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Well it seems we have another broken promise here: "The truth about Windows Phone 7, software updates, and carriers’ ability to block those updates"
Hey Microsoft, where did remain the equal user experience on every WP7 device in the world? Why are you allowing every OEM/carrier to ruin (again) the whole thing? Really, WTF you're doing?
Actually, this has been discussed at length in mutliple threads.
The carriers can block OTA updates, but updates through Zune come directly from MS and are therefor unblockable - which is the way base OS updates arrive.
Wrong. They can block the WiFi/Zune updates as well. Just read the article. So for example, it's very likely that all of those, who bought a phone now (they are available only through carriers) won't get the major update at January.
There is still debate over this.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-20022445-75.html
All will be reveled after the first update.
But, if the carrier can block it, can't you just unlock the phone and then install the update via Zune?
Sir. Haxalot said:
But, if the carrier can block it, can't you just unlock the phone and then install the update via Zune?
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Stick in a different sim card and then they can't block the update via Zune
Cutting through the FUD about Windows Phone updates
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/cutting-through-the-fud-about-windows-phone-updates/2596
and they can only block the update for that round, not indefinitely. if they request a block at one round, the next will include that previous update. so really if MS update it frequently, the most you'll ever be behind is the last update.
Exactly and I am hoping by then we will have custom ROMs
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Camn down mate
There will be a solution to this all. If not then there are some really good ppl out here who will have custom roms.
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I actually think this is all a giant furphy.
Currently on all aussie HTC W7 phones you can remove HTC and Carrier apps if you don't want them (I'm guessing this would be the same world wide) I have done this on my mozart a few times now. The HTC hub is (in my opinion) is crap and on my phone it is gone. Same with the telstra stuff.
While that is allowed, and given the current MS criteria of having the phones locked down the way the appear to be I doubt anyone will be able to control updates except MS themselves.
my 2 cents worth and you won't convince me otherwise.
BlueAnt1958 said:
...I doubt anyone will be able to control updates except MS themselves.
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The info comes from Joe Belfiore, corporate vice president and director of Windows Phone Program Management. So if he doesn’t know how the updates would be rolled up, I can't imagine who knows
Another good article on the topic: "Has Microsoft put Windows Phone 7 updates in the hands of the carriers?"
martoto said:
The info comes from Joe Belfiore, corporate vice president and director of Windows Phone Program Management. So if he doesn’t know how the updates would be rolled up, I can't imagine who knows
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Belfiore knows very well but the ZDNet guy didn't properly interpret Belfiore's statement. Did you read janemanno1's post in the first page?
martoto said:
So for example, it's very likely that all of those, who bought a phone now (they are available only through carriers) won't get the major update at January.
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Would love to hear the logic that led you to this conclusion.
Even if a carrier could block an update, I don't think they would do so without very good reason because it would cause a lot of negative press. If all WP7 users received, for instance, cut 'n' paste in January, but Orange blocked the update, all the fools on Orange would be incensed as their non-Orange mates taunted them mercilessly. Big no-no.
It's probably a minor concession Microsoft made to carriers and it might be there just to give them time to protest to Microsoft about, for instance, an update that includes tethering or VOIP.
I wouldn't get my knickers in a twist over it if I were you. Just buy an unlocked phone and switch carriers if they block an update you want. If you lock yourself into a two year contract then I'm afraid you'll just have to suck it up.
Question
Did any one received an update for WP7???
It's end of January already!!!!
Let me know.
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Did any one received an update for WP7???
It's end of January already!!!!
Let me know.
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No one has received one yet, because it hasn't been released yet. In fact, Microsoft never confirmed an update was coming in January. The closest they got was having the web page for the patch have "january-update" in the URL, which they soon changed. Apparently the page itself said "January Update" but I don't recall ever seeing that, and even if they did, it has since been replaced. It's still coming.
Plenty of people had been postulating that Nodo would be released today, but I do vaguely recall seeing an article on Monday saying it would be out "next week".
Anyone got any ideas?
I'm still waiting/looking for my first update. I guess I don't need it if the new one comes out considering all previous patches are supposed to be rolled into it.
