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xda-wifi-sharing & bittorrent...

Hey there. This is my first post but rest assured I'm not really a noob (been editing wm reg for at least 5 years...)
I am grandfathered in to an unlimited data plan with at&t (although I did have to go from $20 to $30 a month when I upgraded to the tilt2/rohdium) and I have a minor but seriously annoying problem with using xda-wifi-sharing & bittorrent under some pretty specific circumstances.
I have been using my service to download video for several years as I don't have a tv or internet any other way. I get much of my tv video from tvtorrents.com as you can download entire seasons of just about any tv worth watching.
When I am downloading a season torrent (multiple episodes, many peers etc...) my 3G/HSDPA connection times out or gets "stuck" and requires me to restart the data service on the phone. While this has happened before, rarely, it is happening very frequently now.
Using tvtorrents for these type of downloads affords many high speed seeds and I think that the number of seed/peer connections is somehow overwhelming the 3G/HSDPA data connection, causing it to time out. This never used to happen with this frequency and I'm not sure what to do.
Thanks for your help and thank Jebus for this site (and I don't even believe in Jebus...) as I would never have gotten this far without you all.
tilt2, wm 6.5 stock rom, bloat and crippleware removed

Have you tried a torrent software on the phone itself and downloaded to your Storage Card? My thought it to eliminate the tethering part to see if that has something to do with the lock out.

Thresher said:
Have you tried a torrent software on the phone itself and downloaded to your Storage Card? My thought it to eliminate the tethering part to see if that has something to do with the lock out.
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hmmm... wasn't aware of a bittorrent client for WM. I've been using uTorrent on my laptop for a few years now without any problems until recently. Right now my girlfriend also connects through the xda-wifi-router and this doesn't happen (at least nowhere near the frequency it happens to me). Physical tethering is a bit of a pain as I find that the orientation of the phone (in relation to laptop) and distance from my laptop significantly affects bandwidth.
I'm thinking about un/reinstalling utorrent, and maybe changing where the tilt2 is in the room... it's been working so well for so long, I'm sure I can get it to work again.
I've also had intermittent crash problems with device.exe on the tilt2, maybe this is related?
Thanks for your help

Ok, I guess that my problem was with at&t's network (damn iPhone users.. ..). Anywho, I have not made any substantial changes, yet all of the sudden, everything works fine.
I am reluctant to call at&t as they want to verify my network settings ( that have been working fine forever but might concern them as I am the network hog, not the iPhone users.. hehe). Every time I call I call from my phone and they have a hard time understanding that it is the only phone I have available.
Strangely, the very act of having one of their techs look at my account seems to fix my problem (most of the time it is that I am traveling).
Regardless, thanks for your help!

Upgrading to WP7 Issues

I have a Dash 3G running win 6.5 with over 100 great apps, CHome, sliding panels, GPS, SPB TV, Core Player, Wunder Radio, MIRC chat, etc etc etc. I have months of time into it and everything works well. Along comes WP7 and the HTC Surround which I am getting Monday morning at a very reasonable $200. AT&T charges monthly fees for their “premium” apps which puts them out of my reach. Bing maps probably is a subscription and google maps is not installed. I mostly use WiFi at home and do not have a data plan. AT&T requires a minimum $15 data plan that allows 200 megs per month so I may be be able to get my emails and listen to streaming radio if a third party app becomes available. I plan to hold onto the Dash 3G for a while. I am wondering if developers will work on porting their apps to WP7 so I don’t have to pay those monthly fees and I can get back the functionality I have on my Dash. I am not sure if WP7 will be able to transfer my movies onto the new phone. The HTC Surround is faster, nice big screen, new capabilities. We all have the jitters when upgrading….we put in a lot of customization and get used to the way our toys work and then the process repeats so it can be a bit unnerving when letting go. There must be other members here with the same concerns?
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I thought Zune comes with streaming, no?
As far as I know bing maps like google maps are subscription free services.
As for all your other WinMo apps, you either have to dash them with your Dash or wait and see if there is an emulator for WinMo 6.5 apps available in the near future - I am hearing "the near future" is a trend word of WP7.

