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Am I Nuts?

So... I really love Goog, and I DO like Android, but lately I've had this twitching to switch to a Pre Plus. There's things that I just like better about it.
Pros:
1) It's got a "prettier" UI
2) Multitasking ROCKS on the Pre.... (I feel it's better then Android)
3) Touchstone Charging ( DEF! Nice)
4) It seems a lot more polished in general
Cons:
1) Palm's current financial situation
2) Lack of Apps
What should I do? I know it's been asked before, but I read those threads and still undecided.
Help?
P.S. (I know I'm asking a Baltimore fan what he's favorite team is, but please try to keep fanboyism aside?)

Palm Pre and the WebOS are very pretty. But that's about it. It is now a severely outdated phone and even with Palm Pre Plus has bad hardware specs to current phones, especially the one in your hand (the Dinc). The Dinc and android are certainly customizable phones with an App Market that is growing at a substantial rate, it wouldn't make sense to switch to a phone that simply offers looks over usability. Since HP+Palm are in quite an odd position where they don't even release any new phones as of late, I just don't see the reasonsing to switch to a Palm Pre when you already have one of the best phones on the market right now.

Palm who?
I would wait to see what HP does with the company now that they own it.

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TheWhiteBandito said:
Palm Pre and the WebOS are very pretty. But that's about it. It is now a severely outdated phone and even with Palm Pre Plus has bad hardware specs to current phones, especially the one in your hand (the Dinc). The Dinc and android are certainly customizable phones with an App Market that is growing at a substantial rate, it wouldn't make sense to switch to a phone that simply offers looks over usability. Since HP+Palm are in quite an odd position where they don't even release any new phones as of late, I just don't see the reasonsing to switch to a Palm Pre when you already have one of the best phones on the market right now.
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The thing is, I already know all this (not offense to you at all) but the DINC does not have a cradle (I kid you not I have a LEGO cradle I made), so no easy charging, and the notifications in WebOS KILL androids which lets be honest are a very important part of a mobile system... I really wish multitasking was more intuitive, and finally, I hate having to use two different programs for email (corp and personal). These are really important things for me. If I could get all this in Android, it wouldn't be even a question, but I can't find apps or hacks to accomplish this. Been searching for a while now. I'm PRAYING that Gingerbread fixes all this

Well, ask yourself this.
Is going back to slower, older hardware and arguably lesser built phone worth it?
Can you honestly say that the Pre would make you that much more efficient, or with the CPU it has, get the job done any faster/easier?
Does it have the apps you would want, or are they available?
If HP pulls the plug, are you going to regret your decision?
Is there any app for Android that might make things easier for you to multitask?
TaskOS perhaps?
This is the stuff I would ponder before making the jump.

Mehhh, I'm not a fan of the palm devices at all. All they're doing is collecting dust at the Verizon store I work at.
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You are nuts. Android is so much better than palm. their are apps like quick desk and power control to help you get a better multitasking experience. You know android is moving up and palm is going down. by next year, android will dominate the smartphone industry and have twice as many apps. If you switch to Palm you will be sorry.

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(I feel it's better then Android)
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I'm thinking that questioning the ability of Android vs Palm is a symptom of an underlying problem...
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In a word, yes.

We agree: you're nuts.

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The thing is, I already know all this (not offense to you at all) but the DINC does not have a cradle (I kid you not I have a LEGO cradle I made), so no easy charging, and the notifications in WebOS KILL androids which lets be honest are a very important part of a mobile system... I really wish multitasking was more intuitive, and finally, I hate having to use two different programs for email (corp and personal). These are really important things for me. If I could get all this in Android, it wouldn't be even a question, but I can't find apps or hacks to accomplish this. Been searching for a while now. I'm PRAYING that Gingerbread fixes all this
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I'm pretty sure that I hated the notification system when I tried my friend's Pre. The notification system on Android is MUCH better in my opinion. Multitasking in Android also couldn't be easier...all you do is hold the home button and you see your running applications. Also, if you don't want to use two different programs for email, don't! Just turn off Gmail syncing and setup Gmail in HTC Mail, it works fine!

OP, I'm going to be in the minority here but as a former Palm Pre (Sprint) owner, I'll tell you what I liked and disliked most about it.
pro's
-beautiful display, the UI is stunning
-itunes sync (at the time it was the only non-apple device to offer this)
-webOS sync to computer was easy
cons
-got the "oreo" effect after using the phone for 2 weeks, hardware wasn't sturdy
-battery life was treacherous, extended batteries made the phone look like a mix between a penguin and a stone (a stoned penguin )
-while multitasking was efficient, it lacked the on board ram to really do alot at once. The Verizon version doubles the onboard ram and storage.
-the sprint version didn't offer an sd card slot, I'm not sure if the VZW does
I turned my pre in for a HTC Hero (a sprint eris basically) and enjoyed the Hero alot more. Then I dropped Sprint and got the Moto Droid, and now the Dinc.
For a polished product, android even 1.5, pwnd webOS. webOS offered a viable alternative to android, and at least it's not Microsoft.

Berzerker7 said:
Multitasking in Android also couldn't be easier...all you do is hold the home button and you see your running applications.
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This could be better in Android if they let you scroll through more than just the last 8 programs (or whatever it is in 2.2 now). How hard could it be? You'd hit home, and swipe sideways to see more icons. At least they should give us the option of never having somethings show up in this quick launch menu. I hate holding down the home menu and seeing settings, testing, etc.
The Pre does a bit better job with card view, but overall the phone is pretty slow and the screen is too small for my taste.

It is really sad that you couldn't make this decision on your own. I bet your significant other dreads trying to find a restaurant when you go out. It's really a very easy decision, unless you have like a gadget hoarding problem or something. I'd go back to my eris before I'd get a palm device.

anybody considering wp7?

wp7 will be hitting sprint shortly and i wonder how many evo users are considering jumping back to the dark side?
myself i won't even consider touching the platform until i can theme and customize it to my liking. maybe even be able to run android on it. plus remove that ugly UI.

