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TouchWiz UI or Plain Android

I really like the vanilla version of Android with nothing skinned or running on top like Sense UI or TouchWiz. Just wanted to get a sense of what prospective buyers think about it.
Edit: This might give the devs an idea of what people want on their phones, if given the choice.

From what I've seen of TouchWiz, am looking forward to it. Am kinda bored of Sense now.

I actually like the customizable horizontal app list, even if its a copy of the iphone's menu.
The only thing I dislike about it is that you get the little square of colored background behind each application, instead of just black, it just feels wrong. Rest of the touchwiz looks ok.
Didn't try stock android yet (using HTC sense on Desire atm), but I presume you can use an alternative launcher to get it working?

I really like stock, but Sense UI is even nicer sometimes but not always, I prefer the white in the Stock with the orange.
However, the dialer and contacts are nicest on Sense UI, especially the dialer, and also the Keyboard.
I really like what I have seen from TouchWiz so far and I am really looking forward to it, I like the additions they added and I prefer a lot more a horizontal menu over vertical where I get lost quickly in the Sense UI (on my magic).
TouchWiz looks well optimized, however I read that many Singaporeans are experiencing a bit of slow launch when launching applications but other than that it's very smooth they say. I even noticed in the videos it takes time to quit or open some applications. But it can be fixed.

I must say i'm a bit shocked at the results so far, however few there are. In my experience with TouchWiz I've only had headaches. Again that is my personal experience.
When this phone goes out to the masses I'm sure there will be development to suit all our tastes. Looks like I'll be rooting for the CyanMod port lol.

Lenovo Lephone looks nice too >_>
hehe yeah not many have that.
Either way, are you going to sell N1 or keep it when you get the sammy?
I never tried Touchwiz btw, many said that before it was bad but in this new galaxy S it's much better and smoother... but arrg people are having problems in Singapore with cameras not launching lol "memory error" problems.. wow.. very sad..
Maybe that's the beginning of headaches?? such a powerful phone with a very nice camera, I hope it comes out optimized since they have until the 17th of June.

Not to mention,users are having major problems in syncing the phone to pc and especially on macs. That is one major issues considering that you have some 13gb of storage on the phone.

If the Galaxy S comes to Tmobile I will try it out for a bit since I'm up for an upgrade, so I'll be selling either one when I find which i'll be happier with. hopefully it comes out to 200 on contract.
As a side note, the Motorola Extreme is looking very nice, just wish it wasn't on Verizon, expensive plans.

Its About the content :
Widgets + Icons = Sense UI
Gallery + Menu + Launcher = Vanilla Android
Music Player + Social = Sony's X10 UI
TouchWiz have nothing expect the gesture (if you slide a contact right you'll make a call , left to message) , i hope i get the option to turn it off like Sense

Touchwiz looks like a hybrid between iphone UI and android UI and what i liked about it is that it did toke the most notable advantages of both
and if you look closely at the UI you'll see that it's not just UI be it is packed media player and photo Gallary so it's a whole package

I've ordered this phone because the TouchWiz adjustments look minimal.
The only huge difference i can see is the program launcher and the docked bar.
Obviously other things are going to be slightly different but things that are already good in Android are still there, for example the Picture gallery is pure Nexus One.
As i see it TouchWiz just wanted to be Android from the start, a widget based homescreen interface, and because of that the Galaxy S just becomes Android with some improvements. And if thats not true then a flagship phone is bound to get some developers working so there are going to be options anyway!

In terms of the feature tweaks of TouchWiz (stuff like horizontal app launcher scroll, slide left/right on contacts to call/text, etc) I pretty much like everything Samsung's added/changed with TouchWiz. But in terms of pure aesthetics and graphical style, it is simply not nearly as polished as HTC's Sense or Vanilla Android.

hmm i'm considering getting this for as my first android phone but the touchwiz interface doesn't really appeal to me. I'd rather use the Sense and its widgets. Tried a htc desire and thought it was really nice

I do not appreciate TouchWiz,it looks uncomfortable and not very convenient ！！！ that is my personal experience.A plain android is OK ！and I can use the launcher application to change the UI whenever I like！！but if anyone who can develop a UI which is more beautiful，I will have a try！！！

Can't you install something like launcher pro to have an original like launcher?

nomedor said:
Can't you install something like launcher pro to have an original like launcher?
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Yes we can (according to users who have the phone and have tried to..)

