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[Q] juice defender's extreme profile 10% battery after 10 hrs?

So I haven't got a chance to root yet, but i got juice defender on extreme profile and I got 10% battery left after 10 hrs and I haven't even used it that much. I remember before just using the free version I was getting more. I use wifi over mobile network when possible and I make sure wifi is off when leaving the house, but I was home all day. What is everyone else getting and any help? Here is a screen shot.
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Obviously screen brightness is the most of it, but do you think thats accurate? I have it on auto? What should I put it on? How many hours are you guys getting with or without juice defender?

I average around 12hours with 2.5 to 3 hours of screen on time. That's without any kind of battery saver. I have 4g on all day, auto sync on, full brightness on all day. Usually leave my house at 2 to work and when I get out at around 11 I have around 60 to 70%.
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I get typically 3-4 hours of screen time, it seems like, but I'm not doing the most I could.
The total time really just depends on how long it was idle - I've gone over a day, but also used up battery much faster. I typically charge once a day, 16-ish hours from last charge.

I am thinking that you have some other apps running in the background that are polling for notifications. I am also betting that you are not getting very much Deep Sleep due to wakelocks. The only way to really tell is to use Betterbatterystats from the market, but that is a root app, so no joy there.
Only thing that I can offer is the simple approach. Check your Auto-Sync -is it synching all the time, do you have Maps/GoogleNow running all the time, Locations/GPS, Manage Apps>FC apps that you are not using, maybe take a look at your JuiceDefender preferences (I have used JD+ for years and love it-Don't use JDExt though), Lots of downloads/surfing (see Browser is up there on your list),...
Really without Root, it would be hard to diagnose what is "really" eating your battery.

Woodrube said:
I am thinking that you have some other apps running in the background that are polling for notifications. I am also betting that you are not getting very much Deep Sleep due to wakelocks. The only way to really tell is to use Betterbatterystats from the market, but that is a root app, so no joy there.
Only thing that I can offer is the simple approach. Check your Auto-Sync -is it synching all the time, do you have Maps/GoogleNow running all the time, Locations/GPS, Manage Apps>FC apps that you are not using, maybe take a look at your JuiceDefender preferences (I have used JD+ for years and love it-Don't use JDExt though), Lots of downloads/surfing (see Browser is up there on your list),...
Really without Root, it would be hard to diagnose what is "really" eating your battery.
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Why not the extreme profile? Right now I have jd-ultimate and on extreme profile. No good? It basically has all my data off completely. Then I enabled the apps that I use in configuration. This then only allows data for these particular apps but only when I open these apps up for use. I appreciate the help and by no means second guessing you. I just dont understand why the jd plus not using extreme profile is better than jd ultimate using extreme profile. By the way I turned the brightness from auto to all the way down and it seems the battery is a lot better now, but I haven't used the phone as much as the other day so idk.

No, no you are fine. I don't think you are 2nd guessing me at all. I just don't use Extreme because I use the Customize option myself. Plus I have JD+ and not JDUlt. If you want more about my set up, go to my battery guide and post#4. It has my specific settings and how JD really works.
Also, just because you are not actively "using" the app, doesn't mean that it isn't running. If you say set up Twitter to poll for notifications every 15mins, well, that is a User Preference which will take priority over JD's Preferences and will open up your radios, thus causing battery drain.
My main point above was that you need to look at your background processes and see what is running. I am betting that you have some things that are running that you are not aware of and which can be shut down (i.e. media scanner, picasa,...) Get Betterbaterystats from my guide or the market and it will tell you what is running/eating your battery and also what is causing wakelocks and preventing Deep Sleep.

Betterbatterystats is really worth it, I have the apk from here, but plan on buying it next pay cheque.
It will tell you where your battery power is really going. It can be a bit to figure out for a noob, but I just Google things I wasn't sure about.
I think that controlling things myself is the most effective thing to do since I know what I really need I can Erma of functionality and where I can compromise.
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Verizon took out Battery Saver, here's Qualcomm's solution: Snapdragon™ BatteryGuru

I, and a few other users have noticed that Verizon decided to have HTC strip out their battery saver toggle on the Sense ROM (4.2.2) that ships on VZW's One.
Luckily, Qualcomm provides a standalone application which covers 90% of what the toggle does.
Snapdragon™ BatteryGuru
https://play.google.com/store/apps/developer?id=Xiam+Technologies+Limited,+a+Qualcomm+company
(personally, I haven't found the need to use it yet, but I figured it would help some people)

Thanks man, I was looking for that battery saver mode everywhere, but I guess this will do as well.

