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When is the best time to S-off?

Newb Alert!
Hi I'm currently running stock android 2.2.1 (build 1.72.405.3) on an unbranded DHD in the UK (I'm on Orange if that matters) I'm getting frustrated with the wait for 2.3 to be released here so I want to install the official RUU that was released a little while back.
I understand that to do this my phone will still be "official" ish, and that the only real difference between this way and OTA is that I'll lose my apps etc. which I can handle.
I want to be able to try some custom roms (in the future) but then be able to return the phone to stock - I believe this is possible? Am I better off downgrading now and doing S-off / eng-off, clockwork recovery, root etc? Or will I be fine to downgrade from 2.3 to 1.32 in the future to do everything I'll need for custom ROMS?
Or am I a muppet and have things totally wrong?
Any help appreciated,
Grim.
Ps. I've read the sticky in the Development forum, and tried searching the forum to find answers but have found it difficult as the terms I'm searching for are really generic - for this forum at least.

grimbola said:
I want to be able to try some custom roms (in the future) but then be able to return the phone to stock - I believe this is possible? Am I better off downgrading now and doing S-off / eng-off, clockwork recovery, root etc? Or will I be fine to downgrade from 2.3 to 1.32 in the future to do everything I'll need for custom ROMS?
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Simple answer: Do it NOW!!!
Yes you can always go back to stock.
Much easier to do everything now.
Even if you only do root and S-OFF, you will be protected should the OTA update arrive in the sense that you won't need to downgrade again. But in for a penny and all that, go for the lot now and start exploring the greatness of Android and Sense (if you like that).

grimbola said:
Newb Alert!
Hi I'm currently running stock android 2.2.1 (build 1.72.405.3) on an unbranded DHD in the UK (I'm on Orange if that matters) I'm getting frustrated with the wait for 2.3 to be released here so I want to install the official RUU that was released a little while back.
I understand that to do this my phone will still be "official" ish, and that the only real difference between this way and OTA is that I'll lose my apps etc. which I can handle.
I want to be able to try some custom roms (in the future) but then be able to return the phone to stock - I believe this is possible? Am I better off downgrading now and doing S-off / eng-off, clockwork recovery, root etc? Or will I be fine to downgrade from 2.3 to 1.32 in the future to do everything I'll need for custom ROMS?
Or am I a muppet and have things totally wrong?
Any help appreciated,
Grim.
Ps. I've read the sticky in the Development forum, and tried searching the forum to find answers but have found it difficult as the of yerms I'm searching for are really generic - for this forum at least.
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hi grim..
not neccesary you are going to lose your apk´s...
you can install "titanium backup" and do a backup of your apk´s, your system and your data (dialer, missed calls, wifi passwords...on sd-card\titaniumbackup) and then when you has installed your new gingerbread rom you can restore it.
download it from android market..
and finally say to you step by step what should to do:
1ºDOWNGRADE proccess from 1.72xx to 1.32xx wee off. ru
2ºroot with visionary Rxx
3º s-off eng-off+SUPERCID
4ºinstall ROM MANAGER from market and then flash a CWM recovery (lastest)
5ºDOWNLOAD the gingerbread rom, copy, paste to sd card root,
6ºDO FULL WIPE in recovery (factory reset, data, dalvik)
7ºFLASH the new rom and ENJOY

Mr_JMM said:
Simple answer: Do it NOW!!!
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WIN!!!!!!

Hi grimbola
You can do anything, anywhere, and anyhow on your Desire HD (But make sure you know what you are doing. Lol.) It all depends on your risk appetite.

only follow the guides, it sounds more difficult than it is.
I did it as an unexperienced user 3 weeks ago and the master plan was, to read the guides

Hi guys,
Thanks for all the speedy replies! I read them last week, but have only now have the time to reply.
I did it! I downgraded to 1.36 (?) then ran the tool on my pc to do radio S-off then also ran the other tool to Eng S-off - I followed jkoljo's posts (from the sticky roll-up thread over on the development forum). I've now installed the official 2.3. It was a little scary at times, but easy as pie!
The only issue I had was that I don't think I backed up my apps correctly (I used Astro file browser to do it) as they have not all been restored, however this is no great pain!
I'm now thinking that I might try installing a custom ROM, maybe Leedroid? I'm after something that is like the stock rom - i.e. Sense based (at least to start with) but has more bells and whistles - any suggestions are welcome!
Once again many thanks for your replies,
Grim.