The rumors have all been for today, with the exception of one that said yesterday was the day. The only official word from MS has been "first two weeks of March," which means we still have 6 more days to wait until they end up being made into liars.
No specific date set yet officially. My advice is don't get excited until Microsoft officially announces it or people start getting it. Whichever comes first. I just can't see it coming out without an officially announcement first.
Let us hope for the sanity of some that it comes out today. What ever happened to patience is a virtue?
The official word was "early March" so it could be anytime between today and next week. No one really knows, the March 8th date was a rumour.
Given that device-specific 7389 ROMs have started to appear (HTC Mozart and Trophy at least) I get the feeling that something is imminent. Just how imminent is, of course, another matter....
I got the update thing today, dunno if it pre NoDo or NoDo, don't have any data cables at school :/
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I got the update thing today, dunno if it pre NoDo or NoDo, don't have any data cables at school :/
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which phone do u have? which carrier ?
You guys need to all calm down ! Unless you can post (from a certified Microsoft site) that they have said the update is on so and so date ,then just chill, this reminds me of the oil situation in the US with speculators , the more intense the debate the higher the prices get and of course none of them have a clue whats really going on !
The update will come , does it not perform well without it , copy/paste is that the biggest complaint ? have it on my iphone and have never used it , custom ringtones, if your on this forum , obviously you know (or should know) how to create custom ringtones by now!
This forum gives you all the information needed for any number of phones and disciplines , read /learn and move on!
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The rumors have all been for today, with the exception of one that said yesterday was the day. The only official word from MS has been "first two weeks of March," which means we still have 6 more days to wait until they end up being made into liars.
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hahaha LMAO
I want the update for bug fixes and application loading speed improvements..
Honestly don't care about copy/paste..
Hopefully it comes soon.
it would suck for the HTC 7 Pro on sprint to be released on March 20th and leave the rest of us stuck without the update.
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hahaha LMAO
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LMAO what?
Vintage144 said:
You guys need to all calm down ! Unless you can post (from a certified Microsoft site) that they have said the update is on so and so date ,then just chill, this reminds me of the oil situation in the US with speculators , the more intense the debate the higher the prices get and of course none of them have a clue whats really going on !
The update will come , does it not perform well without it , copy/paste is that the biggest complaint ? have it on my iphone and have never used it , custom ringtones, if your on this forum , obviously you know (or should know) how to create custom ringtones by now!
This forum gives you all the information needed for any number of phones and disciplines , read /learn and move on!
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LMAO X2
Finally told us someone what we need :-D
And if we do not feel that we have this "need" than what?
You will come over and bomb aour country?
Still nothing here with Focus on At&t as of 10:17am EST
Using the HTC Euro update in the dev forum, gold card installed to O2 HD7 in UK, and first impressions are there are slight improvements overall, few extra animations and email flagging (unless i messed that before), copy & paste works well, haven't noticed that apps load any quicker.
More an overall polish than anything revolutionary - that'll come october!
Microsoft, if they're smart, should be aware of the March 8 rumour, and should publicly address it. "not true", "sort of true", "we're not sure". Even a "we're not sure when" would satisfy people, like myself. It at least would show they've got their finger on the pulse and have half a clue of what's going on.
And just like above, I want it for performance upgrades, I couldn't care less about copy/paste.
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LMAO what?
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LMAO about your statement about them lieing
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the red prt in the quote
Okay now tell me if this is a lie:
"I will be home by 5." You leave work at the same time you normally do but there is an accident on your regular route. You get home at 5:27. Do you consider yourself a liar? Probably not.
Let us not get on Holy. A big problem I have with humanity on the net is we are all overly critical towards others because we are just a screen name.
Apple claimed there was no Death Grip and in order to throw smoke and mirrors at the loyal customers they announced at the beginning of July 2010 that they would be shipping white iPhone 4s at the end of July. Now that is a bold-faced lie. And even bolder since it happened during a damage-control P.R. spectacle.
So they said they would have an update in February and it is March. Your phone is not unuseable no matter what picture you try to paint. We sometimes get places late. We sometimes finish our work late.
