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Hi all,
I am puzzled by my problem. I am using Virtuous 2.7 + King's BFS kernel #4.
My phone battery will drop quickly from 100% to 92% right after unplugged from the power cord. By quickly, I meant I did not use the phone, killed all tasks, and battery will drop to 92% literally in minutes.
Bump charging, wiping battery stats, wiping dalvik cache, killing all tasks are not helping at all. I don't have SetCPU, but someone in the forum mentioned they have SetCPU, and it is not helping either.
Is anyone having this problem? Does anyone have any idea on how to solve this?
Please help.
Thank you!!!
chillmeow said:
Hi all,
I am puzzled by my problem. I am using Virtuous 2.7 + King's BFS kernel #4.
My phone battery will drop quickly from 100% to 92% right after unplugged from the power cord. By quickly, I meant I did not use the phone, killed all tasks, and battery will drop to 92% literally in minutes.
Bump charging, wiping battery stats, wiping dalvik cache, killing all tasks are not helping at all. I don't have SetCPU, but someone in the forum mentioned they have SetCPU, and it is not helping either.
Is anyone having this problem? Does anyone have any idea on how to solve this?
Please help.
Thank you!!!
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I spoke to RMK as well as others about this in IRC, doesn't look like anything we can do, deep in the HTC code I guess.
I have the same issue using SkyRaider 3.1. Battery is 100% then after 5-10 minutes drops down to low 90s. It bothered me at first but after several days of moderate to heavy use and still having almost 50% battery left at the end of the day, I just figured it was some kind of bug when reading the battery level at the beginning. How is your battery life overall? If it's like mine, then i wouldn't worry too much about it as long as it's lasting longer. I'm using the 1750mAh battery from Sedio.
I was having the exact same problems until I went back to stock everything and bump charged. Took the OTA for 2.2, rooted, custom recovery, bump charged, wiped stats and cache and now I'm good to go. I usually dont think crap like this works but it made a huge difference in battery life and stopped the 100-90% problems I was having.
KB
I found this on EVO forum, but I don't know how his solution works. I personally don't think this would be the solution.
http://ip208-100-42-21.static.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=704272
I am using the 1500 mAh battery.
My battery life is uptime around 24 hours and awake time around 6-9 hours depending on usage.
so you're not having the issue anymore, after going back to stock (non rooted) with the official OTA 2.2?
KB Smoka said:
I was having the exact same problems until I went back to stock everything and bump charged. Took the OTA for 2.2, rooted, custom recovery, bump charged, wiped stats and cache and now I'm good to go. I usually dont think crap like this works but it made a huge difference in battery life and stopped the 100-90% problems I was having.
KB
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KB Smoka, so you don't have this problem anymore?
Do you think format the phone and wipe all the data will help?
Have anyone tried formating the phone?
I've searched and found that the cause is the phone saying the battery is charged fully when its not basically so to fix this after it goes to 100% while the phone is one then u should turn it off and let it charge fully from there
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superchilpil said:
I've searched and found that the cause is the phone saying the battery is charged fully when its not basically so to fix this after it goes to 100% while the phone is one then u should turn it off and let it charge fully from there
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I did bump charge this phone, but it still drops like crazy.
I'll try this out tonight.
Thanks!
Is this a once time fix thing or do you have to do it every time you charge?
bump charging 4 or 5 times in a row (basically bump as many times as you need to to get it to where the light turns green withing a minute of 2 or plugging it in again) and then wiping battery stats solved this for me... kinda.. i still have to bump twice, but after that it'll stay at 100 for a good while and work it's way down normally, no jumping 10% down..
superchilpil said:
I've searched and found that the cause is the phone saying the battery is charged fully when its not basically so to fix this after it goes to 100% while the phone is one then u should turn it off and let it charge fully from there
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That is bump charging. Something htc is unable or unwilling to fix.
The issue has been known for a while and you have to 'bump charge' every time to avoid the 5-10% drop.
Here's their response about fixing the "bump charge".
"Dear **********,
I understand you would like to know if an update has be released to help get a full charge on your battery without having to bump charge it. At this time we have no information about any updates being released to help resolve this issue on your device. If an update is released for your device you will receive a notification on your device that an update is available.
To send a reply to this message or let me know I have successfully answered your question log in to our ContactUs site using your email address and your ticket number ************.
