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[Q] Why is microsoft putting its software on iOS?

Microsoft seem to be putting their software onto apples phone, http://wmpoweruser.com/how-to-alienate-your-customers-101/
whats next microsoft office on iOS if this continues then there will be on reason to get a wp7 device, after all, the iphone has a better gpu, far more memory (i live in the uk so 16gb is the max 8gb is the norm) so why would i want to buy a wp7 device again if MS starts doing this???

Because they're a software company?

davidebanks said:
Microsoft seem to be putting their software onto apples phone, http://wmpoweruser.com/how-to-alienate-your-customers-101/
whats next microsoft office on iOS if this continues then there will be on reason to get a wp7 device, after all, the iphone has a better gpu, far more memory (i live in the uk so 16gb is the max 8gb is the norm) so why would i want to buy a wp7 device again if MS starts doing this???
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why is office on mac os?
why should they not?
WP7 has a different user experience and i like it much more than the android/ios experience....wp7 wouldn`t a good plattform if only the apps are the pros for it.

And why not give iOS users possibility to like office and maybe consider wp7 for their next phone then?
Well, might never happen, cause most applers stay applers...
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Geez. Why should you buy a WP7 rather than iPhone? Because the user experience between the two devices are completely different.
Obviously apps are going to be cross platform, Microsoft is after all a software company. Now, one could argue that they should perhaps do what Google does - and wait with releasing their apps on other platforms until they absolutely have to, but this is the iPhone we are talking about - they have to.

Good Point bro!!!
And because in the futur all softwares will be able to run all platform.

0711 said:
why is office on mac os?
why should they not?
WP7 has a different user experience and i like it much more than the android/ios experience....wp7 wouldn`t a good plattform if only the apps are the pros for it.
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Why is there iTunes Windows? It is slow by the way.
I am sure that companies do this so that user can have options and maybe pick the companies OS next time.

Peew971 said:
Because they're a software company?
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Then why do they not port Halo to PS3 for example? Like you said, they are a software company, and could easily double the revenue. MS are idiots for not porting Xbox games like Halo to other platforms.

Keep in mind that the software developed for the iPhone was a separate team from those working on Wp7.
Also, if iphone users start to use a bunch of microsoft apps, maybe they will think "maybe I should be using a microsoft phone" and then buy a windows phone. Sure it could go the other way as well... but I'm an optimist.

To make money, as what pretty much most if not all paid apps are for.

digger1985 said:
Then why do they not port Halo to PS3 for example? Like you said, they are a software company, and could easily double the revenue. MS are idiots for not porting Xbox games like Halo to other platforms.
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Too much work? Maybe they figured that game exclusivity is what drives the console sales.

canadariot2312 said:
Too much work? Maybe they figured that game exclusivity is what drives the console sales.
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is all about the market share, and profit.

canadariot2312 said:
Too much work? Maybe they figured that game exclusivity is what drives the console sales.
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But porting apps over to iOS is not? How come they can't figure out that app exclusivity also drives phone sales.

digger1985 said:
But porting apps over to iOS is not? How come they can't figure out that app exclusivity also drives phone sales.
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Because console games are complicated and require certain components to work. Every smartphone uses the same SoC set no matter what OS they run whether it would be snapdragon, omap, a4, etc. The consoles are made differently, the 360 with tri-cores and the ps3 uses something really confusing. Than again, Final Fantasy did appear on the Xbox, but Sony didn't exclusive rights to that game.
I would imagine that it is miles easier for porting apps, or maybe they want to do something like having an app on a certain phone will just run better as oppose to something not native.

kabumm said:
And why not give iOS users possibility to like office and maybe consider wp7 for their next phone then?
Well, might never happen, cause most applers stay applers...
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I didn't . Don't get me wrong, I loved my iPhone (until Apple butchered it with iOS 4), but when I went to go snag an iPhone 4 and got to play with it side by side with the Samsung Focus, the choice was clear--Focus is a MUCH nicer device, with a nicer screen and of course, Windows Phone 7 itself--which makes iOS look antiquated and stale.
That said, I also have a 2010 Macbook Pro 13" which I got purely so I can submit apps to the iOS store, but I can't stand Mac OSX, it's a ****in' turd. So I'm glad the laptop runs Windows 7 nicely enough, LOL.

digger1985 said:
Then why do they not port Halo to PS3 for example? Like you said, they are a software company, and could easily double the revenue. MS are idiots for not porting Xbox games like Halo to other platforms.
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MS also makes the hardware for the XBOX. And they sold the hardware at a loss. Their revenue model was dependent on software attach rates being high on the console. People often choose game consoles based on exclusive games. MS could spend millions marketing Halo because they know that the reason people buy XBOX consoles is so that they could play awesome games. Period. Everything else the XBOX does is just gravy.
People buy smartphones for so many different reasons.
MS can't invest millions of dollars into the promotion and marketing of a single app, because a large portion of customers won't care about it.
Bing and One Note are fighting for mindshare. You can't have a killer phone app if nobody even knows what it is.
The only way to market and advertise how good Bing and One Note could be is by putting it the hands of the most people possible. And for now, that's on the iPhone.