STS (stop the stupidity)
nicksti said:
Okay now tell me if this is a lie:
"I will be home by 5." You leave work at the same time you normally do but there is an accident on your regular route. You get home at 5:27. Do you consider yourself a liar? Probably not.
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Oh gosh...did MS have a road accident?
I just had a live chat with their "customer service". This is the familiar realization that there will not be updates released for Bell customers. Read below...
A chat representative will be with you in about 0 minute(s). Thank you for waiting.
Chat representative Claire has joined the session and is ready to help. To start, please provide your name and home phone number.
You: Hi Claire
Claire: Hello, thanks for visiting bell.ca. How can I help you today?
You: I was wondering if you knew when the NoDo update for windows phone 7 is being released from Bell?
You: Just cause Microsoft released it weeks ago
Claire: Sure, I will help you with that.
Claire: Are you an existing Bell Mobility customer?
You: Yes, I have an LG Quantum, my wife has an iPhone, we have Bell TV, home phone, and two other cell lines
Claire: Thank you for being a loyal customer to Bell. Kindly stay online while I transfer this chat to our support queue, would request your patience if the chat remains in the queue for a few minutes in case the support reps are busy helping other customers. We thank you for your patience.
You: No problem!
Please wait. We are transferring you to the specialist best suited to help you.
Welcome to bell.ca! You are chatting with Marlena. To assist you, may I please have your name and mobile phone number with area code?
Marlena: Hello and welcome to Bell Mobility's chat service. How can I help you today?
you: Hi there, I was wondering if you knew when the NoDo update was being released for Windows Phone 7?
Marlena: For more information concerning software updates for your device, please visit this link: Software updates for your handset.
Marlena: Is there anything else I can help you with today?
you: My phone (LG Quantum) isn't listed in the link you gave me
you: LG C900 to be exact I think
Marlena: Did you check your phone under tools to see if there is an update available?
you: And it's not an over-the-air update, windows phone 7 updates through Zune desktop PC software
you: Yes I checked that. I know Microsoft released the NoDo update to the carriers, and that now the carriers are holding up the release of it
Marlena: Well if the phone shows there is no updates that means there is none available at this time.
you: ...ok yes I am aware of that. I'm wondering if you know -when- it will be available
Marlena: No I'm sorry we don't have that info.
you: hang on a second please...
you: Please navigate to this link: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-us/features/update-schedule-world.aspx
you: Under "Bell" is says "delivering update"
you: Someone must know, a manager or engineer?
Marlena: Please check your phone for any updates that may come in the future, this info is not provided to us or managers any sooner than it is to you.
Marlena: Is there anything else I can help you with today?
you: I don't understand, how can Bell not know what is going on with its own company?
Marlena: I'm afraid I have nothing new to add to what was already said, the info that you are looking for is not available at this time.
you: Ok who in your company would be aware of the updates?
you: SOMEONE has to know
you: Corporate office?
Marlena: As previously mentioned this info is not provided to us or managers any sooner than it is to you.
you: Thank you, but I asked that SOMEONE at Bell must know. There has to be some person who is aware of windows phone 7 updates
you: Another amazing experience with Bell. Thanks
(long pause)
Marlena: Thank you for chatting with me. Please click the "Close" button on the top right of the chat window to tell me how I did today. Enjoy your day!
Marlena: Bye.
Your chat representative has ended the chat session. We thank you for using this service and we hope to have answered all your questions.
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If I was the CEO of this company and saw this I would be appalled. My goodness they're so helpful and so nice.
So if anyone is familiar with Bell and how they handle things, you can see the writing on the wall. Not gonna happen. And don't expect Mango either.
If it says "Delivering Update" then its in Microsoft's hands, not Bell.
Just click on the update option in phone settings in Zune and then turn off Wifi. You'll get the update.
They are contractually obligated to allow the update since they skipped Pre-Nodo, FYI. The timeframe is up to Microsoft at this point.
Umm... I think the original post is an over-reaction, and the subject line is misleading.
