Hi all
I just got a new HTC Desire last week and I can say that I am quite impressed with what's on it. The best smartphone I have ever owned.
Now I already had an HTC HD and I used to root the device, just to get WM 6.5 at the time.
My question is, what's the worth of rooting the device and getting a new ROM, other than the one out of the box? I am seeing some people having 7 screens instead of 5, and quite some nice apps installed. Is there any other benefits of having a custom ROM?
Is it difficult to Root the device without any problems?
Thanks for your help and time
With rooting you can get FroYo, which would be the equivelant of you rooting for win 6.5
The home screens will either be stock launcher, or a home app from the market, which are both available on 2.1
There used to be a huge problem with usb bricking, but now everything seems to be a lot easier
Hope this helps
if you dun hv an development tt benefit the community, dun ask silly qns in development thread manz!! seriously post it in general..
hey mods, suggestion!!! every sub thread like xda-developers > HTC desire > .....
instead of having > general or > Desire Android Development... can we hv another 1 by the title of > Noobs chit-chat Qns n Ans Section??
jsoneng said:
if you dun hv an development tt benefit the community, dun ask silly qns in development thread manz!! seriously post it in general..
hey mods, suggestion!!! every sub thread like xda-developers > HTC desire > .....
instead of having > general or > Desire Android Development... can we hv another 1 by the title of > Noobs chit-chat Qns n Ans Section??
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Haha, that'd be an amazing thread
jsoneng said:
if you dun hv an development tt benefit the community, dun ask silly qns in development thread manz!! seriously post it in general..
hey mods, suggestion!!! every sub thread like xda-developers > HTC desire > .....
instead of having > general or > Desire Android Development... can we hv another 1 by the title of > Noobs chit-chat Qns n Ans Section??
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I didn't really understand a word of what he said????!! Glad English is being taught well these days...
jsoneng said:
if you dun hv an development tt benefit the community, dun ask silly qns in development thread manz!! seriously post it in general..
hey mods, suggestion!!! every sub thread like xda-developers > HTC desire > .....
instead of having > general or > Desire Android Development... can we hv another 1 by the title of > Noobs chit-chat Qns n Ans Section??
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I think you should remember that everyone was once a 'Noob' as you call them.
Your post was a useless waste of space to be honest. Yes this thread should be in general, but your post simply having a go at the OP was hardly the best use of the forum and it's etiquette either.
@ the OP. If you just want 7 screens etc then you don't actually need to root. You could download a launcher from the market, such as launcherpro, or adw launcher. Most apps will work without root too.
Rooting is actually very easy to do now. Read the thread at the top of this forum. It has links to tutorials etc.
yea sorry my bad. if ya need help on root, adb.. meaning of swap etc. wad to partition etc, pm me.. I will provide u de details..
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Sent from my HTC Desire
Hey guys
Thanks for all your help.
jsoneng, as I said I am a complete newbie to these things, and maybe I am not intelligent as you are in these things, but I am a foreigner who speaks way better English than you do. If all the posts were like yours, I am sure there would be no forum here, since I am sure everybody was once were I am at the moment. I just want to learn about Android and my new Desire, and this forum is an impressive resource.
As regards to getting help from you, I doubt I would even understand your first hello, let alone to root my device!
I had 7 phones since 1999, I bought my first smartphone in 2004 (old nokia 6600 ), but I never used android phones before, and it's really complicated imo to learn how to deal with different roms, radios, debrand, root, unlock, flash, add app2sd...
so far I managed to create gold card, root phone, use fake flash and flash rooted 1.21 version. I'm still preparing mentally to add app2sd (since froyo is nowhere near ).
As for your question jmonfu, here are few advantages of rooting and custom roms:
- you could add app2sd, which allows you to store apps on sdcard, instead in phone memory. This, in my opinion, is the main disadvantage of android 2.1
- you could tweak your hardware and software settings for better performance (for example - overclock cpu, prolong battery life, free up some memory, speed up your phone etc. )
- add some apps that were unavaiable before, use your phone as an internet access point, to connect from your pc via wifi, etc.
jmonfu said:
Hey guys
Thanks for all your help.
jsoneng, as I said I am a complete newbie to these things, and maybe I am not intelligent as you are in these things, but I am a foreigner who speaks way better English than you do. If all the posts were like yours, I am sure there would be no forum here, since I am sure everybody was once were I am at the moment. I just want to learn about Android and my new Desire, and this forum is an impressive resource.