Reflexx1 said:
People buy smartphones for so many different reasons.
MS can't invest millions of dollars into the promotion and marketing of a single app, because a large portion of customers won't care about it.
Bing and One Note are fighting for mindshare. You can't have a killer phone app if nobody even knows what it is.
The only way to market and advertise how good Bing and One Note could be is by putting it the hands of the most people possible. And for now, that's on the iPhone.
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If you are using a smartphone for a single app, than you need to rethink.
I heard that you can get Bing on Android devices as well, although not many people actually want it (seeing that it is a Google phone). I think putting Microsoft software on other OS' is not a bad idea. After all, you see Microsoft everywhere.

Reflexx1 said:
MS also makes the hardware for the XBOX. And they sold the hardware at a loss. Their revenue model was dependent on software attach rates being high on the console. People often choose game consoles based on exclusive games. MS could spend millions marketing Halo because they know that the reason people buy XBOX consoles is so that they could play awesome games. Period. Everything else the XBOX does is just gravy.
People buy smartphones for so many different reasons.
MS can't invest millions of dollars into the promotion and marketing of a single app, because a large portion of customers won't care about it.
Bing and One Note are fighting for mindshare. You can't have a killer phone app if nobody even knows what it is.
The only way to market and advertise how good Bing and One Note could be is by putting it the hands of the most people possible. And for now, that's on the iPhone.
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You comment doesn't make any sense. They sell hardware at a loss and make money from games. Keeping Xbox exclusives would make sense if they made money from the hardware. Since they make money from the games, they should be doing everything to port games to other platforms as well.

Thing is, Microsoft is the top player in the console industry - so they don't have to port games to other platforms. The increase in revenue would likely be offset by the increase in development cost to support the PS3 and/or Wii. Not to mention the fact that Microsoft Game Studio titles do drive console sales (I know plenty of people who have bought an Xbox 360 purely because of Halo for example); higher console sales lead to higher revenue (even if they did initially sell hardware at a loss) as people pay for the XBL Gold service, spend money in the Xbox marketplace and purchase Xbox 360 games (for which MS get's a license fee no matter if it's an in-house title or not).
This is pretty much how the printer/ink/toner industry or coffee-pod industry works also. They sell the hardware at little to no profit but you are tied in to buying their ink/toner or coffee-pods for the lifetime of the product. It's actually cheaper for me to purchase a new CLP every so often than it is to buy new toner - when I then sell the old printer online I more or less come out at zero cost.
In the smartphone sector, Apple is the king of the hill and it only makes sense to have their software available. Apps do not drive phone sales; UX (User eXperience) does. Keeping a title exclusive to WP7 makes no sense at all. At the same time, it does not make sense (business wise) to support all possible smartphone platforms out there, only iOS and Android has a valuable marketplace (app wise) so those are the platforms to support - this is why Google hasn't released their apps as official WP7 clients thus far; Windows Phone 7 doesn't have a big enough marketshare that it pays for them to spend development dollars on it. Once the OS gains momentum (if it does) Google will rather quickly release what they have to offer.
All said, I do agree it's painful when "better" software appears for the iPhone rather than their own OS, WP7, but this goes back to the fact Microsoft are so large. There is no single person making decisions, they have COO's and project managers en masse, often trying to out-do eachother or vote other projects down as they step on their own projects toes. Microsoft is filled to the brim with highly competent people, but they operate like a bureaucracy. Ask anyone who's ever worked there and they'll all more or less tell the same story - the layers of hierarchy is killing creative output.
How many times has Microsoft not come out with killer products which has failed miserably in the marketplace because upper management hasn't seen or understood the possibility. Take Media Center for example, it has given the best UX for DVRs for years - still, they never took it to the next level and now it's almost too late. With a lot of luck their embedded Media Center's showcased (in a back-room no less?!) at CES may make a dent in the market, but it's highly unlikely as they missed the boat. GoogleTV, AppleTV, Boxee and a whole lot of other players are now ruling the roost.
That's exactly what they did with the mobile sector also - they had great ideas and were the top players years ago. But they became complacent and stopped innovating. Then other players came along and completely killed them; what was WM's marketshare last year? How much of that was made up of HD2 sales which were re-flashed with Android?

digger1985 said:
Then why do they not port Halo to PS3 for example? Like you said, they are a software company, and could easily double the revenue. MS are idiots for not porting Xbox games like Halo to other platforms.
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This is off topic but why would you want to port Halo to the PS3? Halo is more aimed at muliplayer and as everyone knows Playstation sucks at on-line gaming.

Emulators

I think the WP7-phones have nearly the same specs as the OpenPandora. On the OpenPandora are running many emulators like ScummVM or PCSX (watch this for more information). So it should be possible to develope more emulators the a NES one? What do you think? Is this possible? Have the WP7 phones enough resources to take these?