Here are a couple of posts from Mobile Syrup, showing that Bell is delivering the update to the LG Quantum and HD7:
http://mobilesyrup.com/2011/03/29/wp7-nodo-upgrade-now-available-on-the-bell-lg-optimus-quantum/
http://mobilesyrup.com/2011/04/01/bell-htc-hd7-receives-windows-phone-7-nodo-update/
If you followed the whole initial delivery system fiasco, the MS delivery schedule update, and looked at the document provided by MS, you would know that:
The updates for a given provider are pushed out over several weeks. Your device may not be on the list to be notified yet.
MS controls the device-specific delivery schedule and updates are pushed from MS servers. Bell isn't going to be able to tell you when your particular update will arrive (though she could have provided the range of dates).
All devices will eventually get the update.
There is no call to claim that users should not expect the Nodo update if they are on Bell (or any other provider showing "Delivering update" as the status on the MS page). The tech support person told you "Please check your phone for any updates that may come in the future, this info is not provided to us or managers any sooner than it is to you." That is because the update is pushed directly from MS servers once Bell signs off on it. MS knows when your device will get the update in the next few weeks... Bell does not.
If you don't want to wait, use one of the Zune disconnect NIC tricks to get your update now (there are quite a few sets of instructions floating around here, and you don't even have to modify anything on your device other than whether wifi is on).
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Just click on the update option in phone settings in Zune and then turn off Wifi. You'll get the update.
They are contractually obligated to allow the update since they skipped Pre-Nodo, FYI. The timeframe is up to Microsoft at this point.
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I actually got the pre-NoDo. But my phone didn't notify me, Zune did when I connected.
And I know about the wifi trick, but I'm hesitant to do that in case I miss some handset-specific updates or what have you. You just never know.
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Umm... I think the original post is an over-reaction, and the subject line is misleading.
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I disagree. In the links you posted I'm not sure where they got those images from, but Bell has definitely not released NoDo.
I've dealt with this company for years, I know them like John McClane knows the Grubers. Bell will not be releasing any updates. While I sure hope I'm wrong, but I'd put money on it and write it on a stone tablet. Ain't no one getting updates the official way.
If you have dealt with Bell for as long as you have, and with their ExpressVu portion as well, then you should have also learnt a very long time ago that these reps, and nearly anyone you speak to in any of their stores or kiosks, are clueless on anything other than what current promotion they are pushing, as they read that from a cue card.
For example, I went into the Bell store here on launch day for WP7.... they had no effing clue what I was talking about. Hadn't even HEARD of Windows Phone 7. So should I assume that Bell won't be selling any Windows Phones? Or should I realize that these people (as in store salesmen and generic help-line staff) are at the bottom of the totem pole, and don't really know much beyond the bare minimum?
I recieved my pre-NoDo notification for my Optimus Quantum on my phone, fyi. I think you are jumping the gun; I bet you could call that same person the day after Bell releases the NoDo update, and you would get the EXACT same response.
She said that she gets this information at the same time as you do. Why keep harrassing the person?
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If you have dealt with Bell for as long as you have, and with their ExpressVu portion as well, then you should have also learnt a very long time ago that these reps, and nearly anyone you speak to in any of their stores or kiosks, are clueless on anything other than what current promotion they are pushing, as they read that from a cue card.
For example, I went into the Bell store here on launch day for WP7.... they had no effing clue what I was talking about. Hadn't even HEARD of Windows Phone 7. So should I assume that Bell won't be selling any Windows Phones? Or should I realize that these people (as in store salesmen and generic help-line staff) are at the bottom of the totem pole, and don't really know much beyond the bare minimum?
I recieved my pre-NoDo notification for my Optimus Quantum on my phone, fyi. I think you are jumping the gun; I bet you could call that same person the day after Bell releases the NoDo update, and you would get the EXACT same response.
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Good points.
I still believe 100% that Bell will not be releasing any updates, but you do make good points here.
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I disagree. In the links you posted I'm not sure where they got those images from, but Bell has definitely not released NoDo.
