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About to jump onto the desire ship

Hi All,
After being a iPhone fan since they first launched, I am getting my first android phone tomorrow. The price of the iPhone 4 put me off purchasing one and to be honest iOS is rubbish without a jailbreak to set it free.
So tomorrow i'll be getting the HTC Desire via Orange. I have some questions if that's ok.
1) Since it's Orange giving me the phone, is it likely that it'll have some kind of horrendous customized Orange ROM on it like they used to do with all of their phones ? If so, how do I get rid of it and put on a standard Desire ROM ?
2) Assuming it does have just a standard Desire ROM, is it best to flash to one of the customized ROM's ?
3) Can I use my Desire as a wifi router via some software ? (MyWi and PDAnet on iPhone)
4) I've been reading about "rooting"....is that the equivalent of jailbreaking? What benefits does it have ? On an iPhone it is of course essential so that you can install Apps which apple don't approve of (amongst other things).
Thank you
I'm sure i'll have 100's more questions when I actually get it but that'll do for now. haha

1) Mild branding, Bot screen, some game demos I belive, and a frew orange apps.
2) Can't help you there
3) I don't belive you can untill Android 2.2 FroYo.
4) Can't help you here either

ok basically the guy above was of no help whatsoever..
1) the orange roms that first came out were packed with orange branding and apps and widgets which would take up space even on the home screens, with the new releases this has been greatly reduced. yes, you can simply flash a generic rom by HTC or one of the custom ones posted in these forums.
2) if it's from orange it wont have a standard htc rom, it is personal preference as to which rom you choose to install as some will have certain features which are more appealing to you. once you are rooted you can just sample around until you find one you like.
3) although this is confirmed to come out with the froyo 2.2 release, it is available on these forums, it comes with most customized roms, and in fact i believe it is even available in the android market.
4) rooting simply allows you to install roms which would usually be locked by your phone, this means that you can flash your phone with literally anything you want (at your own risk ) this also means that as well as roms, certain apps can use this root access in order to provide more features

1. I don't know. (I have no branding)
2. The default is good while IMHO the customised 2.1 roms are better.
3. A custom or rooted rom can have wifi tethering. (I use Oclocks rooted 1.21.405.2 rom)
4. I have never had an Iphone. But I think it's kinda the same. Rooting sets your android phone free (or in the desires case, A little more free) you will be able to install custom roms. New themes. Root only apps + more I can't remember.
I hope that helped

dayloon said:
4) I've been reading about "rooting"....is that the equivalent of jailbreaking? What benefits does it have ? On an iPhone it is of course essential so that you can install Apps which apple don't approve of (amongst other things).
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Its not quite the same,
Without rooting, you can still install what you like with Android.
Fon22

2) i would recommend MOdaCO R3.1 Until Offcial Release Of Froyo 2.2 For Desire , cause current port do have little bugs !
3) Yes U Can , if u ROOT Ur Device , there is an app that does what u want , and it's already included when u flash modaco R3.1 Rom
4) no rooting is not like Jailbreaking , an Android device is usable without rooting , but an iphone without jailbreaking is not !

About the jailbreaking/rooting thing you'll be pleasantly suprised with Android, a simple tick in one of the menus allows you to install anything you like and from any source you care to trust. You'll be treated like a grown-up actually, a nice addition is HTC's relative tolerance of rooting and flashing roms, as long as you don't try and port their proprietary Sense UI. Freedom awaits my friend.
Sent from my HTC Desire using the XDA mobile application powered by Tapatalk

ROM updates for Samsung Taylor SGH-i707?

So I'm wondering about this phone a friend offered to sell to me. It's a Samsung Taylor developer phone, so I have no idea which forum this goes into.
Will I be able to get software updates to the phone at all? Because right now the phone comes with the prototype ROM, so it can't record 720P. The camera is crap, some things like Facebook and Twitter don't work all the way. The marketplace isn't there. Its not stolen property because he is an independent developer and he says the phone served its purpose and he moved on to actual Win7 phones.
Any opinions? I asked my friend and he says he never tried looking for updated ROMs and he stopped using them after he got a focus.

untrueparadox said:
So I'm wondering about this phone a friend offered to sell to me. It's a Samsung Taylor developer phone, so I have no idea which forum this goes into.
Will I be able to get software updates to the phone at all? Because right now the phone comes with the prototype ROM, so it can't record 720P. The camera is crap, some things like Facebook and Twitter don't work all the way. The marketplace isn't there. Its not stolen property because he is an independent developer and he says the phone served its purpose and he moved on to actual Win7 phones.
Any opinions? I asked my friend and he says he never tried looking for updated ROMs and he stopped using them after he got a focus.
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connect it to zune and look for updates , there are beta updates for that phone (actually with a higher build number and copy/past) so I would say yes there are updates for .