Elerador said:
I think the WP7-phones have nearly the same specs as the OpenPandora. On the OpenPandora are running many emulators like ScummVM or PCSX (watch this for more information). So it should be possible to develope more emulators the a NES one? What do you think? Is this possible? Have the WP7 phones enough resources to take these?
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Dude, no offence, but what do you mean by nearly same specs lol.
are we talking about wp7 buttonless tablets and Pandora?
You know, i am into PDA emulation for years, but i would NEVER consider wp7, android, blackberry of whatever else as emuplatform.
Another problem is lack of skilled programmers to make such emulators - such thing require knowledge, it's not 190487th facebook clone for halfwits, you know. Proof i am right? - tell me how many of emulators for WM were made in HD2 era, now, compare this to (beloved) Pandora community.
btw, screenshots for ya, from old, nonHTC xscale wm device with DPAD(just part of collection, do you think they could do this on wp7 tablet made for facebook, twitter, and phone bills only? color me amazed, lol.):

pupakota said:
Dude, no offence, but what do you mean by nearly same specs lol.
are we talking about wp7 buttonless tablets and Pandora?
You know, i am into PDA emulation for years, but i would NEVER consider wp7, android, blackberry of whatever else as emuplatform.
Another problem is lack of skilled programmers to make such emulators - such thing require knowledge, it's not 190487th facebook clone for halfwits, you know. Proof i am right? - tell me how many of emulators for WM were made in HD2 era, now, compare this to (beloved) Pandora community.
btw, screenshots for ya, from old, nonHTC xscale wm device with DPAD(just part of collection, do you think they could do this on wp7 tablet made for facebook, twitter, and phone bills only? color me amazed, lol.):
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Yeah, you're right ... I forgot the area for the pads and buttons.

space? for onscreen buttons?

pupakota said:
Dude, no offence, but what do you mean by nearly same specs lol.
are we talking about wp7 buttonless tablets and Pandora?
You know, i am into PDA emulation for years, but i would NEVER consider wp7, android, blackberry of whatever else as emuplatform.
Another problem is lack of skilled programmers to make such emulators - such thing require knowledge, it's not 190487th facebook clone for halfwits, you know. Proof i am right? - tell me how many of emulators for WM were made in HD2 era, now, compare this to (beloved) Pandora community.
btw, screenshots for ya, from old, nonHTC xscale wm device with DPAD(just part of collection, do you think they could do this on wp7 tablet made for facebook, twitter, and phone bills only? color me amazed, lol.):
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"Dude", no offense, but I'm pretty sure I was just using my mytouch 4g as an emulator for various platforms with the help of my bluetooth connected Wiimote.
Phones are becoming more and more powerful, and to act like like there's some sort of lack of power to run something as simple as an old emulator is bullcrap. I sold my hacked playstation portable, with every emulator up to nintendo 64, and find emulating on my phone equally useful, if not better (1ghz cpu vs 222/333OC cpu)
Xscale processors? really? this is a new age, showing us those ancient CPUs means nothing.
now, lets look at the hardware. On screen controls aren't pretty, but are totally functional. A bluetooth gamepad? now you're in business.
Also, WM has plenty of emulators, I had a bunch of them...
the only "problem" I see is getting microsoft to approve of any of these apps officially. THAT'S the reason nobody develops them, not because of a lack of skill among developers.

My personal opinion:
I can agree with you, this "approval" indeed is quite a problem(this is why there's no emus for i.e. Blackberry devices).
But like i said, almost nobody is making emus for portables novadays. Lets say - i do not need "approval" to start programming, right?
So it is not mian problem there.
Bluetooth controller, ok, it is partial solution, but good luck with demanding emu + bt and actual batteries.
On screen controls aren't pretty, but are totally functional.
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Please, i do not agree, onscreen controls maybe are functional, but tell me why they stripped buttons/dpad from actual devices?
Not price is a reason, that's for sure. Imho, onscreen buttons are just last resort desperate solution, that's all.
Xscale processors? really? this is a new age
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Especially new age of salary, sorry;/ I am still happy with performance of my device - raw power is not just bunch of cpu optimizations for twitter handling nor HD mov playing, lol. Have you ever had 624+ mhz xscale device, or you are talking about samsung feebles sold by HTC?
(1ghz cpu vs 222/333OC cpu)
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What, lol?
You are one of these guys, that still are counting ghzes vs real power?(you know, like these who were telling me, that they have 1ghz cpu in phone, so diablo2 should run fine, because it ran on 800 mhz duron).
Anyway i REALLY wish, that someone will make such emus as i have for that old machine for wp7.
Then i would switch. But i just doubt it.
Ok, have fun with your phone.
I'll stay with PDA.
topic unsuscribed, until someone can pm me with price for wp7 device up to 120$(i paid for actual one).

Please keep discussions like these in WP7 General. These kinds of topics usually don't bring forth actual results. So I am moving it to WP7 General since this isn't development just discussion.
~~Tito~~

Review : XBox Live For Windows Phone.

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Function : Provide gaming hub for Windows Phone.
Pros : Many of the features of XBox Live on the 360 are here such as text messaging amongst live subscribers, avatar customization, achievements, and leader boards.
Cons : Well to put it bluntly it's a little bit of a tease. Voice messages and voice chat are clearly absent though well within the capabilities of the phones. The avatar marketplace is a no show. True multi player gaming is pretty much non existence here. No access to videos and additional content available on the 360. No support for themes. No option to choose placement of apps outside of the hub.
Recommendation : You really don't have a choice here. If you want to game on a Windows Phone or even use certain applications that are even mildly related to gaming you will end up dealing with this hub. It's a severely crippled version of the Xbox Live you've come to know and love on the XBox. The glaring lack of functionality to include the lack of multi player titles and social tools inside of the games themselves are pretty unforgivable considering appearances of such features in games on other platforms. In the end I can't say I'm not left simply disappointed at this take on the Xbox Live brand.

