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problem with HTC tytn hermes 200

I bought an unlocked HTC TYTN Hermes 200 from a private party. He lives about 40 miles away from where I live and he used it with T-Mobile in California (I live in California also). Before I bought it, I tried it out (while I was in the same city that he lives in) with my T-Mobile SIM and made a phone call and the reception was clear.
Since I got home, I've had problems in 2 places (home and work which are about 5 miles apart) where I have 1 bar of reception and if someone tries calling me, it doesn't even show an incoming call on my phone, it goes straight to voice mail and if I try to call someone, it doesn't ring even once, it just says call ended. When I am at other places, I usually get decent reception (but not always).
I have tried flashing all of the recent radio firmware but nothing has made a difference. I also tried inserting another T-Mobile SIM and had the same problem. My previous phone (unlocked Treo 650) had really weak reception in those same areas but not this bad. The phone is not warrantied, according to HTC. I have made sure all my network settings are correct. It's running Windows Mobile 6. I think it might be a problem where the HTC antenna doesn't pick up a signal as well as weak T-Mobile reception.
Any ideas of what I can do about my problem ?

radio version?

I've tried every version from 1.38 to 1.48 and nothing changed with all of them. Right now I am using 1.40

Hmmm...
apparently there are no TyTn HW reason that can cause this problem...
Other peoples in that areas have low signal? (obviously yes)

vulkanxxv
well no not exactly....
wife has a razr with t-mo and it gets reception just fine. i dontknow anyone else with an htc.

towlieban said:
vulkanxxv
well no not exactly....
wife has a razr with t-mo and it gets reception just fine. i dontknow anyone else with an htc.
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Have you checked to make sure all the bands are active; like it is not set to only use certain frequencies and not others?

I have the band set to GSM (vs. Auto) and band is set to GSM(1900+850)+UMTS(1900+850). None of the other band settings seem to work.

oh and I updated the radio to 1.50. There is a small improvement where my phone rings half of the time when i call my cell from another phone.

HEY
I have had a simmilar problem in California, it doesnt make sence but what I did was flash the radio to the newest 1.50 and then re-install a new rom, and make sure you set the band selection to AUTO on both. NOT just the GSM-UMTS, but also the band frequency. and then power off the phone by pressing the off button and then turning it on. I have a TYTN too and HTC should warranty it, its guranteed for 2 years. Hope this helps.

jackieboy,
thanks for the tip. what rom are you using ? I am using black satin.
where abouts are you located ? I am about 1 hour east of los angeles I just want to get an idea if you are roughly in the same area as me.
Are you with T-Mobile also ?
After you did this, how many more bars of reception did you get ?
by the way, I changed network type from GSM to Auto and the band to Auto and no difference in reception. I haven't flashed a new rom yet though.

Try oficial ROM it cames with radio upgrade and is work very good for me.Also batery time increased .
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=320829

Random Reception problems

My Trinity has decided it's had enough of working and is doing some crazy stuff. Firstly if you have the phone in Automatic registration it never gets signal but will say G or 3G etc. At this point I cannot make or receive calls or texts. The only way I have managed to get it to work is by turning Auto to Manual and selecting the network..yet sometimes this doesnt work, it will show reception but calls and texts still dont work, Data works tho!!
The only way I can get a working phone is selecting GSM from the network type instead of Auto. Obviously it sounds like a 3G/UMTS problem with the phone, Sim works fine in other phones. Have tried reflashing ROM and Radio.
ANy Ideas

are you sure you have good 3G coverage in your area?
I would phone your operator.
I had a similar problem on Vodafone only when set to auto. The phone tries to pick up the 3G weak signal and so it's always droppin off and on.
The guy at Voda suggested that my phone was paired to a 3G base station several KM away, when it could have used the GSM station a few 100 metres away.
A plus of using GSM is battery life lasts much longer!
Of course there could be a hardware fault which would be unfortunate.

