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[Q] Good non-Sense Froyo ROM?

I got me a Desire from Telus a few days ago and i'm looking into rooting and installing ROMs, but i'm not really sure where to start (there seem to be a LOT of choices). I'm not a fan of Sense at all so anything that doesn't include HTC's fluff will probably get my attention.
Thanks!

im currently running opendesire...
pretty much stock 2.2 with a few tweaks, really quick, and no crap.
either that or defrost which is more tweaked and modded.
these are the only 2 active aosp roms that i have seen lately..
the crappy sense ones have kind of taken over

CM Wave said:
I got me a Desire from Telus a few days ago and i'm looking into rooting and installing ROMs, but i'm not really sure where to start (there seem to be a LOT of choices). I'm not a fan of Sense at all so anything that doesn't include HTC's fluff will probably get my attention.
Thanks!
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I'd strongly recommend OpenDesire . It's basically vanilla froyo, with a few minor modifications/optimisations. It's compiled from source (it isn't a mod of a nexus one or HTC rom), and so is fast and clean. It's also being updated regularly in response to bug reports.

How's OpenDesire with battery life? Would I see an improvement or would it be pretty much the same thing?

I'm having the same "problem" really. I now run some near to HTC's stock Froyo rom. I'm sure I found it on XDA somewhere but it wasn't from a well-known dev.
I only installed a rom with Sense because of the black bar, since I purchased LauncherPro. But now that the black bar is ripped perfectly I don't see a reason not to run OpenDesire.
All I want is speed and good battery life.

I think that if i didnt care for the sense UI id first try Cyanogens rom...

I'm running CyanogenMod's nightly build on Desire and I really love it.

CM Wave said:
How's OpenDesire with battery life? Would I see an improvement or would it be pretty much the same thing?
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With OpenDesire 3.1.0 and lates radio X.X.20 I got 2-3 days of battery life depending on the use of the phone. Normally I have 3G enabled almost 80-90% of the time.

Which is better : OpenDesire or DeFrost ???

Yes too bad so few NON SENSE ROM....

deepakoffline said:
Which is better : OpenDesire or DeFrost ???
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Hmmmm, good one, not sure to be honest, the 1st ROM I tried was DeFroST, and loved it, a few days ago I tried Opendesire 3.10, and now I bounce between the 2, as I can't decide.
No help I know, but had to give my thoughts.

deepakoffline said:
Which is better : OpenDesire or DeFrost ???
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Was using OD from version 2.xxx up to 3.1.0 but switched to Defrost 2.6a for two reasons:
1. Auto brightness is working (like in Sense ROMs) i.e. not too dimmed and that's out of the box.
2. My photos/videos taken with the camera app are recognised by my PCs and so can be transferred. In OD unfortunately cannot be seen.
Both ROMs are great vanilla stock like froyo an in my opinion the best ones. Try them both and stick to the one you like more.

AzureusPT said:
With OpenDesire 3.1.0 and lates radio X.X.20 I got 2-3 days of battery life depending on the use of the phone. Normally I have 3G enabled almost 80-90% of the time.
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Yep I have the same experience with OD3.1.0 and radio .20, I did download a weather widget from the market and it sucked the life from the battery, so got rid of the widget, all good now. Had no probs with the OJ dying yet, so cant comment on the power usage once the OJ dies.

Running OD 3.1 too
Love it and really see no use for the Sense UI on Android due to the availability of widgets.

Just question: why isn't MODACO present on XDA?
there's also one more ROM...
[FROYO-OTA] Psychosis 3.0 No Sense Deodexed A2SD+ AdBlock VERY FAST 720p

Are there any ROMs that offer undervolting or a specific focus on battery life?

CM Wave said:
Are there any ROMs that offer undervolting or a specific focus on battery life?
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Undervolting made my desire go wobbly, but not everyones. Defrost was and is doing lots of uv, uvoc, and oc ing.
Hope it helps
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CM Wave said:
Are there any ROMs that offer undervolting or a specific focus on battery life?
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Not that i know of.
Having tried leedroid, defrost, shadowfrost, opendesire, nextsense and neophyte id have to say opendesire has very good battery life compared to the others. Defrost is the most snappy, but it drains the battery like a mofo.