Touchwizz
touchwizz with ics look for sgs2 port xxlph for galaxy s

It's funny how in the forums you always see people complaining about TW and yet the poll shows that it is favoured over sense.
Anyway, comparing the ICS roms and stock Samsung roms I've used, I do like many aspects of touchwiz, like the notifications controls and the custamizable app drawer.

KnightMAREcrow said:
I really like the vanilla version of Android with nothing skinned or running on top like Sense UI or TouchWiz. Just wanted to get a sense of what prospective buyers think about it.
Edit: This might give the devs an idea of what people want on their phones, if given the choice.
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sony erricsson interface

[req] samsung touchwiz 3.0 UI

not sure if its even possible, or maybe not yet. but with 2 galaxy s phones being out i was wondering if its possible to get a touchwiz 3.0 ui instead of sense. I actually really like the layout and design and all the little tweaks it has. Is it possible to get a complete port of the ui to the evo?

It's possible in the context of "anything is possible" but I would bet my money on it never happening.
If TouchWiz is anything like sense, it's integrated into numerous parts of the Android OS all over the place. TouchWiz is also proprietary to Samsung, like Sense is to HTC. In other words, there isn't source code for developers to "port" from. This would be a large task even if source code was available.
IMHO I would rather see someone's time spent either helping others find solutions that meet your needs that are already available or implementing an open source solution that would work on more than just the EVO.
Just my 0.02c feel free to correct me on whatever.

yeah thats what i thought :/ i just love the bottom down, style of icons, and all the menu styles

Interesting. I though most people hated/disliked TouchWiz.
It's definitely not the prettiest interface out there, but it does its job. If you like it build it, but as for me, I'll stick with vanilla Android.
Although a community based UI (above just a new launcher) that incorporated some of the features out there like weather, social networks, etc. would definitely be a welcome change, as it could be streamlined for speed optimizations.
Just my $.02.
~Jasecloud4

If a dev could find a dump and port it over, that's essentially what ava did with his froyo sense rom.
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well i posted a thread here, since realizing a whole rom for that ui might be to much, maybe just asking for the launcher. i know the touchwiz launcher apk works on the evo, but none of the widgets load.
is it possible to replace the launcher on my dc rom with the touchwiz one?

samrozzi said:
well i posted a thread here, since realizing a whole rom for that ui might be to much, maybe just asking for the launcher. i know the touchwiz launcher apk works on the evo, but none of the widgets load.
is it possible to replace the launcher on my dc rom with the touchwiz one?
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Maybe this is a great opportunity for you to get involved with the community and start learning about how this stuff works.
Looks like the stock ROM for the Galaxy S can be obtained here (the Vibrant)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=728698
You could always start taking it apart and try to isolate the TouchWiz components and "bake" them into your own Android ROM.
Looks like there's a good place to start for cooking your own ROM here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=633246
...and you'll probably want to read up on Android in general so I'd encourage you to Google up the SDK.

thought this would be a good place to post this.

TouchWiz has some nice stuff. I kinda like the launcher, and there are some kinda useful widgets. I hate the icons, and some of the other theme stuff.
I think what you want will kind exist though. Most of the widgets have as good or better equivalents in the market, and ADW launcher offers the sideways sliding app drawer, and as mentioned above we have the launcher available.
I think skinning would be the missing part to really get a nice TouchWiz feel. Someone could make an icon theme, and maybe themed versions of some market sourced widgets that have the TouchWiz look and feel.
I wanted a more AOSP rom and started working on my own and learned a ton, but then tjohnson's ROM really filled the hole better than I could, so I never released anything. If you can get into this an start breaking stuff apart, I think there are enough people out there that would want TouchWiz to make it worth while, but if you aren't up to the effort of porting, skinning would probably achieve most of what you want with a lot less effort.

after installing the apk, make sure you go to menu>settings>applications>HTC Sense and clear defaults then force stop.