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sickboy555 said:
are you sure you have good 3G coverage in your area?
I would phone your operator.
I had a similar problem on Vodafone only when set to auto. The phone tries to pick up the 3G weak signal and so it's always droppin off and on.
The guy at Voda suggested that my phone was paired to a 3G base station several KM away, when it could have used the GSM station a few 100 metres away.
A plus of using GSM is battery life lasts much longer!
Of course there could be a hardware fault which would be unfortunate.
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I assume that you've configured your phone to your operator and that you've tried different radio ROMS to ensure optimal "fit" between your specific PDA and network operator. If you haven't and none of sickboy555's suggestions work, maybe you should check these two alternatives out as well?
Cheers!
hoja67

Well the problem initially started at random, did actually do anything, also I have tried about 4 different ROMS now and all have the same problem. I'm on
In terms of reception I have full 3G signal (4 bars according to the screen) as I am just outside the centre of the city yet nothing comes through but data. tis V strange. I may retry 3G when I'm somewhere else just in case its down to the local Cell.
I've decided to bite the bullet and just disabled 3G most of the time, if I need faster data I'll turn it on for that until I can upgrade to the TyTN 2. mmmmmm

Poor reception on new AT&T Tilt 2 - anyone else too?

All - upgraded from the TILT, aka Kaiser (which was flashed with a Sleuth ROM btw) to the AT&T Tilt2. I was using the stock ROM that AT&T ships on it, but was having wierd issues with the call reception. The voices seemed to cut out here and there, and were garbled.
After an hour and a half with Customer Care, they're shipping me a new phone. I was curious if anyone else was having the same issues with a TILT2.
When I swapped my SIM card back into my TILT all of the reception issues (same # dialed, same AT&T menu I listened to 4 times) went away.
Bad phone perhaps?

jayco said:
All - upgraded from the TILT, aka Kaiser (which was flashed with a Sleuth ROM btw) to the AT&T Tilt2. I was using the stock ROM that AT&T ships on it, but was having wierd issues with the call reception. The voices seemed to cut out here and there, and were garbled.
After an hour and a half with Customer Care, they're shipping me a new phone. I was curious if anyone else was having the same issues with a TILT2.
When I swapped my SIM card back into my TILT all of the reception issues (same # dialed, same AT&T menu I listened to 4 times) went away.
Bad phone perhaps?
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A bunch of us have complained about voice quality, voices sounding muffled. I have a replacement phone arriving tomorrow.

It seems that with each new generation the reception is getting worse in HTC phones. My Tilt held onto 3G and calls in my basement pretty well, didn't drop very much. My FUZE has noticeable worse service but was able to hold onto 3G in my basement. My Tilt2 can't even hold 3G and I have to switch to 2G in my basement. Very disappointing.

Tilt Reception
I am coming from a Fuze and have great reception with my Tilt2 in comparison. I could never get any reception with the Fuze and complained enough until ATT gave me a Tilt2 for $99.99. I flashed an Energy Rom and the latest Radio and it makes a huge difference over stock rom. Stock rom I got 1 bar, flashed radio/rom 3 to 4 bars! Awesome!!

I flashed a new radio and my car turned into a BMW!
No reception problems here... Or muffled, or low sounds from the earpiece...

DrumTJE - Which radio did you use?
I'm contemplating flashing myself - as the replacement phone today has hte same issues. Using field test, I can see about a -101 to -103 dbm strength from the towers. (To access it - *#*#364#*#* on the phone - can't use a saved contact though for it). I'm charging my Tilt to see if I can get a comparible number, or if it just seems to pull the signals in better.
Thanks for any information you can give me...

petard said:
It seems that with each new generation the reception is getting worse in HTC phones. My Tilt held onto 3G and calls in my basement pretty well, didn't drop very much. My FUZE has noticeable worse service but was able to hold onto 3G in my basement. My Tilt2 can't even hold 3G and I have to switch to 2G in my basement. Very disappointing.
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I find it the opposite. I have my original tilt, fuze and tilt2. At my cabin which is in a fringe ATT coverage area only my tilt 2 works reliably. I am lucky to get 1 bar most the time inside my cabin on the tilt or fuze and can do only txt messages but not calls on both. I have 2-3 bars and can make calls on the Tilt 2 in the same spots. This is by far the best reception HTC phone I have owned.