I've dealt with this company for years, I know them like John McClane knows the Grubers. Bell will not be releasing any updates. While I sure hope I'm wrong, but I'd put money on it and write it on a stone tablet. Ain't no one getting updates the official way.
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I don't understand. You just claimed in the previous post you got pre-nodo. Am I correct in assuming you are just hung up on the fact that your phone isn't notifying you about an update, instead of you having to do it yourself by running zune?
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I disagree. In the links you posted I'm not sure where they got those images from, but Bell has definitely not released NoDo.
I've dealt with this company for years, I know them like John McClane knows the Grubers. Bell will not be releasing any updates. While I sure hope I'm wrong, but I'd put money on it and write it on a stone tablet. Ain't no one getting updates the official way.
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MS Worldwide update schedule:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-us/features/update-schedule-world.aspx
From the commenter that provided the pictures in this link:
http://mobilesyrup.com/2011/03/29/wp7-nodo-upgrade-now-available-on-the-bell-lg-optimus-quantum/
"When I got the notification for an update yesterday morning I did not have to do anything special. Just came up on my phone while connected to Zune.
Both checkboxes in Settings/PhoneUpdate have been checked and, as it happens, my WIFI was off. Message just popped up on the phone.
First install froze on step 6. It asked for a phone to be connected to the PC. It already was. After a 10 min wait I just unplugged the phone restarted Zune and everything went smooth.
Works well, Copy and Paste are simple and intuitive. Market place is definitely more responsive. Other than that the phone OS seams very similar in speed/performance. Can vouch for any overall OS speed boosts like other have noticed. My biggest complaint is that camera settings are not saved and this is still true with NoDo. But this is primarily a phone after all"
--Posted by Sasha | March 30, 2011, 11:16 am
That sounds to me like Bell has authorized Nodo device updates as of at least the 30th, and that updates are going out through official channels. It doesn't get delivered through Zune to a carrier device (without hacking or interfering with Zune) unless the carrier has signed off on the update.
When we have personal testimony from Bell customers that they are receiving the Nodo update (with photographic evidence), and that corresponds with the MS statement that they are delivering the update to Bell customers (over 2-3 weeks)... explain to me again why we should believe you?
Your assurance based on random internet authority that Bell is not going to provide the Nodo update is not compelling. All you are doing is spreading FUD unnecessarily.
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MS Worldwide update schedule:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-us/features/update-schedule-world.aspx
From the commenter that provided the pictures in this link:
http://mobilesyrup.com/2011/03/29/wp7-nodo-upgrade-now-available-on-the-bell-lg-optimus-quantum/
"When I got the notification for an update yesterday morning I did not have to do anything special. Just came up on my phone while connected to Zune.
Both checkboxes in Settings/PhoneUpdate have been checked and, as it happens, my WIFI was off. Message just popped up on the phone.
First install froze on step 6. It asked for a phone to be connected to the PC. It already was. After a 10 min wait I just unplugged the phone restarted Zune and everything went smooth.
Works well, Copy and Paste are simple and intuitive. Market place is definitely more responsive. Other than that the phone OS seams very similar in speed/performance. Can vouch for any overall OS speed boosts like other have noticed. My biggest complaint is that camera settings are not saved and this is still true with NoDo. But this is primarily a phone after all"
--Posted by Sasha | March 30, 2011, 11:16 am
That sounds to me like Bell has authorized Nodo device updates as of at least the 30th, and that updates are going out through official channels. It doesn't get delivered through Zune to a carrier device (without hacking or interfering with Zune) unless the carrier has signed off on the update.
When we have personal testimony from Bell customers that they are receiving the Nodo update (with photographic evidence), and that corresponds with the MS statement that they are delivering the update to Bell customers (over 2-3 weeks)... explain to me again why we should believe you?
Your assurance based on random internet authority that Bell is not going to provide the Nodo update is not compelling. All you are doing is spreading FUD unnecessarily.
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That lovely mobile syrup link contains two random pictures, and then you repost something from the comments section to counter my position? I don't know that person, neither do you, and it's in no way an official response from Bell.
You know, I'm sorry, I wasn't aware you had a single piece of anecdotal evidence. You're right, I must already have the update.
