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Difference between Official Froyo and Roms???

Hello,
i've got a question. i'm a new htc desire user for 2 weeks now. Saturday i updated my phone to froyo 2.2
But what is the difference between custom roms build on froyo and the original froyo update besides rooting???
i've got an unbranded phone in belgium.

put simply, the modded ones have way more functions than the official ones, contain newer kernels, are often faster and may also look quite a bit different regarding the user interface.
edit: just have a look at the Desire Development Section and check out the with [ROM] prefixed threads, you'll often see a list of features.

[Q] Second Most Important Thing After Root - OTA??

Ok so now I'm rooted and I'm not installing OTAs, but where does that leave my phone? I read all the root information in the stickies and they say to get new ROMs once they become available, but where should I be following these new ROMs? Is there some place I can check every day or so often to discover if the latest OS version has a ROM? I think this is important information especially concerning security updates and such that may be included in the latest versions of Android. Perhaps this information (such as where to get the latest ROMs or even who is working on them or even what the latest version of the operating system that will work on an evo) is deserving of a sticky.
Thanks a lot for any help. Now that I am rooted I don't want to fall behind in important updates. I even heard the latest OTA for Evo has Swype. (I have a version, but even so...)

Some ROMs have built in updaters like Fresh, Myns and others I can't remember. Also I believe the paid version of rom manager has a updater.
The best though is to bookmark the thread where you got your rom and check it every so often.
I wouldn't worry about daily updates, even the best dev will only update every couple weeks.
Also most of the sense based roms will update a day or two after a OTA update. ASOP are in their own category and generally update when Google or cyanogen release something new.

[Q] i have some questions about modding the defy before i decide to buy it

hi guys,
i am planning to buy a motorla defy, and i have some background on rooting and installing custom roms with my current samsung spica on cm6.1. but with the locked bootloader and stuff, it seems the method for modding and installing custom roms for the defy is not as straight forward (rooting should be easy). i have read through the wikis and guides and mostly understand everything, but i have questions that i want to ask still. i am about 90% sure about everything i read but i just want confirmation
1) clockwork recovery is the only custom recovery available for the defy? also it's not the official clockwork recovery right? so i can't install the app from the market?
2) does the locked bootloader mean we can't change the kernel? we can install custom roms through nandriod backup but we still have to stick to stock kernels?
3) is there an official froyo stock rom already out? or are they just froyo leaks? also, are all the froyo custom roms based on stock froyo base?
4) what does vsel mean? i know its an important setting for overclocking/underclocking the defy
5) what does sbf mean? is it similar to radio?
6) rdslite is like ruu (flashing software/tool) that comes with the defy?
thanks in advance. i'm really looking forward to this phone given the specs and the price. i just want to know how easy it is to mod it

Hello I have a Defy already and I played with the tools you say so I can try answering some of your questions. Please note that I am no expert and I might not be correct on all.
Q. clockwork recovery is the only custom recovery available for the defy? also it's not the official clockwork recovery right? so i can't install the app from the market?
A. An app very similar to ClockWork recovery exists for defy. It is till now the only one I know. I'm not sure it's on market however is available in this forum. Note that this app can not replace stock recovery.
Q. does the locked bootloader mean we can't change the kernel? we can install custom roms through nandriod backup but we still have to stick to stock kernels?
A. I think you are right. We are limited to stock kernels.
Q. is there an official froyo stock rom already out? or are they just froyo leaks? also, are all the froyo custom roms based on stock froyo base?
A. The only official froyo I know it is the china version. However the recently leaks of some development stage froyos for US TMobile and UK are pretty stable and ok. There are custom Roms (Nandroid backups in fact) based on these leaks but not only. There are older custom roms based on official Eclair releases.
Q. what does vsel mean? i know its an important setting for overclocking/underclocking the defy
A. VSel comes from Voltage Select. There are ways (even an app) to set the voltage for the processor when it is in any of the states (300 / 600 / 800 MHz by default).
Q. what does sbf mean? is it similar to radio?
A. Have no ideea what sbf stands for but it's a format for things that can be flashed via RSDLite. I have a feeling that RUU updates from motorola are in fact an exe + a sbf file. There are lots lots of things available as sbf files: Full firmwares, Bootloaders, some fixes.
Q. rdslite is like ruu (flashing software/tool) that comes with the defy?
A. I think so. I think RSD Lite is a tool made available by motorola for the developers and stuff.
I recommend this phone. I came to this one from HTC Legend that had all the thingies unlocked (S-Off etc) but I do not miss them. Indeed without a custom bootloade chances to see Cyanogen Mod or others are indeed low. I hope I was able to help a little.