Help DHD Root

Hi, I'm a little lost on the site here..
I have been reading up on rooting my DHD and to be honest i dont know if its possible, if it can what rom do i use and what tools..
Andriod Version 2.3.3
HTC sense version 2.1
Software Number 2.50.405.2
Any help & advise would be great.
Thanks

It is possible. Everything you need is in my signature
So downgrade first, then do Radio S-OFF and optionally ENG S-OFF. Then follow the instructions in Radio S-OFF thread (first post) to flash ClockworkMod and finally a ROM.
ENG S-OFF can be done later, too, so you do not really need to worry about it at this point.
I would recommend Android Revolution HD because it is the most popular ROM for Desire HD.

Thank you very much for the quick response ill get to doing it now

After downgrading you can use this guide (Its by the previous gentlemen as well)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=11557769
I also recommend Android Revolution HD

Just to confirm I downgraded and rooted yesterday using these guides. Was simple and a brilliant help couldn't have done it without them.
Sent from my HTC Desire HD using xda premium

jkoljo said:
It is possible. Everything you need is in my signature
So downgrade first, then do Radio S-OFF and optionally ENG S-OFF. Then follow the instructions in Radio S-OFF thread (first post) to flash ClockworkMod and finally a ROM.
ENG S-OFF can be done later, too, so you do not really need to worry about it at this point.
I would recommend Android Revolution HD because it is the most popular ROM for Desire HD.
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Yes...ur post is marvelous...i also use ur post to downgrade and etc..nice man!
Sent from my HTC Desire HD using XDA App

to jkoljo -
I have followed your guide (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=905003) for downgrading my phone. step 1 and. step 2b (I have gingerbread) - I have followed them but I don't see what is written on step 3. I don't see "#", doesn't this mean I am stuck?
What should I do?
My phone has the following:
andriod 2.3.3
htc sense 2.1
baseband 12.54.6025U_26.09.04.11_M2
kernal 2.6.35.10-gd2564fb
build number: 2.50.405.2
software number: 2.50.405.2
browser version: webkit/553

Hi jkoljo, I've just got my DHD yesterday and need to unlock it. Can I follow your guide and tools without having an SD card? I've ordered one but that will be afew days coming.
Thanks.

Stevemann said:
Hi jkoljo, I've just got my DHD yesterday and need to unlock it. Can I follow your guide and tools without having an SD card? I've ordered one but that will be afew days coming.
Thanks.
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Nope I don't think its possible due to having to place the downgrade zip file on the SD card, and then there is the fact that if its branded you will have to make a goldcard.
Yes I am new to this myself so I apologize if i am wrong but just wanted to try and help you out.

Stevemann said:
Hi jkoljo, I've just got my DHD yesterday and need to unlock it. Can I follow your guide and tools without having an SD card? I've ordered one but that will be afew days coming.
Thanks.
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Also think its not possible, after all if there was a way it would be in the guide (a safe way at least). You should wait for your card to arrive and maybe try and get a second card in case you need to make a gold card.

[Q] Which root method will work for this version?

I have a HTC Desire A9191 which is is branded with a ROM from Orange. So far I have unlocked it and is working with a different network.
I want root the device and also removed the branded bloat sh*te from Orange and install a custom ROM. I have read multiple forum articles on how to do this, and understand the process.
What I don't know is which method will work for my current image version, and what is the best ROM for this device.
Version info as follows:
Adroid - 2.3.5
HTC Sense - 3.0
Software number - 3.13.61.5
Many thanks in advance.