Thanks for this info. Anyone know if this is particular app will perform better from more generic battery extenders like Juice Defender?

According to the reviews all it does schedule syncing. Don't know how that is going to save battery...

Battery saver apps are a joke. The only thing I liked about power saver mode was that it cut the CPU frequency down and cut data off after a certain period of time. Other than that, if you need to save more just turn your brightness down, turn off bluetooth, use WiFi as much as possible, and use the phone less.

Syn Ack said:
Battery saver apps are a joke. The only thing I liked about power saver mode was that it cut the CPU frequency down and cut data off after a certain period of time. Other than that, if you need to save more just turn your brightness down, turn off bluetooth, use WiFi as much as possible, and use the phone less.
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for my personal use, I 100% agree.

andybones said:
for my personal use, I 100% agree.
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1+ lol

I normally agree - I realized the other day though, that I don't need background *push* email - but I'd like to have my phone "fetch" email every time I wake it up. Anyone know of anything like that?
(there is a manual setting, but it is when you *enter* the mail app, I'd like it to fetch every time I use the phone.)
-D

dweidman said:
I normally agree - I realized the other day though, that I don't need background *push* email - but I'd like to have my phone "fetch" email every time I wake it up. Anyone know of anything like that?
(there is a manual setting, but it is when you *enter* the mail app, I'd like it to fetch every time I use the phone.)
-D
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Think about how often you "actually" need to have your emails and set it to that. For me, my Yahoo emails I don't need it to check but once hourly. But Gmail is push automatically so I won't mess with that. My corporate email defaulted to push but I often don't need it to constantly update and annoy me so I'm contemplating on 30 min intervals. Setting your emails to longer intervals should reduce that "email stress" that most people seem to endure these days.

The app has low power mode controls.
You can turn off mobile data during inactivity.
Some other features.
It basically gives you battery saver control on any Snapdragon based device.

Lol you could always just use BoneStock ROM. Andy threw the battery saver apk from (can't remember dev's handle. sorry) back in it.

BreakingVZW said:
Lol you could always just use BoneStock ROM. Andy threw the battery saver apk from (can't remember dev's handle. sorry) back in it.
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It was actually an .XML edit.
but sane difference

andybones said:
It was actually an .XML edit.
but sane difference
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Yeah... That's what I said... XML :silly:

BreakingVZW said:
Lol you could always just use BoneStock ROM. Andy threw the battery saver apk from (can't remember dev's handle. sorry) back in it.
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What does that battery saver actually do on the phone?
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dspcap said:
What does that battery saver actually do on the phone?
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What does that battery saver actually do on the phone?
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It limits CPU, dims display and disables vibration feedback. Basically everything you can do yourself in stock and if you have a CPU app like SetCPU. Just a one click option that Verizon took out bc they hate battery life I guess idk.

Im running bonestock now, and the power saver has increased my battery life fairly significantly, i'll take that, because at first i wasnt impressed with the battery life, and i watched the ifixit tutorial on how to tear this phone apart to replace a battery, and i want nothing to do with that

Google Maps-GPS consuming battery time even when turned off

If I turn on the GPS, do some navigation or maps and then I turn it off the GPS, google maps keeps draining battery, like in this picture (not mine)
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If I open use details, the GPS keeps running seconds, even when turned off.
Only fixes when reboot.
Currently using AOKP 4.2.2.