I never said I had the authority, I just said don't expect it. I'm not.
I like Android more than iphone but at least with iPhone you usually know some of the fixes that are in the works.
I don't know if a radio fix is coming with the next OTA update
I don't knonw when (if) I'll see an update for the Verizon Galaxy Nexus - I'm pretty sure I will but who is to say 100% other than Verizon or Android - tons of rumors like the 4.04 update and the 4.05 update etc but nothing concrete.
I suppose I'm kind of *****in but I'm also pretty sure they could make ALL of their clients happier if they released SOME info. E.g. a radio fix is in the works... or we'll have 4.04 for Verizon customers within 2 months - anything is better than nothing even if they don't' go into tremendous specfics.
Just my opinion of course.
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I like Android more than iphone but at least with iPhone you usually know some of the fixes that are in the works.
I don't know if a radio fix is coming with the next OTA update
I don't knonw when (if) I'll see an update for the Verizon Galaxy Nexus - I'm pretty sure I will but who is to say 100% other than Verizon or Android - tons of rumors like the 4.04 update and the 4.05 update etc but nothing concrete.
I suppose I'm kind of *****in but I'm also pretty sure they could make ALL of their clients happier if they released SOME info. E.g. a radio fix is in the works... or we'll have 4.04 for Verizon customers within 2 months - anything is better than nothing even if they don't' go into tremendous specfics.
Just my opinion of course.
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We can always wish, but it has never been that way for any other device, so why would it change now?
Ive often wondered why they cant give us generic montly statements or something. Put an intern on it or something. 5 min of time once a month from an intern would be so easy.
boe said:
I like Android more than iphone but at least with iPhone you usually know some of the fixes that are in the works.
I don't know if a radio fix is coming with the next OTA update
I don't knonw when (if) I'll see an update for the Verizon Galaxy Nexus - I'm pretty sure I will but who is to say 100% other than Verizon or Android - tons of rumors like the 4.04 update and the 4.05 update etc but nothing concrete.
I suppose I'm kind of *****in but I'm also pretty sure they could make ALL of their clients happier if they released SOME info. E.g. a radio fix is in the works... or we'll have 4.04 for Verizon customers within 2 months - anything is better than nothing even if they don't' go into tremendous specfics.
Just my opinion of course.
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I feel the same way.
RogerPodacter said:
Ive often wondered why they cant give us generic montly statements or something. Put an intern on it or something. 5 min of time once a month from an intern would be so easy.
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That would be fantastic. Even if it said this month - update coming in June - that would be better than me hoping I might find a rumor that might seem credible. Then I'd know where to get genuine news relating to my device on MY carrier.
I am a looong time nexus user and I dont wish this anymore because I know it wont happend. Google works this way.
The only more or less "sure" thing is that when they say that it will be released in a couple of week is because it is already deployed in most employees devices for a long test and it will in fact be released in 2-3 weeks.
Google works this way because they don't have a ETA for when things are complete.
That's like saying telling CyanogenMod that you want more communication between them and the users so that they can post a timeline on when RC1/RC2 will be complete etc.
Things are just done when they're done.
RogerPodacter said:
Ive often wondered why they cant give us generic montly statements or something. Put an intern on it or something. 5 min of time once a month from an intern would be so easy.
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Because...when something goes wrong, and they do not make their timeline, people would throw a fit, even more than they do now.
As others have mentioned, expecting any sort of ETA is completely unreasonable.
But honestly, this whole upgrade experience has been pretty underwhelming for two reasons: lack of communication and very slow speed. The volume bug -- a completely show-stopping bug -- took two weeks for a fix. I highly doubt it would take Apple that long to issue a software fix for such a serious bug. Sorry to bring Apple into the discussion, but it's true.
Not to mention that it's taken Google FIVE months to get NFC to be fully functional...
At the end of the day, having relatively quick updates of stock Android will probably keep me with Nexus devices, but an advertised and guaranteed monthly status update? That would be a killer USP. The silence between 4.0.2 and 4.0.4 was absolutely terrible.
boe said:
I like Android more than iphone but at least with iPhone you usually know some of the fixes that are in the works.
