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Weird!! "Phoenix" Problem

Gad. As an engineer, I am a little reluctant to post this question or observation ... but if trained active astronaughts reported seeing UFOs, then I can report this problem. Here it goes:
My upgrade to 6.1 on my T-Mobile Dash coincided, unfortunately, to the day, with a new job that requires me to commute to Phoenix, AZ each week (as well as other brief US travels).
The evening I installed 6.1 (RUU_Excalibur_WM61_Kavana_080408_WWE)
I was in my home in the Silicon Valley area of CA. No problems.
Then
1. I shuttle off to Phoenix. From the moment I landed - email was just broken all over the place - mainly SMTP - which is well documented on these boards. A replacement Dash, 30 hours of tech support etc .. the problem has seemed to go away - perhaps it was a bizzare temporary incompatability between the 6.1 upgrade and tmobile's proxy servers.
now then ....
2. When I am in CA - my appointment reminders, and the overall behavior of the Dash is OK. I tend to use Tasks, Outlook, and text and pop emails quite often, browser and playing solitaire when i get bored. and lots of bluetooth use. Usually no problems with any of this while in CA.
3. I've traveled recently to Orlando, LA, St. Louis, San Fran, Indiana ... no problems at all - or rather no changes in behavior.
4. The SECOND I land in Phoenix and turn on my phone, the poltergeists start:
a. I turn on the phone - and all the reminders appear (no surprise) - but the "dismiss/menu" options don't appear for maybe 5 mins. I cannot do anything during this time except click on the Celetask button (@)... but this won't allow me to terminate anything. Only the back button and home key work - returning me to the frozen reminders list.
b. After 5 mins of freezing ... I either dismiss the reminder/appointments (or snooze them for 1 hour - ... one hour). Then I try to look at emails etc ... I find the button responses sluggish but working. THEN within about a min - the damn reminders appear again. When I dismiss them all, they reappear in about a min - this time with a duplicate of each active reminder (calender appts) ... yes, 2 of each. This keeps interrupting email reading until I cant stand it.
c. so I take out the battery, wait, and reboot. perhaps after 5 trys of this - the behavior still persists, but stable enough for me to work on the dash (perhaps it is not the reboots - but that the appointment reminder cycle has expired)
d. Even so ... during the next few hours -
i. Major problems talking on the phone. Reminders interrupt; cannot access phone menus (toggle handsfree, or to type touchtone numbers)
ii. When navigating other apps - keyboard does not always respond ... sometimes it appears to stuff in erroneous keystrokes
iii. freezes (unresponsive) for long periods 3-4 mins at a time then all the backlog of keypresses are excuted.
Yes, I have replaced the Dash twice already! That's not the problem
Taking out the battery, or otherwise rebooting actually seems to make the problem worse (the reminders trip over themselves and take forever to clear)
These problems only seem to occur when I stay in Phoenix (I know, a UFO sighting in more pausable).
The problems seem to subside within a day or two but I am not certain.
These problems don't seem to happen in any other city ! Took 4-5 months of traveling to realize this!
gulp ...
Has anyone else experienced anything close to this?

Try a new SIM card, especially if it is older. Sounds funny, but there's a lot of datafill in the HLR/MSC that are tied to specific SIM card ranges. I've seen switching SIMs fix all kinds of issues. Give it a shot... worth a try

It may be tied to the stupid t-mobile Arizona time zone problem. If the phone is set to sync with the time servers to keep accurate, then it will mess with everything else that relies on time. I have to keep mine unchecked for time synchro because otherwise it is an hour off and that changes everything in the calendar.
Next time you head towards Phoenix, try unchecking the automatic time/time zone option in your clock. You may need to reset the clock, but hopefully, it won't screw everything else up.

im in phoenix and nothing like this has happened to me lol. as stated above could very well be because of the timezone issues.

Tilt 2 Clock issue?

Just received my phone today. I toyed around with the phone and I noticed everytime I select something : task manager, program, volume. When the phone returns to the home screen the clock shows a time of 6:24 then it flips to the correct time. I had the Original Tilt and have never used Touchflo 3D. Is this the norm? It was cute the first time now it's aggrevating.
PS- I'm running stock rom.

Yep it's my location time running behind your normal clock.

