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I`m a Kaiser Owner, and looking at the Rhodium as a possible upgrade, but like many others here I`m sure, I`m concerned about iffy video performance. HTC really seem to have dropped the ball on this one, my experiences of the Kaisers video have made me wary.
Anyone heard any feedback on this topic? Anyone with a pre-production model give us a heads up?
For example, could the Rhodium play a 640*480 WMV video without dropping frames?
Same processor as the old TP must mean same video issues, right?
I had Kaiser, and with the right encoding & software video was absolutely fine! I don't know what all the complaints were about.
The Xperia can handle full resolution video pretty well if encoded correctly, and I'm sure this will be the case with the TP2 as well, as the hardware should be powerful enough to do it.
I can't comment on the Touch Pro, as I haven't used one. The TP2 has quite a high-res screen, but I'm sure it'll be fairly easy to get a decent video experience from it.
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I had Kaiser, and with the right encoding & software video was absolutely fine! I don't know what all the complaints were about.
The Xperia can handle full resolution video pretty well if encoded correctly, and I'm sure this will be the case with the TP2 as well, as the hardware should be powerful enough to do it.
I can't comment on the Touch Pro, as I haven't used one. The TP2 has quite a high-res screen, but I'm sure it'll be fairly easy to get a decent video experience from it.
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I think they made the drivers for the touch pro better didnt they? the 3d ones? so if they did yeah it will be VERY good if they do that for this to which I bet they will if they did for the old one
Won't be burned again!
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I think they made the drivers for the touch pro better didnt they? the 3d ones? so if they did yeah it will be VERY good if they do that for this to which I bet they will if they did for the old one
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To my knowledge nothing has been improved with the drivers for the touch pro. I have a Sprint TP and video sucks on it. Some ppl have messed around with 3d drivers with various levels of success, but nothing official has been done. There's a whole sticky thread at PPCGeeks on TP video playback tips:
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=57282
So far I haven't really got anything to work for me reliably. What ppl fail to realize is that having a bigger/better screen is only going to make things worse if the hardware/drivers aren't improved. 320x200 video played fine on my Touch and probably would be fine on my TP, but going to 640x400 is 4x the resolution.
Unless HTC improves the 3d/video drivers, the TP2 is going to be as bad or worse than the TP because it is the same stinking hardware. I was so disappointed that the TP2 is just a rehashed TP which really has no better hardware than the Touch--just better screens w/o the greater horsepower to drive them.
I hope I am wrong about this and the TP2 video and graphics are awesome, but I certainly will not upgrade to it until I am certain the situation is improved.
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To my knowledge nothing has been improved with the drivers for the touch pro. I have a Sprint TP and video sucks on it. Some ppl have messed around with 3d drivers with various levels of success, but nothing official has been done. There's a whole sticky thread at PPCGeeks on TP video playback tips:
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=57282
So far I haven't really got anything to work for me reliably. What ppl fail to realize is that having a bigger/better screen is only going to make things worse if the hardware/drivers aren't improved. 320x200 video played fine on my Touch and probably would be fine on my TP, but going to 640x400 is 4x the resolution.
Unless HTC improves the 3d/video drivers, the TP2 is going to be as bad or worse than the TP because it is the same stinking hardware. I was so disappointed that the TP2 is just a rehashed TP which really has no better hardware than the Touch--just better screens w/o the greater horsepower to drive them.
I hope I am wrong about this and the TP2 video and graphics are awesome, but I certainly will not upgrade to it until I am certain the situation is improved.
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wow then check this out u might be able to get alot more out of your touch pro but I am not sure because I have a kaiser
http://www.fuzemobility.com/the-new-3d-drivers-are-here-with-video/
Link278 said:
wow then check this out u might be able to get alot more out of your touch pro but I am not sure because I have a kaiser
http://www.fuzemobility.com/the-new-3d-drivers-are-here-with-video/
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Thanks for pointing that out. I am going to try them and they will probably help some, but I had already heard about it and for the most part they only address part of the problem.