I am I love that interface IMO from MCE to the zune HD but android will probably get ported to it so that would rock too. I just want something to work with a zune pass and better media options and sync.
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Played with one yesterday and it was pretty awesome. I played with the wp7 phone that had the slide out speaker. The biuld quality is much better than the evo and the phone was heavy as hell.
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I won't let myself talk myself into considering wm again. I stuck with wm since the 8125 up until the evo came out. I loved my tilt 2 and of course it looks like the new tilt is wm again. Although I like that form factor, I won't be jumping ship again. Especially with evo shift coming sometime, even though we really don't know much about t yet.
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I just cant get over how ugly it is.

i used one last night at work i have to say for being version 1 of the OS its smooth and very well done

Mactagonist said:
I just cant get over how ugly it is.
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That's what I thought too until I played with it. The device is really snappy and the transition from landscape to portrait was instantaneous. That was a major problem in WM devices of the past. The phone that I played with was the HTC Surround and it felt really solid. The device was heavy (I would say twice the weight of the Evo) but it felt really good. I have a preference for heavy phones so it wasn't a big deal to me. I think I may jump ship if a comparable device comes to Sprint.
I think from the app store standpoint you would see many cool apps with WP7. I also liked WM because anything you can do on a PC you could pretty much do on WM.

i would def consider it, I played with a HD7 and once a few updates come out it will be a powerhouse

Personally, I like the UI and the devices. Presumably the device that's coming to Sprint would be the 7 Pro, which looks like the touch Pro 2 I used to have, with updated styling and hardware. And I'd love to get native support for office docs back. So far I've tried a couple android apps for viewing and editing excel and word docs and they've all sucked. On top of that, I'm still missing my TP2's physical keyboard - swype's nice, but I'm nowhere near as fast with it as I was on the TP2. I guess even though I'm on android now, I spent enough time with WM that I'm still a bit of a WM apologist (and there ARE bright spots to WM - it's just that they're all outshadowed by all the development on the competing OS's out there).
But I don't think I'll be tempted - the lack of flexibility is a deal breaker for me. No sideloading, no installing non-market apps, no removable / hot swappable storage = unacceptable for my purposes
On the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised if I sell a lot of them to my customers once they come out. Right now all I've got for WM is the HTC TP2 and the Snap. we've got updated BB's and androids left and right, but there's a gaping hole in the WM lineup. And it looks like the locked-down approach that WM7 has taken should appeal to business use - the end users get a fancier handset that can do more fun stuff, but it's locked down enough that the IT guy doesn't have to worry about them screwing everything up.
I hope for MS's sake that it's not too late - in the last 6 months I've seen a ton of users move from WM and BB (mostly BB) to android. It seems the end users have wanted fancier phones for a while, and the IT directors are getting comfortable enough with android that a lot of businesses are changing their policy to allow for androids. and the lines I lose to the iPhone are predominantly WM and BB devices - we don't lose many EVO's and Epic's to the iPhone. WM and BB are really losing quite a bit of momentum.

F**K WP7, F**K iOS, and F**K BlackBerry. I love Android, I love my EVO, I love HTC, and I love Google. Enough said for my answer
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Wow. Got some dedicated people here. LOL. Anyway, WP7 look interesting, but I'm not jumping on it in its current "beta" form, if at all. For those who are completely loyal to an OS, I hope you're getting paid by, or at the very least own stock in Google or whoever owns your current OS. I'll never understand the mentality of a fanboy. I've been using Android for about a year, and I've yet to receive any money from Google. Seriously though, the only loyalty I have tying me down is the money I've invested in Android apps. I use Android because it's what I like best and what works best for me at this time. IOS worked for me for a while, but I got tired of the cat and mouse game with jailbreaking and Apple's whole philosophy in general. Who knows though? Maybe if WP7 really steps it up in the next 6 months or so, I'll consider a switch.

I'll be sticking with android. I'm hooked.

I'm a huge fan of Android, its the only OS that I never had a huge problem with. All if my recent phones have been Android powered. And I never really had a problem with HTC phones so I stick with them if I can. I wish I got paid by them or owned stock, but I have no problem representing what I like
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I like the look of WP7 wayyyy better than Android. Android is just... ugly. I've tried many themes, Sense, stock, etc. And none of it looks right.
Then again, Android is a much better OS than WP7. Especially because it is more open.

I had an HD7 for 2 weeks. I had switched from an iphone 3gs. The first day I loved the clean UI. It looked great and exchange email is the best of all 3 platforms (no shock here). But then things went downhill. The HD7 had deplorable reception, often losing the network indicator. The phone was poorly built, with the bezel on the right side coming away from the body. The dedicated camera button that i so wanted was total junk and had to be pressed with the edge of your fingernail. The screen was total garbage. I have never seen pictures look this bad on a modern smartphone. The camera was also below par. Finally I bored with the simple UI and returned the phone for an Evo.
WP7 could be the everyman's UI, its that clean and simple. But if you like doing any amount of tweaking, stay far away!

Oh, believe me, I'm not saying it's bad to be a fan of anything. In fact, it's good to know what you like and want. Like I said, I'm currently an Android fan. I just don't have any allegiance to them. It's the fanboy mentality I don't get. Same crap happened (and still does) with Xbox 360 and PS3. I own both, and the only reason I usually buy Xbox versions of games is because I prefer the controller, not because of an allegiance to Microsoft. That would just be stupid.