The_limit said:
Not that i know of.
Having tried leedroid, defrost, shadowfrost, opendesire, nextsense and neophyte id have to say opendesire has very good battery life compared to the others. Defrost is the most snappy, but it drains the battery like a mofo.
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I found the opposite, DeFroST seems to last longer than OD on my phone.

[Q] Sense rom vs non sense room?

What's the advantage and disadvantage of both roms?

hope this helps: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=823228
short: sense is bloatware^^

mad-murdock said:
short: sense is bloatware^^
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I have two Desires, one running Sense and the other running CyanogenMod.
My "primary" device is my Sense phone, but due to an SD card problem last week I had to switch to using my CyanogenMod phone as my daily device as I didn't have time to sort out the other phone until the weekend just gone.
The long and short of it is that I am back to using my Sense phone because I think that the experience is better. Whilst CyanogenMod and similar ROMs may well be faster, IMHO this is only really apparent in benchmarks and not in general use.
That's not to say that CyanogenMod doesn't bring a lot of nice stuff to the table (much of which should be rolled back into AOSP IMO) - just that I personally find that Sense is just a more pleasant user experience, and because of this I can't see that it is "bloatware".
Regards,
Dave

Sense = owns all (IMO)

I've got the same opinion like Foxmeister...Cyanogen might be faster but you can't really notice the difference between Sense and non-Sense Roms in everyday-usage. Cyanogen (and other AOSP Roms) are only better in Benchmark Test like Quadrant...And I think Sense is a great User Experience and makes using the phone much easier...

It's down to personal taste, no one can tell you which one is better, you'll have to find out yourself through experiencing both types of ROMs

Thx guys~ i'll just stick to my leedroid 2.2e, love it...
Can any1 guide me into a thread or website explaining radio & kernel in android term? and how to install/flash it? is it by using rom manager? thx in advance...

EddyOS said:
Sense = owns all (IMO)
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DomiKamp said:
I've got the same opinion like Foxmeister...Cyanogen might be faster but you can't really notice the difference between Sense and non-Sense Roms in everyday-usage. Cyanogen (and other AOSP Roms) are only better in Benchmark Test like Quadrant...And I think Sense is a great User Experience and makes using the phone much easier...
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how is your battery life fellas?
I used to loose 50% everyday with minimal usage

Tried Modaco not bad, but wanna try more, so i tried leedroid 2.2a, was very good, fast and stable, with launcher pro, then wanna try out non sense rom, because many said that it's faster, so i tried open desire, auto brightness seem to be a little too dark, get back to leedroid 2.2b, then don wanna give up on non sense rom, tried defrost again, turtle photoframe work slow when i change to other photo, some photos don even show up... get back to leedroid 2.2e... some how i found out that leedroid is faster than those non sense rom, y? i never use linux, sux at hacking, and love gaming (angry bird rocks!) and web surfing, i guess sense rom is better for me... wanna try cynogen but give up on non sense rom... leedroid is the best rom for normal user like me...

This is too general a question. there are many different builds of sense ROMS and many builds of ASOP ROMS.. they are all different. you can't really compare them as "sense vs non sense".
To put it simply you cannot compare them as a whole category.

celestialspring said:
how is your battery life fellas?
I used to loose 50% everyday with minimal usage
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Currently using a MoDaCo R9 ROM.
23h 21m since unplugged and 60% battery left, though the phone was in airplane mode from around 11pm to 7am.
I didn't use the phone heavily yesterday, but did make/take a few phone calls, send/read a good number of emails, surfed the web, and listened to a bit of Spotify, so I'd definitely say my usage was more than minimal.
Regards,
Dave
P.S. <PEDANT ALERT> Argghh!! My pet peeve! Use of the word "loose" when what is really meant is "lose"! </PEDANT ALERT>

I'm on the HD port from robocik and it just rocks...FB/Twitter/weather sync every hour, bit of WiFi/Angry Birds every day, Gmail as and when I get an email, few calls, few txts. Off charge at 7:30am and put back on at around 11pm with about 40% left