If, and it's a BIG IF, HTC fully optimized ALL the drivers for the TP2, then it could be quite a bit better than the TP. Given HTC's crappy history I would have to have it thoroughly proven to me before I would believe it. However I am hoping against experience that it will be the case.
Maybe this is one of the big reasons why they stuck with much of the same hardware. So they could optimize everything. Hopefully.
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Maybe this is one of the big reasons why they stuck with much of the same hardware. So they could optimize everything. Hopefully.
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I really hope you're right because I never thought of that, but I heard the new touchflo is alot smoother
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I`m a Kaiser Owner, and looking at the Rhodium as a possible upgrade, but like many others here I`m sure, I`m concerned about iffy video performance. HTC really seem to have dropped the ball on this one, my experiences of the Kaisers video have made me wary.
Anyone heard any feedback on this topic? Anyone with a pre-production model give us a heads up?
For example, could the Rhodium play a 640*480 WMV video without dropping frames?
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Hello, I would have to say that the video quality is 100% better than the TP. I have been watching full videos with NO quality loss in sound or video. I was using the Sprint Touch Pro and was not very happy, but the TP2 is perfect. I can even get 2 full movies out of one charge!!! I have been watching a lot of DivX movies the same ones I watch on my PC, with no issues (well, except each one takes up about 700MB.)
The set up I have been using is, CorePlaer and the D3D Driver. DivX player works well also, but the text gets very small due to the resolution. Hope this helps!
Core player
Video quality is great with core player. Watched 2 movies on my TP2 today and it was very good with great frame rate. And I could use higher res mp4 movies if i wanted to and still keep 100% playback so i havent even pushed it yet. Totally recommended.
I can play a 800x480 AVC encoded movie with aac+ audio at ~1.2Mbit without any hiccups through HTC's video player. Coreplayer on the otherhand can't come anywhere near handling this. Looks damn good too! I used MEGUI with AVC Zune settings to make the video from a bluray movie. It's about 1GB in size.
curious
Just curious why the video player thats built in will play only some of my mp4 files? Thats one of the reasons why I went with coreplayer was because most of my mp4 movies would play a green screen with audio on the built in player and wmp.
Anyone know if TP2 has the same qtv video hardware acceleration?
I'm surprised nobody has posted anything about qtv.
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=57282
I have a TP and mp4 video plays flawlessly through HTC album because it has the proper qtv drivers. My problem has been with playing divx in coreplayer with the reverse engineered qtv driver. I was hoping that HTC would drop qtv in the TP2 so that I could play divx in a player with proper video drivers. Does anyone know if HTC still uses qtv in the TP2?
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Just curious why the video player thats built in will play only some of my mp4 files? Thats one of the reasons why I went with coreplayer was because most of my mp4 movies would play a green screen with audio on the built in player and wmp.
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MP4 is a file format that supports a few different video codec. Mostly like the green screen means the video codec isn't supported by the player. I would highly recommend these days to encode the video with H.264 as the video codec. This codec is the standard supported by all major companies these days, Apple, Adobe, MS, etc. Some video cameras like the Sanyo Xacti also captures video natively as MP4 (H.264) so there is no need to encode the video.
And TP2 plays MP4 (H.264) video well both in HTC Album and WMP.
Hi,
I'm in a bit of a dilemma. I currently have a 16GB Omnia which to be honest I have been quite happy with. It's only my second Windows Mobile Phone and I upgraded from the the Original HTC Touch. When I got the Omnia I was more than happy with both the quality of the music playback (through headphones) and the DIVX/XVID support as I consider them to be second to none, really great quality. I always hated the hiss of the orignal Touch when playing MP3's and the Omnia is pretty close to a standalone MP3 player.
There were however a few things that pissed me off over the Omnia. One was the odd screen resolution which made certain programs either not run at all or display in a distorted fashion. Then there was lack of a stylus (unless you attached it on the side) which I really missed as I think it is still needed in various programs. The screen res was not great or responsive either. Biggest thing I missed was a D-Pad needed to play so many games etc..
Now I had set my hopes on actually jumping ship and getting an Iphone. I'd spent hours looking on Youtube at the apps and thought some of them were fantastic. I liked the idea that all apps should work on the phone without all the tweaking that is often needed on Windows Mobile. However when I saw the price announced yesterday as much as I want it, it is incredibly expensive and now out of my league.