I would love to try it. I really miss WinMo =(. The way I could sync everything flawlessly via bluetooth (especially OneNote). *Sigh* I can't justify plopping another couple hundred dollars on a phone though. Boo!
At any rate, I agree with live2ride. It's just an OS and nothing more. Personally, I like to play around with different platforms, it keeps my inner geek alive. For those saying you can't install apps that aren't on the market? As long as you control the registry, you control the phone...just my two cents.

Its ugly I'm not diggin those big sqares, and Im not ready to walk away from all the apps I payed for on Android.
I bet anything a home replacement to emulate WM7 will surface sooner or later.

derekwilkinson said:
I like the look of WP7 wayyyy better than Android. Android is just... ugly. I've tried many themes, Sense, stock, etc. And none of it looks right.
Then again, Android is a much better OS than WP7. Especially because it is more open.
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stock vanilla is ugly but after you theme it IMO it looks 10x better than winmo did. you can basically make android look whatever you want it to look like.
im half tempted to try wp7 but im not sure if i want to give up on my evo. that metro UI has got to go.

I wouldn't touch any OS product from MS. I'll stick with Android or iOS.

Hey EVO users...... GET IN HERE!

How do yall feel about SPB Shell 3D? I think It's going to be better then adw and LPP put together. It's priced at $14 tho which is crazy!
I want to know who is using this already and who's not. I want to purchase it but I want some incite on this bad boy first. So tell me (if u use it) what do you like about it.
Thanks....
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Really cool concept, but I felt it got old and gimmicky after 5min with it. I returned it. Not worth $15 imo, but some people love it. There is a long thread in general about it.
http://tinyurl.com/4xuw3jq

jstalford said:
Really cool concept, but I felt it got old and gimmicky after 5min with it. I returned it. Not worth $15 imo, but some people love it. There is a long thread in general about it.
http://tinyurl.com/4xuw3jq
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That's kinda how I felt. I downloaded with 4share and played with it before uninstallin after 5 mins and deleted the apk off of the SD (that's how I do before I make a purchase if they don't have a trial or demo). I feel its early for it but dammit in s few months It's going to take ove'!
Imma go check that thread out too
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Yeah, I downloaded it, backed it up with Titanium and uninstalled it for the refund and restored from Titanium in case I wanted to use it longer than 15min to decide whether or not to purchase.
For $5 it would be a home run. For $15, better make me a sammich.

I didnt like SPB Shell 3D much, seems like a memory hog. I just got Regina Launcher, it seems pretty cool but not for me. Back to Launcher Pro again.

I tried to get on the beta for this back when I had my vibrant. Personally I like it. I guess it's something different. The $15 tag is a bit hard to swallow though.

I checked it out. Looks cool. But no demoware/trial. Fifteen bucks is hard to swallow with what a 15min return period.. I'll stick with GO Launcher for now.

DonSolo said:
That's kinda how I felt. I downloaded with 4share and played with it before uninstallin after 5 mins and deleted the apk off of the SD (that's how I do before I make a purchase if they don't have a trial or demo). I feel its early for it but dammit in s few months It's going to take ove'!
Imma go check that thread out too
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Pirate much! Lol but yeah its garbage.
~ d3rk

I played with it...some added features since the beta, like an app drawer, but it seemed okay. Still on Launcher Pro.

dirkyd3rk said:
Pirate much! Lol but yeah its garbage.
~ d3rk
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Exactly lol... I guess we have to wait until it gets better over the course of updates. But to the naked eye, It's the sh!t! Welp, you guys helped me save 15 dollars by switching my insurance to Gieco! Wait... I mean by telling me the real deal about SPB LOL... thanks
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I currently use it and I like it but I really wish I didn't pay 15 bucks for it. It beter smd with a new update or I will be dissapointed. I figured that it's so new it still will advance with future updates because in the couple weeks I've had it, its updated about 3 times. I think for 5 bucks it would be great but I can't help but feel that I wasted 15 bucks on a launcher, till I get a 3d phone that can actually take advantage of the 3d capabilities. In conclusion, I would wait for a price drop or something because it's nice but not worth 15 bucks.

TheSilverStig said:
I currently use it and I like it but I really wish I didn't pay 15 bucks for it. It beter smd with a new update or I will be dissapointed. I figured that it's so new it still will advance with future updates because in the couple weeks I've had it, its updated about 3 times. I think for 5 bucks it would be great but I can't help but feel that I wasted 15 bucks on a launcher, till I get a 3d phone that can actually take advantage of the 3d capabilities. In conclusion, I would wait for a price drop or something because it's nice but not worth 15 bucks.
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Wouldn't it have to have been designed with autostereoscopy in mind in order for it to be 3D on the upcoming 3D phones? Considering there are no phones with this capability out right now, I doubt that they incorporated the 3D technology needed into the software now. Even with the Evo 3D, it would look exactly as it does on your phone now.
Anyone that knows more about this can feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

My thoughts on switching from iOS/3GS to Android/HOX.

