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[REQUEST] Idiot's Guide

In the N1 General forum there was a great post done - 100% Fool Proof Guide to rooting & ROMs, and I was hoping that we could start a similar thread here.
Please feel free to comment on this post - it is my hope that we can put together a great document for newbs like me in the future. THIS thread is for suggestions on what should be in the guide, not the guide itself. I will reserve the second post for compiling suggestions over the next couple of days.
I just ordered my Desire, and it should be with me in a week or two. I am disturbed by the USB/A2SD issues being encountered by some, and so when I root I want to get it right
imHo, the guide should include:
1) Definitions of Rooting, unlocking, goldcards, generic, kernel, radio and how these relate to future OTA updates. These are concepts which I am familiar with, but feel I know just enough to be dangerous to myself/my device
2) A ballpark comparison of the unique characteristics of ROMs available today (stock-like, minimalist, sense-free, tethering, etc)
3) A step-by-step guide to the most recommended flashing updates people are using today
4) Things to bear in mind if you are a win-x64 user (I understand this is a tripping point for some)

[Reserved for collating ideas]
1) Terminology:
Rooting
Unlocking
Goldcards
Generic
Kernel
Radio
OTA updates, and how they may be affected by flashing your Desire
2) Current ROMs available and their unique characteristics
3) Guide to flashing your desire
4) Win64 users - what to bear in mind

And a big warning that this rooting process can cause unexpected pain on your bank balance if you are unlucky at the minute

I'd say to use the TinyCore method as I had nothing but issues doing it using W7 x64 - there's a guide on MoDaCo that's simple as anything - only a fool would get it wrong!!!
Find it here:
http://android.modaco.com/content/h...inux-download-and-guide-easiest-and-best-way/
And my USB still works fine, not had any issues since rooting and am now happily using an MCRr2 ROM cooked to my liking

I'd have to agree. Tiny Core Linux was so simple to use. I'd never used Linux before and even I could do it!
I did see paul's tweet saying a new safer more reliable method was coming this week hopefully. If that's the case I'll be rooting like mad again!
New, safer, more reliable root method for Legend and Desire coming up next week (all being well). #mcr 7:28 PM May 14th via Tweetie http://twitter.com/PaulOBrien

Only issues I've had was flashing the radio as part of a ROM - wouldn't have it so gonna try it on its own later this evening. Would be nice to get it all in one ROM but meh

EddyOS said:
I'd say to use the TinyCore method as I had nothing but issues doing it using W7 x64 - there's a guide on MoDaCo that's simple as anything - only a fool would get it wrong!!!
Find it here:
http://android.modaco.com/content/h...inux-download-and-guide-easiest-and-best-way/
And my USB still works fine, not had any issues since rooting and am now happily using an MCRr2 ROM cooked to my liking
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u guys are getting it wrong!!!!!!
me too i was saying the same thing last week when i was reading about the bricks and stuff. i didnt have any problems till 2 days ago. well let me tell you that the unrooting process went out wonderful... nothing wrong. i even flashed all the roms possible and even started cooking and porting some roms for my own use too.
the problem is not whether the method is complex or not. the ''brick'' does not happen while you are rooting the phone. nobody actually knows what triggers the damage. some get it on 1st attempt, some after 5-6 flashes, and some like me after numerous ones.
so in my opinion, i dont think you can say this is a safe method bla bla bla and i try to discourage ppl wanting to root ''for the moment''.

deeren said:
u guys are getting it wrong!!!!!!
me too i was saying the same thing last week when i was reading about the bricks and stuff. i didnt have any problems till 2 days ago. well let me tell you that the unrooting process went out wonderful... nothing wrong. i even flashed all the roms possible and even started cooking and porting some roms for my own use too.
the problem is not whether the method is complex or not. the ''brick'' does not happen while you are rooting the phone. nobody actually knows what triggers the damage. some get it on 1st attempt, some after 5-6 flashes, and some like me after numerous ones.
so in my opinion, i dont think you can say this is a safe method bla bla bla and i try to discourage ppl wanting to root ''for the moment''.
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I totally agree, I try to at least warn people that there is a fair chance they will brick their device but this thread is about the best and easiest way to root.
At the end of the day if people know the risks and still want to go for it, then they may as well come here for the easiest method

just a quick question guys as im a total noob in android and rooting, does this method also works with the desire and does not require a goldcard?