thanks a lot mcm_xyz, you confirmed a lot of stuff for me. from just what i read it looks like defy would be the perfect phone if not for the locked bootloader... can you list what is possible and impossible with the locked bootloader? does it mean we have to wait for official support/release either from motorola or cyanogen or other devs to get a hold of different types of roms?

terenceleechan said:
thanks a lot mcm_xyz, you confirmed a lot of stuff for me. from just what i read it looks like defy would be the perfect phone if not for the locked bootloader... can you list what is possible and impossible with the locked bootloader? does it mean we have to wait for official support/release either from motorola or cyanogen or other devs to get a hold of different types of roms?
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I think this is how it's done by the majority of the cooks nowadays. They get an existing working rom and they build aroud the existing kernel in there. However I think Cyanogen is way higher and they build everything themselves. I think they have a core and different branches for different types of phones that include mainly hardware specifics of the phone. But they are based on their custom kernel so no Cyanogen for us at least yet. but do not worry. steps are beeing done towards an unlocked bootloader on Motorola phones.

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I think this is how it's done by the majority of the cooks nowadays. They get an existing working rom and they build aroud the existing kernel in there. However I think Cyanogen is way higher and they build everything themselves. I think they have a core and different branches for different types of phones that include mainly hardware specifics of the phone. But they are based on their custom kernel so no Cyanogen for us at least yet. but do not worry. steps are beeing done towards an unlocked bootloader on Motorola phones.
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thanks for your input dude!

[Q] Blurless 2.1 or 2.2 rom for Defy?

Hello,
I know there are several threads about this already, but none of them tells me which rom for the Defy is the closest to a stock (non-Motorola) 2.1 or 2.2 Android. Thanks.

Basically, blurless means non blur and you can't really compare two things which are basically the same. Blurless means you won't have ANY blur app in your phone which basically eats up the memory and cpu although some are necessary for sync and all that.
If you're talking about whether to choose 2.1 or 2.2, i would suggest 2.2 because although i was disappointed by it, you still have some nice applications for 2.2 such as full flash player support and some apps require at least 2.2 so yea...have fun playing around with roms !
cheers,

Sorry for late reply.
Yes, I'm aware of what "blurless" means or I wouldn't have used it. I was trying to find out what Defy rom is available that is closest to a 2.2 or 2.1 stock Android ROM (ergo, without Motoblur). All I want is a standard Android rom—preferably 2.2—without all the Blur crap, or the closest possible to it that I can get. Thanks.

The leaked Nordic sbf 3.4.2_177 is a blurless Motorola ROM & is a 2.2.2 - I've been using this myself for a week or so & it's a good slick ROM. Prior to this I wasusing the leaked UK 2.2 ROM 3.4.3-11 which is a Blur ROM - The Nordic is my preference.
If it's custom ROMs you are after then in the Defy Dev Forum there's a few based on the Nordic & the ROM by ephumeris (EphuNord ROM) sounds good.
Hope that helps & that I've understood what you wanted

My EphuNord is basically stock Nordic Deblur rom. I've just made adjustments to make it easier to theme and modify. I think ive provided around 8 framework themes so far. A mod for stock lock screen. More optional extras to come soon too.
Sent from my Defy on CM7.