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As posted on L337Ware
Function : Provide gaming hub for Windows Phone.
Pros : Many of the features of XBox Live on the 360 are here such as text messaging amongst live subscribers, avatar customization, achievements, and leader boards.
Cons : Well to put it bluntly it's a little bit of a tease. Voice messages and voice chat are clearly absent though well within the capabilities of the phones. The avatar marketplace is a no show. True multi player gaming is pretty much non existence here. No access to videos and additional content available on the 360. No support for themes. No option to choose placement of apps outside of the hub.
Recommendation : You really don't have a choice here. If you want to game on a Windows Phone or even use certain applications that are even mildly related to gaming you will end up dealing with this hub. It's a severely crippled version of the Xbox Live you've come to know and love on the XBox. The glaring lack of functionality to include the lack of multi player titles and social tools inside of the games themselves are pretty unforgivable considering appearances of such features in games on other platforms. In the end I can't say I'm not left simply disappointed at this take on the Xbox Live brand.
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Maybe I got you wrong, but just tap and hold any icon in the games hub will bring up the menu where you can choose to pin it to the homescreen.

Did you just buy your phone? Because we've all been saying that for 6 months now and there are threads about it. Unless you just need traffic...
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I've been playing Game Chest: Logic Games Chess against my wife over XBox live for months now. I play my moves on my WP7 and she plays on XBox.com in a browser-based copy of the game.
Isn't that multiplayer XBox-Live? Or am I missing something?

Actually, voice messaging/chat isn't well within the capabilities of the phone. Until Mango is released all network traffic is done thru HTTP which adds way too much lag to use for live voice chatting. Messaging would work, but why re-invent the wheel when full socket support is coming later this year?
The lack of true multiplayer gaming is due to the same reason - http just isn't a viable alternative to raw sockets. The best you can really do at the moment is turn-based games, and they do exist.
Adding content to the home screen is, as someone else already pointed out, as easy as long pressing the title and selecting pin to start.
This is one area where I can truly appreciate peoples comments about this being v1 of a new OS - no other mobile platform has done this already and what's already on WP is pretty damn good considering the current platform limitations.

Remember, all we've seen of Mango at Mix 11 was the developer-centric stuff. MS have yet to announce all the consumer-centric goodies and I bet XBox-live multiplayer realtime will be a part of that.
I'd really like to see a multiplayer Halo game on WP7, controlled by a bluetooth XBox-controller.
The HD7's kickstand would enable use of that while the phone is stood on a table (e.g. when on the train)
How cool?

Jim Coleman said:
I've been playing Game Chest: Logic Games Chess against my wife over XBox live for months now. I play my moves on my WP7 and she plays on XBox.com in a browser-based copy of the game.
Isn't that multiplayer XBox-Live? Or am I missing something?
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It is called turn based not multiplayer
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lqaddict said:
It is called turn based not multiplayer
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Or more accurately "turn based multiplayer" you still have more than one player which makes it multi, even if that isn't quite what you wanted in multiplayer.

Can I just point out that the "hub" isn't the "Xbox Live" hub it's actually called the "Games" hub.

I also want to say that while I tend to agree that it is vital to the success and pricing of Live titles to incorporate more features, I whole heartedly believe that they are coming sooner than later. People continuously call me a fan boy, but I'm more of a realist in the case of this OS, and realize that Rome wasn't built in a day. I see the effort, and if you don't, you're blind. And I see the potential. So much has been said about the lack of updates, and "oh, I'm God, so I demand updates on my schedule in small packets or I'm going to Android" that nobody has realized the reality here. Features, like the ones discussed here, are going to be so tightly integrated it's going to be amazing. Just watching MIX, you see WHY they haven't released small updates yet, and I've said this in other threads. One feature links in 13 different areas, it's all integrated. So we see this with the socket support, and multitasking, and the ability to control background processes... When these are released, I think we are going to see a wave, and I mean WAVE, of new applications which will completely revolutionalize WP...

^ maybe you're right. However, if and when Microsoft introduces true multiplayer gaming in 2012 or later. It will more than likely be for Windows Phone vs Windows Phone only.

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^ maybe you're right. However, if and when Microsoft introduces true multiplayer gaming in 2012 or later. It will more than likely be for Windows Phone vs Windows Phone only.
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I disagree, I see no reason why someone on an XBox shouldn't be able to play against someone on a WP7 in realtime. This is going to be killer, MS will not miss this opportunity to outdo iPhone (for which there is no equivalent games console) and Android (closest thing is Xperia Play which is a bit poo).
I don't see any logic in your prediction.

