hey guys, i don't know a thing about programming, but i have a question. instead of trying to put android on the device and going through all that trouble, is it at all possible to integrate an on screen keyboard onto the device ?
Thats what I need. Im getting sick of sliding my phone open. I want a landscape qwerty keyboard (android style) and same as for portrait mode. thats the only downfall this phone needs!
no, it's not possible as we A) cannot access the kinOS code, and B) know virtually nothing about how the kinOS works. android is several times more feasible.
so then is it probable that there could be an onscreen android keyboard integrated with the android os ?
wasserman11 said:
hey guys, i don't know a thing about programming, but i have a question. instead of trying to put android on the device and going through all that trouble, is it at all possible to integrate an on screen keyboard onto the device ?
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your acting as if putting a keyboard on this device will let it do everything everybody wants...and anyways, if we cant even take of a file from the device, how will be even begin to integrate a keyboard that will work with this odd OS? Please read forums to figure out what is possible
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...if we cant even take of a file from the device, how will be even begin to integrate a keyboard that will work with this odd OS?...
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This.
Till now we are not able to fetch a file from the device without using Zune (which is cool looking software to me, but tooooooooooooooooooooo complex for the task) in windows or the macspace app on Macs.
Furthermore, if you try to make a lame hijacking test, renaming a mp3 to image or the opposite (like "image.mp3"), the Zune software detects it, before you sync, so outta luck.
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I just got a Desire last week having had a N900 for the last six months and I'm loving both the device and the OS. The speed, the screen, the sense UI, it's all mobile goodness.
But I do want to ask if it is possible to screencast my Desire's screen while providing a voice commentary. I work as a teacher and I wanted to be able to provide video how-to guides of certain educational apps for my students. My first thought was to physically video my phone's screen using another camera, but I discovered that my hardware isn't really up to the task.
So I thought I might be easier to somehow connect my phone to the computer via USB, display the phone screen on my computer and then use software like Camtasia to do the screen capturing.
I've searched on the net to find out if this is possible but struggled to find an answer. There was a lot of stuff about SDKs and rooting and command lines and while I have some tech knowledge, a lot of it was way over my head.
If anyone can tell me if this is possible and how I'd go about doing it in fairly simple terms I'd be grateful. I am willing to chance my arm with the strange world of rooting if I have to, though I am afraid of messing up my lovely new device. All advice and help gratefully received..
dreadnought001 said:
I just got a Desire last week having had a N900 for the last six months and I'm loving both the device and the OS. The speed, the screen, the sense UI, it's all mobile goodness.
But I do want to ask if it is possible to screencast my Desire's screen while providing a voice commentary. I work as a teacher and I wanted to be able to provide video how-to guides of certain educational apps for my students. My first thought was to physically video my phone's screen using another camera, but I discovered that my hardware isn't really up to the task.
So I thought I might be easier to somehow connect my phone to the computer via USB, display the phone screen on my computer and then use software like Camtasia to do the screen capturing.
I've searched on the net to find out if this is possible but struggled to find an answer. There was a lot of stuff about SDKs and rooting and command lines and while I have some tech knowledge, a lot of it was way over my head.
If anyone can tell me if this is possible and how I'd go about doing it in fairly simple terms I'd be grateful. I am willing to chance my arm with the strange world of rooting if I have to, though I am afraid of messing up my lovely new device. All advice and help gratefully received..
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You're definitley going to need to root your phone but even at that no app like that exists for Android (Yet). It's fairly doable but you would need to get the help of a developer.
There's an app called AndroidScreenCast, search for it in the G1 forums. This will show your screen on the PC and then use a desktop recording tool to record it (I think it may actually have an inbuilt record video function though).
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There's an app called AndroidScreenCast, search for it in the G1 forums. This will show your screen on the PC and then use a desktop recording tool to record it (I think it may actually have an inbuilt record video function though).
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Thanks for that, sounds awesome and could be exactly what I need. Don't have pc access at the moment but will try it out as soon as I get home. Much appreciated!
Just tried it. Has a really slow refresh rate but works fine for basic functions i suppose!
Hello there to all the souls of the xda forums.
im new to wp7. never used one before like 3 days ago. i like it, great device my surround is. but im not here to tell you about how good it is. we all know its good.
im here to ask if theres any real hacking going on with this thing yet. im looking for at least some kind of command line.
from there i could use tools such as aircrack, nmap, metasploit, SET, etc.
ive had an iphone for about 3 years, booting iOS and Android. i am used to hacking from that, but at the same time i know there a bigger user base for those devices, so theres more devs for it. i just wanted to know if anyone has already started on such a project before i dedicate alot of my time to developing this for you all.
BTW i am not interested in pirating apps, cracking apps
With enough effort, command-line interface *might* be possible - the OS technically supports such things - but the underlying core is Windows CE. Even less so than NT, CE really isn't meant for a CLI; apps are written with the intent of being run on a graphical interface. Also, having no POSIX compatibility and only partial Win32 compatibility, a lot of apps that you're used to from the desktop (or from POSIX-based phone OSs like iOS and Android) aren't going to be available.