I have a German Vodafone Optimus 7 that was used a couple of months by a software developer. I don't think it's running the latest (stable) build of WP7 however. When I check for updates with Zune it says that I'm up to date and the current version is: 7.0 (6536). Is this the latest version that every WP7 device is running? And if not, how come that my device doesn't get any updates?
Btw, Marketplace etc. just work fine on the device.

renegadEEE said:
I have a German Vodafone Optimus 7 that was used a couple of months by a software developer. I don't think it's running the latest (stable) build of WP7 however. When I check for updates with Zune it says that I'm up to date and the current version is: 7.0 (6536). Is this the latest version that every WP7 device is running? And if not, how come that my device doesn't get any updates?
Btw, Marketplace etc. just work fine on the device.
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that is not a developer phone but a pre release , only the Samsung Taylor is a developer phone (and get beta updates )
you have to wait for the official update in 2011.

ceesheim said:
that is not a developer phone but a pre release , only the Samsung Taylor is a developer phone (and get beta updates )
you have to wait for the official update in 2011.
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The LG Panther was a developer phone too I believe. Thanks for your reply, I'll be waiting for the january update just lik everyone else then

renegadEEE said:
The LG Panther was a developer phone too I believe. Thanks for your reply, I'll be waiting for the january update just lik everyone else then
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thanks , didn't know of the LG Panther .
ps, the latest official build is 7004.

In theory, the Taylor and Panther have updates to build 7003/7004, and they are available on the net (or if you ask the right friendly WP7 dev).
If you plug the device in to Zune, it should search for an update to 7003, though that might not happen.
73XX and above do also exist for the Taylor/Panther, but they're a lot harder to come by, and won't be coming out via Zune any time soon.
In theory, a dev device running 7003 will be able to do anything a release device running the same build (they wouldn't be much use as developer phones if they behaved differently) so I think updating the device should fix the issues you've got, though it'll never do 720p video, and the camera is terrible!

i dont think my friend's is even running the release. the market doesnt work and the live integration is blank. so if i have him get the update, basically i can upgrade it? awesome.

untrueparadox said:
i dont think my friend's is even running the release. the market doesnt work and the live integration is blank. so if i have him get the update, basically i can upgrade it? awesome.
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That sounds like an older build then, those are both working on the Taylor/Panther I've got.
Let me know if you need help finding an update.

I don´t know why but I have ROM 7006 installed on my Samsung Taylor, so diff packages from 7004 to 7008 won´t work. Asked lots of devs and MSFTies an no one seems to have ROM 7004 for the Taylor.
Any help?

Follow this guide to get Mango running on the Samsung Taylor: http://www.rudigrobler.net/blog/2011/9/28/installing-mango-on-your-samsung-taylor.html

Leapo said:
Follow this guide to get Mango running on the Samsung Taylor: http://www.rudigrobler.net/blog/2011/9/28/installing-mango-on-your-samsung-taylor.html
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Update is possible from rev. 7004 only, not from 7003 or 7006 (never heard about that revision).

sensboston said:
Update is possible from rev. 7004 only, not from 7003 or 7006 (never heard about that revision).
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So you personally tried it the above process, and it failed?

Leapo said:
So you personally tried it the above process, and it failed?
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I've tried from 7003 and failed.

I tried it with ROM 7006 and it also failed.