Sincerely,
Victor
HTC"
melophat said:
bump charging 4 or 5 times in a row (basically bump as many times as you need to to get it to where the light turns green withing a minute of 2 or plugging it in again) and then wiping battery stats solved this for me... kinda.. i still have to bump twice, but after that it'll stay at 100 for a good while and work it's way down normally, no jumping 10% down..
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Do you bump charge every single time you charge right now? It's pain in the butt if I have to bump charge everyday.
Yup every day. 4 or 5 times is way overkill though. Just charge phone until green, turn off (don't need to unplug), wait until it turns green then do the plug/unplug one more time.
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so you're not having the issue anymore, after going back to stock (non rooted) with the official OTA 2.2?
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Went to stock (official OTA), rooted, custom recovery, bump charged, reset stats and cache and I'm good now.
I charged it to "full" while it was powered on. Once the light turned green I turned the phone off, charged again until the light turned green. Took about 25 minutes. Powered up in recovery wiped battery and cache and now I'm good. The key is after doing all this you have to let the phone completely die.
If you're wiping your battery stats after a bump charge, you will have this problem every time you don't bump charge.
If you wipe your battery stats after it goes green without a bump charge, you won't have this problem.
This is because the software thinks the bump charged battery levels equal 100% charge. A bump charge adds approximately 10 percent of charge.
Formatting your phone or any software changes won't actually do anything other than wipe your battery stats while your phone is not at bump charge levels.
vantagejuan said:
If you're wiping your battery stats after a bump charge, you will have this problem every time you don't bump charge.
If you wipe your battery stats after it goes green without a bump charge, you won't have this problem.
This is because the software thinks the bump charged battery levels equal 100% charge. A bump charge adds approximately 10 percent of charge.
Formatting your phone or any software changes won't actually do anything other than wipe your battery stats while your phone is not at bump charge levels.
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I'll try this instead! I don't want to bump charge everyday! It's too troublesome.
chillmeow said:
Hi all,
I am puzzled by my problem. I am using Virtuous 2.7 + King's BFS kernel #4.
My phone battery will drop quickly from 100% to 92% right after unplugged from the power cord. By quickly, I meant I did not use the phone, killed all tasks, and battery will drop to 92% literally in minutes.
Bump charging, wiping battery stats, wiping dalvik cache, killing all tasks are not helping at all. I don't have SetCPU, but someone in the forum mentioned they have SetCPU, and it is not helping either.
Is anyone having this problem? Does anyone have any idea on how to solve this?
Please help.
Thank you!!!
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The reason this happens is because the battery gets charged fully to 100%, and then is allowed to slowly drain back to 90% (or so) before it's charged back to 100% again. This is how Lithium batteries are charged.
Try this: charge the battery to 100%, and immediately disconnect it after it's full. Notice how the battery doesn't drop to the low 90's immediately.
The reason "bump charging" appears to work is because there is no drain on the battery, since the phone is off. It goes to 100% and stops.
There's nothing we can do code-wise to fix this; it's just how the battery technology works. Keeping it fully charged at 100% while on would damage the charging capacity of our phones.
Btw.. wrong forum.
Solutions in search of a problem
Let me preface this by saying that I’m not an electrical engineer, or any sort of expert on phone hardware, but I think a couple issues are being confused. I’ve seen many posts about this battery “problem” here and elsewhere and an important point is being missed. People are confusing what the battery is actually doing with what the phone SAYS the battery is doing. They are NOT the same thing. The battery is a physical device and it will do what it’s going to do.
Battery life is a function of battery quality, initial state of charge, and demand. If you want the battery to last longer, look at ways of reducing demand. What applications are in use? How long is the screen on? What brightness level? Overclocking and undervolting settings? All these will affect ACTUAL battery life.
At lot of the “solutions” discussed have nothing to do with conserving energy use, but have everything to do with messing with how the phone REPORTS the state of charge. A good example is the issue of the initial drop reported by many users during the first few minutes after unplugging the charger. I see this on my own phone. If the phone is “taught” that 100% charge is when it is totally crammed with juice and plugged in as well, it’s not surprising that there is a good bit of voltage drop (+/- 10%?) right after unplugging. Does this mean there is a problem? NO! It’s just the battery doing what batteries do. A lot of the suggestions about wiping battery stats and such have nothing to do with saving energy. They are ways of fiddling with how the phone REPORTS its condition under various circumstances.