cez10 said:
just a quick question guys as im a total noob in android and rooting, does this method also works with the desire and does not require a goldcard?
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This method is for the desire!
If you choose to root, then you will only need a goldcard if your handset was network supplied and branded. If for example you bought it and it came in a plain box, and had no network branding on the software then you can do it without the gold card. I got mine from the Carphone Warehouse so it was unlocked and unbranded. I just rooted with the standard SD card.
The software number on my unbranded device is 1.15.405.4. Hope this helps.

Refer to this

1) Nothing is foolproof. If you're a fool, don't root.
2) Foolproof implies pragmatic. The N1 is designed (basically) to be rooted so there's a universal method for all. The Desire wasn't, so things liks different bootloaders, branded phones and goldcards makes everyone just that little bit different. I mean, the HTC memory protection mean things like Adfree don't work out of the box (causes phone to reboot) - if you create a foolproof method we're just going to get threads about "zomg why wont dis app wrk on my fone" because they expect to be spoonfed everything.

Dramas unlocking HTC Desire

Hi all,
I am giving this a deadline of one week, if I don't have it unlocked in one week I will be putting a video on youtube of the phone being destroyed at my discretion
Hold me to it if you like, its useless to me as is anyway plus it was free so I don't care
I have tried to follow every guide I could find, I have what seems to be a really painful phone.
I cannot get the GOLDCARD done, no such luck, it seems to not see the SD cid at all!
If someone could please give me a link to the most basic guide ( I mean the DUMB guide where if you scratch your nose its in the guide) because I am either missing a step or something is wrong.
Then on top of that my phone is locked to Telstra (an Australia company) and the HBOOT is 0.93.xxxx so I have also tried to downgrade with NO LUCK, again a dumb-dumb guide please because I am over trying to work out whats wrong with this phone.
I have used the Downgrade2.3 and the unrevoked3 plus a few others with no luck.
HELP PLEASE!! i'm losing my mind here
The phone is a month old but I am at the end with it already.

Search for gold card helper on android market, its by far the easiest way
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

There is a sim unlock utility. You do realise that there is a search feature for the forum right?

I do realise there is a search feature on this forum, and after a solid day of searching I have given up looking and posted, I am at the point of make it or break it, either way I will enjoy the outcome

Solution
Try this solution: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=943726
No rooting, goldcard or anything else. It took several attempts but I managed to unlock my phone.

[Q] Help Root 2.37.861.8

Hi , i'm just bought a new HTC Desire HD to exchange for my old Iphone.
At first the performance and speed was good. but after I downloaded and used ADW instead of the stock theme,i also put for the Apps drawer at 4D so it look really good. Unfortunately, when i went through all my apps, it's really slow and lag (u can imaging as when u play an online game with slow INTERNET).
So I wanted to root it however i was going through all the threads in the HtC Desire hd forum and couldn't find any guide about rooting the 2.37.861.8.
Please let's me know if it can be rooted or not? and if it possible can u give me the link with detail how to root it and install Rom.
I'm a newbie so i'm sorry if my question annoy anyone.i'm learning right now
This is my phone information :
My Phone is branded by 3 in Australia
Android version
2.3.3
Htc Sense version
2.1
Baseband
12.54.60.25U_26.09.04.11_ M 2
Kernel version
2.6.35.10
htc-kernel and18-2 #1
Build number
2.37.861.8
Software number
2.37.861.8
Browser version
Webkit /533.1
Thanks guys

If you would have bothered to use the search funtion you would have found several threads, including this one.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1152233&page=7

Lucky guy
Bought brand new with 2.37, instead of higher.
Enjoy your new dhd

I did use the search function and also came across this thread but the Poster Said that : Please note that this method works for devices up to 2.37.762.2 ONLY!
And my software is 2.37.861.8
And as i mentioned i'm new so i dont know does this method also applicable on my phone.