Sense vs. Non-Sense is a preference. As mentioned rightly, many of the ROMs in both categories will work just as good for a specific user. But there are some distinct differences between them without a question. After months of testing with no real favoritism or devotion to some dev, I prefer some Sense based by a big margin on many fronts (Stock by nickiberli and teppic, LeeDroid, RCMix). And quite honestly, I haven't till now used any ROM with my full setup that was clearly and noticeably as fast and smooth as the RCMix v0.11 (except for the dirt slow restart/start).
RCMix v0.11 battery life is indeed good (I don't see it any worse than HTC 2.2) and the Battery Info section now reports the usages far more correctly. But it is still a beta work on many fronts. No cam or vid playback is too great a major issue for a smartphone. I mean, even apps like Nvu, Smart Compass, Cam Card, Document Scanner, Shop Savvy, Surveyor, Barcode Scanner, etc, won't work as they should due to this. It should be a cracking ROM once they can get these issues fixed.
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Which Sense-based ROM is the "best"?

So far I've been using Revolution HD, but now I wonder if there are other ROMs that may have interesting things to offer.
I read the ROM's threads and I find it somewhat hard to decide based on those posts. Almost all say they are stable/fast/zipaligned/deodexed. Maybe there isn't that much difference between the custom Sense-ROMs?
LeeDroid sounds interesting, as does CoreDroid, but so does Revo HD...
So maybe those of you who are using custom ROMs could say why they use their specific ROM. I know there's no "best" ROM, but I guess everybody has a reason for their choice. I think it'd be interesting to hear.

Rcmix hd, because it's clean and near stock. Only real mod is the deodexing. The more the messing the more the chance of unforseen problems.
Sent from my super slick Android device.

bur2000 said:
So far I've been using Revolution HD, but now I wonder if there are other ROMs that may have interesting things to offer.
I read the ROM's threads and I find it somewhat hard to decide based on those posts. Almost all say they are stable/fast/zipaligned/deodexed. Maybe there isn't that much difference between the custom Sense-ROMs?
LeeDroid sounds interesting, as does CoreDroid, but so does Revo HD...
So maybe those of you who are using custom ROMs could say why they use their specific ROM. I know there's no "best" ROM, but I guess everybody has a reason for their choice. I think it'd be interesting to hear.
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Sorry to say but when you start on this flashing stuff you are going to spend a lot of time anyway. Trust me . I have tried out many of the ROM's and mostly they are all good. They all have a touch from the cook though. My advice is to try for yourself. It doesn't take more than 10 mins plus and you're set to go on a new rom.
Asking us will just give you answers pointing in different directions. I hope that you can use my advice. I know that its probably not what you wanted to hear but that's just my opinion.
Anders
Sent from my Desire HD using XDA App

Yes, I know there's no way around trying for yourself. But it'll take some time to decide whether a ROM is good or not. You'd probably need to use the ROM for a couple of days.
But since there are many ROMs maybe the selection can be thinned out a bit by advice of other users. What would you suggest I try if I'm looking for a clean ROM where the changes are mostly under the hood. From browsing through the forum it seems Revo/Leedroid/Coredroid/Rcmix are fitting that description. Any other suggestions?
And I read in some Sig that Revolution HD was best performance and Leedroid best battery usage. Is that really the case?

Its a personal choice! LeeDroid all the way!

Well, I think the best thing to do is trying out the different roms and see what works for you.
I personally prefer the Revolution HD rom, but that doesn't mean that it's the right one for you

Revolution HD, LeeDroid and CoreDroid are the ones I've tried so far.
- Revolution HD is the one closest to stock which is both its' strong as well as its' weak point.
I have the strong suspicion that I might be doing sth wrong in its' case but with this ROM I always lose the "places" and "latitude" apps. On the other hand I notice I also lose them with every ROM (including the stock one) if I do a Factory Reset the "normal" way.
- LeeDroid is the one I tend to gravitate the most on because it's got that sth extra without being extremely heavy. Still too much bloat for my tastes though...
Works great though!
- CoreDroid is the one I like the most aesthetically (i.e the theme work they do) and they seem to be the ROM most on the bleeding edge.
However, I also got the most bugs out of all the ROMs I tried including the WiFi not working at all (turned out I needed to flash a different kernel manually), the battery draining EXTREMELY fast (not sure why, I didn't change any settings coming from the other two ROMs), the GPS navigator and an added Weather&Clock widget just crashing when called, as well as their own add-ons sending the phone on a BootLoop.
The "last straw" of sorts was today when I picked up my phone after a night that it auto-updated only to find the freakin' Market missing altogether!
In all honesty, CoreDroid would be the one I'd prefer if they could just get it to work right...
(P.S. interestingly enough, ALL three of them released a new version of their ROMs today so take all that I said earlier with a grain of salt as I can't know what bugs were squashed or whether any new ones were introduced).

