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Once the Thunderbolt comes out are we still gonna get luvin from the devs??

I rooted my phone a few months back and now I seem to flash a new rom every day. I was just wondering since the new hotness, HTC Thunderbolt, is coming out in a few months, will the devs continue to support the Dinc??
I had a DX and swapped it for a Dinc specifically because there is much more dev support.
Thanks!

I don't think you have anything to worry about for a while. I believe the higher cost of 4g service will possibly delay the move of some people to a 4g device.
I'm excited about the first thing to come and that being the porting of the thunderbolt rom and it's Sense 2.0 to devices like the DInc. I would have to imagine that with the dump of the Thunderbolt being dropped a few days ago that it is already going on behind the scenes. I am a Virtuous user myself and I remember RMK stating that his next big change would be when such a rom dropped, so that he could incorporate the new sense.

If the iPhone comes to Verizon, I won't be here much longer... lol

There will still be plenty of action, there are still plenty of new builds for the Eris.
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IISiDeK1CKII said:
If the iPhone comes to Verizon, I won't be here much longer... lol
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It's coming
I hate apple, make them go away
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I had an iPhone for 2 years and then I went to college and AT&T doesn't even have 3G here... I switched to Verizon but I've always loved the iPhone. My incredible does an ok job to sate me, but it's definitely not an iPhone 4 (so sexy...)

If you enjoy this modding stuff, say goodbye. You will be bored.
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In regards to the iPhone, I came from one to the DInc also. Mine was even JB 'n but the DInc is a much better phone if u want themes, or even just plain options.
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Iphone.....what a troll.....im gonna buy one. Blend it. And keep using my dinc or x or whatever phone I have activated that day
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i'm just looking out for the droid bionic

I'm a troll? Are you retarded? I love my Droid Incredible, but I like the apple eco-system, and I am not a huge themer/modder.
So... Shut the hell up.

mpetruzz said:
I rooted my phone a few months back and now I seem to flash a new rom every day. I was just wondering since the new hotness, HTC Thunderbolt, is coming out in a few months, will the devs continue to support the Dinc??
I had a DX and swapped it for a Dinc specifically because there is much more dev support.
Thanks!
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The G1/Dream came out 28 months ago and it's still being supported by developers--even though it's been superseded in every possible way by almost every Android device that's come out after it.
That said, as long as the Evo is supported and/or Koush has a DInc, there will plenty of cross-flashing material for us anyhow--I wouldn't worry about it!

rynosaur said:
as long as the Evo is supported and/or Koush has a DInc
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Koush no longer has a DInc. CM has new maintainers for us, slayher and CUViper.

I'm happy with my Incredible and it will stay in the family - I'll let my wife and daughter duke it out and winner takes it <grin>. The Incredible is a very capable smartphone and it will be that way for a while. I have faith that the devs will do what they can to support it.
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I'm not really a dev but i'm a theme designer i guess that wouldn't fall under dev lol
anyway, i'll be making themes for both devices (as seen in my sig)
not to mention since skin.apk's would be compatible with both devices thanks to the new Sense 2.0 it will make them universal across all Z/HD/ThunderBolt ROM's

Where next?

I'm in a quandary and I wanted to find out where people are going after the Desire. For me it is pretty much the perfect phone, this is down to build quality and developer support.
I don't know if i can move to a phone that doesn't have as much support, what will i do without all my flashing?!
Anyway, the SGSII is plastic and the Sensation isn't perfect by any stretch of the imagination (it isn't the 'new Desire' in terms of changing the game).
What are others upgrading to? I've got 6 months on my contract, do i buy myself out and upgrade or wait it out?
All thoughts very welcome!

Now that the bootloader is unlocked im going with the sensation but a lot of people seem to be going with the galaxy s II

i would wait to see what the nexus 3 will be like, it is coming out with ice cream sandwhich and is proberly going to have a tegra 3 processor and google phones always have loads of development.

theyau said:
i would wait to see what the nexus 3 will be like, it is coming out with ice cream sandwhich and is proberly going to have a tegra 3 processor and google phones always have loads of development.
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What's the lead time on that? Are we expecting it this year? That will also depend on manufacturer for me too... can't deal with plastic phones!

This might be some sort of sacrilege but I would to see an Android device with the same design ethos as the iPhone 4.
HTC Sensation looks closest but I'm done with Sense.
Galaxy S2 would edge it for me at the moment though.
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Maix27 said:
What's the lead time on that? Are we expecting it this year? That will also depend on manufacturer for me too... can't deal with plastic phones!
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it is expected in time for xmas or in january it is also going to be made by htc or lg, google hasn't desided yet

A friend of mine has the HTC Incredible S and it's really nice, the only problem is, it still has the locked bootloader and I'm not sure how easy rooting it would be.