At what point is it failing?
Are you absolutely sure you're using the correct "ChevronWP7.Updater"?
The download link was pulled some time ago, so if you downloaded anything off of Chris's blog, it was the wrong updater.
Edit: I would post a link to the correct one, but all the mirrors were on megaupload...which is now gone

Leapo said:
Are you absolutely sure you're using the correct "ChevronWP7.Updater"?
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Actually, I'm not sure about Rudi Grobler's post. No proof screenshots (even photoshopped!), nothing at all but just words...
Second, search for deleted comments to his article: http://www.rudigrobler.net/display/Search?moduleId=12353177&searchQuery=Samsung+Taylor
The first said (but he left all comments without reply!):
Comment On: Installing Mango on your Samsung Taylor
Journal Entry Comment by r2d2rigo on September 29, 2011
How did you get your Taylor to 7004 in the first place?
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So, it may be fake... I received Sammy Taylor at August, 2010 and installed all updates MS sent to registered developers/partners but never heard about Taylor on 7004.

In my case, it fails when applying the diff packages, since they are all 7004-7008, adn my rom is 7006.
I have try to find info about the links to 7006-7008 packages with no success so far.

[Q] How do one update an Android device?

I have a Desire HD with 2.2, and im assuming 2.3 will be released for it some time (does anyone know when?) - Thing is I dont know how updates work on Android (first smartphone). I've only had experience with iPod Touch where as it updated via iTunes.
Do I manually have to update with a 2.3 rom or is a program gonna do it for me? Also, when going from 2.2 to 2.3, will it wipe my phone clean, removing all apps.?

Android 2.3 will not be around soon...
and the updates can either be installed via htc.com or if the updates are released as over the air (OTA) update, your phone will notify you when there is an update. You just have to press update when you see the notification on your phone. You can manually check for updates via Menu ---> Settings ---> About phone ----> system software updates.
An update is likely to remove your contacts etc. But that is yet to see. HTC will mention if the update will erase your data or not.

But 2.3 is on Nexus S and many more already, how long are they gonna wait before letting other devices get it? Im not an Apple-fanboy, but I like it how they let all their devices get the latest update, and not just the newest ones.

Unfortuneately its not as simple as that.....google may release the latest update but each phone is different and cannot use the single one update that has been released....for example if you have a desire hd then you will have to wait for htc to modify the update to include sense ....or if you have a xperia then you will have to wait for Sony ericcson to modify it to include mediascape and timescape.......where as apple control their own Operating system and devices on which it is released on as such they dont need to implement other third party phone manufactures modifications to their update....hope this helps...
Feel free to correct me if im wrong

menov321 said:
Unfortuneately its not as simple as that.....google may release the latest update but each phone is different and cannot use the single one update that has been released....for example if you have a desire hd then you will have to wait for htc to modify the update to include sense ....or if you have a xperia then you will have to wait for Sony ericcson to modify it to include mediascape and timescape.......where as apple control their own Operating system and devices on which it is released on as such they dont need to implement other third party phone manufactures modifications to their update....hope this helps...
Feel free to correct me if im wrong
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I didn't even think of the fact that each manufacturer has their own customized android-system. Suddenly open-source makes more sense . In my head I was waiting for Google to release it, not HTC . Does any HTC devices officially have 2.3 yet? (Not hacked/pirated download) Cause then at least that'd be a sign of it coming - hopefully - soon.

Sounds like you shouldn't mess with the phone, like rooting it and get 2.3 now, I say wait it out til htc release an ota update to 2.4, I'm guessing at least 2 or 3 months from now.

DoeBoi said:
Sounds like you shouldn't mess with the phone, like rooting it and get 2.3 now, I say wait it out til htc release an ota update to 2.4, I'm guessing at least 2 or 3 months from now.
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Havent had plans for it either. Rooting and customROMs is just too technical for me, and I fancy the stock rom alot (first smart phone... I'd be happy with any ROM )
2.4? Then I guess it would only make sense for HTC to skip 2.3 (well... or at least if 2.4 is coming in April!)
Thanks for the stuff, guys! Gonna wait out for 2.4!!!

Juusuhako said:
Havent had plans for it either. Rooting and customROMs is just too technical for me, and I fancy the stock rom alot (first smart phone... I'd be happy with any ROM )
2.4? Then I guess it would only make sense for HTC to skip 2.3 (well... or at least if 2.4 is coming in April!)
Thanks for the stuff, guys! Gonna wait out for 2.4!!!
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By the time Gingerbread is out for this Phone, it will be Snowing at your place.
Meant, HTC plans for Gingerbread is not so likely, if so do happen, likely around in 6 month or so. By that time Desire HD2 is out already with Duo Core and 3.2 MP Frontal Camera / 10 MP Rear Camera w/ Dual Flash.
Just read the Bible on Rooting, aint so hard, had a 2nd grader done it on my extra phones. Once Rooted and Custom ROM, you will LOVE all the Extra Speed and Bumps the Factory RUU had all this time.