Hey xda,
So my last phone was a iPhone 3GS (16GB) that I used from October 2009 - April 2012. The phone did darn well and I've never had a phone that I've used that long, but again I never had a phone that expensive either before the 3GS. So iOS got damn boring, the phone got sluggish and there was something wrong with the sim card tray and the wifi hence I decided to pick up an Android phone which happens to be the HOX.
I've created this thread just to share my opinion on how its going on for me so far, how different it is using Android and the HOX. Keep in mind I am comparing a roughly 3 year old phone with the latest iOS to the HOX.
Honestly there isn't much I miss from iOS, maybe the ability to add more than 10 alarms(out of the box not talking about other apps), but thats all I can think of really. Maybe installous for you know what..
Android is just better than iOS in loads of ways, I'll list a few that strike me now and a few things I miss:
1)Setting a Custom Ringtone
This is a total pain in the ass in iOS. I would rather jailbreak my phone and get ringtones from cydia than make the mp3 I have a ringtone and connect a cable to phone and convert that cut mp3 to a ringtone file. Nonsense.
On the HOX I was able to trim a mp3 I had and make it a ringtone right off the phone, so convenient that is.
2)iTunes
I hate iTunes. I hate making my PC connect to my phone via iTunes and the whole sync bs that I've to go through. I like being able to copy paste songs, images and whatever I have than do all the crap required for an iPhone. I would use iTunes as a music player for my PC but thats about it, I hated dealing with it for my iPhone.
I know lots of people who "can't live" without iTunes, but I aint one of them. The best feature I like about iTunes is probably you installing a iTunes remote app to your iPhone and controlling your PC music off your phone via wifi, thats the best thing maybe.
Android is weird in a way though, I don't know if its now or it has always been this way but getting apps to your phone only via wifi? What if you don't have wifi? Play Store doesn't give me an option to download the app to my computer. iTunes and App store is better that way maybe.
3)Contacts
iCloud or whatever its called came to the iOS much much later than Android had their Google Contacts. Thats just too convenient. Besides who doesn't have a gmail account these days? And all you have to do to get your settings and contacts back is add your google account. Thats just too convenient. Android is a pure winner that way imo.
One thing I hate though is the really crap quality photos that get synced to Google Contacts and sometimes how Contacts isn't smart enough to link contacts properly.
Eg:I have [email protected] in my Gmail and Abc from my contacts. It will show up as [email protected] instead of Abc
4)Play Store
I mentioned not liking the fact I can't get an app on my pc and then transfer it to my phone, but one thing that I like about the play store is being able to start/queue app downloads on my phone without even touching it.
5)Lockscreen
Lockscreen for Android is just more productive. iOS added that camera shortcut recently. I think its sense, but its damn cool to be able to access any four apps I want directly from the lockscreen.
6)Alarms
I need loads of alarms to wake up, and iOS allowed me to put a lot of them. I used to have 30-40 a day. Sense/Android does not allow more than 10 out of the box.
7)Widgets
Its nice to have widgets rather than a whole bunch of apps to scroll through.
8)Music
I could access iPod or music in iOS just by double tapping the home-screen button twice. There's no such thing possible on the HOX.
9)Airplane Mode
Switching to Airplane mode was faster on iOS than Android. But thats something I can live with xD.
10)Hotspot
Creating a hotspot was easy for iPhone 4 or 4S but wasn't possible on the 3GS unless you got an app from cydia called myWI. Thats just ridiculous imo. Setting a iOS restraint on a older device.
11)Keyboard
Even though the screen of the HOX is huge compared to the 3GS, the iOS keyboard has a bigger spacebar to tap on. With the stock keyboard on the HOX I kept missing space and hitting '.'.
But then again Android you can choose amongst so many keyboards without any hassle. I used swiftkey and now I'm using swype, both are awesome imo.
12)Customization
There’s lots of customization possible on Android, with or without rooting.
Things I miss about the 3GS:
1)Silent Button
This was just awesome imo, every "phone" should have this.
2)Battery
It did give me much more battery life than the HOX smaller screen or not.
3)Top-notch Hardware?
I used, fiddled and played with the Silent button on the iPhone a lot for around 800 days and it was still perfect. The lock button was good too.
The home button wasn't responsive after a year or so but still very usable towards the end. The sim card tray was cheap and messed up towards the end.
But I dropped it a LOT of times and even in small puddles of water I remember and it survived all that.
The HOX on the other hand, has this weird buzz/noise after a haptic feedback response. There's a rattling sound if I shake the phone. One corner near the capacitative panel was creaking in the beginning, seems fixed or maybe I don't notice it anymore. I dropped the HOX once and there's this tiny crack in the corner. I really hope it lasts me at least 2 years.
4)Heating or rather Cooling
I played a lot of games on my iPhone, it did get a little heated after gaming for 30 minutes straight or so but thats it.
HOX gets so heated after using a browser on 2G for 20 minutes? Also gets heated while gaming. Gets heated so much that it doesn't charge, thats just a complete annoyance to me.
Besides I have to choose between charging my phone and using my phone, thats damn stupid. I've read that the 2.05 leak fixes this, I'm on ARHD 7.1.0 which is based on the leak and I've still faced the heating problems.
I know its packing a quad-core in such a slim device there isn't much space for cooling but then again if heating problems like those are to be faced then this chip Tegra3 doesn't belong in a phone.
5)Speaker
The speaker on the 3GS was placed at the bottom edge whereas the One X has it’s speaker placed at the back which is quite easy to block. The speaker placement and quality of the 3GS was undoubtedly better.
6)Charging Speed
3GS charged faster than the HOX. I’ve read the 2.05 base it charges faster, have yet to see that.
7)Software Support from Manufacturer
3GS is probably the only iPhone that will get 3 updates it came with 3 and got updates to 4 and 5 and is getting a update to 6 too. I doubt I’ll see that much from HTC.
What I like about the HOX:
It would have been easy to figure from my above statements that I like Android better than iOS, now its time to list a few things that I like about the HOX.
1)Camera
I love the Camera on this thing, I’m not a pro photographer or anything but the camera on this is really awesome. And it has a flash, my 3GS didn’t have a flash but my phones before the 3GS did so that was pretty odd.
2)The Screen
The Screen is just gorgeous on this. Its a pleasure to watch videos or look at pictures or use the internet. Most impressive.
3)Body
I like the matte body of the HOX and how solid it feels. The only gripe regarding the body would be the protruding camera lens that is easy to scratch. I haven’t put on a screen protector yet as I’ve read most of them don’t cover the screen completely because of the curved edges.
4)micro-USB port
This is a really really handy thing because not everyone I hang out with will have a iPhone charger, but most of the phones have a micro-USB port so theres a good change of finding that at a friend or relative’s place.
5)Quad-Core Fast
I love the speed of the HOX, I doubt I will ever feel it becoming sluggish. I plan to underclock/undervolt it to get more battery life once I figure out how.
6)32GB
26GB but yea, its a huge plus to have that much data storage.
7)Dev and Community Support
It feels really really good to have so much support from this awesome xda community and developers. One of the really good parts of getting this phone is the awesome support and multitude of custom roms, tweaks and mods available.
8)THD Games
I’m not a fan of games on touch screen phones anymore unless its an arcade game, but THD powered games are a plus no doubt, just doesn’t matter to me.
Things I wish are fixed with the HOX would be heating problems and better battery life. I’m going to try undervolting to get more battery life once I figure out how. But thats it. I’ve been taking good care of the phone, have ordered a Rock TPU case for it.
Thats it guys. Thank you XDA for all the support and more that will come.