Now I'm thinking of the Touch Pro 2. It seems to have great reviews so far. I will mainly be using it for Media (MP3's and playing Xvid TV/DVD Rips) and surfing the internet. Also I need Isilo ebook reader and Comic Reader Mobi to work out of the box. Do you think the Touch Pro 2 is a big enough jump from the Omnia in terms of compatibility and performance or will it still have lots of incompatibility problems. Are you missing lack of a D-pad? One thing I wanted to ask is can you play many games that previously needed a D-pad by using the pull out keyboard and re-assigining keys - is that a workaround?
Any advice would be really appreciated.
I was Onmia i900 16GB Unlocked user before. In my opinion, if you don't need a slideout keyboard and a bigger screen like me. Your Omnia is no different than TP2. Your omnia can do everything TP2 can do :> except, those i mentioned earlier and of course if you have extra bucks to spend :>
I will be still happy with my omnia if it has the slideout keyboard and a bigger screen. Otherwise I won't get the TP2 :>
Too bad, I checked out the future omnia successor I9000 or HD still dont have slideout keyboard. that is why i switch to TP2.
like it was said previously very different form factor. tp2 is a true all rounder and you wont have any problems watching xvid/avi videos as you can install tcpmp or coreplayer(corecodec). you will not experience any incompatibility issues as the tp2 is complete and versatile. also the future of rom dev on this device will be exciting and wm6.5 and hopefully wm7 will offer so much more. comparing an omnia to tp2 isn't really the best thing to do mate just need to ask yourself what do you want from your phone! if you want a keypad and bigger more vibrant screen then tp2 is your boy but if you prefer the form factor of the omnia then consider a td2. the list of software available for windows mobile is impressive and they will all be compatible with tp2. basically you need to have a play with the tp2 and decide from there. not much we can say to influence what you decide as i may think tp2 is better and others may disagree. this may actually cause you more confusion than help.
"Your Omnia is no different than TP2. Your omnia can do everything TP2 can do"
Radiowc, I know the Omnia is already a capable phone. But is the Touch pro not faster and more responsive?
shingers5
I've enjoyed reading through yor posts. When you mentioned the other day you were walking through Liverpool with the device I was going to track you down to have a look as I work in town. I hear what you are saying about the form factor and to be honest I do like the Omnia/Touch Diamond styling but with my big hands I may benefit from a hardware keyboard. What also attracts me to a hardware keyboard is the fact that virtually all Windows mobile phones are coming out with either no Dpad or a crappy one like on my Omnia. As I asked earlier is it possible for the keyboard to compensate for the lack of D-Pad/hard keys to play games/emulators etc... I have Coreplayer/TCPMP on the Omnia and it's great but had heard of the HD having problems with TCPMP so I thought this may be the same with Touch Pro 2. Also heard horror stories on Touch HD forum of choppy playback etc playing back videos. Now I won't be playing anything back other than 700 or 350mb avi files (mainly xvid) that are DVD or TV Rips I download, nothing high definition. Do you think I'll have a problem?
meddleuk said:
"Your Omnia is no different than TP2. Your omnia can do everything TP2 can do"
Radiowc, I know the Omnia is already a capable phone. But is the Touch pro not faster and more responsive?
Well... I will say yes... but not so obvious... like super fast :> of course with the extra internal memory ... now you don't have to worry about it will ran out of memory so fast like i used to be.. looking all over samsung omnia forum on how to move the internal program to My Storage folder like other omnia's user do :>
Good Luck :>
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meddleuk said:
"Your Omnia is no different than TP2. Your omnia can do everything TP2 can do"
Radiowc, I know the Omnia is already a capable phone. But is the Touch pro not faster and more responsive?