As regards to getting help from you, I doubt I would even understand your first hello, let alone to root my device!
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lmao, beautifully said!
djoni1980 said:
I had 7 phones since 1999, I bought my first smartphone in 2004 (old nokia 6600 ), but I never used android phones before, and it's really complicated imo to learn how to deal with different roms, radios, debrand, root, unlock, flash, add app2sd...
so far I managed to create gold card, root phone, use fake flash and flash rooted 1.21 version. I'm still preparing mentally to add app2sd (since froyo is nowhere near ).
As for your question jmonfu, here are few advantages of rooting and custom roms:
- you could add app2sd, which allows you to store apps on sdcard, instead in phone memory. This, in my opinion, is the main disadvantage of android 2.1
- you could tweak your hardware and software settings for better performance (for example - overclock cpu, prolong battery life, free up some memory, speed up your phone etc. )
- add some apps that were unavaiable before, use your phone as an internet access point, to connect from your pc via wifi, etc.
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Hi djoni1980, these are the kind of answers I was looking for from this post, thanks a lot.
From all the things that you mentioned, the only thing I would admit to really need at the moment is the app2sd, because I am installing so many applications that my phone ran out of space and had to delete some stuff, which really sucks. As regards to overclocking or prolonging the battery life, yeah that would be useful too but its not a must at the moment.
I will have a read of the first post this weekend, and see if it would be worth to root a device that is 6 days old
When you say the device is 'bricked' it means that its not repairable right?
Thanks for all your help guys
Could anyone point me to the correct tutorial to root your HTC Touch Pro 2 ?
I'v been reading up on the android builds past few days. I'm totally new to this.
I got android to work with the project android build. And i want to use Whatsapp.
But it won't let me open Whatsapp. 3rd party task manager is killing it. So i guess its ATK ? But i can't just uninstall it trough settings>applications etc. Same trough android market. I read somewhere you'd have to root it then. But i don't know how. Any help would be appreciated alot !!!.
If i'm not suppose to post this, because i haven't looked or w/e, fine delete this. But i did look. And if been reading alot of topics and iv seen alot of flaming just because of asking a question. might have been a stupid one, but still, people just want some help. Why not help out ? We all start somewhere. And im starting right here. haha.
Oh and if im totally off map by saying rooting, let me know how i can get whatsapp to work. Iv seen it works for others so im just waiting to fix mine. haha.
Anyway, great job on the forum and great builds for TP2.
Peace,
from the spacestronaut.
It is already rooted. Next time spend some time reading
Spacestronaut said:
Could anyone point me to the correct tutorial to root your HTC Touch Pro 2 ?
I'v been reading up on the android builds past few days. I'm totally new to this.
I got android to work with the project android build. And i want to use Whatsapp.
But it won't let me open Whatsapp. 3rd party task manager is killing it. So i guess its ATK ? But i can't just uninstall it trough settings>applications etc. Same trough android market. I read somewhere you'd have to root it then. But i don't know how. Any help would be appreciated alot !!!.
If i'm not suppose to post this, because i haven't looked or w/e, fine delete this. But i did look. And if been reading alot of topics and iv seen alot of flaming just because of asking a question. might have been a stupid one, but still, people just want some help. Why not help out ? We all start somewhere. And im starting right here. haha.
Oh and if im totally off map by saying rooting, let me know how i can get whatsapp to work. Iv seen it works for others so im just waiting to fix mine. haha.
Anyway, great job on the forum and great builds for TP2.
Peace,
from the spacestronaut.