GOTCHA.........
srgperez said:
If I turn on the GPS, do some navigation or maps and then I turn it off the GPS, google maps keeps draining battery, like in this picture (not mine)
If I open use details, the GPS keeps running seconds, even when turned off.
Only fixes when reboot.
Currently using AOKP 4.2.2.
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As you mention here on basis of that Sir,i would like to tell you that try making app forced closed and check,because sometimes app like Google Maps or may be Google+ they try to run on background in order to get accurate results,my advice is to use Greenify to hibernate your app,it will not drain your battery or simply just force closed after each use.
Thanks.

dr.patron99 said:
As you mention here on basis of that Sir,i would like to tell you that try making app forced closed and check,because sometimes app like Google Maps or may be Google+ they try to run on background in order to get accurate results,my advice is to use Greenify to hibernate your app,it will not drain your battery or simply just force closed after each use.
Thanks.
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Thanks for your reply, but force closing nor greenify solves the problem.
It's weird since the GPS is disabled but keeps showing battery running time

Probably...
srgperez said:
Thanks for your reply, but force closing nor greenify solves the problem.
It's weird since the GPS is disabled but keeps showing battery running time
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Sir,as far as i know than only remaining issue related to your rom's kernel because it might happen that unsuitable kernel drains battery more faster than ever you could imagine.
That's why i only use those ROM which i think more like stable and smooth along with Awesome kernel regarding battery work.:good:
Hint:Turn off display basically for android is hibernate mode,in which phone usually in standby mode so battery remains that much as much you have seen last time or may be few percent less but not that huge as in your pic shown.
Try flashing different ROM,like for now i'm using CM11 Mustaavalcosta's kernel which is quite stable since first day for me to use it daily basis.
Give a try but make backup first.
Thanks.

dr.patron99 said:
Sir,as far as i know than only remaining issue related to your rom's kernel because it might happen that unsuitable kernel drains battery more faster than ever you could imagine.
That's why i only use those ROM which i think more like stable and smooth along with Awesome kernel regarding battery work.:good:
Hint:Turn off display basically for android is hibernate mode,in which phone usually in standby mode so battery remains that much as much you have seen last time or may be few percent less but not that huge as in your pic shown.
Try flashing different ROM,like for now i'm using CM11 Mustaavalcosta's kernel which is quite stable since first day for me to use it daily basis.
Give a try but make backup first.
Thanks.
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Sorry for replying so late and thanks for your reply.
I've been very busy with my final exams.
The only thing that annoys me is the GPS running time even being turned off.
At the moment I fix it rebooting the phone as I don't use the GPS frequently but is very annoying.
When I have enough time I'll test other builds/kernels.
Thank you.

[Q] Android OS and Android System battery usage

Was wondering where everyones battery usage was sitting at for these two services. Mine are both constantly on top and i cant figure out why. Anyone have this same problem or is this the new norm?

I had same issue for a day...I just went through all my apps that may be refreshing or syncing and turned everything off that I didn't need. I do have my weather widget on lock screen refreshing every hour but it doesn't seem to effect my battery at all. I'd say something is running in the background
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slowz3r said:
Was wondering where everyones battery usage was sitting at for these two services. Mine are both constantly on top and i cant figure out why. Anyone have this same problem or is this the new norm?
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Same issue I had with my S4 once updating to KitKat and unfortunately, It's basically the same on the Note 4.

These are always near the top now with Kitkat. Was the same on my Note 3.

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Ajar near the top, but I don't worry about it too much unless it's the top thing on the list..
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This is where its at for me today. I mean it seems normal as far as life and stuff goes but the cpu usuage is something ive never really

My best so far with this phone.. Actually, on a stock phone with stock battery, I think the best I have ever had.. This goofy thing just seems to get better and better. I definately like very much!
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MatroxD said:
My best so far with this phone.. Actually, on a stock phone with stock battery, I think the best I have ever had.. This goofy thing just seems to get better and better. I definately like very much!
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Ive been having the Android System / OS problem...battery life has been terrible lately. I have no clue why....any ideas guys?

I had this problem too, for me it turns out to be caused by the phone hanging while syncing.
Go to Settings > Account > Google > (your account) and check if there is a syncing symbol that is persistent (like it will just not disappear after a couple minutes). If your case is like mine, that's what is keeping your phone awake and reducing your battery life. For me, I removed my Google account then re-added it just to make sure it was that one thing hanging (which in my case was Google Play Movies & TV), and when the results were the same, I unchecked the culprit and my battery life returned to normal.
I don't know why Google Play Movies & TV hangs when syncing for me, but since disabling sync for it I've had no other issue with my battery life.
Hope that helps

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I had this problem too, for me it turns out to be caused by the phone hanging while syncing.
Go to Settings > Account > Google > (your account) and check if there is a syncing symbol that is persistent (like it will just not disappear after a couple minutes). If your case is like mine, that's what is keeping your phone awake and reducing your battery life. For me, I removed my Google account then re-added it just to make sure it was that one thing hanging (which in my case was Google Play Movies & TV), and when the results were the same, I unchecked the culprit and my battery life returned to normal.
I don't know why Google Play Movies & TV hangs when syncing for me, but since disabling sync for it I've had no other issue with my battery life.
Hope that helps
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I Wish i could hug you! Hahaha! You are right on! It was my Google Play Movies and TV! Its hung up! Im going to uncheck it too. I really cant thank you enough! Thats why i love this board...people are so helpful!