Drr, there was a whole other point I forgot.
This is why I am excited about launcher Pro right now. Fede sees that a lot of people like Sense, and realized that he can really implement the great parts of Sense on his own with some effort. This have several benefits. One is giving Sense-like features to those with phones that don't come with it, and allowing people to choose what parts they do or do not want to use. We kinda already do this in custom mods and themeing, but his work will work on non-rooted phones too. Right now his focus is Sense-like widgets, but the same type of effort could be made for TouchWiz or Blur type widgets, and additionally everything could be skinned together, really giving users a great choice without having to give up much at all.

laydros said:
Drr, there was a whole other point I forgot.
This is why I am excited about launcher Pro right now. Fede sees that a lot of people like Sense, and realized that he can really implement the great parts of Sense on his own with some effort. This have several benefits. One is giving Sense-like features to those with phones that don't come with it, and allowing people to choose what parts they do or do not want to use. We kinda already do this in custom mods and themeing, but his work will work on non-rooted phones too. Right now his focus is Sense-like widgets, but the same type of effort could be made for TouchWiz or Blur type widgets, and additionally everything could be skinned together, really giving users a great choice without having to give up much at all.
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I love LauncherPro. Been using it since version 0.0.2, or whatever. I just hope that now that he is charging for the app, HTC doesn't come down on him with a cease and desist letter. He does seem to be copying the Sense UI, now with the scrollable widgets, and the setup of the widgets.

tokuzumi said:
I love LauncherPro. Been using it since version 0.0.2, or whatever. I just hope that now that he is charging for the app, HTC doesn't come down on him with a cease and desist letter. He does seem to be copying the Sense UI, now with the scrollable widgets, and the setup of the widgets.
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but the widgets and such have a different look and better functionality/fluidity. It is not truly based off sense UI, Any body can make something that looks similar but works differently. I supported him day one with LP+ for 2.99. Well worth it.

[q] Pros and Cons of Sense and No-Sense on Desire?

Hi all!
As per topic, actually.
I hope this is the right section to ask for this, as I want to make it specific for the Desire ROMs and not all the ROMs with Sense or No Sense.
I plan on getting an HTC Desire and having a custom ROM right away (that is, after going through all the required process of rooting etc.).
My question is the following:
What should I ask myself when choosing between a Sense and No Sense ROM(other than the UI experience)?
While doing a research through the forum I found some answers, however nothing was too informative. E.g. I found out that if one wants to play games in a custom ROM he should go for a No Sense ROM.
Is it because Sense ROM affects the performance or is it because of the way its settings are that does not interact with games well.
Does this happen to other kinds of applications as well?
Is there anything else that one needs to keep in mind when chosing for a ROM when it comes to Sense or No Sense?
Why go for Sense and why for No Sense?
I realize this is too much to ask, but as I searched through the forum and did not find anything specific, I believe that this will be helpful information for Desire newbies like me.
Thank you!

This may not answer your question in the depth you asked but from my own experience after using roms with and without sense I prefer the ones with sense.
Did not find any appreciable difference in speed but prefered sense roms from a purely aesthtic point of view.
Best idea is to get the phone and try different roms to see what you like. There are so many roms and everybody has their favourite that you will not get a definative answer.

The fun part is, once you are rooted you can test all ROMs and see which work best for you.
You can either spend hours trying to find an answer to this particular question or you can just try a couple of them and see what works best for you.
Sense comes with a couple of wonderful apps, which you lose (like the FM-radio) when you use a non-Sense ROM.
I don't need them per se, so I am currently on WhiteXperience, which is non-sense.
This ROM is extremely fast with low battery usage, which makes it great for playing games.
New ROMs come out every day and they get better and better each day.

A Thread with a question I also want to know since several weeks
If I get a no Sense ROM do I lose all HTC specific programs.
Widgets, ok, no issue. I don't use them either. Use Launcher Pro.
But programs, especially the mail client, how's that? Do I have to search a new one from the Market? I don't think there is one available as powerful as the HTC one.

I prefer using the sense roms cause I get the sense dialer which I much prefer over the stock Android dialer, including the contacts manager. However in using adw launcher as it feels much faster than the sense interface
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Rymon said:
E.g. I found out that if one wants to play games in a custom ROM he should go for a No Sense ROM.
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I've not heard that one before! I've no problems playing games with a Sense ROM.
Regards,
Dave

I love sense and can't do without it now. Sense-less roms feel really empty and boring to me now.