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well you didnt search enough nor read enough...and i started by reading and searching (only 2 posts in first year as member)
Like i said before, i did search the past few days, and i did read, but its not like theres a topic out there called "TP2 rooting". Or "how to get rid of preinstalled apps". So cool it. And help me out. That would be greatly appreciated it. i knew i shouldn't expect a mature response...
Spacestronaut said:
Like i said before, i did search the past few days, and i did read, but its not like theres a topic out there called "TP2 rooting". Or "how to get rid of preinstalled apps". So cool it. And help me out. That would be greatly appreciated it. i knew i shouldn't expect a mature response...
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Well that's the problem, XDAndroid is rooted - but don't expect every app that works on native Android phones to work on these - this isn't exactly an approved or sanctioned port.
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Well that's the problem, XDAndroid is rooted - but don't expect every app that works on native Android phones to work on these - this isn't exactly an approved or sanctioned port.
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im not using the XDandroid build, im using the project android build. And i read somewhere in order for whatsapp to be working you need to get rid of ATK by rooting your phone and then get rid of the app (ATK). So, some are saying it should be rooted. And it's not like no one is running whatsapp on a HTC android mod. it should be working. but i can't seem to get rid of ATK. iv read other could just get rid of it trough settings>applications but i can only delete the updates. Please some real anwsers instead of saying things i allready know.
Hey,
first of all welcome to the xda-developers forum...
like u and i guess everyone i hate answers like some of the ones you got..
i think a froum is made to ask questiuons however that might be about...
and it took me month back in my old htc kaiser days to get the whole android thing.
so when you want to install apps that are not from the store then u have to check one checkbox first.
ull find it under settings->applications-> and there should be a checkbox that says unsigned apps or untrusted apps...something like that.
normally this page should pop up if u click on a app that u have on the sd card...
i hope that is what u asked for...
and the phone is already rooted whatever build u are using
and if u have any questions but dont want to ask them in the forum cuz u might think that u get answers that dont suit ure question just pm me
nick
the-nj said:
Hey,
first of all welcome to the xda-developers forum...
like u and i guess everyone i hate answers like some of the ones you got..
i think a froum is made to ask questiuons however that might be about...
and it took me month back in my old htc kaiser days to get the whole android thing.
so when you want to install apps that are not from the store then u have to check one checkbox first.
ull find it under settings->applications-> and there should be a checkbox that says unsigned apps or untrusted apps...something like that.
normally this page should pop up if u click on a app that u have on the sd card...
i hope that is what u asked for...
and the phone is already rooted whatever build u are using
and if u have any questions but dont want to ask them in the forum cuz u might think that u get answers that dont suit ure question just pm me
nick
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Hi, i appreciate your response. Thanks alot.
So it's allready rooted. Ok cool. Let me explain. I want to use Whatsapp. But when i open it, i get the 3rd party task manager is blocking it. And im guessing its the ATK. but i can't get rid of it. I know how to install unsigned and untrusted apps. But now i want to get rid of it. haha. Anyway, i shoot you a message maybe tomorrow to explain more i guess. A mod can close this, as i proberly won't get a straight answers anyway.
Spacestronaut said:
im not using the XDandroid build, im using the project android build. And i read somewhere in order for whatsapp to be working you need to get rid of ATK by rooting your phone and then get rid of the app (ATK). So, some are saying it should be rooted. And it's not like no one is running whatsapp on a HTC android mod. it should be working. but i can't seem to get rid of ATK. iv read other could just get rid of it trough settings>applications but i can only delete the updates. Please some real anwsers instead of saying things i allready know.
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Do you even know what you're talking about? ATK hasn't been included in any builds for a while, and what do you mean you're not using XDAndroid you're using the "project android build" - this makes me think you have NO clue what you're talking about. Please, prove me wrong.
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Do you even know what you're talking about? ATK hasn't been included in any builds for a while, and what do you mean you're not using XDAndroid you're using the "project android build" - this makes me think you have NO clue what you're talking about. Please, prove me wrong.