I noticed the same thing too. The clock appears to start an hour behind and then flips to the correct time.
Its slightly annoying. =/
Happens on the stock AT&T rom. Don't know if it happens on other ROMs.

Neo.magic said:
Yep it's my location time running behind your normal clock.
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Ok you lost me. Can you explain?

Actually, mine starts 1:02:00 behind, then it switches to my current time. So I see the hour flip once and the minute flip twice. If you want to recreate this, just tap the notifications up top, close them, and then you'll see the time change. It's as if ATT wanted the clock to flip once when changing focus to it...

im using the tilt with a cooked rom and i have the same "issue. mildly annoying; would be nice to get rid of it

Unfortunately, it's working as designed. I believe it's supposed to be a "coolness" feature of the clock flipping everytime you go to the page.

I'm not sure I agree - you can see the behavior with the digital clock on device lock as well. There, it's not so cool. It really looks like it's doing something wrong.
Anyone know where to set 'my location' if you've gotten rid of TF3D?

me too
I noticed that the first day I got it on the Wednesday. I agree it is annoying and would like to prevent it if possible. I will keep looking to see if anyone comes up with a fix.
The other thing that I have noticed is that the SMS and or Email will just pop up for no apparent reason. I have it set to check my Email accounts every 15 minutes but I dont think it is on that time frame. It seems fairly random. Let me know if anyone else has noticed this that way I can see if it is something I have installed causing the problem.
Thanks, Kevin

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It's the Time Zone Auto Fix package that is causing it...Just the way HTC is keeping your time accurate. Try disabling auto time check.

BG4 all also fixes it
Background For All includes a couple of flip clocks (clear and white) and also "fixes" this behavior. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=572166

At0mAng said:
It's the Time Zone Auto Fix package that is causing it...Just the way HTC is keeping your time accurate. Try disabling auto time check.
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Where is that setting at?

At0mAng said:
It's the Time Zone Auto Fix package that is causing it...Just the way HTC is keeping your time accurate. Try disabling auto time check.
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Assuming you meant the settings under 'Phone', this had no effect for me. Still flips. Going to try the Background 4 All & Flip Clock next. Thanks

The time between what's first shown and what it is flipped to / skipped to is about 75 minutes apart (I caught it enough times to see it happen). It's a very odd time to be off / different...

I've got this issue too, and I'm running the stock att rom for now. I agree, very irritating. I thought something was wrong with my phone until I found this thread.

It appears that the time is when I last looked at my phone, as if it's cached (either the time or what seems more likely - the screen) and then is updated and refreshed. I wonder if there's a way to disable this caching, if that's what it actually is...

Probably handled in the LUA scripts as they describe how the page is rendered & what action do what. My suggestion is try to find the Home Page from one of the other TP versions. They don't have the flip clock.
EDIT: The newer Sense 2.1 TF3D does this as well as animated the whole BG with the Weather on the Home page anytime TF3D looses focus & gains focus back. This means when you go to a screen that is not TF3D. An example is just opening & closing the start menu on a 6.5 ROM.

A fix for the clock issue
Here is the manila file to fix the clock issue...To istall you must disable manila and then total commander this file into the windows directory of your phone

gramsey1911 said:
Here is the manila file to fix the clock issue...To istall you must disable manila and then total commander this file into the windows directory of your phone
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You're on to something there. Fixed the flip but screwed up the clock. Digits are all screwed up.
Any ideas?
Thanks for working on this.
(copied from the tilt2 tips/problems thread)

SOLVED!! - TF3D Weather - change update frequency?

Anybody know if there's a way to change the update interval for the weather tab in TF3D? I'm not even sure how often mine currently updates; I've seen it say "Last Update" as old as 3 hours. I most often see it as 2 hours, so I assume it's updating right around every 3 hours or so.
I'd like to get it to update at least every hour, if not every half hour. The weather here in Minnesota can change pretty quickly!
Does anybody know how to do this?
Any and all help is greatly appreciated!

That's a mystery to me, too. Under menu/settings, you can check "Download weather automatically." But it doesn't say how often and I don't see where you can set or change the interval.

Any ROM with Sense/TF3D/Manila 2.5 allows specified update times for stock, weather, etc. There's a link in my signature to EnergyROM, and it has TF3D 2.5. The only downside to TF3D 2.5 is that it doesn't support landscape, and can be slightly laggy at times.