JSLEnterprises said:
If you would have bothered to use the search funtion you would have found several threads, including this one.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1152233&page=7
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they tell you to put Q's in the Q&A forum.. then you do it, and you get **** for it. this isnt simple for everyone and there are different intricacies to all the firmware. if you dont want to answer a legit question, dont. but its amazing how smug this place is sometimes. give the guy a break, he just got the phone.

Try
Dont worry. Just try out the guides
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=905003
or
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1152233
it might work for you. If you really wanna root just go for it and post your results for other users benefit. If you can wait then wait till your version comes under the umbrella.
Cheers
Enjoy your new DHD

thanks for all the reply guys, really helpfull
i think i better wait until it come under umbrella since i'm not understand this Root things clearly.

SQ3.0dotJP said:
they tell you to put Q's in the Q&A forum.. then you do it, and you get **** for it. this isnt simple for everyone and there are different intricacies to all the firmware. if you dont want to answer a legit question, dont. but its amazing how smug this place is sometimes. give the guy a break, he just got the phone.
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I wasn’t giving ****. I was simply stating that proper use of the search function (with multiple stickies in each sub forum, and agreements when you sign up stating to use it prior to posting) should be followed.
When I was green and first got my android device, I searched and searched and read anything and everything relevant before making any post. Too many people on these and other forums are lazy and don’t put in the time to really learn about their devices before beginning to mess with them. At least half of the people in here shouldn’t even be rooting their phones as they're technically inept from being able to recover from a blunder.
I've read so many posts which shouldn’t even exist if diligent information gathering and processing was actually executed, polluting the forums so much that finding a piece of useful information by simply browsing through all the bullarky, is next to impossible. I personally instead now strictly use the search function when looking for information that I may require.
Also, on page 3 or 4 of that thread, even though the op says "to 2.37.762.2 ONLY" there's been reports confirming it works with his version as well.
I've been experimenting on finding a way to downgrade 2.43.
Once receiving my phone back from repair after a true Brick (where only viable recovery is through jtaging) I found my device was updated to 2.43.661.1 which is part of the unrootable category at this time. So even after not being able to work on my rom for 3 weeks, due to the device being in repair, I still can’t work on my rom because I can’t push apk's and files into system area's to which root access is necessary.

abhisahara said:
Dont worry. Just try out the guides
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=905003
or
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1152233
it might work for you. If you really wanna root just go for it and post your results for other users benefit. If you can wait then wait till your version comes under the umbrella.
Cheers
Enjoy your new DHD
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First url points to a method that does NOT work.
psneuter does not work, therefore the goldcard downgrade will not work.
Second url is what I posted as the first response.

@ Babycover
Before attempting to root, take the next few days to learn about things like the goldcard, RUU's, the Android SDK's, and basic linux commands (since android is simply a version of linux). Look at various tutorials on how to do things (but dont actually do them, just take note on similarities, and reocurring commands so if you were to do them you'd be comfortable executing them). Familiarize yourself with everything before experimenting.... makes recovering from a problem a lot easier than reading replies of people who think they know what they're talking about.
Things to note: Any RUU can be used once your device has radio S-off and use them rather than a PD98IMG.zip from your sd card. Your spash screen can only be changed if your device has ENG[ineering] S-off ('ENG' will take the place of 'SHIP' in the bootloader). Do not partition your sd card using CWM recovery; even though it supposedly has been fixed, it still may brick your phone (I personally dont believe you should have to partition an SD card ever!).
If the 2.37 method of the rooting doesnt take, you're in my boat with an unrootable device. You might as well see if you can update to the latest 2.5X build if your phone isnt carrier specific (using an ruu, and the device's data that cannot be synced with a google account or sense will be gone, but atleast you'll have the latest build)
If you do manage to Downgrade, dont use the post-downgrade rooting method, rather, follow my steps to root, radio s-off and eng s-off
Its a collection of what works, simplified for use without extras.
http://driphter.com/index.php?topic=3867.0
Enjoy your new phone.