That said, if you want to get started in the WP7 hacking space, there's certainly plenty to do. One project that I have on the back burner until I get some more urgent stuff out of the way is a SSH client. There are a number of things that are required here. First of all, we have homebrew Socket support, but the official SDK lacks it so you'd need to use a native Homebrew DLL. Second, there's no official command line interface, so you'd need to write one. The second point is all sorts of fun, since what you're really writing is a terminal emulator.
Other interesting projects include getting a unified cross-platform approach to writing to the filesystem, or even reading from all of it (instead of the relatively small portions currently accessible) or figuring out how to make third-party apps run in the background.
thanks man. I think I'll work on getting a full file browser for the phone. That should happen , i think, before anything else. As far as a terminal emu, it sounds like its going to be more of a chalange for me. Again, I'm used to more Linux and UNIX systems than I am windows. I had to reinstall windows 7 onto a partition just so I could sync the phone with the Zune software Microsoft insisted I use.
So is anyone currently working on the file browser? Has there been any progress with it? If so, who should I contact so I can help?
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thanks man. I think I'll work on getting a full file browser for the phone. That should happen , i think, before anything else. As far as a terminal emu, it sounds like its going to be more of a chalange for me. Again, I'm used to more Linux and UNIX systems than I am windows. I had to reinstall windows 7 onto a partition just so I could sync the phone with the Zune software Microsoft insisted I use.
So is anyone currently working on the file browser? Has there been any progress with it? If so, who should I contact so I can help?
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TouchXplorer. Do a bit of searching. A lot of homebrew has already been in the works.
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TouchXplorer. Do a bit of searching. A lot of homebrew has already been in the works.
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Thanks. Just found that page
Mabey we should try getting windows 6.5 on the device for a start instead of other software like droid or windows phone 7. Its a start after all the software in 6.5 is older than the kin so it might actually be possable if we can find a way to get it on the device.
Have we ever tried getting software or custom firmware or apps on the device through email? MMS? Its worth a shot. My KIN recognizes docx files (No Clue Why But It Does). So mabey some of these sites that say they have kin twom apps arent as crazy as we might think. Its worth a shot so Ill try it. The only problem is email blocks the uploading of program files in hotmail but I dont know about any other service.
I have another idea I just thought of while reading some old posts. Why dont we go back to the old Zune HD approach and try to get the Zune HD apps onto the KIN via ActiveSync! I know its a longshot at best but its a start!
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via ActiveSync
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You didn't read enough.
And your docx recognition is not well explained. Furthermore, cab files (what you suggest) was tried and not detected.
I guess that's the problem when you come as the new guy, and open a bunch of threads as is. (when there's a big sticky thread for suggestions & thing to test, and you dont apport things but suggestion)
But what about ActiveSynce its possable? Also windows 6.5 OS (HTC Imagio) is older than the KIN software and hardware so it would mostlikely work if we could find a way to get it on the phone. I wonder if emailing the software piece by piece would work. hmmmmmmm....
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But what about ActiveSynce its possable? Also windows 6.5 OS (HTC Imagio) is older than the KIN software and hardware so it would mostlikely work if we could find a way to get it on the phone. I wonder if emailing the software piece by piece would work. hmmmmmmm....
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You are more than welcome to try anything you want to. Don't be surprised when you find that everything you test fails.
The Kin has very unique hardware, so it's pretty much impossible to take an image of any other Windows Mobile device and try to put it on the Kin. That is, unless you have completely rewritten it for the hardware in the Kin.
was implied that was already tested. doesnt work.
And unfortunately, you cant just put another os in pieces (this isnt lego).
Point taken. Also why dont we try to find the old port KIN Studio used to use for its link up. Right now that seems the only way that we can get stuff onto the device.
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Point taken. Also why dont we try to find the old port KIN Studio used to use for its link up. Right now that seems the only way that we can get stuff onto the device.
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While there was clearly some kind of communication between the Kin Studio and the Kin phones, the ONLY things that were synced were pictures, video, music files, and contacts. Guess what? We have access to ALL of that through KinO. I don't think finding the Kin Studio port would get us any further than we are now.
Can someone post all the KIN Key shortcuts?
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Can someone post all the KIN Key shortcuts?
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Yeah, they are in another thread in this forum area.
Do you know which one?
There's a few of them, actually. If you've read through the different threads in this KIN Two Software Development area, you'll find some that go over the different keystrokes, the programnitt menu, and other fun things.
Coolz thanks.
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Mabey we should try getting windows 6.5 on the device for a start instead of other software like droid or windows phone 7. Its a start after all the software in 6.5 is older than the kin so it might actually be possable if we can find a way to get it on the device.
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Here's a bright idea. Maybe we should um.. I don't know, figure out how to read/write to the filesystem before we put a different OS on the Kin? Sorry if I sound like an ass.