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Your right, i don't know, that's why im asking... smh at the ignorance at this forum.
hey,
ok now i got what ure asking...
so then it is important what method u are using? do you have a system.ext2 file that you load with haret?
or do you have a partioned sd card with the android system on a ext2 partition.
when you have the whole system in a system.ext2 file you would need to unpack it, delete the .apk of the app, and then pack it into a .ext2 file again...
when you have the second method that just browse into the folder system/apps/ and delete the file...
that should work for every normal app but it is not easy to do it...
Spacestronaut said:
Your right, i don't know, that's why im asking... smh at the ignorance at this forum.
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Well you certainly answered my questions with a confidence only stupidity can be responsible for.
FYI, there's a difference between ignorance & stupidity. Ignorant people just don't know. Stupid people know, but are willingly ignorant. You have all the information available to, yet you insist on being ignorant.
It's OK to ask questions - but if it has been answered before, answering the same questions over and over again gets old. So some of us will respond a little less amicably than others - 9 times out of 10, this was because the OP didn't do their due diligence.
the-nj said:
hey,
ok now i got what ure asking...
so then it is important what method u are using? do you have a system.ext2 file that you load with haret?
or do you have a partioned sd card with the android system on a ext2 partition.
when you have the whole system in a system.ext2 file you would need to unpack it, delete the .apk of the app, and then pack it into a .ext2 file again...
when you have the second method that just browse into the folder system/apps/ and delete the file...
that should work for every normal app but it is not easy to do it...
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I just sent you a pm. i don't load anything, i start winmo, open up, project android, hit boot, android starts... that's all i do. i don't have a system.ext2 file on my sd. if this method is "wrong" or dated, let me know where to get the newest build. seems like that is the problem ?
hm...so you have to have some files that are behind that...
and i would think that you have a system.ext2 file somewhere...
should be in the andboot folder on your sd card.
but in builds that are used now here that task manager you want to get rid of isnt used anymore...so i would suggest just try the xdandroid build and kernels or the neopeek version which is very fast and you have all files on a spare partition on your sd card.
if you want to get started with the neopeek build just check neopeek.com and then the forum. there are all the build he has developed and instructions how to install. if u have any questions about that just let me know...
i guess art your point it would be the easiest to switch to another build
nick
arrrghhh said:
Well you certainly answered my questions with a confidence only stupidity can be responsible for.
FYI, there's a difference between ignorance & stupidity. Ignorant people just don't know. Stupid people know, but are willingly ignorant. You have all the information available to, yet you insist on being ignorant.
It's OK to ask questions - but if it has been answered before, answering the same questions over and over again gets old. So some of us will respond a little less amicably than others - 9 times out of 10, this was because the OP didn't do their due diligence.
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Listen, i understand your point of view. Iv been reading up on alot of threads in the Touch Pro 2 section. And i saw alot of normal questions being asked. And there was alot of flaming just because of those questions. That's disrespect in my opinion. Because you guys now, just point a newb to the right place. I mean it's not that hard... or is it ? Believe i do understand it though. But it doesnt hurt to be a bit more helpfull. Im willing to learn. I signed up because i wanted to participate and learn. That might not have been in my OP but im sure you understand by now, i do want to learn. And to be honest, alot of those frequently asked questions aren't in the provided tutorials or aren't easy findable. Wich makes it totally legit to ask a question. Forgive me for not reading 1000 pages of a thread. I only wanted a quick response to my question. A url to the right place to continue to search for a fix. and to learn. not to piss you guys off. Because it's allready been done about a million times. Again, i do understand your attitude, but give a new guy a chance to learn.
the-nj said:
hm...so you have to have some files that are behind that...
and i would think that you have a system.ext2 file somewhere...
should be in the andboot folder on your sd card.
but in builds that are used now here that task manager you want to get rid of isnt used anymore...so i would suggest just try the xdandroid build and kernels or the neopeek version which is very fast and you have all files on a spare partition on your sd card.
if you want to get started with the neopeek build just check neopeek.com and then the forum. there are all the build he has developed and instructions how to install. if u have any questions about that just let me know...
i guess art your point it would be the easiest to switch to another build
nick
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Thanks nick, you the man
I guess if your whole issue is ATK, then just use a newer build. I don't think ATK has been included in any of the 2.2 builds, but it hasn't been in a build for a while. So I'm guessing your build is old if you still have ATK on there.