My advice: if you are happy with how your battery lasts, over the course of a day or so, then learn to relax, crack open a cold brew, and revel in just what a great phone the Incredible is. If your battery isn’t lasting as long as you need it to, then look at ways to save power or get a larger capacity battery. Tweaking the battery meter function is simply a feel-good exercise and won’t get you any actual improved performance. END OF RANT.
I can confirm that my gf's phone and my good buddies phone(both were never rooted) have never had a problem with the phone charging up slow first off(both phones charge about 1% per minute). And since they accepted the OTA, have not had the problem of charging to 100% and quickly jumping down to 90%. For instance, the other day my buddy charged his phone while on to 100%, played a game for about 2 minutes and closed it, battery was at 99%. Now I have tried and continually try every possible solution to my battery dying quick and charging slow, but am realizing that this must just be the cost of customizing my phone to my liking. And at least for the moment, a stock 2.2 DINC is just not an option for me.
larsrya8 said:
The reason this happens is because the battery gets charged fully to 100%, and then is allowed to slowly drain back to 90% (or so) before it's charged back to 100% again. This is how Lithium batteries are charged.
Try this: charge the battery to 100%, and immediately disconnect it after it's full. Notice how the battery doesn't drop to the low 90's immediately.
The reason "bump charging" appears to work is because there is no drain on the battery, since the phone is off. It goes to 100% and stops.
There's nothing we can do code-wise to fix this; it's just how the battery technology works. Keeping it fully charged at 100% while on would damage the charging capacity of our phones.
Btw.. wrong forum.
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Sorry that I posted in the wrong forum. I thought this is related to the kernel or ROM I am using (Which is development right????).
Not to question your knowledge about the "battery technology", but why is it only happening to certain people? Nowadays most device are using Li-ion battery, why this phenomenon do not occur to all devices?
I have now done three cycles now drained to 1% and put on charge over night when I unplug and check the phone it says 98% and drops 2-3% within 5 mins of use. But if I plug it back in it will then go back to 100%. Anyone else?
Martinp86 said:
I have now done three cycles now drained to 1% and put on charge over night when I unplug and check the phone it says 98% and drops 2-3% within 5 mins of use. But if I plug it back in it will then go back to 100%. Anyone else?
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There have been threads about this already. Batteries, once charged fully, cannot 'keep charging', so they will stop charging until it is low enough to charge again.
This protects the battery from all sorts of nasty and evil things.
^ precisely. Batteries shouldn't be pegged at 100% and continue to be charged. The firmware lets it drain down then charge up again. You can just get 'unlucky' and unplug at a point where its discharging and at 98%.
I remember that happening with the Nexus S. I'm thinking it must be a Samsung thing. It's just one of those weird OEM things like, Motorola phones measuring the battery in 10% intervals.
All manufacturers charge their batteries this way but there are many ways to mask that process. People apparently want to see a fully charged phone when they plug it off the charger. They don't mind that their phone drops to something between 95% and 100% in a matter of minutes as long as it's "full" upon disconneting. Seems Google just displays the correct charge instead of pretending to be on 100%.
gokpog said:
All manufacturers charge their batteries this way but there are many ways to mask that process. People apparently want to see a fully charged phone when they plug it off the charger. They don't mind that their phone drops to something between 95% and 100% in a matter of minutes as long as it's "full" upon disconneting. Seems Google just displays the correct charge instead of pretending to be on 100%.
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Pretty much. The G2 with stock firmware (and from what I remember with the Evo 4G w/ stock), HTC charges to 100%, discharges back to 90%, and charges back up again. etc.. The LED charge indicator turns green at 90% (so according to them, anything about 90% is a "full charge").
You can see this in regular use. There are days where my phone sits at 100% for hours, and others where it only takes an hour to tick down do 99%, even with the same usage. Just depends what "state" the battery is at when you pull it off charge in the morning.
Thanks guys im happy if its one of those oem quirks.
Martinp86 said:
Thanks guys im happy if its one of those oem quirks.
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If by "quirks" you mean honesty then yes.
Martinp86 said:
Thanks guys im happy if its one of those oem quirks.
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Its not a quirk, they're just trying to preserve your battery health.
So, I bought another battery. Will this sort it?
Also, what's the usual procedure?
Should I charge the battery to full in the phone (turned off) then boot, set up, then charge again and reset battery stats?
The problem is that the battery control chip doesn't take into account that the battery ages.
Resetting battery stats or charging while turned off will only clear the stats you see in the settings menu. This guide will make your battery drain to 0% again: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1534892
I don't know what a new battery will do though.