shingers5
I've enjoyed reading through yor posts. When you mentioned the other day you were walking through Liverpool with the device I was going to track you down to have a look as I work in town. I hear what you are saying about the form factor and to be honest I do like the Omnia/Touch Diamond styling but with my big hands I may benefit from a hardware keyboard. What also attracts me to a hardware keyboard is the fact that virtually all Windows mobile phones are coming out with either no Dpad or a crappy one like on my Omnia. As I asked earlier is it possible for the keyboard to compensate for the lack of D-Pad/hard keys to play games/emulators etc... I have Coreplayer/TCPMP on the Omnia and it's great but had heard of the HD having problems with TCPMP so I thought this may be the same with Touch Pro 2. Also heard horror stories on Touch HD forum of choppy playback etc playing back videos. Now I won't be playing anything back other than 700 or 350mb avi files (mainly xvid) that are DVD or TV Rips I download, nothing high definition. Do you think I'll have a problem?
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corecodec coreplayer though similar to tcpmp player is far better. playback is amazing and i managed to get hold of an already reg version for free on here. crecodec version has a facelift and youtube player integrated withing it. works very well with tp2. haven't used the tcpmp player on it. don't really think kepad can compensate for d-pad but to be honest i dont think you will miss it. other guys who felt the same as you have prev posted that they do not miss the d-pad at all. video playback on tp2 is even better than my x1 using coreplayer. clearer smoother playback. seriously you will not be disappointed
edit: with our big hands you will defo find the tp2 to your liking.............my reason for getting rid of my omnia was that the touch input was not the best, scrolling was very bad and that screen rotation was too moody. i did however cunstomise it with tf2d at the time and liked it a bit more. tp2 is a defo an upgrade in performance and usability from omnia.
I switched from an Omnia which I've used for 7 months I think, and I've never been more happy with my TP2...
If it were a question between the Omnia HD and TP2... then it might be a hard choice. Even though i liked the first Omnia... The TP2 is a very different device.
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Check out my in-depth review of HTC's Touch Pro2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgTjS...e=channel_page
Go for the brilliant TP2 along with the great XDA support!
I have to admit after switching from the Touch to the Omnia I've missed the support from this site. Modaco was the only place I could check out for rom development so it would feel nice to have a HTC back in my hand.
From what I have heard the Video playback seems to be ok for what I'm looking for. Does anyone have an opinion on the quality of the music playback through wired headphones. As I mentioned the original touch had an annoying hiss during playback that was very noticible during quiet or acoustic pieces of music. At the time I did a little research and lots of people told me the problem was due to a cheap sound chip used in HTC devices at the time including the Elf and the Kasier. When I moved to the Omnia the sound was so much better, Ipod quality, in fact someone told me that Samsung made the sound chips for Apple.
How does the Touch Pro 2 compare, any issues. Or a direct comparison to the Omnia. The Omnia playback is excellent regardless of the software (Kinoma/Pocket Player/Coreplayer).
Thanks for your advice guys. I've taken the plunge. Just ordered TP2 from MobilesPhoneDirect on T-Mobile Combi 30+ Web & Walk 18months at £34 a month. Great deal!! Just hope it comes tomorrow as they told me they are waiting for a courier to deliver new stock this afternoon.
I'm really excited and it will be great to back here on XDA with you guys!!
I don't know what I'm gonna do... After giving my TP to my daughter, I got an I900 Omnia for myself for use on ATT. Don't miss the 3G, but I did miss the keyboard at times, especially since to most observers the omnia was "just a phone". Now, the TP, and most importantly the Tilt, was a "mini-computer" (Impressive!!). So the tilting screen on the TP2 is enticing. But the TP2 not having a scroll-wheel, or even a d-pad, or something like that, is holding me off, cuz I did miss that on the Omnia, even though I lived w/o it.
I'm afraid the buttons are disappearing, never to return...
Hi,
I am a Kaiser user, and as you know HTC launched that product with incomplete drivers. Video acceleration drivers were included, and video playback is worse than on most phones; even the ones that are MUCH cheaper.
So one of the BIG questions that most Kaiser / ATT Tilt / TyTN II users will have when considering an upgrade is whether the drivers on the HTC Rhodium are complete, whether video acceleration works perfectly, etc.
Can those of you familiar with the driver problems on the Kaiser, and who own a Rhodium reply to this thread telling us what is the driver situation with this model?