FlareHeart said:
A friend of mine has the HTC Incredible S and it's really nice, the only problem is, it still has the locked bootloader and I'm not sure how easy rooting it would be.
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With locked bootloader it is practical impossible to install a custom rom.
Maix27 said:
Where next?
I'm in a quandary and I wanted to find out where people are going after the Desire. For me it is pretty much the perfect phone, this is down to build quality and developer support.
I don't know if i can move to a phone that doesn't have as much support, what will i do without all my flashing?!
Anyway, the SGSII is plastic and the Sensation isn't perfect by any stretch of the imagination (it isn't the 'new Desire' in terms of changing the game).
What are others upgrading to? I've got 6 months on my contract, do i buy myself out and upgrade or wait it out?
All thoughts very welcome!
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Although you do not want it, a very good review of sgsII:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/28/samsung-galaxy-s-ii-review/
The lg optimus speed p990 seems to be good, too.
If i were you, i would buy the sgsII or wait until the next htc-phone with as of now again unlocked bootloader releases and buy this one.

ICS update up in the air now?

Droid-Life just posted some new dates for the expected Ice Cream Sandwich update. Apparently HTC is now listing the DINC2 as being "To be determined (by the end of August). This doesn't sound very promising to me anymore. Not sure what may have changed but obviously something has.
http://www.droid-life.com/2012/05/2...lt-in-july-august-incredible-2-up-in-the-air/
http://www.htc.com/www/help/android4faq/?cid=android4blog
Hopefully, the devs can figure out things even if this does not drop for us.

thats troubling...but given that it was previously promised and that all the sister/cousin phones (including the tbolt which was released earlier) are getting it, id say its still coming
(why even update the rhyme? no one got it, and the women that did dont care about gb/ics/whatever)
lame
although another take could be, its getting the update...but time frame is "tbd" but will be by the end of august regardless

nitsuj17 said:
although another take could be, its getting the update...but time frame is "tbd" but will be by the end of august regardless
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I think this is correct.

nitsuj17 said:
thats troubling...but given that it was previously promised and that all the sister/cousin phones (including the tbolt which was released earlier) are getting it, id say its still coming
(why even update the rhyme? no one got it, and the women that did dont care about gb/ics/whatever)
lame
although another take could be, its getting the update...but time frame is "tbd" but will be by the end of august regardless
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One can hope that is for sure. However, with Verizon nothing surprises me as they like to cancel things at the last moment up to and including whole phones.

Yeah, the Thunderbolt and the Evo Design 4G both have our exact same chipset, so I don't see why it wouldn't be around June or so (once again, barring VZW's inane approval process).
EDIT: I think this is causing an unnecessary freakout. It's the Schedule that is TBD, not the update itself.
The majority of devices will receive upgrades in June and July 2012 and we expect to finish upgrades in August 2012 for all announced devices.
Our device has been announced by HTC and VZW as getting the upgrade. I'm willing to bet it's >90% done already by HTC, it's just a matter of when at this point.
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Eh... not too worried. We will get it when we get it.

For the benefit of those in here, I am quoting my post from the OpenSense ROM thread:
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i posted in the thread in general....
my best guess is that "tbd" refers to when they actually will release, but "by the end of august" is the latest they will release it
wouldnt make sense to not release an update for a semi popular phone (or at least 10x popular as the rhyme) that is running the same chipset as so many of the other phones on that list
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PLUS, and a huge plus, they said they will update it. I believe they should and would realize what a faux pas it will be if they now come out and say, you know what "We ain't gonna release it".
Plus, after scrutinizing the language used in the following sentences:
When will my device get the Android 4.0 upgrade?
The target timeline for announced devices is below. Because of partner and network testing, and approval processes for device updates, it can take up to 45 days for all carriers and countries to get the update after a rollout has begun.
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It sounds to me that they are going to release ICS for the Dinc2. It is on the list of devices with a schedule of release dates... PLUS, a FAQ below says this:
What devices will not get Android 4.0?
We work hard to ensure each of our products has the optimal user experience and therefore some products will remain at their current version of Android. In general, devices with 512MB ROM or less will not be upgraded to Android 4.0. These devices include the HTC ChaCha, HTC Salsa, HTC Wildfire S, HTC Explorer, and others.
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Now, tell me how can you even think that the Dinc2 is not getting ICS when, (a) it is in the list of devices scheduled to get ICS some time back, (b) it is in the table of devices getting ICS and the corresponding timelines and (c) it is NOT in the list of devices specifically mentioned as not getting ICS?
So, verdict: Chill out man! Our phone is gonna get some ICS love!
Captain Obvious, over and out.
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Not double posting. Just letting people get the relevant info as they probably wouldn't have expected the info to be in that other thread. Lemme know if I did something wrong! (hope not)