Doesn't really answer your question, but there are a couple ROMs that have the UI portion of sense (i believe its called rosie) removed and then had the dialer/contacts/etc ported to work with stock or alternate launchers. Iirc Cyanogen is one like this... might help you out going that route too..
As to the actual question.. I have noticed that non-sense roms do seem to be a noticeably faster, but its usually cause most are highly tweaked for increased performance and usually include a2sd+. A lot of the sense roms are also tweaked as well, but usually include the froyo a2sd, which doesn't seem to be as much of a performance boost. Onto of which most of the tweaked to the sense based roms are for UI improvements, themes, etc. And not as hardcore performance based...
Just my 2 cents... IMHO... Take it as you will
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

sbdags said:
I love sense and can't do without it now. Sense-less roms feel really empty and boring to me now.
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I had a Motorola Milestone previously so I'm used to the stock Android.. if you want something with a little more umph, I really recommend LauncherPro (and LP Plus). My fav launcher by far!
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

mikeandjaimie said:
Doesn't really answer your question, but there are a couple ROMs that have the UI portion of sense (i believe its called rosie) removed and then had the dialer/contacts/etc ported to work with stock or alternate launchers. Iirc Cyanogen is one like this... might help you out going that route too..
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Just an fyi, but CyanogenMod is most assuredly *nothing* like this.
CyanogenMod is based on AOSP Android, but has been significantly customized from the original source. It owes nothing to the Sense frameworks that HTC have built into their own version of Android.
Regards,
Dave

foxmeister said:
Just an fyi, but CyanogenMod is most assuredly *nothing* like this.
CyanogenMod is based on AOSP Android, but has been significantly customized from the original source. It owes nothing to the Sense frameworks that HTC have built into their own version of Android.
Regards,
Dave
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Sorry yeah I worded it wrong.. I should have said sense-less ROMs that have some of the sense components ported. My bad, but thanks for pointing it out.
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Thank you everyone!
I will follow your advice and try out different ROMS of both UIs (Sense and non-Sense) and see which of the two I prefer.
I will most probably start with a Sense ROM and if I stumble upon any issues I will try the other one as well.
Can you please point me towards two or three ROMs of each UI that I should definitely try out?
As for the battery efficiency of the ROM I do not worry. I have stumbled upon a couple of threads that IMHO give the best advice I could get when it comes to managing several phone settings in order to reduce power drainage.

Try this one, you can remove Sense very quickly if you want, but Sense Dialer will stay, which is better anyway.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=741661

You wouldn't go wrong trying the Cyanogenmod ROM, its a non-sense one, but as stated before, very tweaked.
As regards one of the other posters, an excellent replacement for the mail app is K-9, you'll find it in the market, and its been my mail app of choice since I owned my G1, it handles IMAP very well, though I've not tried it with an exchange server, so can't comment there
Hope that helps

Tried many sense and non-sense roms. This is what I found:
HTC Sense roms have:
- Better Gallery, faster and with better zoom
- Better Dialer, faster, sleek and functional
- Better and nicer graphics for contacts
- Better camera application. Touch focus (coming to non-sense), better autofocus
- Better integrated Clipboard and selection mode
- Some other HTC applications for News, Twitter, Plurk, Facebook, Weather, etc. But these can be replaced more easily
- Some nice widgets for the above applications. They have a very nice graphic appearance
- (subjective) better memory management, I find AOSP builds too aggressive in some regards
- Nice touches like usb-plugging choice, Bluetooth FTP, etc
- Medium-high auto brightness levels
For Non-Sense roms you get:
- many kernels to choose, OC, UV, etc. At least until htc froyo source is released
- crazy high benchmarks if you OC
- much more configurability, mainly for the interface
- configurable Auto-brightness
- system wide equalizer
- some stuff I don't use (so I don't know well) like OpenVPN
- WiFi N ?
- Cyanogen Renders (in some)
- many new tweaks and releases every week
personally I really don't mind the bugs and quirks you sometimes get in AOSP roms, but I can't really live with the available alternatives to the HTC Gallery, Dialer and Camera.
Anyway these are some of the possible replacements for HTC stuff:
- Email client -> Maildroid
- Dialer -> Dialer One
- Gallery -> .... uuuuhmmmm .... errrr..... either Stock 3D Gallery or Just Pictures. They are both crap in my opinion
- Camera -> Vignette or just use stock Nexus One
- Home Launcher -> Many to choose
- News -> Feedr
- Twitter -> official client

[Q] [REQ] Motoblur Rom with Sense, possible?