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so far things are ALOT better .. but they still act up on things like fpsece it is still that terrible qualcomm cpu just a slightly newer one.. im hoping that since this is one is new there is still alot to come for it especially with windows marketplace around the corner i would blame windows mobile but i played with an omnia today and the lack of bugginess blew me away but its no where near as pretty as my tp2
bump.
Anyone got tips on whether or not to get one of the touch pro 2's? god I dont want an iPhone but media is the biggest thing I'm looking for in my next phone.
tbh you dont want an iphone then. its low res and not capable of many vdeo formats, videos must be "synced" and are easily deleted by apple software. the rhodium also has a nice tilt screen great for watching videos.
I really like the tilting screen my current phone is the TyTn II and my only complaint is the video performance. A jail broken iphone plays all media types via VLC media player so thats an easy fix. But I'd really rather have the Tilt 2 I just need it to not be the gimp multimedia device that the Tilt is.
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I really like the tilting screen my current phone is the TyTn II and my only complaint is the video performance. A jail broken iphone plays all media types via VLC media player so thats an easy fix. But I'd really rather have the Tilt 2 I just need it to not be the gimp multimedia device that the Tilt is.
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IMHO (yeah that dangerous acronym), I've noticed that the TyTnII/Kaiser and the Rhodium are more for business users not recreational users. My partner has an iPhone and I've played with it a couple times. When it came to upgrade my Kaiser, I considered the iPhone as a possible upgrade, but chose the Rhodium/Tilt2.
Why? iPhones do real lousy with Microsoft Office apps, no hard keyboard (I'm fat fingered enough thanks), and a dependence on iTunes that I find frustrating. I've also found several apps that will allow me to convert between iTunes format and standard MP3/wma. Besides, as far as I know there are no cool roms that take advantage of the power of the iPhone.
I think this phone would be superior to the iPhone in every way if these stupid bugs didn't exist. How many just exist for texting? From random message lag to the damn thing freezing for several minutes when you back out of a text. The message box can be all screwed up, too. And all of this happens way to frequently.
core player works fine for me. i watch all types of video. the tilty screen is good for it.
so it seems that from what yall are saying; if I'm not in it for office documents and all i want is to watch my cartoons and make phone calls/texting (I have skinny fingers ) the iphone still beats out the tilt 2.
HTC makes such a sweet looking device, but man they really need to get away from qualcom, and poor video acceleration.
there a video acceleration drivers out. I attached a version i use below.
SmarterThanMyPhone said:
so it seems that from what yall are saying; if I'm not in it for office documents and all i want is to watch my cartoons and make phone calls/texting (I have skinny fingers ) the iphone still beats out the tilt 2.
HTC makes such a sweet looking device, but man they really need to get away from qualcom, and poor video acceleration.
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i dont use it for documents. i just said i use it to watch videos.
I've been playing with my buddies tilt 2 today he just got it on saturday, the video is LEAPS & BOUNDS better than my tilt, but its still not as smooth as the video on a 3gs.
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I've been playing with my buddies tilt 2 today he just got it on saturday, the video is LEAPS & BOUNDS better than my tilt, but its still not as smooth as the video on a 3gs.
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except when you play something like divx on an iphone. then the video playback sucks so bad that the movie doesnt even play.
divx lol. avi ftw sir.
My TP2 playes mp4 (H.264) very nicely, full screen.
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so it seems that from what yall are saying; if I'm not in it for office documents and all i want is to watch my cartoons and make phone calls/texting (I have skinny fingers ) the iphone still beats out the tilt 2.
HTC makes such a sweet looking device, but man they really need to get away from qualcom, and poor video acceleration.
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I'd not say the iPhone beats out the Rhodium/Tilt 2, but I will say that the Rhodium/Tilt properly tweaked and free of AT&T bloatware is a media match for iPhone. But then again, I'm a business user who watches a lot of video on my Tilt 2...hehehe...and one has to admit, a slideout hard keyboard and tilting display is a good feature for those of us who don't have thin fingers...<chuckle>
This is my first andoid phone, but i am by no means a noob..I just wanted to know what you guys thought was the best video player app for android..i find the default one very lackluster
I would say RockPlayer. It plays most formats in pretty darn good quality.