You are using an illegal copy of our ROM, Venom is pissed!!

or at least it seems like it.
i downloaded the port over version the other day before all the "close this thread now" stuff. And i have loved it so far.
But, i just got a notification on my phone that said there was an update available, out of curiousity as to it being verizon or venom, i clicked download and it said the following.
"You using illegal copy of our ROM, to fix it apply update" and so forth and so on.
My question is the Venom rom now ready and they are just sending out an update to get up to their specs or is this update going to kill my phone. I have no problem taking this rom off and putting something on if this update was designed to kill the old version, just want to get some answers before i go in any directs.
was just struck off guard today with this development...
thanks,......

jhollon said:
or at least it seems like it.
i downloaded the port over version the other day before all the "close this thread now" stuff. And i have loved it so far.
But, i just got a notification on my phone that said there was an update available, out of curiousity as to it being verizon or venom, i clicked download and it said the following.
"You using illegal copy of our ROM, to fix it apply update" and so forth and so on.
My question is the Venom rom now ready and they are just sending out an update to get up to their specs or is this update going to kill my phone. I have no problem taking this rom off and putting something on if this update was designed to kill the old version, just want to get some answers before i go in any directs.
was just struck off guard today with this development...
thanks,......
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i don't think anybody would side with venom if they released an update that killed somebody's phone over a ported rom.

wiredout46 said:
i don't think anybody would side with venom if they released an update that killed somebody's phone over a ported rom.
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i agree, i was just trying to find out if anyone else had seen this and did the update to see what gives.

UPDATE: i tried to install the update and it fails every single time. not sure what it is supposed to do, but it fails. just thought i would shoot the update to everyone. i am fairly certain that i am not the only one.
thanks,

see if the ROM that we are using was ported from got an update.. since it's a port, it's likely the update is for sprint...

thought that is what it might be, but the "illegal" ROM part made me wonder a bit more than usual..

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=47380724&postcount=213
turge had asked members of the verizon one community to supply fixes to enable verizon to work properly with the intl venom rom
this wasnt meant to have people fix up the rom for verizon and release it.....when its meant to be released to the public, it will be
our server cant distinguish between actual kang roms (ie chinese ones which are so prevalent) and ports that are being worked on....my advice is to not use a venom rom on your verizon one until turge or jan release it via an official thread
it wouldnt be an update from verizon as its not a verizon based rom with verizon ota files in it

nitsuj17 said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=47380724&postcount=213
turge had asked members of the verizon one community to supply fixes to enable verizon to work properly with the intl venom rom
this wasnt meant to have people fix up the rom for verizon and release it.....when its meant to be released to the public, it will be
our server cant distinguish between actual kang roms (ie chinese ones which are so prevalent) and ports that are being worked on....my advice is to not use a venom rom on your verizon one until turge or jan release it via an official thread
it wouldnt be an update from verizon as its not a verizon based rom with verizon ota files in it
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Perfectly said, Sir.

Do I need S-Off for this usage?

Hi everyone!
First of all, forgive me for all my noobish mistakes as I have never had a HTC branded phone.
I'm about to buy this phone for a quite decent price and use it as my main and daily driver so before paying I want to know some basic things beforehand.
My main point is to get the rom "ViperOne" working in the M9 with root as I want the best performance from stock HTC firmware and because I need their drivers to be as good as possible ( sound wise).
I have already read the entire OP on the thread rom of ViperOne and I haven't seen a word about S-on/off so I'm guessing that I will not have to mess around with that kind of security right?
So to sum up things, will I need S-Off for this?
-Custom Recovery (twrp)
-ViperOne rom with root.
-Maybe installing another kernel over ViperOne.
-Thermal (software) mod.
-Audio mods.
Thanks everyone by advance.