Hi there,
I was just wondering if it is possible to build a rom with htc sense in it. It would be nice if I even could install some of the sense widgets.
Thanks
shyd

you sure you want that?
i think htc sense is pretty ****ty
who knows what are these options in the defy, red point circle for example when you highlight some parts of the text and the magnifier pops up so that you know what you're selecting
i like that,
and the 2 sticks at the end and start of the text youre selecting
are these parts of motoblur or i can get them on other phones?

not sure you'll get anyone to port a Sense ROM to the defy but there are plenty of 'Sense'-like widgets out there. Id recommend Weather and Clock widgets and also LauncherPro (if you get the paid 'plus' version you get something that resembles FriendStream and various other great widgets).
I have a HTC Desire (and therefore Sense) but rarely dip back into the Sense Launcher or widgets these days .....

It's possible but it has legal risk, HTC might indict the developer who transplant HTC Sense to other devices.

mariu$ said:
you sure you want that?
i think htc sense is pretty ****ty
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Everyone's entitled to their own opinion.
The OP's wish to have Sense is at least as valid as your comments.
Personally speaking, I'd say there's no arguing that Sense is a million times better than Blur.
Unlike Blur which is an unmitigated disaster, it actually makes the phone easier/better to use in a number of ways.
A friend for the Desire yesterday and I was helping her set it up, even things like linking your contacts list to your facebook account are just night and day better than the crap Motorola have dumped on us.
I know it's hardly the most important feature of a phone but in many ways that's my point, even the little extras are just so much better than how Blur handles even the basics.
Now I'm not saying I want Sense as a whole on my phone, I'm much happier with LauncherPro but I wouldn't mind some of it's features, that's for sure.

I like sense rom's and perfer them over the latest and greatest CM Vanillas. I have a G2 and have scored a stable 2800+ with Virtuous Sense Rom, and have run vanilla CM's and don't feel i'm missing anything in performance or options. Sense for me is where its at, blur has a few nice things but as a package it suxs. As for is it possible, I'm sure it is, if HTC's next "high End" device implimented Motorola Boot protection, I gaurentee it would be cracked, its just that the Defy is considered midrange which it is (yet its potential is great) and doesn't get the attention that the flag ship products like the Nexus S get.
mariu$ said:
you sure you want that?
i think htc sense is pretty ****ty
who knows what are these options in the defy, red point circle for example when you highlight some parts of the text and the magnifier pops up so that you know what you're selecting
i like that,
and the 2 sticks at the end and start of the text youre selecting
are these parts of motoblur or i can get them on other phones?
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Thanks guys, I took a look at several LauncherPro Widgets and found some nice ones.
Now scrolling between homescreens is even smoother than in motoblur!

[Q] what limitations does a sense rom have as oppose to a ASOP rom?

I have read that sense roms have limitations on them and i was just wondering what are the of mods can you do on an Asop rom vs a Sense rom? T.I.A.

Opinions vary widely here - I'll attempt an objective explanation.
Sense is the layer of goodies HTC puts onto the device - like the neato weather animation, the Rosie (launcher, at the most basic level) at the bottom, etc.
VZW, while not HTC or part of Sense, also puts stuff on the device.
AOSP has (in most cases) none of the 'value added' goodies from HTC Sense or VZW.
The AOSP ROM is built from the source code for the device - hence the acronym - AOSP=Android Open Source Project.
Most widgets from Sense do not work on AOSP - a couple Sense apps do, like the flashlight, FM Radio, a few others. I suppose this could be labeled a limitation, but that's opinion. Conversely, many of the apps or widgets emulating certain Sense functions are available in the market.
All that said, users form their own opinions/experience based on what they utilize from Sense, VZW, and AOSP itself.
Try on an AOSP ROM and see what you think - there's Froyo and Gingerbread flavors available.