Hey,
I don't know about any of the other issues you face, I came from Android (before that I came from Windows Mobile which was absolute **** imo). But for the video, yes you can play video and by the looks of it you can play ANY kind of video on the phone.
I say any, because the only way to put video on the phone is through zune and zune will convert the video before syncing it, so the phone itself might not support (for example) .mkv but zune will just convert that to whatever format is supported before syncing it to the phone.

Streaming
That is useful info. I played with a Zune once but it was an early model and it was useless. Guess they improved on it. The AT&T Navigator which uses Bing is a subscription based app...so you have to pay AT&T for it if you want to use it even if you are using your own WiFi connection for streaming. Same thing goes for the the Zune apps maybe. I'll know more tomorrow when I get my hands on the phone. I would probably prefer to have the HD7 but AT&T does not have it and T-Mobile requires their $30 data plan for unlimited web access.....its a good deal, but still expensive if you total up the yearly cost. Also we are getting version 1.0 of WP7...there's a lot missing like multitaking, copy and paste, skinning etc...so hopefully the rom updates will be available to all when they are released. Upgrading the phone when new models become available could be an issue since right now they are asking $800 for unlocked WP7 phones. The reviews on all of the WP7 phones vary greatly. Some love it, some hate it, some are thoughtful, some of the reviewers are incompetent. But I get a good overall feeling about the OS.

i doubt it will be ROM updates so much. Also, i don't think you need to use AT&T Navigator. I have a HTC Trophy, and quite a few of my contacts, i've put their address there so it's easy for me (this was because i had tomtom on my wm6.5, and could do navigate to contact), and in windows phone 7 it works just as well. i view the contact, click on view address, and it comes up with bing map of it. then i can do get directions.
at the moment it doesn't have turn by turn navigation live, but it does show directions which is good enough considering version 1. Though i would like to see this come in the next update, or at least the update after.

All carrier custom apps can be uninstalled from the device.. AT&T navigator is a pay service, bing maps is free. AT&T Navigator (and TeleNav on T-mobile) offer turn by turn.. but they cost $15/mo or thereabouts..
To stream music w/ Zune you need to have a Zune Pass, which is $15/mo but you get to buy and keep 10 songs per month as part of that deal.
Slacker radio is free internet radio and is pre-loaded onto the device as well.. so there's that option for interested parties.
Here's a short list of subscription based services that are available out of the box on WP7 -
1. Netflix $9/mo (?)
2. Zune pass $15/mo
3. AT&T Navigator/TeleNav $15/mo (?)
4. AT&T U-Verse Mobile/T-Mobile TV $10/mo
Hope this clears things up a bit..

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Yes thanks again for the info...that clears some of it up. I guess this means that WP7 is open for installing 3rd party apps which means I don't have to use AT&T apps and that is very good news. Most of the internet TV apps are just front end links to streaming stations most of which you can probably open in Internet Explorer. I have heard no mention of Windows Media Player. I am not interested in streaming music, just playing what I already have. The free streaming radio app will be fine if there are enough stations...like talk radio and BBC. It will be interesting to see what apps will be offered for free in the marketplace and what 3rd party apps will become available.

Upload video

How do I upload video to internet/SoMe?

You cannot directly upload a video from the phone as far as I have known and tried...
However, the videos are very easily synced with your computer of choice using Zune, and you can upload them to any video sharing service without alterations.

Not able to upload a video, without a PC! Incredible.

I really hope they add that soon.
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I really don't think there is any option to do that. Not even in email.
But, don't forget, wp7 records 720p video, so, size of that video will be huge.

With iPhone, you can send video with e-mail (I think) and upload to YouTube.

I spent a good 2 hours yesterday searching trying to find someway to upload video from my phone to facebook. Every app i tried just did pictures. I eventually just did a sync w/ Zune and then uploaded it that way. Only then i became aware that the 3 minute video was 150mb. That would have taken forever on my phone. That is probably why that havent included that in some default setting. With the new data caps and everything, it would be very dangerous to allow video uploading of this size.