Just need to have an unlocked M9
S-off is for downgrade firmware, change CID/MID... (more risk to brick )
dirtyl0lharry said:
Hi everyone!
First of all, forgive me for all my noobish mistakes as I have never had a HTC branded phone.
I'm about to buy this phone for a quite decent price and use it as my main and daily driver so before paying I want to know some basic things beforehand.
My main point is to get the rom "ViperOne" working in the M9 with root as I want the best performance from stock HTC firmware and because I need their drivers to be as good as possible ( sound wise).
I have already read the entire OP on the thread rom of ViperOne and I haven't seen a word about S-on/off so I'm guessing that I will not have to mess around with that kind of security right?
So to sum up things, will I need S-Off for this?
-Custom Recovery (twrp)
-ViperOne rom with root.
-Maybe installing another kernel over ViperOne.
-Thermal (software) mod.
-Audio mods.
Thanks everyone by advance.
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dirtyl0lharry said:
Hi everyone!
First of all, forgive me for all my noobish mistakes as I have never had a HTC branded phone.
I'm about to buy this phone for a quite decent price and use it as my main and daily driver so before paying I want to know some basic things beforehand.
My main point is to get the rom "ViperOne" working in the M9 with root as I want the best performance from stock HTC firmware and because I need their drivers to be as good as possible ( sound wise).
I have already read the entire OP on the thread rom of ViperOne and I haven't seen a word about S-on/off so I'm guessing that I will not have to mess around with that kind of security right?
So to sum up things, will I need S-Off for this?
-Custom Recovery (twrp)
-ViperOne rom with root.
-Maybe installing another kernel over ViperOne.
-Thermal (software) mod.
-Audio mods.
Thanks everyone by advance.
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You don't need s-off but it is HIGHLY RECOMMENDED to do so if you're rooting the device and messing with roms. It gives that extra level of recovering the device should you cabbage it.
This but is a slight education into custom roms and why "I" believe you shouldn't do it on ANY device:
Custom roms/firmwares are built using "open source" code. Stock roms/firmwares are built using "proprietary" code. "proprietary" code is code that is specifically written for 'x' device by a team of software engineers using "proprietary" software and hardware specifically built for 'x' brand. For example, htc have their own stuff and samsung have theirs, so on and so forth. This makes the software "married/tailor made" to the hardware so it comes as optimised as it can possibly be while weighing in factors of carrier "bloatware". No-one wants to lose a customer because of a device that is inherently slow. No-one will buy a device that is inherently slow.
Then you have custom roms and firmware. Because proprietary code is private and not for the public domain, this "open source code" is more or less "trial and error" process to get all the features of a rom or firmware to run efficiently and effectively. This results in non optimised bad code, bugs, long processes, excess code and therefore "CAN" be slower than stock roms. Couple this with deodexed and it'll bog the device down in no time.
So as you can see, I don't really like custom roms or firmware just for the fact it is no faster or no better than the software that came with the device in the first place. It was designed specifically.
My advice is to leave the phone stock rooted and s-off if you MUST have them. Otherwise don't touch it at all and continue to get updates as they are released with no hassle!.
Beamed in by telepathy.