Im not talking about that. I was saying when yuo download a file from email the phones software opens up and allows the file in. So what I was saying was mabey we should try getting small programs on through that. Just an idea.
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Im not talking about that. I was saying when yuo download a file from email the phones software opens up and allows the file in. So what I was saying was mabey we should try getting small programs on through that. Just an idea.
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The ability to read docx files didn't just magically pop up on the device. It was programmed in by someone, (in other words it was intentional). I really doubt a programmer risked their job by adding in the functionality to open an executable file on the Kin, but you could try.
It didnt read it it just recognized the file type and gave me an option to open it.
according to certain websites, the kin ui was made in silverlight. whether this is true or not i dont know. however i just wanted to say that i will be working on a new kin design interface and will be possibly making a website for it if it works okay. all support is appreciated.
Yes, everything points to the Kin menu being Silverlight-based, however, the IEmobile 6 browser on the Kin does not support Silverlight.
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hmm... maybe i could make the ui in silverlight, save it as a file, and redo the programming in some like visual c++ or visual c#. we need to find out how microsoft did it and retrace their steps our way.
The biggest complication is just that we don't have access to the Kin OS files. If we did, then it would be almost easy to modify what's already there.
I'll try anyway
im gonna see if i can break in...im good at that so this may not be that difficult.
Good luck with that. Seriously, lol.
........... Guys, guys. This stuff is a lot harder than it looks, take it from someone whos worked on this for a long time. ITS TOUGH! We have none of the neccesary codes and system access for a clean succesful break in. Just slow down a little ok.
Good luck to anybody who tries to crack this phone but I would like to mention the fact that if you can jailbreak a itouch does not mean that you can hack into this phone.
BitPim alternatives
Anybody know any good alternatives to BitPim? I need something like it that is centered around the file system. I may have just figured out how to hack this phone, but I need something better than BitPim for it to work.
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Anybody know any good alternatives to BitPim? I need something like it that is centered around the file system. I may have just figured out how to hack this phone, but I need something better than BitPim for it to work.
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I would suggest that you make a thread about your question so people can see your question
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X-15D9W8491 said:
Anybody know any good alternatives to BitPim? I need something like it that is centered around the file system. I may have just figured out how to hack this phone, but I need something better than BitPim for it to work.
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I believe this is at the core of the issue. There is nothing that can access the "file system" other than what media we store. If there was anything better it would already be hacked. I believe we are going in circles here. If we can get into the "file system" it's hacked.
This is what I know accesses the phone so far(none are hacks):
* Zune software
* Qualcomms QPST(scary)
* KinO(johnkussack's closest to a hack)
* BitPim
Are there anymore to add to the list?
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I believe this is at the core of the issue. There is nothing that can access the "file system" other than what media we store. If there was anything better it would already be hacked. I believe we are going in circles here. If we can get into the "file system" it's hacked.
This is what I know accesses the phone so far(none are hacks):
* Zune software
* Qualcomms QPST(scary)
* KinO(johnkussack's closest to a hack)
* BitPim
Are there anymore to add to the list?
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If you're on a Mac, MarkSpace has a Kin sync program. It's basically like Zune software excluding DRM content, but also has a pretty simple browser program to access the folders (not the root folder, where the contact XML file would be found).
There are other MTP explorers out there, that will actually show you the content of the phone. However, in my testing, none of them will allow you to read or write content.
Basically, if the phone is in MTP (default) mode, you only have access to the media, and not to the OS space on it. We'd need a driver to use one of the other USB modes.
ok
ill make a new thread...
hello,
since i got a galaxy tab 3 i am wondering, if it is possible to run native linux on it.
i searched the web but couldnt found someone, who did it.
my question is, if it could be done and what steps are required to do so.
i appreciate any help
right ?
ineb2k said:
hello,
since i got a galaxy tab 3 i am wondering, if it is possible to run native linux on it.
i searched the web but couldnt found someone, who did it.
my question is, if it could be done and what steps are required to do so.
i appreciate any help
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i would say it has to be possible, trying to find an answer that's useful, insightful, and adventurous nature is the hang-up.
i think it's completely possible to tinker with the kernel and get it to talk to i guess the word is process? that acts grub-ish
in nature and do like a pc to boot a nested system like dyne-bolic or run sort of a rip linux, partition magic, livecd
kind of thing but there doesn't seem to be any interest. i don't think these devices are just cheesey gadgets
for all the things you can do with them, and i don't think android should be the lock and key.
i'm thinking that all of the user storage could be kicked to the extSdCard, the android / could be resized a little bigger to allow
it to expand as it will, then get rid of the fuse emulation thing, then take the balance of that internal storage and set it up
like a bootable usb [going back to the grub idea] i know drivers/firmware on an arm setup are difficult, i don't doubt the devs
but on a tab with an x86 processor where if i'm correct most of the armishness of android is emulated and otg is good to go
i can't see how it can't be done, of course the ui would blow without a mouse or keyboard but that should be workable as well
oh yeah and drivers are wrap-able right?
anyway