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My best so far with this phone.. Actually, on a stock phone with stock battery, I think the best I have ever had.. This goofy thing just seems to get better and better. I definately like very much!
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How do you get such high screen on time? I get 4-5 hours of screen time on lowest brightness.

Battery drains fast ( + screenshots)

Hi,
I noticed lately that my battery is draining fast. Like 1 percent for 50 minutes (In the best case) when the phone is on airplane mode and I don't touch it at all.
When I actually use the phone it goes down to like 2-3 minutes to 1 percent of battery.
I don't have root at all but used my PC to gain access for Wakelock Detector and as you can see in the pic I got 30 minutes of malwarebytes (I have the premium version with real time protection)
But usually Whatsapp is the one on the top with the most time on CPU
I have a few screenshots of Wakelock Detector in CPU, Wakeup triggers, and kernel wakelock. And almost a screenshot from AccuBattery app. I hope I can get to the solution with your help
Also I heard about AKT that you can get 7-14 screen time hours with it. Can I use it on my device? (of course after I root it)
Thanks in advance
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Rocket Wizard said:
Hi,
I noticed lately that my battery is draining fast. Like 1 percent for 50 minutes (In the best case) when the phone is on airplane mode and I don't touch it at all.
When I actually use the phone it goes down to like 2-3 minutes to 1 percent of battery.
I don't have root at all but used my PC to gain access for Wakelock Detector and as you can see in the pic I got 30 minutes of malwarebytes (I have the premium version with real time protection)
But usually Whatsapp is the one on the top with the most time on CPU
I have a few screenshots of Wakelock Detector in CPU, Wakeup triggers, and kernel wakelock. And almost a screenshot from AccuBattery app. I hope I can get to the solution with your help
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you should uninstall malwarebytes if you want battery drain to stop. malwarebytes is malware by itself
And then, you may want to tweak whatsapp, it consumes too much power

Billy Madison said:
you should uninstall malwarebytes if you want battery drain to stop. malwarebytes is malware by itself
And then, you may want to tweak whatsapp, it consumes too much power
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How can I tweak whatsapp?
Btw I noticed that when I close whatsapp my battery is pretty normal so I think whatsapp is the main cause. I got pretty good battery even when malwarebytes was on and whatsapp always seems to take most of the battery bt AccuBattery app.

So 50 minutes for 1% with apps running isn't bad... And I see you're connected to network with two bars on 4G is that LTE or HSPA variant like TMobile does? 2 bars is going to drain your battery because your modem is going to keep trying to get better signal.. none of your screen shots show you in airplane mode as well

I said that I tried to put the phone in airplane mode and even closed all no-system apps with greenify but even then the battery went down 1 percent every 50 minutes.
Btw can resetting the device can work?
If I will choose reset it I will unlock the bootloader and root the phone too
And I still don't know if I can use AKM on my phone with snapdragon 845 after & after the phone is rooted)

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Btw can resetting the device can work?
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Of course no, if you'll continue to use watsapp.
How to tweak it must be described in general android discussions, I bet there's plenty of advices

Billy Madison said:
Of course no, if you'll continue to use watsapp.
How to tweak it must be described in general android discussions, I bet there's plenty of advices
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Lol I accidentaly commented from another device so it's a different account. Anyway, do you think the problem appears because it's Whatsapp Plus (which has a kind of malware in it which stoles data, but still I decided to keep it because of the features) or it's like that in normal whatsapp too?
If I will root my phone I will be able to find an alternative for the Whatsapp Plus features while using the normal whatsapp from the playstore so just wanted to know if whatsapp has this wakelock problem globaly (Don't know if this is the place, tell me where I can open a thread on it if this isn't the place ?)