I'm using the Energy ROM, but it's the newest one which had Manila backed off to 2.1 (I think).
Is this still possible somehow without going to Manila 2.5?
Thanks,

Correct me if I’m wrong, but it seems to me the “auto update” feature isn’t what most people think it should be. I’ve observed that if you have the auto update toggled on, it just means that every time you navigate to the weather tab and the weather is over 3 hrs old, your device will attempt to retrieve updated info. It doesn’t retrieve the updated info on a fixed regular interval in the background. You must navigate to the weather tab to trigger the update.

I do believe it automatically updates in the background after around 3 hours as well, because I have at times went to the weather tab and found it to be, for instance, 14 minutes old.
It's just annoying because I'm using a Today Screen that has the weather underneath the clock. so if it updates at, say, 7 in the morning and it's 31 degrees out, then I look again at 9:30am and the today screen still says 31 degrees, when its actually gotten up to, say, 42 degrees. That's what happened this morning...

DaveTheTytnIIGuy said:
Any ROM with Sense/TF3D/Manila 2.5 allows specified update times for stock, weather, etc. There's a link in my signature to EnergyROM, and it has TF3D 2.5. The only downside to TF3D 2.5 is that it doesn't support landscape, and can be slightly laggy at times.
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Shame this is only for manila 2.5
ohyeahar said:
Correct me if I’m wrong, but it seems to me the “auto update” feature isn’t what most people think it should be. I’ve observed that if you have the auto update toggled on, it just means that every time you navigate to the weather tab and the weather is over 3 hrs old, your device will attempt to retrieve updated info. It doesn’t retrieve the updated info on a fixed regular interval in the background. You must navigate to the weather tab to trigger the update.
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Yeas, same behavior here.
Perhaps any registry edit?
Hope this can have a solution as it´s very annoying
Thanks,

Looking for a reg hack for this too .. seems odd that it does not update more often if you want it too .. i have unlimited bandwith so not a big deal to me ...
someone ? Help us ?

bump..
I too would like to know the answer to this, its annoying looking at it and haing o check the last time it updated Kinda defeats the purpose
I wonder i seem to not be seeing full animation on the home screen, just a short fade in. No Temperature either, any thoughts?
I am using Energy Rom with 2.1 on TILT2

After it auto updates, does it disconnect the data connection on it's own or do you have to manually disconnect it? I'm only worried that if the phone stays connected, it will drain my battery way to fast.
On mine the data connection stays on so i turn off auto update.

Scann69 said:
After it auto updates, does it disconnect the data connection on it's own or do you have to manually disconnect it? I'm only worried that if the phone stays connected, it will drain my battery way to fast.
On mine the data connection stays on so i turn off auto update.
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Try this instead: Download and install Advanced Config if you don't already have it (most cooked ROMs do), run it, tap the "Menu" softkey, then "More Settings" then "Connections". Then, check the "Disconnect after:" box, and set it to whatever you like (mine's set at 5 minutes). Tap "OK" at the bottom, exit Advanced Config, soft reset and the changes will take effect. In my experience, your battery life will be much better after doing this.

DaveTheTytnIIGuy said:
Try this instead: Download and install Advanced Config if you don't already have it (most cooked ROMs do), run it, tap the "Menu" softkey, then "More Settings" then "Connections". Then, check the "Disconnect after:" box, and set it to whatever you like (mine's set at 5 minutes). Tap "OK" at the bottom, exit Advanced Config, soft reset and the changes will take effect. In my experience, your battery life will be much better after doing this.
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Ok that makes sense Thanks for the tip. I don't have Advance Config tool but i'm using Tweak UI and it has that option too.
I'll see how it goes

SOLVED!
Got it working folks! I added the reg entry from a Sense 2.5 ROM, and can confirm that I've got it auto updating weather every half hour!!
Create this DWord entry in the following key:
HKCU\Software\HTC\Manila\
Dword Name:
Weather.AutoDownloadInterval
DWord Value:
30 (Decimal)
Change the value to whatever time you want in minutes. Reboot. Voila!
Enjoy!