I like leedroid the best. I installed it the day I got my phone. It's mostly stock, but with a ton of under the hood optimization. Ever since lee started doing his own kernels the phone has been getting quicker each release. And while there are kernels that score higher in benchmarks, general usage feels way snappier on lees kernels.
Been running leedroid roms for 3 months now, and nö issues to report
Automatically generated by my LeeDroid powered DesireHD

CoreDroid HD v3.1 + LeeDroid v2.2.2 Custom Kernel Combo. Enough said.

Leedroid for battery life-Revolution for benchmark...
But every couple of days there are updates!This is nice or not?i think is better to use my CWM once a week,but thats roms life...

I like Core Droid the best, Sergio has been working hard these past days releasing update adter update to please everyone, and 99% of times he has done.
Battery life for me is amazing, performance is as smooth as butter, and Sergio is a theming god.
I also use LeeDrOiD's kernel, because it is perfect for me.

I have only used the Android Revolution HD rom, but this is a great rom, the battery time is good, and its easy to install and all the "crap" apps are removed.

I've never used leedroid as I've only used rev hd, but better battery life sounds good. What's the main difference between the 2 or 3 roms?
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They are different flavors of the same ROM (well, until recently at least, now CoreDroid is at version 1.84 which does away with some problems I had with the stock 1.72 as well as all the ROMs based on it) so it's not THAT extreme (nothing like flashing CyanogenMod) but there are subtle differences.
Personally, I like the blue theming of CoreDroid the best but they also tend to be pretty bleeding edge, better to let a ROM mature a little first, the Revolution HD ROM is the one closest to stock and the lightest of the bunch but LeeDroid's strong point is their very heavily optimized kernels with very frequent updates.
They have no custom theme but there is a lot of effect-based eye candy (like transparencies and flying-in message boxes).
Honestly I like all three for different reasons and keep switching between them on a pretty regular basis, so far I like the CoreDroid the best but I just keep going back to LeeDroid for stability and long battery life!

[Q] So which rom do I use?

First of all hello to the people of XDA Desire HD thread.
I'm in unfamiliar territory.
I used to own a Milestone and thanks to its "awesome" bootloader there were very few roms to chose from. After dropping and breaking it I had to buy a Huawei u8500 (due largely to monitory issues) and there were even fewer roms for that.
Well now I have gotten hold of a hand-me-down Desire HD
I managed to downgrade and root it breaking a lot of sweat as I'm very unfamiliar with HTC rooting and modding. The gingerbread it came with had WiFi issues. Very poor range.
Anyway, I lost my jaw on the floor seeing the huge number of Desire HD roms on XDA and I don't know which one to use. I do not want hop from rom to rom. I just want to flash one and use it day in day out. I know you guys hear this all the time but I wanted to hear from you on a personal note which one I should use.
My priorities are:
1. Has to be very very light on battery consumption. Huge screen, a processor from Ferrari, and just 1230mah is worrying me. I need to go through each day (that's 24 hours) without having to think about charging it. The rom has to be very light on standby.
2. I don't like the HTC phone apk...after a few days of use I feel like calling someone with the Desire HD is the most difficult thing to do with this phone. All the other stuff can be done seamlessly, just not calling someone . May be I'm not used to it yet.
3. I like the new Sense UI. A rom that comes with it and other HTC complementaries would be nice.
4. Performance would be nice but it is 4th on the wishlist as my history tells you i have never had a top-end phone. I consider the speed I see in the stock rom as blistering
So what do you think I should flash?