^ maybe you're right. However, if and when Microsoft introduces true multiplayer gaming in 2012 or later. It will more than likely be for Windows Phone vs Windows Phone only.
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I disagree, I see no reason why someone on an XBox shouldn't be able to play against someone on a WP7 in realtime. This is going to be killer, MS will not miss this opportunity to outdo iPhone (for which there is no equivalent games console) and Android (closest thing is Xperia Play which is a bit poo).<br />
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I don't see any logic in your prediction.
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Yeah they WP with Kinnect. However my point is in the mobile world. WP vs iPhone or WP vs Android, as we already have iPhone vs Android games(they're awesome).
Since the Xbox Live brand is involved I'm sure the chances of WP vs anything not Microsoft related are slim to none.
If you haven't noticed 360 users haven't been running in droves to purchase these phones. The average 360 user isn't of contracting age.

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Yeah they WP with Kinnect. However my point is in the mobile world. WP vs iPhone or WP vs Android, as we already have iPhone vs Android games(they're awesome).
Since the Xbox Live brand is involved I'm sure the chances of WP vs anything not Microsoft related are slim to none.
If you haven't noticed 360 users haven't been running in droves to purchase these phones. The average 360 user isn't of contracting age.
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I have to disagree there, especially considering that playing online on a 360 console actually costs money, and usually requires you be an adult... I have no idea where this misconception comes from that all Live players are kids, or even that half of them are... I'm assuming from people who have never played a day online.
I also don't see this phone as just "Live" services, there are other games that will go cross-platform... Has Apple developed a game that interacted with Android users? How about Google with iPhone? All the games are third party, aren't they? The Live games will interact with other Live games, obviously, I don't see why there would be any surprise or negative feedback there... But I do see third-party, real time multiplayer coming sooner than 2012, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of them get released once Mango goes live, as they would have been developing for a few months by then.
I don't get why people are so negative about things, as it is now, developers have pushed the available apis to their limits, why would that suddenly stop with a larger user base and greater access? I expect these sorts of post from certain biased users, but not users that appear to have brains most of the time.
I would also take the time here to note that if Google, or any other random developer, released a brand new desktop OS at this moment, version 1.0, would the same retards in this forum who are so Anti-Microsoft/Pro-Google be quick to say "this is trash because it doesn't live up to Windows 7 of today" or would they be hypocrites and label it a first release and state it has more features than Windows 95 did? Because I guarantee you it would be the latter, as we saw when Android was released in its G1 form far behind iOS.

Version 1 where is it? Please show me version 1. Get over it, this is a continuation.
I'm not being negative, just realistic.
How much do you want to bet Microsoft wont allow third party multiplayer games? They will have to go through Xbox LIVE.
Xbox LIVE users are different than the average 360 user/owner. Matter of fact I haven't met a person on Xbox LIVE who knows what WP7 is. Get on there and ask people yourself.

vetvito said:
Version 1 where is it? Please show me version 1. Get over it, this is a continuation.
I'm not being negative, just realistic.
How much do you want to bet Microsoft wont allow third party multiplayer games? They will have to go through Xbox LIVE.
Xbox LIVE users are different than the average 360 user/owner. Matter of fact I haven't met a person on Xbox LIVE who knows what WP7 is. Get on there and ask people yourself.
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I wasn't specifically talking about you, but this isn't a continuation, nowhere near it, and as long as you guys continue to paint it as one, you'll have ignorant, biased opinions...
And you're making assumptions, they allow games like AlphaJax right now to utilize what they can, I don't see why they wouldn't in the future. You guys create these scenarios where a lot of users come, think you know what you're talking about, and believe this bs... I can't keep track of how many people said that most of the features announced for Mango would take 2 years to implement...
A lot of people had no idea what Android was until Verizon joined the party, and even still, 8 out of 10 people will call any Android phone a Droid, and tell you that their Droid Does... Expecting overnight success isn't realistic, and neither is making assumptions when you have no idea what you're talking about, or have any type of track record to go off of...
I also only brought up 360 because you made the point of the user age... I don't see many people buying it just because of that from a platform standpoint because this isn't called "Xbox Live Phone" it's called Windows phone... I know a crap load of Live players who own Macs...
By the end of this year, I think we'll be looking at these devices entirely different. Both from a gaming standpoint and functional standpoint. Though, the phone is more than functional 99% of the time for me.

What number comes after 6?
I'm ignorant though.

vetvito said:
How much do you want to bet Microsoft wont allow third party multiplayer games? They will have to go through Xbox LIVE.
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Why would they not allow it? They allow you to make them today and will obviously continue to do so once there is raw socket support. They are however rolling out more support for indie developers to gain access to XBL as well, so I wouldn't be surprised to see more and more of the great games we have today become XBL games with achievements and whatnot - this does command a minimum price of $2.99 however.
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Xbox LIVE users are different than the average 360 user/owner. Matter of fact I haven't met a person on Xbox LIVE who knows what WP7 is. Get on there and ask people yourself.
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Really? Don't know who you've been speaking to, but everyone I've gamed with knows very well what it is. Hell, you must be a real ignorant bastard not to know it considering they've been showing loads of WP commercials on the 360 dashboard since launch.
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Oh and come on, WP7 is obviously a v1. Sure, it's built ontop of the same old WinCE kernel (well, an updated one) but it has absolutely nothing in common with the previous Windows Mobile versions. You couldn't even take a native WM6 app and run it on WP7 without heavy modification - and that's not just because of the locked down nature of WP.