I need to correct some of the information that got posted previously in this thread.
First of all: There are only custom roms but no custom firmwares for HTC devices (c.f. the difference between rom and firmware).
Second: S-OFF increases the risk of a hard-brick dramatically since it removes security checks of the phone (c.f. this article, the 5th post/the first page of Sneakyghost's firmware thread and the article that I already linked above). S-ON phones will refuse to accept broken files (e.g. RUUs that got corrupted due to a bad download). A phone with S-OFF on the other hand will get flashed with such a broken file and you won't get notified with any error outputs. Another example are those NoRedText aboots which remove the read warning that appears during the boot if the bootloader got unlocked. You can only flash them with S-OFF but if the hex edits didn't get executed correctly this can actually lead to unrecoverable damages.
Don't get me wrong. I'm using a S-OFF phone, too. However, you need to be aware of the risks and that you don't need S-OFF for recovering a phone. Keeping a RUU at hand for your current firmware version (if one exists) or at least a TWRP backup of the stock rom is more than enough. Damages that can't get repaired with either a RUU or a backup can't get repaired with S-OFF, either, in most of the cases.
Third: You need to differentiate between stock rom based custom roms (e.g. ViperOne or ICE) and those custom roms that are developed from source (those are the roms that shivadow mentioned in his post - e.g. Lineage or Resurrection Remix).
Those roms that are based on the stock rom deliver the same perfomance (or maybe an almost not noticeable better/worse performance) than the stock rom does. There are no differences between the core of these roms and the stock rom. (On the other hands this means that bugs of the stock rom are present in these roms, as well.) Therefore the performance differences are minimalistic. However, you don't flash such roms due to their performance differences (in comparison with the stock rom) but due to the additional features that they provide on top of the stock rom experience.
Causes for disadvantages of the other group of custom roms already got explained by shivadow in his post. A perfect example is the bad perfomance of HTC's cameras (the hardware of the phones not the app) on CM/Lineage roms. Nevertheless, I've never seen an HTC phone being incredibly slower on a custom rom than it was on the stock rom. My One S for example is much snappier on Lineage 14.1 than it would be on its android 4.1.1 stock rom and its battery is lasting much longer (well, android 7 has way more battery optimizations than android 4.1.1 so that isn't such a surprise). The only thing that I can complain about is (as mentioned before) the picture quality of the camera.
In other words, it's not always black and white. The best advice that I can give is to test all roms that are available and to use that custom/stock rom that suits your needs best.
Fourth and last: The M9 is more than two years old. HTC normally doesn't support any phone longer than this time period. There probably won't be any more updates than the nougat updates for those SKUs that haven't received firmware 4.x, yet.
TL;DR: What got written in post #2.

I tried to generalise, thats why i mentioned custom firmwares AND roms as some devices have custom firmware, rather than custom roms. Some have both, some have none.
Absolutely right that s-off is a double edged sword that you don't really want to fall on so I highly recommend that it is best to keep the device as stock but if you must root it it's worth s-off. I've seen plenty of posts for devices being screwed regardless of s-off. Also don't you need s-off to be able to restore your system backup from twrp?.
THE only reason I rooted my phone is to block "intrusive" ads. I don't want ads on my homescreen, lockscreen or really anything but apps that are good enough to warrant being paid for their efforts. Now that there is an abundance of adblocking software that no longer requires root I have absolutely no reason to keep my phone modded. I'd flash back to stock but my luck says I'll f**k the phone beyond recognition. It'll probably burn my house down, crash my car and kill my dog too!.
Nowadays root isn't necessary if you're not a dev. Thats the point I'm trying to get across!.
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shivadow said:
Also don't you need s-off to be able to restore your system backup from twrp?
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No, you don't (and never did). It doesn't make any sense to S-OFF the phone just because you can if you don't need it for any of the purposes that are mentioned in the articles/posts that I linked in my last post. It only highers the risk of bricks due to what I wrote in my last post.
And there are other uses for custom roms/root aside from ad blocking but that would be an off-topic discussion in this thread.
Sent from my HTC One M9 using XDA Labs

@Flippy498 @shivadow thank you guys for all the links and the extra informations. I really appreciate it since there are things about HTC that I haven't seen on any other brands.
To get things clearer, since my Moto G XT1039 is getting old ( low performance and battery barely keeps up with the day) and I'm really into music and sound (spotify premium and lots of flacs) and a Fiio X7 android based mp4 is too expensive, I wanted to get a top sound-chip phone, actually, a phone with a top Digital to Analogic Converter.
Of course I do know that if I want to use all the power and features that the M9 makes for its sound, I need to be on stock firmware because of the drivers. I'm guessing that the audio behaves like the camera once using and AOSP based rom ( LOS, Slim, RRemix...) getting worse.
Thats why I want this phone, it basically is much more powerful than my Moto G SD400, it has way better camera, it has a 64bit SoC and official Nougat update and I'll end up with a great DAP on my pocket to use with Spotify.
As I said, I like to get everything as minimal as possible, I hate when the home screen is full of icons and widgets, I hate having lots of icons and indicatos on the status bar, I hate having all sensor toggled on ( gpu, nfc, bluetooth...), thats why I was looking for a stock rom that let me custom all the things to keep it as minimal as possible.
If you know any other updated, stock based rom, just let me know and link it to me as I'll disable as many things as I can to get extra battery on the phone. Yes, you can guess it, even on battery saving mode, the M9 would beat the hell out of the Moto G, so I'm giving up on everything but the sound, just to get more battery time.
I hope you can understand me now.