Verizon has a way of disappointing customers with last second decisions. I have been a customer of Verizon for over a decade so I have an idea of what I am talking about.
Of course, I hope for the best but they have a distinct way of stating things so that it can be left open for doubt. As the date for the release indicates. All other devices got a, very rare, 2 month expected date. Ours didn't. Which could easily lead to a "we are sorry but we have determined it would not be in our best interests to upgrade this device".

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Which could easily lead to a "we are sorry but we have determined it would not be in our best interests to upgrade this device".
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LOL! I wonder if they say "in our best interest"... That sounds like they are admitting that doing so will effect their profit margins
EDIT: Why would updating Rhyme make more sense than Dinc2. And why is it of higher priority than Dinc2 that it gets a more solid time frame???
EDIT 2: There is no way in hell they can pull off or even ATTEMPT to suggest that "sorry, we plan not to update the Dinc2. It is not capable of running ICS". Why? The Droid Incredible S is getting it in June/July!!! It is the same phone! With same processor, RAM, ROM etc. Probably a different radio (GSM versus CDMA).. So, I feel we better calm down and wait to see if HTC releases an official statement to clarify the ruckus...

litetaker said:
LOL! I wonder if they say "in our best interest"... That sounds like they are admitting that doing so will effect their profit margins
EDIT: Why would updating Rhyme make more sense than Dinc2. And why is it of higher priority than Dinc2 that it gets a more solid time frame???
EDIT 2: There is no way in hell they can pull off or even ATTEMPT to suggest that "sorry, we plan not to update the Dinc2. It is not capable of running ICS". Why? The Droid Incredible S is getting it in June/July!!! It is the same phone! With same processor, RAM, ROM etc. Probably a different radio (GSM versus CDMA).. So, I feel we better calm down and wait to see if HTC releases an official statement to clarify the ruckus...
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You obviously don't understand Verizon. Please notice I did not say HTC. HTC is not the deciding factor here, Verizon is.

blazingwolf said:
You obviously don't understand Verizon. Please notice I did not say HTC. HTC is not the deciding factor here, Verizon is.
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Well, that much is true, since I have been on Verizon for less than a year. Anyway, I am no dev, but it stands to reason that Kernels written for the IncS will (at least partly) work for Inc2. Excepting code meant for Radio etc., the rest of it should work for Inc2 as they are basically having the same hardware, right??
If so, and if Verizon screws me over (again, first DX2 and now this) then experienced devs may be able to pull code necessary for Camera from the Inc S's kernel and incorporate it into ours. Problem solved.

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EDIT 2: There is no way in hell they can pull off or even ATTEMPT to suggest that "sorry, we plan not to update the Dinc2. It is not capable of running ICS". Why? The Droid Incredible S is getting it in June/July!!! It is the same phone! With same processor, RAM, ROM etc. Probably a different radio (GSM versus CDMA).. So, I feel we better calm down and wait to see if HTC releases an official statement to clarify the ruckus...
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Adding to that, most of us here are already running ICS without their official update lol...
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litetaker said:
Well, that much is true, since I have been on Verizon for less than a year. Anyway, I am no dev, but it stands to reason that Kernels written for the IncS will (at least partly) work for Inc2. Excepting code meant for Radio etc., the rest of it should work for Inc2 as they are basically having the same hardware, right??
If so, and if Verizon screws me over (again, first DX2 and now this) then experienced devs may be able to pull code necessary for Camera from the Inc S's kernel and incorporate it into ours. Problem solved.
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Perhaps, but take the time to read the threads and you will notice that all devs say they need source code to do it right. Notice they have not said the source code for the IncS.
Anyways, I'm not going to debate it with you anymore. Only time will tell if we get an actual ICS release or not.

prototype7 said:
Adding to that, most of us here are already running ICS without their official update lol...
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That has never been in question as that is usually the only way some devices get updates. However, a released stock ROM will always help make things batter.

I have been with Verizon for 10 years about now. I always loved the service but over the last 2 years they are pissing me off. First they screwed over the droidx2. Then the unlimited data is going away and now the Dinc2 might not get what was told we would get. If verizon screws us again I am leaving to another carrier no matter what. I hate verizon at this point.

Definitely getting the feeling of the Eris all over again.