That was a nice objective comparison, thanks.
With regards to updates, Apple have produced 5 phones in 5 years, it's easier for them to produce updates for longer. I think HTC are going to be producing fewer phones now, maybe that will help.
You'll find the community here will create updates for a while, I think the One X is going to have a large, active community for quite some time.
Personally I don't have the overheating problems that some do, been using the phone for an hour and it's barely warmer than the back of my hand.

Hi
Just a couple of things I picked up on:
You can add a widget (there a several of them supplied by HTC which are just buttons essentially) which will allow to switch flight mode with one button press. There is also a profile button which will lot you switch to silent or vibrate mode easily as well.
Regards
Phil

You're right, it is easier for Apple to get out updates more than HTC or others but it is something I'll miss i.e Official Support
But then we have awesome devs here so all is good

PhilipL said:
Hi
Just a couple of things I picked up on:
You can add a widget (there a several of them supplied by HTC which are just buttons essentially) which will allow to switch flight mode with one button press. There is also a profile button which will lot you switch to silent or vibrate mode easily as well.
Regards
Phil
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Hey Phil,
I know about those widgets, I'm using them. Still switching to Airplane mode is slower i.e the time it takes for all connections to go off is slower vs airplane mode on iOS (or atleast what iOS shows)
And regarding the widget for silent mode, I'm using that too . Just nothing beats a hardware button to put your phone on silent mode.

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Hey Phil,
I know about those widgets, I'm using them. Still switching to Airplane mode is slower i.e the time it takes for all connections to go off is slower vs airplane mode on iOS (or atleast what iOS shows)
And regarding the widget for silent mode, I'm using that too . Just nothing beats a hardware button to put your phone on silent mode.
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We can using the volume keys I know it's not the same but technically near enough, it is good though I've got the same button on the iPad and although useless for that device pretty cool you can switch quickly.
But plenty of widgets available to achieve the desired result.
Good write up on both OS's. Both have their pros and cons and it's good to see no fanboy bashing of either device.
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thank you for the senseful and nag free comments

Thanks for that honest and fair report.
Just picking up on your comment regarding Google compressing image backups.
I recommend getting dropbox that will automatically backup your photos without any compression or alteration whatsoever.
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You can customise till you drop on Android devices. For example with a custom rom like viperX, you can customise the buttons for example long press home and you can assign an action or even launch an app, or just use apex launcher or nova launcher no root needed for these and you can apply gestures, so swiping up can open the music app. I find these gestures very useful for my commonly used actions, I've got swipe down to show me battery, swipe up to open my music, etc and you can even put gestures on the dock icons.
That will give you back some functionality you had with the double tap home button on iOS.
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I think if a person is kind of more than an casual user - want to study how to root, install custom staff..., would love android more. If he just picks a phone from store, then use it, better to take iphone

Thank guys. I was going for a unbiased opinion.
@nikzdhd
Yea the silent button works as a orientation lock for the iPad so its damn handy.
I'll try to get some gestures running soon, there was a similar thing on iOS after JBing it, called Activator. My Android Journey has just begun haha xD
@hamdir
Anything about the One X has to be 'sense'ful imo
I'm not the type to bash on this device without any reason. I love the One X. Despite the haptic feedback noise and stuck pixel I'm not that keen on getting it exchanged.
@stuart001
Dropbox will backup my pics with the same quality, that I've seen but I was talking about how the Photos I snapped with my phone and assigned to a contact get converted or compressed when synced with Google Contacts.
@1phuong
You're right about picking an iPhone if you're not going to mess around with it and want out of the box functionality. Thats why I even recommend iPhone over Android phones to people who aren't that keen on f***ing around with custom roms and kernels to get more out of their device .i.e if they're not geeks
However there are still loads of people who are geeks but go for iPhones either because of their fanboyism or their ignorance to how cool Android is.
Beyond a point there isn't much you can do in iOS but Android is just awesome. There's loads more of messing around I have yet to do. Undervolting is one of them xD.

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Thank guys. I was going for a unbiased opinion.
@nikzdhd
Yea the silent button works as a orientation lock for the iPad so its damn handy.
I'll try to get some gestures running soon, there was a similar thing on iOS after JBing it, called Activator. My Android Journey has just begun haha xD
@hamdir
Anything about the One X has to be 'sense'ful imo
I'm not the type to bash on this device without any reason. I love the One X. Despite the haptic feedback noise and stuck pixel I'm not that keen on getting it exchanged.
@stuart001
Dropbox will backup my pics with the same quality, that I've seen but I was talking about how the Photos I snapped with my phone and assigned to a contact get converted or compressed when synced with Google Contacts.
@1phuong
You're right about picking an iPhone if you're not going to mess around with it and want out of the box functionality. Thats why I even recommend iPhone over Android phones to people who aren't that keen on f***ing around with custom roms and kernels to get more out of their device .i.e if they're not geeks
However there are still loads of people who are geeks but go for iPhones either because of their fanboyism or their ignorance to how cool Android is.
Beyond a point there isn't much you can do in iOS but Android is just awesome. There's loads more of messing around I have yet to do. Undervolting is one of them xD.
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really awesome given that you dont even use this device for its gaming power even!
i always have trouble with iOS people and that is they fail to see the bright side and just nag about the lack or imperfections of the things they loved the most on iOS
and i tell them if you want it exactly like iOS why did u even switch..