jason.hamilton said:
I spent a good 2 hours yesterday searching trying to find someway to upload video from my phone to facebook. Every app i tried just did pictures. I eventually just did a sync w/ Zune and then uploaded it that way. Only then i became aware that the 3 minute video was 150mb. That would have taken forever on my phone. That is probably why that havent included that in some default setting. With the new data caps and everything, it would be very dangerous to allow video uploading of this size.
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On my other OS phone it warns me that I should use Wi-Fi instead of data connection to upload large vidoes to youtubes, but it's not even an option on wp7

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With iPhone, you can send video with e-mail (I think) and upload to YouTube.
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iPhone has uncapped upload speed on AT&T (1 to 2 mbps upload speed). All other phones on AT&T are capped at 300kbps upload speeds.
Anyway, upload a few hundred megabytes of video through phone data connection is really a waste of data bandwidth, battery and your time.

not to mention that if you're on the move you can easily go into a dark spot and the video upload would die, meaning you wasted all that bandwidth for a video that didn't even upload fully.

^What phone does that? They pause, then resume when network connection is established again.

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^What phone does that? They pause, then resume when network connection is established again.
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droid does.... sorry couldn't resist. there is an application called "andftp" that can resume an upload if needed. i've had youtube videos resume uploading (i have no idea how) after dropping out of wifi range. walking around the house while uploading a 1.4Gb video and forgetting it's uploading isn't really helpful.
as far as uploading (anywhere, any type of transfer) a video, it seems trivial. sure 720p is large in files, but it should be up to the user to decide how to use their bandwidth.
one of the users mentioned iphones being 'uncapped' and uploading at 1Mb/s. that's incredible, as i've -never- seen any actual uploads or speedtests that showed that kind of UP speed. sure, it may be a 1Mb connection, but upload is usually 100-200K in my experience.
for the majority of my pictures and videos, i use wifi ftp. there are proximity apps that will turn on wifi/bluetooth and sync (rsync) directories to home computers, and they absolutely ROCK. now, where is my automagical air-charging station that feeds microwaves through the house to charge the phone.

It should be my choice if I would like to upload a video or not.

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one of the users mentioned iphones being 'uncapped' and uploading at 1Mb/s. that's incredible, as i've -never- seen any actual uploads or speedtests that showed that kind of UP speed. sure, it may be a 1Mb connection, but upload is usually 100-200K in my experience.
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It is reported by speedtest app on iPhone 3GS and iPhone 4. It is not the theoritcal connection speed but real world upload test. And also, many AT&T Captivate owners can reach the similar upload speed when using non-AT&T modem firmware (it seems AT&T intentionally disabled HSUPA in the firmware). And AT&T openly admited that fact.
You won't see that speed on anything else, certainly not WP7 phones AT&T released.

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It should be my choice if I would like to upload a video or not.
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That WP7 is probably a wrong phone for you. Most of the features in WP7 are not user selectable.

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That WP7 is probably a wrong phone for you. Most of the features in WP7 are not user selectable.
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My guess is that video uploading will come to WP7, but that it is not near the top of Microsoft's to-do list simply because it doesn't provide that much benefit, due, as others have said, to the often huge file sizes.
It's not often one gets that desperate to upload a video that one can't wait until one gets to one's PC. Photos, different ballgame.

I'd love to have it, but it's not a deal breaker for me.
I think I've sent or uploaded a total of 2 or 3 videos from my previous phones. Resolution was small, and it still took forever. That was with EDGE though.
I really would like to see Skydrive store video. But if it doesn't come until the end of the year, I don't think I'll really notice.

With HSUPA disabled on these phones, upload speed on 3G (200 to 300kbps) is not much faster than EDGE.

I can't even send video with MMS.

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It is reported by speedtest app on iPhone 3GS and iPhone 4. It is not the theoritcal connection speed but real world upload test. And also, many AT&T Captivate owners can reach the similar upload speed when using non-AT&T modem firmware (it seems AT&T intentionally disabled HSUPA in the firmware). And AT&T openly admited that fact.
You won't see that speed on anything else, certainly not WP7 phones AT&T released.
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wow that's apretty impressive speed for up. thanks button used.