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That has never been in question as that is usually the only way some devices get updates. However, a released stock ROM will always help make things batter.
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Of course, I was just supporting lite that saying our device can't run ICS is BS.
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HTC Facebook answered this for me. ICS end of August.
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I honestly don't even see the point of updating this phone in august.....
I'm definitely jumping to Galaxy S III, never liked sense and probably never will, but that's my 2 cents.

xHoLyx said:
I honestly don't even see the point of updating this phone in august.....
I'm definitely jumping to Galaxy S III, never liked sense and probably never will, but that's my 2 cents.
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Its always good to see updates for older phones....especially since going forward those of us with unlimited data (and want to keep it) can't use upgraded to get cheap phones
Sgs3 will probably fall after the cutoff, and unless I really save up won't get it....the vzw variant will most likely not be as popular as it would have been

Any reason not to get Dev edition?

Okay so I'm in love w/ my g/f's M. Giving up my S3 to come back to the Moto side of things. With that said, I want to get a dev edition.
I'm very familiar with Hash, P3, Dhacker etc being an old Razr owner. With that said not sure if the $200 price difference (ebay used retail vs. new on ebay or Moto for dev edition) is worth it.
Sucks that Moto is somewhat based out of Illinois as to buy the dev edition from their site I would have to pay $77 in taxes...
So I found a couple dev editions on Ebay for $579.
What are your thoughts. I normally stick to AOSP roms, although the new JB OTA is pretty good from Moto after installing on my g/f's M.
The one thing I can't help but notice is the slight lag, which feels like taking a step back from the S3. Chalk it up to the extra gig of RAM I suppose on the S3. Thus, brings me to my main reason of wanting a developer edition. Kernels and OC'ing.
What say you XDA'ers?

The Razr M (Not Droid) - model XT905 - the Aussie Retail Razr M is unlockable just like the Dev Edition Droid Razr M. So for us over here in Oz this is a great thing, but if you need CDMA then maybe not so much. It's a great phone, though.

pjcons said:
The Razr M (Not Droid) - model XT905 - the Aussie Retail Razr M is unlockable just like the Dev Edition Droid Razr M. So for us over here in Oz this is a great thing, but if you need CDMA then maybe not so much. It's a great phone, though.
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Have any of you guys with the Aussie one tried out the CM10 ROM that's out for the Dev Edition?

Well I bought one brand new. It will be here tomorrow. Let the fun begin.
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got556 said:
Well I bought one brand new. It will be here tomorrow. Let the fun begin.
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Enjoy
It's a good phone and will be fun.

mattlgroff said:
Enjoy
It's a good phone and will be fun.
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Matt, where are all you guys hanging out at for this phone? AOSP.US? Noticed Droidrzr isn't active much for this phone, nor is DF. This forum doesn't have much either.

got556 said:
Matt, where are all you guys hanging out at for this phone? AOSP.US? Noticed Droidrzr isn't active much for this phone, nor is DF. This forum doesn't have much either.
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our thread isnt very active... once we start getting development, im sure this thread'll pick up

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our thread isnt very active... once we start getting development, im sure this thread'll pick up
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:good:
I'm hoping to build some kernels for this phone on the dev edition at least. I know my S3 will handle at least 2100 stable. So it shouldn't be too much of an issue with the M. And now that plenty of kernels have been put out there on the S4 processor, should be relatively painless.
W/ that said I don't know the first thing about ROM'ing. Would love to learn but working 50-60 hour weeks around inmates, I value to my time off to not stress myself over building rom's that would no doubt be buggy and then trying to troubleshoot. Who knows, maybe down the road I'll build up the courage.

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I'm hoping to build some kernels for this phone on the dev edition at least. I know my S3 will handle at least 2100 stable. So it shouldn't be too much of an issue with the M. And now that plenty of kernels have been put out there on the S4 processor, should be relatively painless.
W/ that said I don't know the first thing about ROM'ing. Would love to learn but working 50-60 hour weeks around inmates, I value to my time off to not stress myself over building rom's that would no doubt be buggy and then trying to troubleshoot. Who knows, maybe down the road I'll build up the courage.
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A kernel should be easy, if and when they release kernel source. As for roms, that's where everything will happen lol. I have a retail model, sadly but this is one beast of a device. I'm curious about the "around inmates" part of that post lol
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A kernel should be easy, if and when they release kernel source. As for roms, that's where everything will happen lol. I have a retail model, sadly but this is one beast of a device. I'm curious about the "around inmates" part of that post lol
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work for the fed bureau of prisons. I'm a CO and do a lot of transporting idiots to and from places.

need help
can someone help me get back to stock i got the files all downloaded and then i go to fastboot and the rsd lite cant find my phone in fastboot what do i do from there please help asap

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Have any of you guys with the Aussie one tried out the CM10 ROM that's out for the Dev Edition?
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I think most of us r staying away from the droid/CDMA roms
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Upgrade to a galaxy nexus?