I also suggest RockPlayer. It plays my DivX/XviD and mkv files great.
(Posted from my HTC EVO using Tapatalk for Android.)
I havnt used rockplayer but if I didnt already buy yxplayer id probably try it out first. Either way yxplayer is awesome and you can check it out before buying it.
Def,ly Rock player, this is one of the best I've seen. Like jcjr81 said, this bad boy plays almost everything you throw @ it, a must have app for your video files...
I have a question for the developers (im not one):
Though the KF doesnt have a built-in mic, it supports an external one for audio recording. Ive been using Android devices for a little over two years, and have tried a number of audio recoring apps on them.
There are a number of stereo microphones available (from Belkin, Tascam, Blue, etc) that allow high-quality stereo recording on ipods and iphones. There are a number of apps available for recording on Android, but the quality of the recordings is not great. Why is that? Is there something inherent in the Android platform that does not permit hi quality recording?
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This link might enlighten you a bit. Along with extremely poor audio-latency it would seem that audio recording is also problematic. Strange to find this in an audio device such as a phone eh?
Thanks; I actually used to use the Rehearsal Assistant app. I posed this same question to the developer of J4T, which is a very cool Android multitrack recording app, and I just got his response:
"One reason might be that the best recording quality that is supported by most Android phones is mono, 16-bit pcm, with samplerate 44100. So to make sure a recording app runs on most most android phones, the developer should probably use those numbers and not go any higher.
But it also means it's possible to have android phones that can record at much higher quality, and maybe they are out there. But that capacity may go unused, because the apps are developed for the 'average' phone.
Perhaps on other platforms the 'average phones' have higher bitrates and samplerates.
There are actually 2 ways to do audio recording on Android, but I'm not familiar with the other way (where you can record to AAC or AMR format). Perhaps the quality using those codecs is better than PCM, I don't know.
Please don't take this as a definite answer - this is just a guess from my perspective, maybe a manufacturer (or the Android team) would give a different answer."
I've been using a Belkin Tundtalk stereo microphone with a 3rd-generation ipod nano to make reharsal recordings of my rock band; the quality is actually very good. It records in wav format, stereo, 16-bit pcm, with samplerate 44100. So, outside of the fact that Android records in mono, not stereo, the potential for decent quality is there. The lousy quality must have a lot to do with the cheesy microphones used in the Android phones. If I could find a decent quality mic that would work with my Android phone (or with the Fire), I imagine it would make a big difference.
Yeah, from what I know about Android audio going the other way, the audio-latency issues, Google really managed to screw up on a bunch of levels. The audio app market on the iPhone is pretty big and they just haven't stepped up to the plate for developers from what I can see. I see a few apps coming out like AudioSketch that claim to have custom low-latency audio drivers, but that one isn't available for the Kindle Fire so I really can't say. But, sorry, I am digressing. I'd be curious as to see what results you get from your experiences.
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Perhaps the quality using those codecs is better than PCM, I don't know.
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This man doesn't now a thing about sound encoding. PCM is uncompressed audio format so it have smallest use of CPU and it has best quality. Only problem is that is space-hungry in comparison with other codec's.
In audio, whole system is good as the weakest thing in it. You need good MIC, you need good MIC input, you need good audio driver and you need good recording app. If one link in this chain is inadequate resulting sound quality is on level of that poor part.
Hey, just a thought but you might be able to turn your question into a free Kindle Fire if you were so inclined.
Buffet_of_Lies said:
Hey, just a thought but you might be able to turn your question into a free Kindle Fire if you were so inclined.
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Now that you've brought it to my attention, I AM so inclined! That's for letting me know.
I posted my question there, and after about an hour it was Closed as "not constructive" lol.
As I said, I'm not a developer. Even before I posted the question here I googled the subject and haven't been able to come up with a definitive answer as to why this is so. I would think there would be a huge market for after-market microphones for people to use on their Android phones (as there is for iphone and ipod). If I was an iphone fanboy, this would be my first argument against Android - crappy audio recording!