My 1st Impressions of NoDo

It is in general alot smother, and I have not had it crash once!
The Marketplace is much better, no crashing, its always slick, doesnt hang while loading more apps in the list, and the new way of searching is much better.
(However I cannot find a few apps, I assume they have been removed from the marketplace, for example MusicShark?)
Copy and Paste works quite well, took me a few tries to realise the paste section is where the text correction area is.
Faults I have noted so far are...
1. Not sure if it is just me because I have only tried once so far, but after pairing with my car headunit. My car headunit no longer detects the HD7 as a bluetooth audio streaming device, and only as a handsfree device. Which is very annoying.
2.When pressing search in internet explorer, it no longer loads a web page, but loads the bing application.
Overall, it makes the phone even nicer to use, it just feels that bit more responsive, and it way more stable!
Has anyone else used NoDo, who can confirm the above faults?
I am running it on an O2 UK HD7 with 32gb.
UPDATE: after 1 days usage
Im finding reception better, battery seems to be a bit better too. Still not had one thing crash on me.
Bluetooth audio streaming does work, however its still low quality like it was in 7004/7008, so I cant wait to unlock it again so I can change the registry entry.
Audio streaming still does not work for playing videos.
Push notification seem to work fine all the time now too, I had problems initially getting them to work on some applications (they would work after trying a few times/restarting) but now they just work.
I havent had chance to check for hidden wireless networks yet, the WiFi menu seems identical though (There is nothing to manually type in any settings.)
Overall, it feels now like how I would have expected the phone to feel when I first got it. Everything it does, it does it really well, and it is a pleasure to use.

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2.When pressing search in internet explorer, it no longer loads a web page, but loads the bing application.
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That's how it's supposed to be.
I can remember a branded T-Mobile ROM where you've been redirected to a stupid search website after pressing the search-button but the standard action is opening BING.

We have three devices in this house hold, a HD7, 7 Mozart and a HD2 with Windows Phone 7, obiously the HD2 hasn't been released yet but the other two are much more reliable. I haven't had a single screen tearing on the HD7 since the update and both phones are much more responsive especially within internet explorer where I used to have numerous crashes.
Copy and paste works lovely although on occasion I have to tap a couple of times for it to pop up the option to copy.
Marketplace is more reliable and stable than the original RTM build and the search changes are greatly welcomed.
I haven't really noticed a change in speed loading application, although the only program I have ever had issues with is Bejewelled Live which takes quite a while to load even after the update.
All running nice and smoothly, just missing having Chevron WP7 to copy over my ringtones.

Just tried Bluetooth again, it works fine
I'm glad it shows the bing app instead of Yahoo search like it did before. Its just I expected it to load the bing web page
So all in all I find it perfect now, just need some sideloading back

You Guys receive the Official NoDo update or did you Flash the leak ROM. I'm Glad to hear that its a STABLE Update & Didn't cause any problem, otherwise this general form will be flooded w/ cry babies.

And what about connecting to hidden wifi networks and sound output while playing videos while using a bluetooth headset?

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And what about connecting to hidden wifi networks and sound output while playing videos while using a bluetooth headset?
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Good call - and not just watching video through the headset but using the headset's button to initiate Voice Commands and the headset's microphone to talk the command into.

Just posted a quick update.
I am using the non-goldcard flashed method of getting NoDo, it was nice and easy to do

loomx said:
Audio streaming still does not work for playing videos.
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After almost half year and MS still can't get this obvious bug to fix. The next update (Mango) will take another half year, and MS is totally silenced when it will get resolve (and who knows if that would be delay too base on MS's current pace). I am totally sick of it and finally have to leave the MS mobile camp after 10+ yrs relationship with MS (my 1st PPC device is iPaq 2210 and my last would be Samsung Focus).

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I have to say one thing, some apps really do load faster!! Max and the magic marker used to take an age to load. Now it seems to load in less than half the time.
I wonder if the delays to the update were due to manufactures including bug fixs for specific phones, which means following updates shouldn't be delayed

Is scrolling in 3rd-party apps better (i.e. not lagging like it is now)?

Not really, I feel like it might have improved slightly... but that might just be because I want it to feel faster lol

i also had some first Impressions of my new nodo
new voice command sound, also understands me very good now.
new htc theme color (nice green)
mozart camera has autofous now (kinda annoying does anyone else have sound feedback, like clicky sound?)
but it does great pictures now, 2 shoots, both perfect, maybe it was luck but it seems it working way better now..
autofocus in video has improoved alot, also recording quallity has greatly improoved in low light and its more stable it seems! yay!
office version 14.0
sharepoint workspace mobile 14 , is that new?
overall its breezing fast, you press it, it opens. awesome!