Does anybody have advice for this this Orange version?

I don't think that the orange bloatware or branding will have any effect on the rooting process, it should be that standard downgrade and then root procedure. Just remember to follow the steps precisely and read the entire post with all instructions as all the information you could possibly need will be there.
With regard to the custom rom, well thats entirely up to you! There are plenty of great roms available, try them all and keep the one that suits you best

mpg19 said:
I have a HTC Desire A9191 which is is branded with a ROM from Orange. So far I have unlocked it and is working with a different network.
I want root the device and also removed the branded bloat sh*te from Orange and install a custom ROM. I have read multiple forum articles on how to do this, and understand the process.
What I don't know is which method will work for my current image version, and what is the best ROM for this device.
Version info as follows:
Adroid - 2.3.5
HTC Sense - 3.0
Software number - 3.13.61.5
Many thanks in advance.
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You can folllow this guide
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1259821
Is a one step process to root, S-OFF, supercid, custom recovery etc. Then you will be able to flash any custom rom or a stock rooted rom.
Follow the instructions very carefully.

The link in the post above doesn't seem to work.
I would just say do a search for the "Ace hack kit" in this forum to find the right thread.http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=765&order=desc
I don't think you'll be S-OFF but that won't stop you flashing a ROM, plus there is another 1 step process to get you S-OFF. If you read the thread, and ask in there, you'll find everything you'll need.
The Ace hack kit is extremely easy to do, you simply plug your phone into your PC and click on or two buttons and it does the rest. Make sure you are absolutely sure on the procedure before doing it though.

[Q] Why downgrade?

I'm root curious as I want to remove my carriers branded software, and after the lastest update my phone has developed a lag, so I am considering rooting and a rom but I am confused.
The how to root guide talks about downgrading? Is this a good idea?
Do I need permanent root?
Thanks in advance..
HTC Desire HD A9191 in the UK on Orange
android 2.3.5
sense 3.0

I cant remember the exact process as i rooted my phone more than a year ago.
Basically you need to gain temp root, then downgrade in order to achieve permanent root.

toys19 said:
I'm root curious as I want to remove my carriers branded software, and after the lastest update my phone has developed a lag, so I am considering rooting and a rom but I am confused.
The how to root guide talks about downgrading? Is this a good idea?
Do I need permanent root?
Thanks in advance..
HTC Desire HD A9191 in the UK on Orange
android 2.3.5
sense 3.0
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Yes, you need to dowgrade first. You can folllow this guide
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1259821
Is a one step process to root, S-OFF, supercid, custom recovery etc. Then you will be able to flash any custom rom or a stock rooted rom.
Follow the instructions very carefully.

Ah Ok so does that mean you cannot root unless you downgrade? So when you install a custom rom does it upgrade you again?
I'm kind of lost as to why running older/downgraded software is good idea once you have gained root?

toys19 said:
Ah Ok so does that mean you cannot root unless you downgrade? So when you install a custom rom does it upgrade you again?
I'm kind of lost as to why running older/downgraded software is good idea once you have gained root?
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The problem is that on DHD is not possible to root (actually) if you have android 2.3.5.
So you need to downgrade first. Once you have rooted the phone you can flash a Stock rooted android 2.3.5 sense 3.0 (like the one you have now) or a custom rom.
This one is a stock rooted android 2.3.5 sense 3.0 for example (f you like the stock feeling) http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1382235.
Hope it helps

Clarifies it perfectly. I understand now, thanks very much for your reply.