SOLVED - Can set Sense 2.1 weather update frequency!!
Had been trying for some time to get the weather tab (and therefore the weather under the clock) to update more frequently than every 2 - 3 hours. I added the reg entry from a Sense 2.5 ROM, and can confirm that I've got it auto updating weather every half hour!!
Create this DWord entry in the following key:
HKCU\Software\HTC\Manila\
Dword Name:
Weather.AutoDownloadInterval
DWord Value:
30 (Decimal)
Change the value to whatever time you want in minutes. Reboot. Voila!
Enjoy!

NOW THAT IS WHAT I AM TALKIN ABOUT!
Excellent work bro. Been looking for this for a looong time.
Checking it as we speak.

Any trick for automatic update of the weather image.
I mean for example: now is night ... I update the weather application via internet ... the image is e.g. the moon (but I also have the meteo for next 3 days)... If I don't update again, the image of the moon still remain even at midday and don't change also the day after. Is it possible to have an image that change updated with the clock? I don't want update constantly via internet for having a correct image on my today screen
SPB weather do this correctly.
Sorry for my bad english ... I hope you can understand.
Thanks in advance.

muccamucca said:
Any trick for automatic update of the weather image.
I mean for example: now is night ... I update the weather application via internet ... the image is e.g. the moon (but I also have the meteo for next 3 days)... If I don't update again, the image of the moon still remain even at midday and don't change also the day after. Is it possible to have an image that change updated with the clock? I don't want update constantly via internet for having a correct image on my today screen
SPB weather do this correctly.
Sorry for my bad english ... I hope you can understand.
Thanks in advance.
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The image updates with the weather...because it displays the weather, not just day-or-night. I mean, it doesn't show just a sun or moon, it can be sun-with-clouds, moon-with-rain, etc. So that's why it doesn't change if you don't update the weather. If you set it to update once every hour or two...that's a very small hit on battery life.

Okay, this "hack" is behaving a little strangely. I absolutely know for certain that it essentially works - my weather has updated every half hour numerous times now. But, if you've got a weak signal and the weather CAN'T update at the required time, it seems to break. It has happened once now, and I looked at the weather tab and it said last updated 1 hour ago.
What I SHOULD have done then was just wait, to see when it finally tried again. But instead I hit the update button and updated it, after which it worked as it should and updated every half hour.
So, once it "breaks" by not being able to retrieve the update, I need to find out how long it waits after that, and if it DOES finally auto update again, whether or not it sticks to the half hour interval after.
I'll keep an eye on it and let you know what happens. In the meantime, I absolutely suggest adding that reg entry! No ill effects so far, even once "broke" I'm certain it will auto update again eventually. Plus, it doesn't fail to update often at all (only when my signal is at like 1 bar), so for day to day purposes this should be excellent.
And like I said, if it does fail, you just have to manually update it once and it's back up again.
GOod luck, let me know if anyone else experiences this. I just tend to go to a few places with no signal alot...
THanks,
Jeff

notaliberal said:
Okay, this "hack" is behaving a little strangely. I absolutely know for certain that it essentially works - my weather has updated every half hour numerous times now. But, if you've got a weak signal and the weather CAN'T update at the required time, it seems to break. It has happened once now, and I looked at the weather tab and it said last updated 1 hour ago.
What I SHOULD have done then was just wait, to see when it finally tried again. But instead I hit the update button and updated it, after which it worked as it should and updated every half hour.
So, once it "breaks" by not being able to retrieve the update, I need to find out how long it waits after that, and if it DOES finally auto update again, whether or not it sticks to the half hour interval after.
I'll keep an eye on it and let you know what happens. In the meantime, I absolutely suggest adding that reg entry! No ill effects so far, even once "broke" I'm certain it will auto update again eventually. Plus, it doesn't fail to update often at all (only when my signal is at like 1 bar), so for day to day purposes this should be excellent.
And like I said, if it does fail, you just have to manually update it once and it's back up again.
GOod luck, let me know if anyone else experiences this. I just tend to go to a few places with no signal alot...
THanks,
Jeff
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Jeff.....thank you soooooo much for discovering this!! Im going to try this asap !! I have been wanting to autoupdate the weather at a specific time interval forever. Also, if someone could cab this or better yet add it to advance config or other config app which you could easily edit the time interval...that would be luv. Thanks again for this.
p.s. could you post which rom and radio your using..