There is a reason behind not being able to download an app to your pc and then sync it to your phone. The compatibility filtering is done by the play store, so if you have one phone with hw keyboard and one without hw keyboard you'll be able to install an app which requires hw keyboard (or specific screen size, or whatever) on both phones regardless of their compatibility. If you have filtering on the pc, then you'll have to have an Android iTunes equivalent and noone wants that, right ?
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really awesome given that you dont even use this device for its gaming power even!
i always have trouble with iOS people and that is they fail to see the bright side and just nag about the lack or imperfections of the things they loved the most on iOS
and i tell them if you want it exactly like iOS why did u even switch..
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Well the main problem with most 'iOS people' lol xD is that they're the type to believe that Apple cannot make a mistake whatsoever and "It is the best". Wrong that attitude is. Its not only iPhones, its these Apple Fanboys in general. There are these rich pricks who who'll go get a 15" MacBook Pro to do what? Surf the web, make word docs and ppts max.
On the other hand if a person into video/graphics editing comes and asks me if an MBP is good, I give them a go ahead because of the kickass softwares that OSX has for them such as FCP etc.
Coming back to iDevices, 4S was horrible upgrade. Old design with a new camera, processor and a beta voice assistant, no thanks.
They're running out of innovations imo. They shoved a retina display for their new iPad and even the MacBooks. Wtf really? I had no problem whatsoever with the iPad 2 display(used a friends iPad 2 quite a bit). It was gorgeous imo, they didn't need to make it retina. Same goes for the MBP, didn't have a problem with that display either. Maybe its the lack of Steve Jobs but Apple has failed to impress me lately. iOS6 doesn't seem that great to me.
HTC really upped them by coming out with this beautiful design that is the One x . They should have put prettier packaging though xP

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There is a reason behind not being able to download an app to your pc and then sync it to your phone. The compatibility filtering is done by the play store, so if you have one phone with hw keyboard and one without hw keyboard you'll be able to install an app which requires hw keyboard (or specific screen size, or whatever) on both phones regardless of their compatibility. If you have filtering on the pc, then you'll have to have an Android iTunes equivalent and noone wants that, right ?
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That makes a lot of sense. Thank you. But they still should give an option to custom filter out a .apk from the online play store maybe?
I'll tell you why I'm stressing on this. I wanted to download this game which was around 500mb in size and I didn't have wifi then, all I had was a 2G plan on my phone and access to internet via ethernet. Downloading off 2G would have taken ages and 3G consumption would have set me back by quite some money. It made sense to get the .apk from the comp and then transfer it but I couldn't.

You could have always used internet pass through?
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That makes a lot of sense. Thank you. But they still should give an option to custom filter out a .apk from the online play store maybe?
I'll tell you why I'm stressing on this. I wanted to download this game which was around 500mb in size and I didn't have wifi then, all I had was a 2G plan on my phone and access to internet via ethernet. Downloading off 2G would have taken ages and 3G consumption would have set me back by quite some money. It made sense to get the .apk from the comp and then transfer it but I couldn't.
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No app will ever be 500 MB What you need to do is download that app (around 10-15 MB) and it will download data that goes into SDcard. You can download that data from PC too if you know what to search

death__machine said:
Well the main problem with most 'iOS people' lol xD is that they're the type to believe that Apple cannot make a mistake whatsoever and "It is the best". Wrong that attitude is. Its not only iPhones, its these Apple Fanboys in general. There are these rich pricks who who'll go get a 15" MacBook Pro to do what? Surf the web, make word docs and ppts max.
On the other hand if a person into video/graphics editing comes and asks me if an MBP is good, I give them a go ahead because of the kickass softwares that OSX has for them such as FCP etc.
Coming back to iDevices, 4S was horrible upgrade. Old design with a new camera, processor and a beta voice assistant, no thanks.
They're running out of innovations imo. They shoved a retina display for their new iPad and even the MacBooks. Wtf really? I had no problem whatsoever with the iPad 2 display(used a friends iPad 2 quite a bit). It was gorgeous imo, they didn't need to make it retina. Same goes for the MBP, didn't have a problem with that display either. Maybe its the lack of Steve Jobs but Apple has failed to impress me lately. iOS6 doesn't seem that great to me.
HTC really upped them by coming out with this beautiful design that is the One x . They should have put prettier packaging though xP
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no im a fan of all this retina push but not in the case where they fail to produce the same ipad2 game graphics on ipad3 due to the massive amount of pixels, like one reviewer said if this happens in ps/xbox land where the new machine fails to run the game of the previous gen in the same quality, it would be a disaster
everything you said about apple people is true and its really sickening and tiring, in life you have tons of choice in every consumer thing you purchase
every product has its ups and down, yet iPeople they gather in the corner all holding the exact same thing and giggle at everyone else
its insulting, spoiled and ignorant
apple products their presnesation and videos, have some sort of psychological effect or something, the elite thing
believe me i have no problem in trying iPhone 5 if it was worth it but i wouldn't simply because i hate to be part of that group and accept the monopoly Apple is aggressively pursuing, its almost like dictatorship
mac book pro, same old same old since ages now, the lack of "change" is seriously boring, and why is originality and "change" something that the critics consider in their review, a perfect game might get a bad score for not being new or original and yet in the apple land, its not an issue

@CoSaWa What do you mean by internet pass through?
@realunited123 yes the app was small, but the download that the app had to do was 500mb or so .. I tried looking for .apks, but it was too much work or maybe I didn't look in the right places.

