSPA/WCDMA:
900/2100 MHz
Quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE:
850/900/1800/1900 MHz
I was wondering if I purchase an unlocked HTC one, will it work with Verizon?
You have to see the frequencies of the carrier
But, probably, yes!
in a word, no.
It has no CDMA radio, which is required for voice. Not to mention VZW hasn't ever let you bring a device to their network from the outside.
gunnyman said:
in a word, no.
It has no CDMA radio, which is required for voice. Not to mention VZW hasn't ever let you bring a device to their network from the outside.
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My friend said me that verizon use GSM radio...
I'm confused
Guich said:
You have to see the frequencies of the carrier
But, probably, yes!
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gunnyman said:
in a word, no.
It has no CDMA radio, which is required for voice. Not to mention VZW hasn't ever let you bring a device to their network from the outside.
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Okay, I checked and the Frequencies are the same but HTC One unlocked says nothing about CDMA. Thanks for the help
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My friend said me that verizon use GSM radio...
I'm confused
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VZW uses two different technologies.
the voice is carried on CDMA as is their 3G EVDO data.
LTE is used, but not the same bands as AT&T or T-Mobile.
The only major carriers in the US on GSM are T-Mobile and AT&T (and their mvno's)
Hi, it looks like I'm reviving this thread...
I've done a bit of homework and on htc.com the One specs are as follows:
2G/2.5G - GSM/GPRS/EDGE:
850/900/1800/1900 MHz
3G - UMTS/ HSPA:
Europe/ Middle East/ Africa: 900/1900/2100 MHz with HSPA+ up to 42 Mbps
Asia: 850/900/1900/2100 MHz with HSPA+ up to 42 Mbps
Canada/ Latin America: 850/1900/2100 MHz up to HSPA+ 42 Mbps
T-Mobile (US): 850/ AWS/1900/2100 MHz with HSPA+ up to 42 Mbps
AT&T: 850/1900/2100 MHz with HSPA+ up to 21 Mbps
Sprint: 1900/2100 MHz with HSPA+ up to 14.4 Mbps
3G - CDMA:
800/1900 MHz for Sprint
4G - LTE:
Europe/ Middle East/ Africa: 800/1800/2600 MHz
Asia: 1800/2600 MHz
T-Mobile (US)/ AT&T/ Canada/ Latin America: 700 MHz and AWS band
Sprint: 1900 MHz
On the Samsung Galaxy S4 for Verizon:
LTE, CDMA/1xEVDO Rev. A (800/1900 MHz)
Global Network: EDGE/GSM (850/900/1800/1900), HSPA/UMTS(850/900/1900/2100)
It looks to me like the phone supports all ranges and has both styles/types of radios. Has anyone been able to get an unlocked One working with Verizon? Does anyone know how to do it? If I buy an unlocked One, would it come packed with all the network support as listed above or do they manufacture them with only a specific radio/frequency range in mind?
d-pabs said:
Hi, it looks like I'm reviving this thread...
I've done a bit of homework and on htc.com the One specs are as follows:
2G/2.5G - GSM/GPRS/EDGE:
850/900/1800/1900 MHz
3G - UMTS/ HSPA:
Europe/ Middle East/ Africa: 900/1900/2100 MHz with HSPA+ up to 42 Mbps
Asia: 850/900/1900/2100 MHz with HSPA+ up to 42 Mbps
Canada/ Latin America: 850/1900/2100 MHz up to HSPA+ 42 Mbps
T-Mobile (US): 850/ AWS/1900/2100 MHz with HSPA+ up to 42 Mbps
AT&T: 850/1900/2100 MHz with HSPA+ up to 21 Mbps
Sprint: 1900/2100 MHz with HSPA+ up to 14.4 Mbps
3G - CDMA:
800/1900 MHz for Sprint
4G - LTE:
Europe/ Middle East/ Africa: 800/1800/2600 MHz
Asia: 1800/2600 MHz
T-Mobile (US)/ AT&T/ Canada/ Latin America: 700 MHz and AWS band
Sprint: 1900 MHz
On the Samsung Galaxy S4 for Verizon:
LTE, CDMA/1xEVDO Rev. A (800/1900 MHz)
Global Network: EDGE/GSM (850/900/1800/1900), HSPA/UMTS(850/900/1900/2100)
It looks to me like the phone supports all ranges and has both styles/types of radios. Has anyone been able to get an unlocked One working with Verizon? Does anyone know how to do it? If I buy an unlocked One, would it come packed with all the network support as listed above or do they manufacture them with only a specific radio/frequency range in mind?