I don't know if a radio fix is coming with the next OTA update
I don't knonw when (if) I'll see an update for the Verizon Galaxy Nexus - I'm pretty sure I will but who is to say 100% other than Verizon or Android - tons of rumors like the 4.04 update and the 4.05 update etc but nothing concrete.
I suppose I'm kind of *****in but I'm also pretty sure they could make ALL of their clients happier if they released SOME info. E.g. a radio fix is in the works... or we'll have 4.04 for Verizon customers within 2 months - anything is better than nothing even if they don't' go into tremendous specfics.
Just my opinion of course.
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Yes it sounds great, but it would just make things worse.
People would be exponentially more angry if they gave progress reports and they didn't go where people wanted. They'd complain even more because they'd know it wasn't fixing the way they wanted it to be fixed. And as soon as they promise a timetable and are unable to deliver, all hell would break loose. Either that, or they give a timetable too far in the future to keep from hurting themselves, and people complain the timetable is too far out.
Google and Verizon aren't just sitting on their asses doing nothing. They're working. Its downright insulting saying that Google isn't working hard on these updates. Just be patient ffs.
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Yes it sounds great, but it would just make things worse.
People would be exponentially more angry if they gave progress reports and they didn't go where people wanted. They'd complain even more because they'd know it wasn't fixing the way they wanted it to be fixed. And as soon as they promise a timetable and are unable to deliver, all hell would break loose. Either that, or they give a timetable too far in the future to keep from hurting themselves, and people complain the timetable is too far out.
Google and Verizon aren't just sitting on their asses doing nothing. They're working. Its downright insulting saying that Google isn't working hard on these updates. Just be patient ffs.
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Agreed. Also with Google (or the manufacturer doing updates) it has to be approved by the carrier UNLESS you're using the GSM model of Galaxy Nexus which is independent of any carrier.
This is from a news article I read yesterday,
“HTC has delivered a ROM to us however it is still having issues the reason that other sensation types have the update without issue and ours did not come out that way is because every ROM must be adapted to the hardware of the device because we use a different radio than other providers and also have applications such as wifi calling it also has to be compatible with those. What the HTC rep told you is most likely correct because once a ROM is delivered we have 2 weeks to test it and then approve it or send it back they then have 4 weeks to fix the bugs and return it back to us, where we are exactly in that process I do not know but that is how a ROM is delivered to the customer.
The original ROM was not delivered to us in November, we started testing it just recently but I think it has been longer than 2 weeks so at this point HTC most likely has the ball.
You bought a phone and it has been announced that you are getting ICS you have every right to know what’s going on with it and when you can see these awesome features. I did go into a lot of detail about how a ROM gets to the end user (you guys) but that wasn’t to point fingers only so you would have a better understanding of why you don’t have it yet, the bottom line is the Sensation has T-Mobile’s and HTC’s name all over it and both companies want to make you proud to be a Sensation owner so we are working as fast as we can to deliver it but also want to make sure that it stands up to your expectations.”
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tl;dr it says that, the ROM that HTC made didn't meet T-Mobile's expectations and has to be fixed by HTC... then sent to T-Mobile to test the ROM equalizing MORE delay
I know OP has Verizon, but that's kind of your fault for using Verizon. We all know how it is when it comes to Verizon and keeping a tight control over their phones. I personally don't consider Galaxy Nexus (LTE) to be a "Nexus" device. It comes bloated with VZW apps, Verizon has to approve the update by Google, Factory images are no longer uploaded, etc.
Kind of off-topic but I'd love to see the idea of Google buying T-Mobile USA from Deutsche Telekom (owners of T-Mobile USA) then we would never have to worry about carriers trying to keep a tight grip on their phones. Not to mention then tight integration between Google services such as Google Voice would be tightly integrated between the carrier and Google services. Just a dream of mines.
Oh lord. Not another 'The Verizon Nexus is not a Nexus device' comment.
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adrynalyne said:
Because...when something goes wrong, and they do not make their timeline, people would throw a fit, even more than they do now.