smtom said:
Opinions vary widely here - I'll attempt an objective explanation.
Sense is the layer of goodies HTC puts onto the device - like the neato weather animation, the Rosie (launcher, at the most basic level) at the bottom, etc.
VZW, while not HTC or part of Sense, also puts stuff on the device.
AOSP has (in most cases) none of the 'value added' goodies from HTC Sense or VZW.
The AOSP ROM is built from the source code for the device - hence the acronym - AOSP=Android Open Source Project.
Most widgets from Sense do not work on AOSP - a couple Sense apps do, like the flashlight, FM Radio, a few others. I suppose this could be labeled a limitation, but that's opinion. Conversely, many of the apps or widgets emulating certain Sense functions are available in the market.
All that said, users form their own opinions/experience based on what they utilize from Sense, VZW, and AOSP itself.
Try on an AOSP ROM and see what you think - there's Froyo and Gingerbread flavors available.
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All of this is very true.
From a user-perspective this is what you'll see differently.
1. Camera/Camcorder/Gallery - This is generally better on Sense ROMs for our phone because they were made for our phone. And as for gallery, I prefer the 2d Sense gallery vs the 3d gallery in AOSP ROMs that often are buggy for me.
2. Dialer - I like to be able to use the T9 to type in my contacts names (yes I know there are 3rd party programs that do this, I'm talking strictly AOSP).
3. Rosie Launcher - Like stated before, the launcher is good if you use the widgets and stuff, I personally don't use it though.
4. Smoothness vs Snappiness - In my experience, AOSP ROMs are snappier, which means there is more "raw power" feel to it. Sense is very smooth, some things might take milliseconds longer to load, but it feels very smooth and I think the overall feel is nicer.
Basically, our phone was designed in mind to have HTC Sense on it. With AOSP ROMs, some of the features feel "botched" (in my opinion, the camera/camcorder is botched the most). But there are really no "limitations" to either, they are both android after all.

TheWhiteBandito said it very well.. that was essentially my experience with everything. i stayed away from AOSP for a while because i really liked the sense camera/camcorder, gallery app, dialer, calculator, and a few little things. I think i used launcher pro so rosie didn't matter much for me.
Now i'm on MIUI which is AOSP but it has some SERIOUS customizations. it has its own camera and gallery apps which are similar to the sense apps. the dialer i think is better than AOSP and Sense dialers. it also offers tons of other customizations which are really great. check it out

The only thing I think I would miss from Sense is the fact I miss so many widgets.

You could try widgetsoid from the Market. I really liked the Sense Widgets, but widgetsoid is actually more advanced. You can make all sorts of custom widget bars and even load into the notification pull down. I also run Launcher Pro instead of Sense launcher. It works better and you can do a lot more with it. Rosie was an improvement when all you had was stock Donut, but these days there are better options and HTC has not really kept up.
That being said, I still like a lot about Sense. In particular, the Mail app, Facebook sync and photo posting, Camera, Gallery, and overall aesthetics. It would be hard to give these up.
(Oh, and download the Gingerbread keyboard from the Market.)

As others have said its not necessarily limitations but more the look and feel of the OS. Honestly, while I do love the Sense flip clock, the only two widgets I really missed were the full page calendar and friends. Now that I'm on CM7 I use LauncherPro Plus and the full page widgets are almost exactly the same look and function of the Sense ones. Play around with different combinations of both Sense and AOSP and see what you think.
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thanks everyone, all that was very informative. currently using inc re-engineered z and liking it a lot but i might try MIUI for an ASOP rom since it sounds like it doesn't have problems with the camera/camcorder

gemitero said:
thanks everyone, all that was very informative. currently using inc re-engineered z and liking it a lot but i might try MIUI for an ASOP rom since it sounds like it doesn't have problems with the camera/camcorder
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MIUI is indeed cool, but stay away from the newest (3.18) if you want to use 720p video recording. Until something happens to get us the drivers for our camera on gingerbread, that capability will be unavailable.

I actually have MIUI GB version on my SD card. I was planning to try it out but I'm so amazed how this miui rom is so diiferent from sense. Its like I need to learn how to use my dinc all over again lol. Thanks for the heads up. Ill eventually flash the GB version to try it out but I'm enjoying this one right now
Sent from my HTC Incredible using XDA App

Thats the best way to go about it is try for yourself. Every dinc is slightly different from other dinc's some are great some are good some are bad. So try try try and you will find the flavor that suits you and your dinc the best.