I gathered that, but as the phone is going to a new user (my stepson) we got him a new battery anyway
I just wondered what the correct procedure is. I know you need to do a first charge with a new battery, as with a new phone, however, this phone obviously has a working ROM already on it.
So, the phone is charging now, switched off. Should I turn it on, use a little, then use the battery calibration app to delete the stats and then drain to 0%?
Kryten2k35 said:
I know you need to do a first charge with a new battery, as with a new phone
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Well, that assumption is probably inherited from the NiHM batteries in the past, because it's not needed with Li-Ion batteries. In fact charging to 80% is better than charging to 100% and keeping it plugged in.
You can read more about it here and here.
Kryten2k35 said:
So, the phone is charging now, switched off. Should I turn it on, use a little, then use the battery calibration app to delete the stats and then drain to 0%?
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Just charge it and use it for a full cycle. If it shuts down at 15%, you can try the battery calibration from the thread I mentioned above. If it doesn't, you're battery capacity is the same as the one the battery chip has calculated, which is good.
So, why does the first charge take so long?
This thing is still charging and it's been on the charger for 3 hours, whereas usually it'd be charged fully by now.
Been like that for every Li-Ion battery I've ever had (including my S3, took around 6 hours to charge, usually takes 3).
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Just to clarify, I don't intend on leaving it past the green light. As soon as it says it's full I'll be taking it off charge and not trying ot overcharge it. But I still have the orange charging light after 3-4 hours.
To be honest, I don't know. Maybe it's a safety to prevent overcharging. Coincidentally, I've got exactly the same issue now. I asked about it in the calibration thread. I suppose it's normal, but I'm not sure about that.
Kryten2k35 said:
So, why does the first charge take so long?
This thing is still charging and it's been on the charger for 3 hours, whereas usually it'd be charged fully by now.
Been like that for every Li-Ion battery I've ever had (including my S3, took around 6 hours to charge, usually takes 3).
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Just to clarify, I don't intend on leaving it past the green light. As soon as it says it's full I'll be taking it off charge and not trying ot overcharge it. But I still have the orange charging light after 3-4 hours.
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my battery took just over 6 hours to charge the other day from completly dead
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Hi,
Ive been having problems while charging my phone. Usually i charge my phone from 11 pm to 7 am and sometimes when i wake up in the morning the battery light is green and it reads as 100% battery charge but the moment i disconnect the wire it instantly drops to 30-50%. Is anyone else having these issues?
Are you stock?
I have not had this problem and charge pretty much same as you. I am stock rooted with a few apps disabled and only had the phone since October.
Try this app
Also I'm pretty sure you shouldn't let it charge for so long, it will hinder you battery life in the long run. At least that's what I have read.
lt1camaro said:
Hi,
Ive been having problems while charging my phone. Usually i charge my phone from 11 pm to 7 am and sometimes when i wake up in the morning the battery light is green and it reads as 100% battery charge but the moment i disconnect the wire it instantly drops to 30-50%. Is anyone else having these issues?
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Option 1 : Clear battery stats
Option 2 : Get a new battery and 24 hour charge
Option 3 : Let the battery DIE, drop it in the freezer for a few hours, then 12 - 24 hour charge it again. Doing this though MAY (not always does) cause the water indicator to trip. Easiest solution I found for that was I vacuum sealed my battery THEN dropped it in the freezer. No air, no moisture, no trip.
kirkgbr said:
Are you stock?
I have not had this problem and charge pretty much same as you. I am stock rooted with a few apps disabled and only had the phone since October.
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Yes i am running stock
jgaf said:
Try this app
Also I'm pretty sure you shouldn't let it charge for so long, it will hinder you battery life in the long run. At least that's what I have read.
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I would also recommend trying this app. I tried it out a few days ago and it does seem to help out quite a bit.
I find mine drops instantly to 99%. Even sometimes when I'm at 74% and if I don't use it at all, I will check back and it goes up to 78% :-/
I've been experiencing huge battery drops (from 10% up to 20%) after I reboot my phone. Is this a KitKat issue or is it my battery?
In the morning from 99% (after checking a few messages in the morning), I rebooted and I dropped 11% to 88%.
I think It may have been my battery giving me the huge drops. I don't seem to have this issue any more after buying a new one. :good:
I didnt found it on reboots, but i have this problem when i enter recovery. 20 minutes in recovery - i dont hace 20% of battery.
artur1131 said:
I didnt found it on reboots, but i have this problem when i enter recovery. 20 minutes in recovery - i dont hace 20% of battery.