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But I'm not asking for an eta or timeline. Just something like "here's what we're doing this month, or even this quarter."
adrynalyne said:
Oh lord. Not another 'The Verizon Nexus is not a Nexus device' comment.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using XDA
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Yea, everyone knows true Nexus devices only come with half the storage space and only on less desirable carriers.
TiltedAz said:
Yea, everyone knows true Nexus devices only come with half the storage space and only on less desirable carriers.
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Ah, my bad
I'm gonna guess the OTA will come with the white 16 gig version on April 5th, and that the white Gnexs will come with 4.0.5 loaded. Just a hunch. The rumors have been early April, so on Thursday or that weekend is my guess.
Well, I don't know about everyone else, but my "fake" Nexus has had 4.0.4 for a long time now. I've seen 2 updates since I bought my Nexus (fairly early after release). Not EVERY update comes via OTA. The Nexus line has ALWAYS been like this. At any rate, my 3 month old "fake and unsupported" Nexus has already seen more updates than my Vibrant ever did.
As far as GSM users complaining over updates, shut up. Your phones didn't need the updates that Google implemented for the CDMA version. I don't want fixes for a phone that isn't mine. I don't want Google releasing something that isn't ready. Radio issues are up to Samsung and the carrier, not Google. Stop whining about Google. Stop thinking Google is the hold up. Google isn't the hold up. Samsung is the hold up. If you have a CDMA version, blame Samsung and Verizon. If you're GSM, place the blame where it largely belongs, on Samsung.
For some reason 80% of people on this forum seem to think that Nexus means that you get an update every month or something like that. Like we should be on 4.1.7 by now or something like that. It's the most insanely retarded community I think I've ever seen in my life.
As a member of the choir and a Verizon customer for12 years
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Keep preaching.
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Yea, everyone knows true Nexus devices only come with half the storage space and only on less desirable carriers.
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Verizon is a less-desirable carrier for me. Just sayin'.
boe said:
I like Android more than iphone but at least with iPhone you usually know some of the fixes that are in the works.
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and since when do you know about iphone updates before release? Apple is the most secretive tech company ever. They only comment on issues when they get really out of hand and media goes all over it (like the recent address book privacy issues or the better known antennagate).
iOS does have private betas though, which is kinda the equivalent of aosp for android in terms of release schedules. aosp 4.0.4 >>> 8 months >>> oem 4.0.4 updates
Time to update your phones to get all of the cumulative updates.
lonetormenter said:
Time to update your phones to get all of the cumulative updates.
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Yep I'm currently doing that right now, glad the update has all the updates combined into one!
Yeah it was there when I got out the shower this morning as I hadn't even done my morning manual scan for updates yet.
Glad Three finally delivered for you all and in full which is a shock! Thought it would always be behind.
Not bad. 1 week after the non-carrier version. Three must have rejected the mr2 update since it had so many bugs.
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Not bad. 1 week after thennon carrier version. Three must have rejected the mr2 update since it had so many bugs.
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I think you are right
I and a few years others were across on the official Razer forum causing some friction..... The general idea was to create more negative hype quicker than what they could create positive... I think they and three got the point.
Let's hope they keep up now, with the kitguru article they will have some work!
Yeah I saw that KitGuru article come up but seems it got published after the update went live so just bad timing on that.
I didn't want to give razer negatively my point to them was you have a lot of loyal fans of the brand and to communicate what's going on with public updates rather than keep us in the dark. Sometimes they need listen to their customers and respond rather than looking to point the blame.
Got to hear the updates are finally coming through...
Really glad to hear that you 3 UK users are finally getting your updates, as I think it was terrible that you have such a fantastic phone and for no updates to be pushed to the phone (and razer have pushed out about 2-3 updates on my unlocked variant). The update should also contain the latest security patch (I think it's January)...
Hopefully they can (as they have suggested) sync the unlocked and 3 UK variants future updates, simultaneously
I left 3 a few years ago since the price hikes, Are they still bundling bloatware with the OS? Very interested in this if this years devices don't appeal