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@CoSaWa What do you mean by internet pass through?
@realunited123 yes the app was small, but the download that the app had to do was 500mb or so .. I tried looking for .apks, but it was too much work or maybe I didn't look in the right places.
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Internet pass through : Connect your phone to PC, select internet pass through from notification bar. Lets you transfer data through PC network.

Getting bored of android

Im posting this here since its the phone I currently own. I used to love android but now ever since my dad gave me an iPad, I'm thinking to myself iOS is not as bad as I once thought. I've been playing games on it and iOS has far better games IMO and you can't theme android unless you know what you're doing or have a nonstock launcher. Anyway I don't wanna turn this into an iOS vs android debate. I just wanna know what I can do with my sgs3 to make it better being rooted stock (not into flashing roms anymore) would love to know to theme with touchwiz being my launcher and maybe some good apps and games? Thanks guys you all do such great work

http://www.androidpolice.com/tags/games/ You can use sites like android police which run a lot of apps/games reviews, which is what i love about the site. If you're bored with Android over games then you only have what iOS give you, what i mean to say on Android you can run emulators etc. If you really like the games on iOS then get a iPod Touch, that's one route. If you're bored of Android overall, you will get bored of iOS even sooner, the novelty runs off when you realize although the apps my look prettier essentially the functionality of their Android counterpart is the same.
edit: Also check out post like this form AP:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/09/29/xx-best-new-android-games-from-the-last-2-weeks/

You mean you can't make your own themes unless you know what you're doing? Because it's fairly easy to customize it once you know how. It does take a lot of time though... but have you check out the available themes? There are many launchers to play around with. You should really explore more. Although you said you've used androids for awhile... i don't think you even scratched the surface.
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Go the next chapter: LEARN ANDROID. There are endless possibilities once you've got the ins & outs of the Android platform.
Once you've done that and understood how the platform works...its time to get into development.
There are so many things you can do with Android...and no its not just theming. Lol.

Work on your app drawer
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Oh trust me I've tried like almost all launchers at one point that was available at the time. I've always went back to stock which was sense at the time. I just like stock and hate how you can't theme touchwiz .i mean you can but I have no knowledge in doing so and don't have much time to sit and figure it out ATM. And you're right back when I had the touch diamond I tried the iPhone 3G and got easily bored with it. I guess eventually the iPad will have same result. Thanks for the replies.

Same boat here. I starting to get bored of android. At times I'm jealous of the apple ecosystem. I mean I don't game much but finding a decent pair of headphone that is fully conpatible with this phone is a pain in the ass
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Theming isn't that hard either. I've been able to theme without even knowing much about how it even works just by changing images. The way I've sort of figured out how to do it is using root explorer. I'll download a rom that is themed and I'll unzip the systemui.apk and basically just look through the images there. Based on the locations of particular images I'll know where to put new ones. Framework-res.apk also has stuff to look thorough add well as lidroid-res.apk. It's not original stuff but I can manage to cherry pick stuff to make my phone look the way I like. Usually changing toggles and batteries. Eventually I'd like to look into how to really theme or maybe even dev, but for now I'll leave that to the experts

Funny, I've been thinking about switching it up to IOS lately as well. Except in my case, it's not so much about being bored with Android. For me it's the need to stop spending so much damn time messing with my phone. Recently I've started looking at the iPhone's inability to easily customize IOS and install other ROMs/themes as a real positive. It would be nice to once again have a phone that I just look at as a productive tool than a toy to mess with.
After being an avid Android user for the past 3 years, some days I really do miss the simplicity of my old iPhone.

I have a curiosity with the upcoming HTC 8X. I have invested quite a bit of money on Android but I like new toys too.
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Are you seriously saying android, an Os that you can do way more customizing to than ios, is getting boring and you want to change to ios? What a contradiction smh
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Try MIUI Launcher.. See what that does for you...

As far as time spent on Android modding and so on. I agree. Apple does tout productive. And it is, to a point. My father in law is a wedding photographer. He uses Apple computers when he needs to edit some. Though he does not need an iPhone for that, it is nice to have most of your hardware from the same company so that the eco system feels complete.
To those on Android that feel like it consumes to much time in doing so. My suggestion is to use a little self control with your devices. I will attest to that being harder than said. But, it is doable. If you need to mod, then do only necessary or central things such as rooting to get useful apps to work. Some home replacement apps have the ability to save the state of setup. Technically this does not have to be such a daunting task, take a couple of days to do this. It doesn't have to be a one day consuming event.
Nowm the one thing that thw iPhone lines have over Android phones is the super wicked frikking awsome accessories hands down. Actually infuriates me at times. The SGS3 should have the same by now. It is on almost all carriers. Oh well, regardless Android rocks. And that is because the Devs that support our phones kick but. You want to talk about time consuming? Devs spend uber amounts of it on thesenphones for us. And the don't ask to get paid for it. And they have jobs and family's like we do.
Also, the act of even having thus tech no matter it be Android, Apple or any other. That in it self is time consuming. I say lets shut down the whole computing and electrical industries and start from scratch. Just live off the land. Essentially, we do things to stay alive. So get rid of all unnecessary things. You will save a bunch of time. Time is only relative to how you spend it. If you live your life to truly better others and your own lives. Then you will not waste any time. Time is only wasted when you and those around you are unhappy.
Ok I'm done, I just went into this long dissertation on life relatively. Sorry.
I just flashed the latest ROM five minuets ago and am finally getting thirty hours of battery time! This is sick!!