Ive used several roms and it's all down to personal preference - BUT I can highly recommend (in this order)
1) Leedroid HD (highly tweaked fast rom, excellent, visually diff than a stock rom, less battery drain then android hd below)
2) Android Revolution HD (highly tweaked fast rom, excellent, visually doesnt appear much diff than a stock rom)
3) MIUI 1.8 ( this very light in size and battery drain and seems to be becoming more and more popular, with alot of dev/skins/mods appearing by the day - This is what im playing with at the minute)
please remember - battery drain is mostly down to the apps/wifi ect usage

dayze0 said:
Ive used several roms and it's all down to personal preference - BUT I can highly recommend (in this order)
1) Leedroid HD (highly tweaked fast rom, excellent, visually diff than a stock rom, less battery drain then android hd below)
2) Android Revolution HD (highly tweaked fast rom, excellent, visually doesnt appear much diff than a stock rom)
3) MIUI 1.8 ( this very light in size and battery drain and seems to be becoming more and more popular, with alot of dev/skins/mods appearing by the day - This is what im playing with at the minute)
please remember - battery drain is mostly down to the apps/wifi ect usage
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Wow...I was expecting CM7 stable would be mentioned...is the CM7 not very battery friendly?

I used CM7 [Nightly] for months - changing it almost every day with each release. I've tried many of them here at XDA as have many people here.
Check out my sig for a few screenshots and ideas.
Like dayze0 I'm currently using MIUI. MIUI 1.8.26 v.2: Freshly Squeezed Edition™ 27/08/11
Some screenshots I took of it are here.

I am intrigued by MDJ's ultimate...partly because it has a regular phone apk i think. How did it fair in the consumption department?

I tried it and it was good but it's now discontinued.
One of m-deejay's latest roms is Virtuous Doubleshot v1.0.1.
You should try all or any of them and learn that way.

JB Roms: are they true stable DD's you would install on you parents phone?

Hello,
G2 owner here, I am considering flashing a new rom onto my not so tech savy friends Desire HD. I'm wondering how good the experience of the JB roms is? On the G2 the roms are unusable but it's certainly not a good experience, lots of random slow downs and lag, plus the camera quality sucks. I'm wondering if that is much the same on the DHD.
Would you flash a JB rom onto your Mum's phone, or would you stick with CM7? Consistent random slow downs / lag plus sub par camera quality isn't acceptable!
Also, if someone has a nice clear guide handy for rooting and installing recovery from 2.3 a link would be appreciated
Thanks!

I think you should be here http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=750.
Good luck!

koningjim said:
I think you should be here http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=750.
Good luck!
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Sorry my bad! I am a G2 owner, but I am looking at flashing a rom onto my friend DHD. -- updated the OP

whilst the jb roms are very stable, i wouldnt recomend them for a complete technaphoab. better safe than sorry.
on the other hand, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1968854 this is very good, but synergye(lead dev) is focusing more time on http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2003273 this.
the sense interface is very basic http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1839004
and if you want the mind numbing simplicity of ios, try http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1991558 (i havent tried this one yet though)
as always, read the threads first

Hard to tell, depends what they use... JB ROMs (and ICS) are really stable. No reboots or crashes. Really. There are small minor bugs, but I suppose most of the people wouldn't notice them, since not all people use all functionality. I.e. I wouldn never notice Bluetooth bug since I never use it, etc.
Now, IMHO, the best combination is JT plus KangBang kernel 1.9 stable. It works great, really smooth and fast. I have really a lot of apps and everything works just fine. With KB kernel, at least on my device, I can overclock to more than 1.2Ghz, i.e. 1.5, and it really works well. 4.1.2 is the best Android for me, fastest. I also have Nexus 7 and now that I have 4.2.1 I see how slower it is compared to 4.1.2. But Nexus is so fast that it doesn't matter. On DHD it might, because it is only single core. I tried CFX also and I had lockups and slowdowns. It is also stable, but would just stop responding for me from time to time.
But all in all I would make a backup of your current ROM (stock) and go for JB/KB combo. The only downside for me is battery life, which is worse than stock, but that doesn't happen on all sets (go figure).
D.