My pleasure!
It's still a little flaky, but I think that's because the URL for the updates is being flaky. I tried a manual update 4 times before it was successful. THen I set the interval to 10 minutes, and it indeed updated appropriately every 10 mins. So again, it works, but it appears we're at the mercy of the server that's dishing out the weather info.
I'm on the Energy ROM from 11/08/2009 and I'm using the 4.49.25.05 Radio.
I would absolutely cab this up for you, but I have not learned how yet. So until someone else can, you're going to have to make the reg entry by hand.
If someone does cab this up, might I suggest making several cabs for different update times. Perhaps a 30 minute, a 60 minute, and a 15 minute for the really hardcore junkies?
Thanks, good luck, and enjoy the more frequent updates!

htc news widget not updating?

So i have the htc news widget set to the bbc news feed and the auto refresh set to every 30 minutes (also tried manual-only as well but more on that later)
anyway, if left alone and set to every 30 minutes, it doesn't actually ever update. you have to go into the actual program, into the feed, then menu -> refresh, and all of a sudden bam, updated.
if you press the bottom border of the widget (which FYI, refreshes for you. applies to twitter and friendstream too). it does nothing at all either.
if i set it to manual, it also doesn't actually refresh from pressing the bottom (it says refreshing, but nothing new comes up). you still have to go into the actual feed and refresh in there.
anybody elses doing this?
its a bit annoying. the news app is so sexy looking, but if its not going to update automatically, or with a single button, its not worth it

Can just press the bar at the bottom of the widget to manually update. But true it doesnt seem to do it automatically.

like i said, pressing the bar doesn't actually do anything.
it will say "updating", then the time will change to whatever the current time is, as if its updated
but it wont actually get any new stories...even if they are definitely there to get

cheesebanana said:
like i said, pressing the bar doesn't actually do anything.
it will say "updating", then the time will change to whatever the current time is, as if its updated
but it wont actually get any new stories...even if they are definitely there to get
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Exact same issue here.

oh wow
the problem is that they dont seem to be arranged in order of newest to oldest
they seem like, totally arbitrarily arranged, comparing it to the actual rss feed.
the latest 50 (or whatever) items are on there, they're just in any old order
useful ¬_¬

Yeah i noticed that.. keep getting old articles pop up!

okay actually
looks like they're in reverse order and jumbled a bit
newer ones generally go to the bottom (wtf?) and older ones generally go to the top
how useful

Having a lot of problems with the widgets not updating on mine : news, weather and even mail (hotmail account not the gmail one). WiFi may have been behind the mail problem which I had this morning - need to check more
I ended up getting rid of the standard htc news one and using a BBC widget (it was the only stream I used on it anyway). You only get one story as its not a full page one but at a touch you get the full set of headlines and then at another touch an instant link to the web page. Thinks its just called BBC News

I know these posts are old but i'm bored!
If you have a 'task manager' installed make sure it's not stopping these updating functions by default.

The only way to get the News widget to sync (2.2) is to do a factory reset. It's true, I've done it.

what is good news widget choice for us with LAUNCHER PRO launcher/home?

Anyone found a way to fix it yet?
Mine (on a Desire z, granted) does no updating at all, if i try to manualy update, it shows updating.. for a few seconds, then nothing, just show the old date that I managed to get updates on.

Same with the Weather widget
Since a week, I can't get any weather updates anymore (neither automatic nor manual), I just get 'Weather Data unavailable' after a few seconds.

Had the same problem ... shutting down and taking out the battery helps.
Maybe try setting it to 30mins auto-update in case manual update shouldn't work.
These tiny fellows behave like notebooks, somehow

I think you must use rom office

True multitasking for messenger apps (Kik, Whatsapp, Skype)

Hi, I've just moved from android to WP7.5 mango but I'm a little disappointed by the lack of apps that can truly multitask, especially messenger apps.
Yea they all "work" fine but after moving from a high end android to a high end WP7 I'm surprised that even though the app can alert you of notifications through push, when you click on the appropriate app it has to almost open up/boot up from new, unlike in android where the program is constantly running in the background and can be summoned almost instantly without the lag of resuming from a deep sleep.
I've checked in settings under "background tasks" and none of the messenger apps appear there which makes me wonder if they are truly multitasking (which I'm pretty sure they are not) as this was one of the supposed key features of the mango update.
Does anyone know if this is going to be the way it will always be or is this something that is going to improve with time, so we can switch between apps at will without the app ever closing or hibernating?