Even more interesting...
On my TILT, I'm getting -97db, and -98db usually, where the TILT2 is getting -100db to -101db. They change a little here and there, but no huge swings in the readings. Seems to me, from the evidence in front of me, that the TILT seems to work 'better' with a smaller signal.
I'm curious if a different radio will make things all that much better for me at this point.
I've gotten 4.49.25.17 - though I think I still need an additional file to be able to use the radio. (I know I need to Hard-SPL the phone first, then I can flash the radio - which I may do for giggles tonite to see apples to apples.)
Drum - hopefully you'll respond with the radio you're using, and if so - if you needed an additional file once you flashed it or if you just flashed the later 25.17 radio and whallah (after a turn-off/turn-on of course).
Thanks, as always.

jayco said:
On my TILT, I'm getting -97db, and -98db usually, where the TILT2 is getting -100db to -101db. They change a little here and there, but no huge swings in the readings. Seems to me, from the evidence in front of me, that the TILT seems to work 'better' with a smaller signal.
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How are you measuring the db's for the signal? Cold you post a CAB if it is a program?
Not sure if this is related, but my Tilt changes from 3G to E to G often while I am in a call... is that a reception issue or just a bandwidth issue on the ATT towers?

jayco said:
On my TILT, I'm getting -97db, and -98db usually, where the TILT2 is getting -100db to -101db. They change a little here and there, but no huge swings in the readings. Seems to me, from the evidence in front of me, that the TILT seems to work 'better' with a smaller signal.
I'm curious if a different radio will make things all that much better for me at this point.
I've gotten 4.49.25.17 - though I think I still need an additional file to be able to use the radio. (I know I need to Hard-SPL the phone first, then I can flash the radio - which I may do for giggles tonite to see apples to apples.)
Drum - hopefully you'll respond with the radio you're using, and if so - if you needed an additional file once you flashed it or if you just flashed the later 25.17 radio and whallah (after a turn-off/turn-on of course).
Thanks, as always.
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So first, -100db is a pretty poor signal. And the difference in -97 to -101 dbi is pretty nominal when you're talking about a low power cell signal.
And lower is better. -37 dbi is about the lowest most phones register that I'm aware of. I've never seen better than -37, anyway.

@Sphinx - no cab, sorry... Enter field test mode with the phone using the phone dialer and enter in the characters above... (the *#*#364#*#*)
Agreed - 100db is VERY low. But - apples to apples, my TILT was just fine. The TILT2 with the original ROM and Radio stunk.
Of course -the Energy ROM with the later radio seems to be working much better... Time till tell.
Thanks!

I'm having better luck so far with my Tilt 2. Had good luck with an 8525 at work. Moved to a Fuze and had issues with calls at work. Even tried different radios and found one that worked better but not much better. So far, the Tilt 2 is much better for me.
I was pretty worried before getting a call and the voice was clear.

I am using HTC 4.49.25.17 with Energy Rom Photon.
Even without the 'correct" rilphone.dll I get great reception
Hope this helps!

4.49 works awesome!
I am also using 4.49 radio with energy rom photon and my data and call quality are soooooooooo much better that the stock rom and radio.

@Drumtje - thanks for the info - I'm now using exactly what you are and while the quality has improved quite a bit it's still not the same as what I had with the standard TILT. I'm tempted to try a couple more radio's just to see what they do, though I'm not thrilled with the constant changing... I'm looking for stability here, and the ability to make calls without not hearing who I'm calling. I have had to reset the phone a number of times too once I loaded that ROM due to some freezing, but that might have to do with the activsync issues I've been having (and have finally resolved thru syncing only with bluetooth).
I'm also a little bummed out that the field test application in the standard factory rom's is not in the Energy ROM's. It was in the Sleuth ROM I used for the TILT though - which was nice because it gave hard data on the cell towers and the signal strength. It might make radio testing easier if we had that code in a CAB file.

my reception is fine but where ever i get low reception or it tends to switch from H to E alot i just turn off 3G and E holds strong for phone calls...but usually area that switch back and forth i dont usually need highspeed though i stay in the bayarea so theres few area that tends to switch back and forth between E and H
hope that helps

Mine is working really well. I have min 2 bars and it's holding 3g strong too. Better than my fuze was.

my reception is actually really good with the stock radio. Download speeds are fast too. It all depends on where you live I guess.

Seeing as there was interest, I went and dug up an .exe that you can put on your phone, run it, and see the Field Test data. If there's a Chef around who can convert it into a cab, that'd be nice. Otherwise, I think I uploaded it correctly as an attachment to this post.
It's working on my EnergyROM Proton fitted tilt.

drumtje - I'd be curious as to what your RSSI 1 reading is... (That's signal strength). Also - how many towers are you connecting to (above that in the readout - it'll give you the tower ID plus the signal strength of that tower).