Spacestronaut said:
Listen, i understand your point of view. Iv been reading up on alot of threads in the Touch Pro 2 section. And i saw alot of normal questions being asked. And there was alot of flaming just because of those questions. That's disrespect in my opinion. Because you guys now, just point a newb to the right place. I mean it's not that hard... or is it ? Believe i do understand it though. But it doesnt hurt to be a bit more helpfull. Im willing to learn. I signed up because i wanted to participate and learn. That might not have been in my OP but im sure you understand by now, i do want to learn. And to be honest, alot of those frequently asked questions aren't in the provided tutorials or aren't easy findable. Wich makes it totally legit to ask a question. Forgive me for not reading 1000 pages of a thread. I only wanted a quick response to my question. A url to the right place to continue to search for a fix. and to learn. not to piss you guys off. Because it's allready been done about a million times. Again, i do understand your attitude, but give a new guy a chance to learn.
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its a double-edged sword this kinda thing, because its easy for both sides it is just tedious and requires an abnormal amount of patience which some of us (like myself) have little of to begin with
also there are times, like this, that a noob cant simply be pointed in the right direction
all that said i agree with nick, just use xdandroid for tp2 especially since that is what the people around here are most accustomed to
So I am new with the Android world.
I got Blazn up and running, but that's all where I am at lol.
So i see all those extra information that I am not knowledgeable about (not ignorant so people don't start flaming) , so I am going to call myself a NOOB when it comes to Android and learning bit by bit everyday.
So long story short, You guys got WhatsApp up and running properly?
Because I heard back in the 2.1 eclair , WhatsApp was not working correctly.
If working, what alterations have you guys done to make it run (if any needed).
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So I am new with the Android world.
I got Blazn up and running, but that's all where I am at lol.
So i see all those extra information that I am not knowledgeable about (not ignorant so people don't start flaming) , so I am going to call myself a NOOB when it comes to Android and learning bit by bit everyday.
So long story short, You guys got WhatsApp up and running properly?
Because I heard back in the 2.1 eclair , WhatsApp was not working correctly.
If working, what alterations have you guys done to make it run (if any needed).
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Ok, after a quick google search I see what it is... why not just use Google Voice? Seems like a much better alternative IMHO.
I know, I know, I know...
I am a member of a few different forums for other things and there is always a neb that comes on and asks a question that has been beat to death.
I have heard that God kills a kitten ever time someone post a thread before doing a search on what you are trying to get answered. So for my sake, God's sake and that poor kitten sake, I did read through a lot of post before I had the sack to post this question
I am posting this question because there seems to be a lot of different answers to a lot of different questions, so, I was hoping for very direct answers to these questions that I know have been asked plenty of times...
Here it goes...
I have purchased the HTE EVO w/ android 2.2 and I have had it for about 2 weeks.
I want to root my phone, which is my first ever smart phone.
This is what I would like to happen...
1) I want to be able to have the restore point so that I can flash my phone back to stock so that if something happens the warranty will still be good.
* Does this save on my home pc or sdcard? Or Both?
I have read that you need to download here not there(ruu...clockworks/rom manager)...no here not there...If you download anything but this you will not be able to get it back to the stock setting and Sprint will know you have rooted the phone...The whole thing started to get a little confusing.
I am a very simple person so I am hoping for a very simple answer, if there is one.
1) How do I root my HTC EVO that has the android 2.2?
2) How do I make sure that I can have a recovery point incase I mess it up (brick, etc...)
3) How do I make sure that I can flash my phone back to the original settings just incase I have to send it in to be fixed for some reason, which rom manager lets me do this?
4) Is it legal to do this?
5) What might be the biggest no-no to do before, during and after you root your phone?
Thank you in advance for taking the time to read this.
MOD Edit:
Moved to Evo 4 Area
Cheers,
M_T_M
PS: The kitten does not suffer though