Well done guys, insults are the way to go. I wonder more and more how old people on this forum are.
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vetvito said:
What number comes after 6?
I'm ignorant though.
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WP7 is version 1.

Im so dissapointed..

I dont see any android for hd7 soon, Its apps are boring and even tho it should have good apps already like angry birds and plants vs zombies and whatever, I dont see them coming to wp7... Im so sorry I chose hd7 instead of iPhone 4, I wanted something refreshing but got a piece of crap which im stuck with for the next 2 years....

You should do your homework BEFORE you shell out money...

Im starting to think that microsoft is a piece of crap company, Just like the xbox..

Who cares?

Linosal said:
Im starting to think that microsoft is a piece of crap company, Just like the xbox..
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Wow, troll much? All the games you listed are comming to wp7 or are already in the marketplace.

Linosal said:
I dont see any android for hd7 soon, Its apps are boring and even tho it should have good apps already like angry birds and plants vs zombies and whatever, I dont see them coming to wp7... Im so sorry I chose hd7 instead of iPhone 4, I wanted something refreshing but got a piece of crap which im stuck with for the next 2 years....
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So you are disappointed about not getting an iPhone but want Android instead?
anyways both the games are coming in the next 3 weeks with angry birds probably coming next week as an XBL game.
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lmao, so u think xbox is crap , you must definitely be a PS3 owner whos stuck with an offline machine since the past 3 weeks.

Thanks to that I got games for free, PSN + for another month and free music forever =]

Linosal said:
Thanks to that I got games for free, PSN + for another month and free music forever =]
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don't forget, you got your personal info leaked to the world for free too!

wow is this really gonna turn into a thread bashing the PS3? Its the only system I have and I like it the best, its unfortunate that the hack happened but what can you do? Its getting fixed now and hopefully it wont happen again. 360, PS3, IOS, Windows Phone are all great in their own ways, apparently none of you can understand that though as you have to bash whatever you dont have or like.

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don't forget, you got your personal info leaked to the world for free too!
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Most of the information leaked was old information and the brunt of the stuff that mattered was for Japanese people.
Not that it matters.
I think PS3 owners are more likely to accept an outtage because many/most of them don't pay for Online Play - contrary to XBL. If XBL goes down everyone that plays online is watching their money trickle away (Time is money, as they say).
I think the biggest hit Sony will take will come from the SOE MMORPG division. All of their games went down for 2-3 weeks and I have no doubt a lot of people will just play another game because 3 weeks in an MMORPG is an eternity. It can kill guilds and demoralize the playerbase, things like that...
That being said, the XB360 desperately needs a browser, USB Keyboard/Mouse Support, and perhaps even some version of a Flash/Flash Lite player that works decently, along with decent DLNA and the ability to load media onto the HD instead of just streaming it from WMC. I think the PS3 will take a hit but it will still sell decently because it is infinitely more flexible than teh XB360.
I personally got the 360 because it tends to have better Role Playing Games on it than the PS3 - which seems better for people who really like FPS Shooters and stuff like that...
@ OP: Why would you buy an HD7 for Android? The Android sets that were out when the HD7 released were monumentally better from a hardware standpoint with much better screens and GPUs, among other things (FFC, etc.). I'll never understand the logic of getting a WP7 handset and then coming here to cry because some random unsupported OS hasn't been ported to it yet... Could have done yourself a favor and gotten an HD2 for cheaper, IMO. It's literally the same hardware with a better build and different buttons... For shame

N8ter said:
Most of the information leaked was old information and the brunt of the stuff that mattered was for Japanese people.
Not that it matters.
I think PS3 owners are more likely to accept an outtage because many/most of them don't pay for Online Play - contrary to XBL. If XBL goes down everyone that plays online is watching their money trickle away (Time is money, as they say).
I think the biggest hit Sony will take will come from the SOE MMORPG division. All of their games went down for 2-3 weeks and I have no doubt a lot of people will just play another game because 3 weeks in an MMORPG is an eternity. It can kill guilds and demoralize the playerbase, things like that...
That being said, the XB360 desperately needs a browser, USB Keyboard/Mouse Support, and perhaps even some version of a Flash/Flash Lite player that works decently, along with decent DLNA and the ability to load media onto the HD instead of just streaming it from WMC. I think the PS3 will take a hit but it will still sell decently because it is infinitely more flexible than teh XB360.
I personally got the 360 because it tends to have better Role Playing Games on it than the PS3 - which seems better for people who really like FPS Shooters and stuff like that...
@ OP: Why would you buy an HD7 for Android? The Android sets that were out when the HD7 released were monumentally better from a hardware standpoint with much better screens and GPUs, among other things (FFC, etc.). I'll never understand the logic of getting a WP7 handset and then coming here to cry because some random unsupported OS hasn't been ported to it yet... Could have done yourself a favor and gotten an HD2 for cheaper, IMO. It's literally the same hardware with a better build and different buttons... For shame
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I disagree, this whole gen is all about shooters, shooter and more shooters, its ridiculous! Thats all that sells nowadays...and I think the 360 is usually the one that people associate with shooters for some reason. Maybe because Halo and Gears of war.
Either way Im tired of shooters...and I hate COD...