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After almost half year and MS still can't get this obvious bug to fix. The next update (Mango) will take another half year, and MS is totally silenced when it will get resolve (and who knows if that would be delay too base on MS's current pace). I am totally sick of it and finally have to leave the MS mobile camp after 10+ yrs relationship with MS (my 1st PPC device is iPaq 2210 and my last would be Samsung Focus).
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Where were you when Apple and Apple fanboys were bashing MS non stop. Nowhere. And now all you do is complain.
You should have been more supportive of MS before. You should have help defend then and spread the word.

strandoe said:
Is scrolling in 3rd-party apps better (i.e. not lagging like it is now)?
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The reason some third party apps lag is because they're badly coded, so no OS update in the world will fix this.

The KIN Twom and youtube

So ok here goes. I was playing around with the kin Twom and it's browser. So I went to the YouTube mobile site m.YouTube.com.it tries to play the videos but fails saying the phone can't play the video. Until one video. After clearing the cache and trying again sure enough it came. Right up. The name of the video was called lucky shot and it was the top favorites of the day. But it played. And played fine. Now I had no clue the kin could do this. So I tried youporn without any success but at the same time it sill attempts to play the file. Anyone else been able to get a video to play. I mean it looks like its supposed to but just not completed. Let's get to testing...
EDIT: I've been able to load some more sites. So I'm going to start a list of working video sites. Take into account that these sites only work when the planets are aligned and I'm assuming because it's the night of the super moon lol. But keep clearing cache and keep trying. The porn sites I list are only because there are very few mobile video sites that dont require HTML 5 or are device specific. So please don't judge me too harshly. It seems that 3gp and mp4 works for the most part.
www.porntube.com
www.YouTube.com
www.zoovision.com
mobile.traileraddict.com unbelievable quality near hd
m.revision3.com near hd quality fast site too watched an entire episode of destructoid
sap.splol.com/videos.html slow to load and audio is off?
Sites that don't work
m.comedycentral.com
m.funnyordie.com

Although i found the above quite interesting.. why dont you just post the link?.
You passed the no linkign limit and hell, just paste the vid id in other case.
How many "lucky shots" can be on YT? ****, it's not "a complex name that will identifiy a vid better" title...

I have watched lots of videos on Youtube. No problems at all!

Instead watching some *cough* porn *cough* on the Kin, a smarter approach would be to use wireshark or any wifi sniffer so you can get the MIME type of the request and response to the kin from this flash-usage websites.
Just because flash can have (much) more access to a filesystem that html and javascript.. you know..... ... and we can code flash and so.....

My kin plays videos fine. I've used youtube since I got the device. Occasionally it won't play the video. Or sometimes it is VERY laggy. At first I thought it was perhaps my internet connection but after trying it on my schools network(Which is business class and has download speeds of over 60mb/s) and encountering the same problem I decided it was the device.

johnkussack said:
Instead watching some *cough* porn *cough* on the Kin, a smarter approach would be to use wireshark or any wifi sniffer so you can get the MIME type of the request and response to the kin from this flash-usage websites.
Just because flash can have (much) more access to a filesystem that html and javascript.. you know..... ... and we can code flash and so.....
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I'm currently working on that now just to no avail. It looks like flash is completely ignored so I'm sure it's just using direct link MP4, M4V, or 3GP files and streaming those instead. Access to the file system (without bricking the machine) would be the most useful at the moment. Though I'm sure with as buggy as the firmware is it shouldn't be too hard to exploit the machine. It's just to get those who know what to do with an exploit into assisting us. Think about it. This machine is only $50 right now and doesn't require a data plan so it's essentially an almost smartphone that doesn't require a data plan. And if we can get android on it then it will be a smartphone without a data plan LOL. So I'll keep testing.
The reason I didn't post the link was I really didn't feel like hand typing the entire URL to the video when I found out very quickly while posting the video that quite a few other Youtube videos work just fine as well but it's really a crap shoot.