Also, something else I've noticed, push notifications will not start until the first time the messenger app (in this instance Kik) is started up for the first time since boot. Unlike in android I guess a background process started running from when the phone boots so that even though the app hasn't actually been opened yet it will still alert you of anything new.

Skype is rumored to be floating about withi MS... possible end of Feb release? Would guess app will take advantage of toast, push, etc. if not, then as you've discovered with existing IM's, less than ideal experience.
Cheers

if you jailbreak your phone, there is a registry edit that will make every app work with the multitasking regardless if it supports mango or not. I believe it is the dehydration hack to 0, something like that.

sikodemon said:
Hi, I've just moved from android to WP7.5 mango but I'm a little disappointed by the lack of apps that can truly multitask, especially messenger apps.
Yea they all "work" fine but after moving from a high end android to a high end WP7 I'm surprised that even though the app can alert you of notifications through push, when you click on the appropriate app it has to almost open up/boot up from new, unlike in android where the program is constantly running in the background and can be summoned almost instantly without the lag of resuming from a deep sleep.
I've checked in settings under "background tasks" and none of the messenger apps appear there which makes me wonder if they are truly multitasking (which I'm pretty sure they are not) as this was one of the supposed key features of the mango update.
Does anyone know if this is going to be the way it will always be or is this something that is going to improve with time, so we can switch between apps at will without the app ever closing or hibernating?
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Messengers like Whatsapp and Kik use push notifications. That's why they don't appear under Background tasks as these are scheduled tasks that are executed periodically. And I personally rather wait that extra 2 or 3 seconds for an app to load instead of having it wasting precious battery life and RAM. Especially the latter sucks since it causes instability and lags.

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if you jailbreak your phone, there is a registry edit that will make every app work with the multitasking regardless if it supports mango or not. I believe it is the dehydration hack to 0, something like that.
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That isn't actually background processing. It just stays in memory so exectution can immediately resume without reloading the app and data.
For many things, this is actually desired behavior. Imagine playing some arcade style game. Switch to a different app for a few minutes. Return to the game only to find that it is over. And for other apps that don't change the display without the user entering information, there is no point for CPU consumption until it is back to the foregroung.
I have the setting applied and verified with Angry Birds that it pauses once in the background, but immediately resumes once you return.

dkp1977 said:
Messengers like Whatsapp and Kik use push notifications. That's why they don't appear under Background tasks as these are scheduled tasks that are executed periodically. And I personally rather wait that extra 2 or 3 seconds for an app to load instead of having it wasting precious battery life and RAM. Especially the latter sucks since it causes instability and lags.
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I can see where you're coming from now, yea, I suppose I too would prefer to wait a few extra seconds than have it drain battery. Just didn't realise such a simple app like kik/whatsapp would use so much resourses to cause a serious effect.
Oh well

Also, as mentioned above, I don't seem to receive notifications via the messenger apps until I open it for the first time since the phone boots.

on android the power consumption of whatsapp in background is so low, that it almost can't be messured at all.
It is quite annoying that you have to wait for reloading everytime you get a message pushed.
i have tried not to use whatsapp and google talk on my galaxy s for a while and used wp7 apps instead. but it didn't last long. it's simply to slow, when you are used to android (4).

The load time of WhatsApp doesn't bother me.
The big problem is that I want to use WhatsApp instead of text messages, but because push notifications usually arrive very late (usually 15 minutes late, sometimes more), I can't rely on it instead of text messages.
EDIT: I decided to bite the bullet, and did a hard reset to my phone. Now push notifications are working properly. Yay!