And you don't think RPGs like Fable, Dragon Age, Final Fantasy, and Elder's Scrolls sell, among other things (Drivers, Action/Adventure, etc.)?
Sorry, does not compute
No one is forcing you to play shooters. There are hundreds of games on either platform to choose from. You don't have to be at the mercy of a few online game reviewers...
I think the PS3 controller is so superior to the XB360s for FPS and Drivers that if I was into those types of games I wouldn't have even considered an XB360... I got the XB because it was cheaper at a higher HD size (in addition to reasons stated above), too bad that HD is largely useless compared to a PS3...
And yea, those exclusives probably have a lot to do with it

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Rumor: Future Microsoft OS to run phones, PCs, tablets, consoles

Hey guys, I just reported on a story that you may be interested in checking out. Very exciting news if it's true.
http://windowsphonedaily.blogspot.com/2011/07/rumor-future-microsoft-os-to-run-phones.html
Original source:
http://thisismynext.com/2011/07/14/microsoft-one-ecosystem-pcs-tablets-phones-tvs-windows-brand-over/
Here's the important part:
Turns out that almost exactly describes something we heard from a source the other day, and we’ve got some more details that point to a far more radical plan within Microsoft. What we’ve been told is that Microsoft is planning to somehow harmonize not only Windows for PCs and Windows Phone, but also the Xbox operating system sometime within the next four years — a timeframe that perfectly lines up with both the end of the Xbox 360′s 10-year lifecycle and the end of Windows 8′s expected three-year run. That would mean Microsoft’s next next OS will run on PCs, tablets, phones, and the next-gen Xbox when it hits sometime in 2015 / 2016. Yes, it sounds crazy, but it fits perfectly within the broad outlines Lees confirmed during his keynote yesterday. And that’s not even the wildest part.
Our sources also tell us that Microsoft is seriously considering ditching the “Windows” brand name in favor of something new when all this goes down. The idea is to rebrand this new super-OS with something that better fits with Redmond’s vision of the future. Obviously that could well change over the next few years as this plan takes shape — Steve Ballmer in particular has always been quite enamored with the Windows brand — but dropping the name is apparently at least on the table, and that’s a big step.
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Interesting. Although many rumors say a new Xbox will be out before that time frame.

I love what Microsoft is planning! Too bad for me the one breaking that link would be the video game console. Xbox sucks. PS3 FTW! in everything else though, I'm a MS supporter, so lets do it big!

No surprise as quad core 2.5 GHz SoC's are right around the corner. Computer hardware isn't moving as fast as these mobile chipsets. In a matter of a few yrs, they're catching up. Plus they use far less power.

I think this makes total sense, and it was just a matter of time. The Windows 8 interface looks like the next level of computing. It doesn't make sense to have tool bars, and icons, and little notification things all over the place. And these tiles really are "windows", so it just reinforces their brand. Good stuff.
Back to video games, the transition to the next gen consoles will be interesting. Online play is SO huge now compared to what it was, how will they transition it all? I'm guessing that xbox live will stay as is, but 360 users won't be able to play with 720 users? But could probably still stay on the same friends list, join parties, etc. At least that woul make the most sense.

With all of Windows new announcements, the future of Windows is actually pretty exciting. [/nerdout]
Regardless of which console is better, being able to seamlessly move from phone to pc to tablet to xbox is going to be pretty good.

I'm curious why they haven't already. current hardware in phones are capable of 1080p output, recording, etc.
either there is a huge markup on pc's, or someone hasn't decided huge boxes full of unefficient parts is silly. think atrix like hardware... a quad core cpu in a phone sized pc... plug in a 500gb hdd, connect screen, bluetooth keyboard/mouse... viola

On the topic:
The idea of one OS for all sorts of devices is logical and consequent move following modern trends. I see no reason why products of one company should all have different interfaces. Super powerful phones will be able to run it without problems.
I will welcome this on two conditions:
1) Don't base the whole data communication on cloud only (like some parts of WP7 now)
2) Give us those sqared icons/hubs under start menu and keep the PC homescreen idea - with customizable looks and feel. I mean seeing those squares as a main screen on black background is depressive and claustrophobic experience, just like WP7.....

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A unified Windows experience would be awesome though...
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Possibly would be. We'd all have to see how the implementation works out though. As a general idea though, it's not a bad idea. It's something Bill Gates was pushing back before he retired. I believe that's why Live Mesh came out.

hurting sales ?
one of the reasons I think you'll never see this on windows, or apple:
4.5" screen phone/tab/whatever, quad core, dlna, huge 3000mah battery, here's the scenario....
make a phone call on it on the way home... unlock the house (bluetooth), walk in, toss it on the counter charger and shower. plop on the couch for some entertainment, fire up the bluetooth keyboard/mouse and dlna the phone (is phone accurate anymore?) to the big screeen on the wall.
rent a movie
email
google+ (facebook is dead, or will be in another week)
surf a little
make a LTE video call to mom (broadband cable just died too)
grab phone from charger and log you midnight run
possible ? yep, with todays hardware, less the quad core in the phone.
what's missing? sales. 3 of them:
pc
gamebox
tablet
the phone killed them all,and a one-os-for-all-devices idea killed them. mmm, maybe microsoft forgot about all those license sales too ?
thoughts ?