@jsl softbank 237. 2. Has bwwn kicking my ass. And im dont even feel like posting my issues because of responses like yours. I just ask everyone to read their post like a noob. 'Search *****' isnt a very inviting response to what i feel is a pretty good forum. Also, english is a second language for many. What is simple to you isnt so simple for many
Sent from my 001HT using XDA App

getting stuck

hey guys im doing the cyanogenmod htc desire z root. i'm good up till the phone checks the firmware and tells me model id incorrect i have tried both froyo and gingerbread downgrade. i have sdk installed. I tried using a goldcard and that still didnt work. any ideas whats going on.? im runing 2.3.3 and carrier is bell. please help. i have been working and reading for three days. and please no Noobie video. really guys. we have all been in this spot( asking for help that is) . thank you.

Without more details, it's not much specifics I can say.
If I had to make an educated guess I would say that either :
1) Your gfree attempt to change the CID didn't work.
or
2) Your phone is one of the ones that requires the creation of a gold card in order to change the CID version to make the downgrade possible.

I'm a noob at this too, so I don't have much to offer, but I do have the same phone as you (duh) and I'm with Bell too.
I rooted a couple of weeks ago and I also had difficulty getting started - some guides didn't work for me, such as strawmetal's for instance, as well as some others. That's not to say that strawmetal doesn't do awesome work (because he does! - flashaholics) I think it may have had something to with files that he compiled for his guide or maybe even my PC.
In my case this guide worked for downgrading: [thread]http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1178912[/thread] what was different for me there, compared to other guides, was the thoroughness of how to install the sdk and making all the files were in the right place - this was more work than other guides, but obviously worth it in the end.
This was the guide I used for rooting: http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/wiki/HTC_Desire_Z:_Rooting
And of course, this is the guide I used for flashing CyanogenMod: http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/wiki/HTC_Vision:_CyanogenMod
If you're still stuck, you can talk to the guys at #G2Root http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=g2root obviously that's the web version of the chat portal.
Bell also released an OTA update last month, and I don't know if that would interfere with downgrading (again, I'm a noob too). I didn't download the update at the time because I knew I was going to be rooting my phone soon.
Good luck! You'll be super pumped when you see that first CyanogenMod boot animation!

[Q] root and custom rom

Hey, I know this is probably a common question, but I've searched the web for hours and can't find any up to date information, and if it is up to date, it's for an at&t phone. I live in the UK so have an international one x, rendering (i assume from the information I've gathered) each guide useless!?
All I'm looking to do is root the phone and flash arhd to it, but I'm really really struggling. I was following the arhd guide on here originally, but I havnt rooted my phone, so can't get very far, nowhere at all actually!
And aside from that, I'm worried incase I somehow brick it by putting old software on it? I wouldn't say I'm a noobie, but I'm struggling to do this, can anyone please point me in the direction of an up to date guide on how to root, and then flash arhd to it?
Sorry, and thanks!

stevebyl said:
Hey, I know this is probably a common question, but I've searched the web for hours and can't find any up to date information, and if it is up to date, it's for an at&t phone. I live in the UK so have an international one x, rendering (i assume from the information I've gathered) each guide useless!?
All I'm looking to do is root the phone and flash arhd to it, but I'm really really struggling. I was following the arhd guide on here originally, but I havnt rooted my phone, so can't get very far, nowhere at all actually!
And aside from that, I'm worried incase I somehow brick it by putting old software on it? I wouldn't say I'm a noobie, but I'm struggling to do this, can anyone please point me in the direction of an up to date guide on how to root, and then flash arhd to it?
Sorry, and thanks!
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use the search function, this has been asked and answered many times. The third post in the "general" section is "how to, unlock bootloader, root and flash a custom rom. read it thoroughly and follow instructions to the letter. And chill out, it is harder than you think to brick the one x. follow the link>>>>>http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2069904