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Nope
No
Stop nope, just no.
Verizon and Sprint use CDMA as their base on their Network. The only HTC One with CDMA is the Sprint version. But you can't use the Sprint version on Verizon.
That's why when the Sprint version was released developers had to tweak their roms and recoveries since the outside was the same but the insides no.
Yes LTE is gsm based and requires a GSM radio. And yes when the Verizon HTC one is released it can be used on TMo and AT&T. Since it has both CDMA & GSM radios.
But NO NO NO you CAN NOT use a AT&T, T-Mobile, Dev Edition,Sprint, or Iternational HTC One on Verizon.
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which is required for voice.
Until Voice over LTE is fully implemented voice is still falling back into CDMA.
Sent from my HTC One using xda premium
Thanks for your help! I realized I was misunderstanding the way those specs were written, thinking a single phone carried all those ranges and could work equally across the board.
I'm leaning towards getting an unlocked phone for T-Mobile. Any suggestions on where to get it from? If I get it from T-Mobile then it will likely have bloat on it which I don't care for. I could get it from Google Play or HTC's shopamerica...Is there an "easy" way to determine whether or not a phone will fully function on a particular network? Clearly my line of thinking on just making sure the frequency ranges match up is rather off!
Depends what freq your carrier uses for 3G etc. Only the international and dev edition are bloat free. But your at xda there are threads all over the place to help you debloat.
Again T-Mobile is the only one with 1700 3G band.
The dev doesn't have 1700, but has other extra bands. And the international lacks LTE.
Only Verizon will sell their version of the ONE. All the others are all over the internet.
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Again T-Mobile is the only one with 1700 3G band.
The dev doesn't have 1700, but has other extra bands. And the international lacks LTE.
Only Verizon will sell their version of the ONE. All the others are all over the internet.
Sent from my HTC One using xda premium
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So if I travel internationally and want to have the use of LTE, it sounds like I would need to get the unlocked "international" One? If the so-called "developer" version of the One doesn't have the 1700 band, will one of the other bands take over/compensate? In other words, will the developer phone still be fully functional? I also assume that by "developer" phone you're referring to both the unlocked 32 and 64Gb phones sold at shopamerica.com?
Lastly, here's what I'm doing: I want to buy a phone that I can use in the US and if I travel to Canada, I want to make sure it is compatible with their networks too so all I would need to do is pick up a new sim card and be off to the races. If I'm understanding everything, then the phone on shopamerica should be sufficient.
Any thoughts? Thanks again for the help! I've never dealt with network matching and unlocked phones. Can you tell?!
Stick with the developer edition since it offers more 3G bands ... LTE outside the US it would depend if whatever carrier you use on that country uses any any of the LTE bands it supports.
A lot of the major carriers around the world use similar 3G bands most will work on this phone. Again it all depends on which carried you use.
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I see that the T-Mobile LTE version is available in the US on the play store. It is significantly cheaper than in the UK.
I bought the v1 WiFi nexus 7 in the US and had no issues. If I buy the LTE version from the US can I assume that I can use it on a UK mobile network without issue? I presume both are gsm and there is no issue?
Thanks
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aidanbree said:
If I buy the LTE version from the US can I assume that I can use it on a UK mobile network without issue? I presume both are gsm and there is no issue?
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Even GSM networks operate on different frequencies on different continents. LTE networks may have other frequencies than GSM networks.
I found a (german) comparisation list for LTE frequencies. For US, there are 700, 1700, 1900 and 2100 MHz listed; for UK there are 800, 1800 and 2600 MHz noted.
So, if you buy an US version, it will be useless in UK. Besides the useability, you may have to pay taxes on import, additional to p&p. Will it still be cheaper then?
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For US, there are 700, 1700, 1900 and 2100 MHz listed; for UK there are 800, 1800 and 2600 MHz noted.
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For France, same frequencies than UK.
We will use someday 700 MHz also.
Some of us are waitin 4 an Euro LTE Nexus 7.