Alright, that sounds good. I'll try it out, thanks.

[Q] Assitance very much appreciated.

Hi.
As much as I really like the xda forums, I am having real trouble searching for my answer. Maybe I am thinking illogically!
I am in U.K. on Vodafone.
My CID is VODAP001
Android version 4.0.4
HTC Sense version 4.1
I have installed Android Revolution HD 9.4.1
If relevant, my HTC SDK API level is 4.23
In a nutshell, I am hoping to install JB update - either the official Vodafone one, or possibly Revolution (if I can figure out if that is fully functional for my device).
I hoped that Vodafone would have released the OTA update before now. But I don't know if my install of Revo is stopping my device from automatically looking for updates.
I thought I would be able to go to settings/about/software and search for updates, but that option doesn't seem to be available (is Revolution switching this feature off?)
So:
Is it worth me trying to roll back to stock, and manually check for updates periodically?
(If so, please could someone point me to a recent no brainer post on how to do this?)
Or:
Does the latest JB release of Revolution work with my model/network?
(If so, do I need to roll back to stock and start from scratch, or can I "update" my current version.
Whilst I am not totally noob to all this, I do find it slightly daunting, and I can't always tell which threads are the most relevant or up to date, so please excuse me if my questions are obvious to you. I just find that after a while on XDA I have loads of tabs and it all gets a bit backwardy and forwardy!
Many thanks in advance.

Breaders said:
Hi.
As much as I really like the xda forums, I am having real trouble searching for my answer. Maybe I am thinking illogically!
I am in U.K. on Vodafone.
My CID is VODAP001
Android version 4.0.4
HTC Sense version 4.1
I have installed Android Revolution HD 9.4.1
If relevant, my HTC SDK API level is 4.23
In a nutshell, I am hoping to install JB update - either the official Vodafone one, or possibly Revolution (if I can figure out if that is fully functional for my device).
I hoped that Vodafone would have released the OTA update before now. But I don't know if my install of Revo is stopping my device from automatically looking for updates.
I thought I would be able to go to settings/about/software and search for updates, but that option doesn't seem to be available (is Revolution switching this feature off?)
So:
Is it worth me trying to roll back to stock, and manually check for updates periodically?
(If so, please could someone point me to a recent no brainer post on how to do this?)
Or:
Does the latest JB release of Revolution work with my model/network?
(If so, do I need to roll back to stock and start from scratch, or can I "update" my current version.
Whilst I am not totally noob to all this, I do find it slightly daunting, and I can't always tell which threads are the most relevant or up to date, so please excuse me if my questions are obvious to you. I just find that after a while on XDA I have loads of tabs and it all gets a bit backwardy and forwardy!
Many thanks in advance.
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Hi,
Your CID has not yet received the official HTC jellybean update. This means that you will NOT be able to get an update from vodafone and also you wont be able to flash Android revollution HD 17.0 (Jellybean).
You will have to wait for HTC to roll out the official JB update for your device.
And none of the custom ROMS (including ARHD 17.0) support OTA update feature. You can update your device OTA ONLY and ONLY if you are on stock ROM, stock recovery and stock kernel.

anks257 said:
Hi,
Your CID has not yet received the official HTC jellybean update. This means that you will NOT be able to get an update from vodafone and also you wont be able to flash Android revollution HD 17.0 (Jellybean).
You will have to wait for HTC to roll out the official JB update for your device.
And none of the custom ROMS (including ARHD 17.0) support OTA update feature. You can update your device OTA ONLY and ONLY if you are on stock ROM, stock recovery and stock kernel.
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You can update your device OTA ONLY and ONLY if you are on stock ROM, stock recovery and stock kernel.
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Unless it's a future Revolution (or similar) release?

Breaders said:
Unless it's a future Revolution (or similar) release?
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There are custom ROMs that support OTA, but ARHD is not one.