My Kin two m is terrible with videos. I've tried the wifi at home and work, both are fast networks, both are terrible on my kin. On youTube I get a second of video, 15 seconds or more of buffering. What's worse is that the videos don't even seem to cache so if you manage to stagger your way through a whole video and then start it over, it buffers its way through the entire thing all over again. The media player often freezes up my browser too. The other times the phone just says "PLAYBACK PROBLEM Can't play this video on the phone." For now I'm kind of giving up on watching videos on this phone.

Try clearing your Browser cache in settings and rebooting the phone. Also try mobile.traileraddict.com and let me know how your phone does there. If they play correctly then it's probably a localized YouTube caching issue. That just means that most videos you are attempting to view haven't been viewed much in your area. It happens with quite a few videos for me. It's the way that YouTube does it's video delivery service. The more people watch one video in an area the more likely it's going to be stored on a local node. It's also the reason some YouTube videos on your PC load quicker than others.

Heratiki said:
Try clearing your Browser cache in settings and rebooting the phone. Also try mobile.traileraddict.com and let me know how your phone does there. If they play correctly then it's probably a localized YouTube caching issue. That just means that most videos you are attempting to view haven't been viewed much in your area. It happens with quite a few videos for me. It's the way that YouTube does it's video delivery service. The more people watch one video in an area the more likely it's going to be stored on a local node. It's also the reason some YouTube videos on your PC load quicker than others.
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Hi! Thanks for the tips. I tried clearing everything and rebooting. youTube still lags like crazy. I didn't know that about the way youTube caches. That's a bummer. Just watched the Cars 2 trailer at traileraddict and it played all the way through, looked great too. Wish it wasn't so picky about where it gets its videos from, ha.

m.collegehumor.com doesn't seem to work. Gives a "This page cannot be displayed" message.

What I've found its....
From my experience on youtube with the kin 2, I've found that higher quality and longer videos (like around longer than 5-7 minutes) end up crashing the video player (or coming up with an error). I usually don't watch youtube on the kin for that reason (that half the videos I want to watch like minecraft videos don't work) but at least we know that the kin wasn't completely abandoned of youtube playback.

Antonpup said:
m.collegehumor.com doesn't seem to work. Gives a "This page cannot be displayed" message.
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Same for me.

pacermike said:
Hi! Thanks for the tips. I tried clearing everything and rebooting. youTube still lags like crazy. I didn't know that about the way youTube caches. That's a bummer. Just watched the Cars 2 trailer at traileraddict and it played all the way through, looked great too. Wish it wasn't so picky about where it gets its videos from, ha.
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I think it's the playback format provided by the site that's causing the most hangups. I'm looking into making a site that would essentially provide stream links to the MP4 480-720p formats that are provided by Youtube but not streamed to this device by default. The format should work and it's going to be based on ps3youtube.com which is somewhat similar (sort of). For now I'm going to check and see about m.collegehumor.com. Check and try the regular collegehumor.com and see if it automatically switches to the mobile interface version of the site. Let me know how you guys fair. I know most people are going to give up but I'll figure out a way we can enjoy the KIN Two to the fullest.

Heratiki said:
I think it's the playback format provided by the site that's causing the most hangups. I'm looking into making a site that would essentially provide stream links to the MP4 480-720p formats that are provided by Youtube but not streamed to this device by default. The format should work and it's going to be based on ps3youtube.com which is somewhat similar (sort of). For now I'm going to check and see about m.collegehumor.com. Check and try the regular collegehumor.com and see if it automatically switches to the mobile interface version of the site. Let me know how you guys fair. I know most people are going to give up but I'll figure out a way we can enjoy the KIN Two to the fullest.
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m.collegehumor.com is the mobile version of the site..

Antonpup said:
m.collegehumor.com is the mobile version of the site..
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Yup but I've noticed that if you go straight to http://collegehumor.com then it correctly picks up the device as a mobile and works just fine.

The device exports mobile description through IE data.
So in short, you can get the OS info from the javascript code.
Read only, and very briefly, all being said.

Heratiki said:
Yup but I've noticed that if you go straight to http://collegehumor.com then it correctly picks up the device as a mobile and works just fine.
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Nope. Sends me to m.collegehumor.com and videos don't play properly.