I'm coming from an incredible 2 and was wondering if i should buy a Galaxy Nexus out right for 239$ or upgrade to a Droid DNA.
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I'm coming from an incredible 2 and was wondering if i should buy a Galaxy Nexus out right for 239$ or upgrade to a Droid DNA.
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Droid DNA all the way. I want one so bad. The question is really wether you want sense or AOSP.
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Just my opinion....go Nexus. No more waiting for mythical updates :/
I would expect the DNA to be just like the Inc2.....the best device upon release, but a year later its a forgotten device. Nexi are guaranteed 2 OS version updates.
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The thing i want the most is alot of dev support like the inc2 had but i heard that the DNA might be like the Rezound on the support end.
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The thing i want the most is alot of dev support like the inc2 had but i heard that the DNA might be like the Rezound on the support end.
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Understood, although, the Rez didn't have nitsuj17. The DNA will.
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I really want a DNA
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I'd wait and see if some devs hop on the DNA...

Well, I guess i'm gonna go with the Droid DNA, I'm sure it will have great dev support seeing that TeamandIRC has an unlock on it already
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Good pick

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I'm coming from an incredible 2 and was wondering if i should buy a Galaxy Nexus out right for 239$ or upgrade to a Droid DNA.
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The DNA has non removable battery and memory.
I need way more than the 16 gigabyte it comes with.
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The DNA has non removable battery and memory.
I need way more than the 16 gigabyte it comes with.
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Well they both don't have microSD slots so you would have to spend more for the 32gb nexus
I'm so fresh you can suck my nits...

I ended up buying a Nexus. I never have really cared about the latest or greatest spec'd phone, but updates and roms are what make a phone in my opinion. I previously had an OG droid which was awesome for that. I was kind of let down with the inc2 since I got it late in the game and most developers had jumped ship already. The Nexus has a great community behind it with fast updates. Feels like home again.

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I ended up buying a Nexus. I never have really cared about the latest or greatest spec'd phone, but updates and roms are what make a phone in my opinion. I previously had an OG droid which was awesome for that. I was kind of let down with the inc2 since I got it late in the game and most developers had jumped ship already. The Nexus has a great community behind it with fast updates. Feels like home again.
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Join the club!

I recently had a Dinc2 and bought a GNex outright for 200 new. Best decision ever.
I wont buy HTC ever again, just because they dont update phones as fast. I dont know how much longer the GNex will be supported, but at least it officially runs 4.1.1 and there is no need to hack bootloaders and such.
I also prefer AOSP and love that there is minimal bloatware on the phone.
The DNA is new which is nice, but no sd card (probably all phones will go to this setup) and no removable battery. On a 4G phone? No thanks.
Oh, and I kept my unlimited data...which I dont even use that often (maybe 1 GB) but I dont like Verizon telling me to spend more and get less.

tincbtrar said:
I recently had a Dinc2 and bought a GNex outright for 200 new. Best decision ever.
I wont buy HTC ever again, just because they dont update phones as fast. I dont know how much longer the GNex will be supported, but at least it officially runs 4.1.1 and there is no need to hack bootloaders and such.
I also prefer AOSP and love that there is minimal bloatware on the phone.
The DNA is new which is nice, but no sd card (probably all phones will go to this setup) and no removable battery. On a 4G phone? No thanks.
Oh, and I kept my unlimited data...which I dont even use that often (maybe 1 GB) but I dont like Verizon telling me to spend more and get less.
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This screams me. I just wish there was a newer phone like the Galaxy Nexus.
I could go on and on about how I feel about Android phone hardware...but that is for another place, another time.
---------- Post added at 07:45 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:40 PM ----------
(I'm not attempting in any way to hijack this thread)
A lot of people have posted their upgrade decisions with reasons in this thread.
I've started a thread over in General that is similar to this.
It can be found here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2017081
I would appreciate if you could post your upgrade decisions there.
I want to 'index', if you will, upgrades from the Incredible 2.
This may help people with their decisions.
Also, congrats to OP on his/her new phone!
Thanks,
[::AP::]

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This screams me. I just wish there was a newer phone like the Galaxy Nexus.
I could go on and on about how I feel about Android phone hardware...but that is for another place, another time.
Lol...it screams you?
Yeah, I dont even care if the device is a year old now. When I got my Inc2 after its year old date it was still...slow. Just not a sense fan, but the phone was free...so I win. lol.
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