I found something about the Nexus 7 ... on http://www.google.com/nexus/7/ .
Scroll down until you see a link "Tech Specs". Open it and scroll a bit down; all GSM, UMTS and LTE frequencies are listed for different world areas.
The US and the EU version share most LTE frequency cpabilities, but the US version can operate on 700 and 750 MHz (which the EU device can't use) while the EU one can operate on 800 and 2600 MHz (which the US device can't use).
So it depends on your carrier's frequencies if you can operate an US device in UK or not.
HSishi said:
I found something about the Nexus 7 ... on http://www.google.com/nexus/7/ .
Scroll down until you see a link "Tech Specs". Open it and scroll a bit down; all GSM, UMTS and LTE frequencies are listed for different world areas.
The US and the EU version share most LTE frequency cpabilities, but the US version can operate on 700 and 750 MHz (which the EU device can't use) while the EU one can operate on 800 and 2600 MHz (which the US device can't use).
So it depends on your carrier's frequencies if you can operate an US device in UK or not.
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My brother is over in the US next week and could therefore bring it back without P&P and most likely other charges.
In the UK the price is 320 GBP so the saving is around 100GBP with the currency conversion.
Currently I have my mobile with T-Mobile and a sim that I use in a mifi on Three. I am looking to move the Three mifi sim into the Nexus but I don't think that looks like it would work as it states they will use 800 and 1800. I presume that both frequencies are used?
The US device can't use the 800 MHz band, but the 1800. Maybe your carrier operates LTE at 1800, maybe not. Can't say that from here (Germany).
Going to take a chance. The US price for the LTE is cheaper than the WiFi only in the UK. Will advise how I get on
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Same here Czech rep, 32 gb lte is the same price than 16 gb wifi here. But i need the 3G/4G internet can't risk it i must know
Aidenbree: this is exactly what i was thinking of doing too, so thanks for asking the question! I'm also on Three and would be really interested to hear how you get on. £100 saving is worth thinking about!
are they have different hardware ?
North America:
GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
HSPA+: 850/900/1900/1700/2100 (AWS) MHz (Bands: 1/2/4/5/8)
LTE: 700/750/850/1700/1800/1900/2100 MHZ (Bands: 1/2/3/4/5/13/17)
Europe:
GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
HSPA+: 850/900/1900/1700/2100 (AWS) MHz (Bands: 1/2/4/5/8)
LTE: 800/850/1700/1800/1900/2100/2600 MHz (Bands: 1/2/3/4/5/7/20)
or only radio software different?
if they just use different radio, it may work by change radio
ygvuhb said:
are they have different hardware ?
North America:
GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
HSPA+: 850/900/1900/1700/2100 (AWS) MHz (Bands: 1/2/4/5/8)
LTE: 700/750/850/1700/1800/1900/2100 MHZ (Bands: 1/2/3/4/5/13/17)
Europe:
GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
HSPA+: 850/900/1900/1700/2100 (AWS) MHz (Bands: 1/2/4/5/8)
LTE: 800/850/1700/1800/1900/2100/2600 MHz (Bands: 1/2/3/4/5/7/20)
or only radio software different?
if they just use different radio, it may work by change radio
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Surprisingly, the radio software is the same, in fact everything software wise is identical between both devices, there is but a single firmware for both devices. I am not even sure if the US version can't technically use band 7 and vice/versa, has anyone tried to connect to a LTE network in the EU using a US LTE Nexus 7 ? Maybe those specs are just "limited" to comply with FCC/EU regulations/certifications (Paying for the CE certification for a specific frequency can be expensive)
If there is a difference then some flag must be set hardware wise to tell the radio what frequencies it can tune to.
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Surprisingly, the radio software is the same, in fact everything software wise is identical between both devices, there is but a single firmware for both devices. I am not even sure if the US version can't technically use band 7 and vice/versa, has anyone tried to connect to a LTE network in the EU using a US LTE Nexus 7 ? Maybe those specs are just "limited" to comply with FCC/EU regulations/certifications (Paying for the CE certification for a specific frequency can be expensive)
If there is a difference then some flag must be set hardware wise to tell the radio what frequencies it can tune to.
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omg
the radio is the same
seem they fix the band though hardware
any chance the software detect the mobile services provider to decide using which band