So this might be a short story
Back in 2010 I got into android,I wanted to save money left att and got me android phone (htc hero )I actually really like it , 2 months later the evo was announced and I got it the day it came out,now the phone changed everything love the big screen, éclair was good but froyo came out a few months later(yeah the update only took htc few months) and since I had rooted my hero I decided to give it a try on htc evo 4G, rooted and started flashing away, sometimes as bad as 3-4 roms a day. Only rom the would last me a week would be warm 2.2(myn recognized developer) and I got tired of it, didn't have more problems with money I got an iPhone 4 like it but hate it the notifications, switch around 4-5 android phones and by the end of 2011 I was tired of flashing and looking at xda every minute of my life, on October 14 last year I got my 32gb iPhone 4S, got rid of my gs2 (hated the slow camera) And evo 3D. The iPhone last it me a while, when out the country, love the app selection and the pic quality, nothing IMO was better, but htc releases the one x and I like the phone a lot but is on att exclusive so I didn't get it, the gs3 gets announce and I didn't like the whole nature UX crap, plus I was worried about the camera. Sprint gets the Galaxy Nexus and I went to check it out, I ended up buying it, love the phone but hate it the network and the camera... Evo LTE comes out and I got it as well, I took it to Mexico for vacations love the pictures and the screen is just amazing, but sprint here in vegas got overload, speeds sucks... Decided that I wanted to switch networks, I decided to get tmobile a try and get the one s, really slim and nice looking phone but storage sucks and screen was crap compare to 4s and the evo lte, I decided to switch to the gs3(even tho I didn't like it at first) because of the screen resolution and the extra memory, one month ago I was in the same spot as you, the new iPhone was about to get announced I wanted something that was useful and I didn't want to mess anymore, decide to go back to stock(not root). Really like the speed of the phone, great camera, etc. But I couldn't find apps, the play store sucks at that sometimes, on launch day I got me an iPhone 5 and is the best looking phone I ever seen. Not matter what anyone says the phone just look stunning, once I set up my iPhone from icloud I get all my apps and settings back to how I used to have on my 4s it amazes me how good apple could be with some stuff. Didn't like the OS same row of icons from 2007 :/ returned the phone and decided to keep my gs3, plus all my apps had black bars because it hasn't been optimize for the new display. Going back to the gs3 I'm still dealing with apps problem, I asked in the forums and people gave me some good responses, i started using app Aware and looking around the web. Now I have a lot good apps and games that I thought android just didn't have I'm happy with the phone and enjoy it, I think one of the biggest problems with xda members is that we keep flashing the phone too much and it feels more like a task then enjoyment. That's my point of view just enjoy your phone. You can go ahead try iPhone, trust me you going to be excited but who wouldn't is a new phone but at the end I decided to stick up with Android. Google ics changed a lot of the bad things and jellybean as well, I'm excited to see what the next update will have
Sorry for the long post... I might have some mistakes, kind of sleepy when I wrote this...
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Is this thread serious?
The beauty of Android is not in simplicity, it's in the ability to choose simplicity if you so desire.. without being forced to.
Perhaps some people can't help themselves and spend hours every week customizing their phone. But that in itself is not an OS issue, it's a self control issue.
Saying that the iOS's restriction on customization would make you more productive is the equivalent to thinking that being in a straight jacket would keep you from using drugs. Of course it would, but it does not address your specific personal issue.
Don't blame Android for your own lack of discipline. Seriously, that is one of the funniest/saddest things I have read on this forum.
I have spent countless hours playing around with customization. When I got bored of it, I simply set up my phone to be the productive tool that some are claiming makes iOS better. Eco system? I have multiple devices from different manufacturers and everything works seamlessly. Yes, it takes more intellect to figure out everything since you pretty much don't have to do anything to make iOS products interact. In fact, they do all the thinking for you. You and your wife have iPhones? And an iPad, and Mac? Great! When those pictures you took automatically sync to every device you own, you can share everything you have in your phone with everyone in your household.. whether you want to or not. Of course, there are safeguards you can set up to prevent certain things from happening, but OH NO - you would have to learn something and spend some time customizing your setup.
I have a Samsung Galaxy S3. I have a 55" LG 3D Cinema Smart TV. A Phillips Bluetooth/Android docking stereo. A PC running Windows XP. I can stream my entire music collection through my TV's wireless Bluetooth surround sound system. Or I can stream my Google Music collection through my Phillips Bluetooth stereo/dock, wirelessly or plugged in. I can control my TV from my Galaxy S3, just like a remote control with the LG Smart Remote app from the Play Store. I can stream locally stored music and videos from my S3 to my TV. I watch Hulu/Netflix on my phone, my TV, my PC. I can plug in my phone to my TV via HDMI adapter to watch my Google movies. Or I can watch my Vudu movie collection through my TV. I've barely scratched the surface.
My phone is running Jellybean (CM10), Google Wallet, and Apex. I have no icons anywhere on my home screens. I pinch my home screen and I'm taken to my text messages. I double tap it, file browser. One finger swipe up? App drawer opens. One finger swipe down, status bar. Two finger swipe down, camera. Two fingers up, Quickpic gallery. I pay for stuff by putting my phone against a paypass terminal everywhere. Grocery stores, 7-11, multiple fast food joints, Macy's, CVS, soda machines, gas stations, etc. My facebook feed and news both on separate full screen scrollable widgets. I talk to Google to find out what's going on with the Chargers/Dodgers. I tell it I'm hungry for a specific type of food and it shows me exactly where I can go and which one's the closest. The weather is in my status bar. My phone tells me how long it will take to get home from work, what kind of traffic there is, how many minutes to my favorite lunch spot - without even asking it.
Please tell me what is more productive than that. And I haven't even listed all the things I do with my phone, not even close.
Oh and as for games, I'm sorry.. did we forget about Grand Theft Auto 3? Modern Combat? NBA Jam? I could list another 20 bad ass games on Android, but I'm actually getting tired of typing. Maybe I should have just swyped this all on my phone's keyboard, since Android can do that...
Have fun with your iOS.

IOS is for the small dogs! Android is for the big dogs!!!!" Its that simply!!!!! Who agrees?!
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