ohgood said:
one of the reasons I think you'll never see this on windows, or apple:
4.5" screen phone/tab/whatever, quad core, dlna, huge 3000mah battery, here's the scenario....
make a phone call on it on the way home... unlock the house (bluetooth), walk in, toss it on the counter charger and shower. plop on the couch for some entertainment, fire up the bluetooth keyboard/mouse and dlna the phone (is phone accurate anymore?) to the big screeen on the wall.
rent a movie
email
google+ (facebook is dead, or will be in another week)
surf a little
make a LTE video call to mom (broadband cable just died too)
grab phone from charger and log you midnight run
possible ? yep, with todays hardware, less the quad core in the phone.
what's missing? sales. 3 of them:
pc
gamebox
tablet
the phone killed them all,and a one-os-for-all-devices idea killed them. mmm, maybe microsoft forgot about all those license sales too ?
thoughts ?
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I don't see that as missing any sales. It's just that the sales will be structured differently. There will still be consoles, service and content providers, and other ways (possibly not even considered yet) to "network" the phone you describe.
Did the creation of satellite TV services kill cable? No, they adapted. Did Hulu kill either of those services? No. I don't see the scenario you described lessening sales in any respect. I just see smart businesses adapting to take advantage of it. The new Ford MyTouch system is a perfect example of that.

Well I can already send music via DLNA from my Phone to my TV using an LG E900 and an xbox 360 running Windows Media Center. I know that more and more TVs will be getting DLNA and LAN built in but at least for the time being I will always need some kind of set top box (in this case the xbox).
Anyway, I actually like the idea. This way you could write an app that will run on phones, tablets and maybe even the xbox using touchscreens and kinect, respectivly.
Dropping the "Windows" name: Windows is currently mostly known for Windows on the PC as a client and server OS. Windows Phone is not that popular and "Windows" is generally associated with not-so-hip concerning anything but PCs (phones, slates).
Hence, dropping the "windows" name might be a smart move because people might not buy "Windows" for their phone or living room.

This thread will be cleaned soon. Please stay on topic, this is not a debate or argument whether personal opinions on a console = superiority over the clashing view. Or for that matter, anything. Stay on topic from now on, this is the last warning.
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This thread will be cleaned soon. Please stay on topic, this is not a debate or argument whether personal opinions on a console = superiority over the clashing view. Or for that matter, anything. Stay on topic from now on, this is the last warning.
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What Tito said..^.^.^..
Also, just to clarify.....
eric12341 said:
if someone is going to say Xbox sucks then I have the right to say gaystation. the point is that should never have been said in a thread like this.
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You are wrong, this is a petty and childish response to a simple expression of opinion. Just because somebody expresses an opinion that you do not agree with does not entitle you to belittle that opinion. Especially when you resort to juvenile and homophobic insults to do so.
This thread is not about which consoles or social networks are better then the rest. If you wish to post please read the OP again and think about what your posting as any further derailment of this thread will result in its closure.
One more thing, guys, I know its a pain in the ass but if you see a thread heading in this direction then please drop one of the moderation team a PM, posting in thread is not the best way of getting our attention as we may not see it for some time. If you PM me for something like this however, I can usually get to it in a flash. (Unless Im asleep )
Carry on.... business as usual...

~~Tito~~ said:
This thread will be cleaned soon. Please stay on topic, this is not a debate or argument whether personal opinions on a console = superiority over the clashing view. Or for that matter, anything. Stay on topic from now on, this is the last warning.
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I thought I was on topic ? debating the possibility of it happening when sales would be hurt is off topic ?

ohgood said:
I thought I was on topic ? debating the possibility of it happening when sales would be hurt is off topic ?
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Your posts still there, I didnt delete or edit either of your posts...

WOW INTERESTING!! my comments get deleted but the Xbox sucks PS3 FTW still stands? isn't that off topic too? such a comment opinion or not should not have a place in this thread. seems that the mods have some bias against Xbox too ¡increíble! I think this integration is a great idea and I certainly don't see Sony doing anything to combat this other than to create a music unlimited app for android (which isn't even owned by them).

eric12341 said:
WOW INTERESTING!! my comments get deleted but the Xbox sucks PS3 FTW still stands? isn't that off topic too? such a comment opinion or not should not have a place in this thread. seems that the mods have some bias against Xbox too ¡increíble! I think this integration is a great idea and I certainly don't see Sony doing anything to combat this other than to create a music unlimited app for android (which isn't even owned by them).
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I could edit his post so that it reads;
"I'm not a fan of Xbox, I prefer the PS3" but its would still be an expression of the samne opinion. One which is loosely within the topic of the thread.
I absolutely refuse to remove the comment altogether as it used to emphasise the fact that the user likes the idea in general however that part does not interest them.
The problems arise when someone decides to pick up on such a trivial detail and turn it into the focal point of the thread.
Either way, this discussion is over. The thread is back on topic.
And just fyi, there is no bias here, I absolutely could not care less about either Xbox or PS3. I'd much rather fire up the N64 and play through "The Ocarina Of Time"
All that aside, this discussion is over. The thread is back on topic.

Huh.
I'm surprised my comments didn't survive either.

Not a rumor. But confirmed.
Also this is off topic for this board. :|
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