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Hmmm that's strange.
I've noticed it usually drops more when I leave my headphones in.
full loaded ACE 2.
reboot cost u 5%
first 10 % gone in a few minutes for heavy users and in a few hours when deepsleep !!
what i wanna say.
the first 10 % gone in a few.
after that normal drain.
I often get this, although not as bad. I usually lose 2-5% on a reboot, sometimes up to 10%. The other week I charged it to 100% when it was off, turned it on and had 92%.
so is this actually a problem or is it normal for everyone?. Mine looses 5-8% in the first couple of minutes after I unplug the charger..
It's normal.
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edithswanneck said:
I often get this, although not as bad. I usually lose 2-5% on a reboot, sometimes up to 10%. The other week I charged it to 100% when it was off, turned it on and had 92%.
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Same experience. Around 5% to 10% is lost during my reboots.
ulalume said:
so is this actually a problem or is it normal for everyone?. Mine looses 5-8% in the first couple of minutes after I unplug the charger..
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Its normal. I usually lose the first 5% of a full charge in a couple of minutes. After it gets to 95%, battery charge will drain normally depending on usage.
Vino Kulafu said:
Same experience. Around 5% to 10% is lost during my reboots.
Its normal. I usually lose the first 5% of a full charge in a couple of minutes. After it gets to 95%, battery charge will drain normally depending on usage.
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ok then, thanks...I just thought that this didn;t happen when I was on GB, but it doesn;t matter anyway..
If I reboot once, I will lose between 5 - 10% battery. However, if I reboot straight after the first reboot, I will lose between 0 - 2% battery. I've never really understood this.
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Phone need more energy for reboot, that causing the drain. Mine usually drop 2-5%. After recharge battery alsi drop to 95-92% fast. Thats normal
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Battery Charging Issue
Is this normal?
When I charge my battery whether it be from mains or USB computer it charges ok, but as soon as it gets to 100% it still says charging for a little time and doesn't report the unplug charger message right away.
With the Jellybean 4.1.2 system I don't get the alert tone when the battery reaches FULL, therefore I have a feeling that when it still says charging even though it's showing 100% that it's actually decreasing power at that point, any help please?
I have tried other batteries, and one in particular goes from 90% right up to 100% and seems to miss that last 10 percent, so I don't use that one now.
I have the most current firmware installed.
Buy a new one
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pbgrout said:
Is this normal?
When I charge my battery whether it be from mains or USB computer it charges ok, but as soon as it gets to 100% it still says charging for a little time and doesn't report the unplug charger message right away.
With the Jellybean 4.1.2 system I don't get the alert tone when the battery reaches FULL, therefore I have a feeling that when it still says charging even though it's showing 100% that it's actually decreasing power at that point, any help please?
I have tried other batteries, and one in particular goes from 90% right up to 100% and seems to miss that last 10 percent, so I don't use that one now.
I have the most current firmware installed.
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when it says 100%, you still have to wait for a few minutes before it displays the green "full" icon in the upper left corner and asks you to disconnect the charger.
However, the first 5-8% always drains REALLY fast and not proportionally to the rest of the battery drain...
I think It may have been my battery giving me the huge drops. I don't seem to have this issue any more after buying a new one.
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I think It may have been my battery giving me the huge drops. I don't seem to have this issue any more after buying a new one.
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what about the initial drain? does the first 10% still drop fast or has this changed too with the new battery?
I just wish that JellyBean 4.1.2 would give an alert sound when the battery has reached it's full limit like Gingerbread used to do.
Who would be the best place to ask them to do this on their next update?
But I think that it does..a very short one indeed, but it does, along with the screen lighting up briefly..
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But I think that it does..a very short one indeed, but it does, along with the screen lighting up briefly..
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Doesn't make a sound on my phone and im not always looking at my phone to see it light up.
I have sounds all turned on and on full volume so no reason why I dont hear a sound when its reached full capacity.
ItsHumf said:
I've been experiencing huge battery drops (from 10% up to 20%) after I reboot my phone. Is this a KitKat issue or is it my battery?
In the morning from 99% (after checking a few messages in the morning), I rebooted and I dropped 11% to 88%.
I think It may have been my battery giving me the huge drops. I don't seem to have this issue any more after buying a new one. :good:
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are you using custom battery ? like double-powered-battery