Vodafone Sure Signal

I have a Vodafone Sure Signal femtocell device, which connects to my broadband and provides a localised 3G signal in my house, as network reception here is poor.
I have 2 other phones connected to the SS just fine, but the One X is intermittently losing the connection and needs a reboot to re-connect. There have been some other posts on the Vodafone UK forums from folks with a One X, not many but enough to make me wonder if there's a more common problem.
Does anyone else here have a Sure Signal, and if so, are you having any problems with it?

I don't personally have it but my friend does and he is getting drops constantly he is not best pleased as he had yellow spot issue aswell aha i think he's going to thro the OX off the wall shortly. He has phoned regarding this and got nowhere

Thanks for the reply. VF have contacted me after I posted on their eforums, I've raised a ticket and they're investigating. I'll report back if anything improves.
VF UK are really pushing the One X, so if there is a problem, I imagine they'll want to get it fixed.

do the vodafone handsets have vodafone firmware? i have a factory unlocked non branded unit I'm using on vodafone with SS and hab=ve had zero problems!

Thanks for the reply. I got mine from dialaphone and it's pure stock WWE. It's working now, but still a little flakey. If it loses connection to the SS, I turn airplane mode off and on again and it works again (quicker than a reboot).
Most of the One X users with problems on the VF forum have their old number on a new sim card, which apparently can cause the Sure Signal to bug out a bit until the new sim is registered. Mine is a brand new number though. It's lasting a day or so before I have any issues.
The SS has always been a little on the flakey side, though, I need to reset it every so often - but that's been weeks or months apart rather than days.
I have one of the older models with 4 lights, not sure if that makes a difference.
Half wondering if it's the phone not the SS, but will see how it goes for the next few days.

I have had very poor suresignal performance...and have swapped out one phone already after speaking to HTC.
But have found that by turning off WIFI, it seems to be a lot happier, and the replacement phone acts just the same as the first (sim free from CPW)
But without WIFI, all data comes out of your data plan, and not from your broadband even thought the SS uses the broadband connection.

I never got to the bottom of my sure signal problems with this phone until I installed cyanogenmod.
However I recently installed sense 5 and my phone would again not connect to my sure signal. I have gone back to cyanogenmod and the problem still exisits.
Can someone who uses a sure signal please tell me which radio you are using by going to settings, about phone, baseband version
Many thanks

G5 signal

Has anyone else had problems with signal on the G5 ?
I live out in the country and the signal has always been a bit hit and miss but I could always use my G3 inside and out, just had a new G5 and the signal is much worse.
Could it be a faulty phone (fine in town though) or is it just how they are, don't really want to go back to old phone but thinking about it.

Check if is so with both 3G, 4G

bookworth said:
Check if is so with both 3G, 4G
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It's the same with both
Also takes much longer to find signal again once lost.

Wish i could help you. I use my phone in country side with 2g and to me the phone seems to act like all others i've had. You could try to change it but it can also be that for lower sars numbers the signal strength is lower.

It's been a while but finally got to exchange it and I've still got the same problem, annoying thing is I can get a reasonable signal on an old phone but not the g5.
Is there a decent alternative to the g5 for the £200 mark ?

bill1000 said:
It's been a while but finally got to exchange it and I've still got the same problem, annoying thing is I can get a reasonable signal on an old phone but not the g5.
Is there a decent alternative to the g5 for the £200 mark ?
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An old phone might be using a 2g network which will be alot stronger in the country
Moto g5 is set to use 4g by default which is non existent in the country in some places
You can change it to force it to only use 3g though
Goto settings
More
Mobile networks
Preferred network type
Change to 3g
Some networks like Three in the UK don't even have a 2g network - their minimum is 3g
My advice is to do a Google search for what mobile phone masts you have in your area and what network owns them and get a payg sim for that network (or company that uses that network eg giffgaff use O2 network)

I've tried the 3g setting but it makes no difference
From past experience it's only really the o2 network that works around here, rest of the family have iphones and samsung all on the same network and it's only the g5 that is unusable.

bill1000 said:
I've tried the 3g setting but it makes no difference
From past experience it's only really the o2 network that works around here, rest of the family have iphones and samsung all on the same network and it's only the g5 that is unusable.
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you can always try adding/editing these entries in the build prop if you are rooted - no idea if it will make any difference though
Code:
persist.cust.tel.eons=1
ro.config.hw_fast_dormancy=1