Glad it helped

The next question then is - I guess what I really want is to keep my phone as it is now. So If I do the advanced ace hack , install that stock rom above, my phone will be exactly the same (like with all my settings etc? except I can uninstall all the crappy orange bloatware etc?

toys19 said:
The next question then is - I guess what I really want is to keep my phone as it is now. So If I do the advanced ace hack , install that stock rom above, my phone will be exactly the same (like with all my settings etc? except I can uninstall all the crappy orange bloatware etc?
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When you will run the ace hack kit you will be prompted to download a RUU in order to downgrade. Be carefull and chose the WWE (world wide english) and not a branded one. Doing so you will get rid of all crappy bloatware.
If you will download the rom I linked, your phone will be exactly as it is now (not the settings of course, you will lose your settings).
It will be as out of the box and need to set again.
Just be carefull and follow exactly (read twice and even more) the instructions.

OK I am doing mucho reading as we speak!

Good. I did it too.
Read, learn and try. It's the only way.
I bought my DHD in February 2011 and googled aroud this forums to learn, finally on december I decided to join. Good luck!!

Help DZ noob to flash KitKat onto it

So today I got Desire Z. It's nice, I really love Sense 2.1 (or mostly it's LockScreen), but KK (with it ) would be better.
Now, as it's old phone and old forum, cannot find what and how to do.
I found this:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-desire-z/help/complete-guide-to-root-downgrade-t3332619
Is that would I need to do or there is something easier?
Right now I have stock 2.42.405.3 and available update (6,55Mb so probably .4) and HBOOT-0.85.0013 with S-OFF (so previous user probably was playing with this device).
What I should do now?

ch3mn3y said:
So today I got Desire Z. It's nice, I really love Sense 2.1 (or mostly it's LockScreen), but KK (with it ) would be better.
Now, as it's old phone and old forum, cannot find what and how to do.
I found this:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/htc-desire-z/help/complete-guide-to-root-downgrade-t3332619
Is that would I need to do or there is something easier?
Right now I have stock 2.42.405.3 and available update (6,55Mb so probably .4) and HBOOT-0.85.0013 with S-OFF (so previous user probably was playing with this device).
What I should do now?
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Hey buddy,
Take a look through the first few posts here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2348266&page=16
It may seem like a lot but it will be worth it

So it seems that for fastboot I need this Engineering HBoot or after S-OFF I have full access?
Coz all guides for Eng HBoot are for downgraded devices and all the guides for downgrading are for S-ON devices...
However I've also found that Eng HBoot was used when S-OFF was not possible and now it's not recommended, what can mean that S-OFF gives access to Fastboot same way the Eng HBoot?
If ti is true, than flashing Recovery will be easy and than I can check Roms
I know I'm missing something, but cannot find it...

ch3mn3y said:
So it seems that for fastboot I need this Engineering HBoot or after S-OFF I have full access?
Coz all guides for Eng HBoot are for downgraded devices and all the guides for downgrading are for S-ON devices...
However I've also found that Eng HBoot was used when S-OFF was not possible and now it's not recommended, what can mean that S-OFF gives access to Fastboot same way the Eng HBoot?
If ti is true, than flashing Recovery will be easy and than I can check Roms
I know I'm missing something, but cannot find it...
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Correct, you have what we call fake s-off and only gives you a bit of help flashing your phone, to get true s-off the preferred method is to go back to stock and then downgrade and root with gfree
Relatively easy but a few steps needed first
If you have a chance to go to g2root on freenode iirc there is a good likelihood that guhl is there and will walk you through it all
If not then feel free to ask again and i can lay out some instructions for you hete

demkantor said:
If not then feel free to ask again and i can lay out some instructions for you hete
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If You have time I would be grateful for advices how ro get from GB fake S-OFF to Recovery..
If not I will try tonight or tomorrow with this channel You wrote
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EDIT: It seems I have more time that I thought, so I'm checkin this g2root irc and waiting for someones answer
However if somebody could answer me one thing: With this fake S-OFF is it safe to downgrade using this method: https://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1178912
Is it needed?
And what exactly S-OFF gives? Fastboot access like this Eng HBoot (at the beginning thought that it's HBoot from UK DZ/G2 )? Coz thats what I need : to flash CWM and than KK.

Downgraded, flashed Eng HBoot and CWM and KK is here. But I dont like it [emoji14] GB is coming...
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