Piino23 said:
on android the power consumption of whatsapp in background is so low, that it almost can't be messured at all.
It is quite annoying that you have to wait for reloading everytime you get a message pushed.
i have tried not to use whatsapp and google talk on my galaxy s for a while and used wp7 apps instead. but it didn't last long. it's simply to slow, when you are used to android (4).
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But why? Why should the push notifications take so long compared to android devices? Surely they both use a similar process to check and receive. I've gotten so used to apps running perfectly behind the scenes that suddenly not having it almost makes the phone unusable
Having serious second thoughts about WP7 now.

sikodemon said:
But why? Why should the push notifications take so long compared to android devices? Surely they both use a similar process to check and receive. I've gotten so used to apps running perfectly behind the scenes that suddenly not having it almost makes the phone unusable
Having serious second thoughts about WP7 now.
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Actually, I felt in same way as you do now, when I moved to WP7. I had an iPhone which works like Android (front ending at least). Instant resume. So I wanted to die everytime I had to open Kik or just open a toast notification. WHY RELOADING THE APP?
Now I got used. I really think MS is going to change this in WP8 (6 months from now?), and really love the OS. I hate those icons scattered all around my screen, and tiles are perfect at my personal taste.
And Push Notifications works just perfect for me. Me and my brother are in same group conversation at Kik. When someone sends a message, we receive together. Actually, I receive first. One second or less first.. Same for WhatsApp.
And Push Notifications from WP7 are much more solid than Android; MS use a system pretty much alike Apple's. If the Push Notifications are not working in some app, you can put the blame on the developer or maybe your carrier. Like Facebook app there is a 15 minutes delay indeed, but this is how the notifications are meant to be.
I had an Android and I remember the freaking lag. Reseting it all the time, worrying about custom ROM, ASOP ROM, updates that was not coming to me, infected apps, and I wouldnt change the app loading for this again.
Relax and enjoy your new phone.. You have much less to worry about now.

From what you say I'm understanding that you go and open the app each time you get a new message, or you tap the notification so the app opens from scratch.
The app is actually hibernating if you dont close it (dont know the correct term).
-Open the app and go to a conversation.
-Hit the windows key to go the main view
-Press and hold the "back" button, move to the left and the app will be right there, select it and you'll get your instant resume.
Push notifications works fine for me, WhatsApp at least.

Just confirming what Imsparta said. Any Mango app will let you instant resume. Follow these very simple rules:
A.) When exiting any app you may want to go back to, exit with the Start Button (Windows button) NOT the back button.
B.) When seeing a push notification or toast, DO NOT tap on the app OR notification.
C.) Instead, hold down your back button until your app cards appear, then select the app you wish to return to.
The app will resume instantly with little to no load time at all and you can jump back in and continue where you left off.
Happy hunting.

Wyn6 said:
Just confirming what Imsparta said. Any Mango app will let you instant resume. Follow these very simple rules:
A.) When exiting any app you may want to go back to, exit with the Start Button (Windows button) NOT the back button.
B.) When seeing a push notification or toast, DO NOT tap on the app OR notification.
C.) Instead, hold down your back button until your app cards appear, then select the app you wish to return to.
The app will resume instantly with little to no load time at all and you can jump back in and continue where you left off.
Happy hunting.
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Yes this is all true and I am aware of the instant resume feature in mango, BUT:
Although a toast and/or notification appears at the top of the screen or on the app icon it still has not updated the message list within the actual app, so if you "instant resume" it still has to connect to the app server to retrieve an updated list of messages received which can take up to 10-15 seconds and can be quite painful if I'm in a 2g coverage area.
So in lamens: I'll see a notification at the top of my screen which also displays part of the message I've just received, and the app icon will have a notification symbol, but when I resume KIK it shows an outdated conversation until it "syncs" with the server.
....kinda sucks.
Don't get me wrong though I love WP7, just not this little crease.
Also someone mentioned windows 8, will this be coming to wp7 users or is that meant more for tablets/PCs?

sikodemon said:
Yes this is all true and I am aware of the instant resume feature in mango, BUT:
Although a toast and/or notification appears at the top of the screen or on the app icon it still has not updated the message list within the actual app, so if you "instant resume" it still has to connect to the app server to retrieve an updated list of messages received which can take up to 10-15 seconds and can be quite painful if I'm in a 2g coverage area.
So in lamens: I'll see a notification at the top of my screen which also displays part of the message I've just received, and the app icon will have a notification symbol, but when I resume KIK it shows an outdated conversation until it "syncs" with the server.
....kinda sucks.
Don't get me wrong though I love WP7, just not this little crease.
Also someone mentioned windows 8, will this be coming to wp7 users or is that meant more for tablets/PCs?
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I'm with you. Love WP7, but hate the multitasking. Specially when it comes about messenger apps.
And I mentioned Windows Phone 8, not Windows 8. Windows 8 is for tablets and PCs indeed.