Guys,
Been testing the various roms available for some time now, XDALive, Black, Schaps etc but just can't find a single Rom that allows the phone to function as its supposed to, i.e. Fast, efficient and usable.
XDA Live and Black appeared to be great at first, until I installed TomTom and a few other minor apps, at which point they just slowed until the phone took 2/3 seconds to come out of standby, and when ringing the phone, it wouldn't even make a sound until the 2nd/3rd ring!?
Yesterday I flashed to Schaps and its even worse, before installing ANYTHING extra! 3/4 seconds from standby although it is a great looking rom.
Just seems a real shame, is the phone's hardware the limitation or is there a Rom out there that really does make a good job of enabling the best functionality from the Hermes??
ashleyhall said:
Guys,
Been testing the various roms available for some time now, XDALive, Black, Schaps etc but just can't find a single Rom that allows the phone to function as its supposed to, i.e. Fast, efficient and usable.
XDA Live and Black appeared to be great at first, until I installed TomTom and a few other minor apps, at which point they just slowed until the phone took 2/3 seconds to come out of standby, and when ringing the phone, it wouldn't even make a sound until the 2nd/3rd ring!?
Yesterday I flashed to Schaps and its even worse, before installing ANYTHING extra! 3/4 seconds from standby although it is a great looking rom.
Just seems a real shame, is the phone's hardware the limitation or is there a Rom out there that really does make a good job of enabling the best functionality from the Hermes??
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Same-same feeling here. Tried all, still can't get the reliability and responsiveness of original WM5 Jasjam ROM. It's not a rant and of course I can always go back, but it makes me wander never the less..
Edit 15:30,
Well after such a statement I guess I owe some specifics:
- Hermes 100 and 200
- SPL-2.10.Olipro
- IPL: 1.04
- Radio: v1.43.00.00
- Tried the various available RTM versions, much too slow responding, haven't resolved the SOD problem for me
- reverted to what I consider to be the most stable and comfortable release - LVSW 19/5 (elf edition), still experience SOD but apprx. once in 24 Hrs. Still makes the WM6 Hermes unreliable as a phone, since for those unfamiliar with SOD, it means that while actually frozen, the phone looks externaly to be OK and working, respective LEDs blinking. Tried all solutions known and yet some.. drafted to this some heavy dev colleagues but still there.
Frustrating isn't it, perhaps the Hermes just isn't ready for WM6, would be logical as they haven't launched the Hermes OEM with WM6 yet have they?
Cheers, Ash
If you have a bit, give my latest ROM a try and tell me what you think.
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If you have a bit, give my latest ROM a try and tell me what you think.
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Can do, how do you believe its better than the rest? Where can I get it from?
Thanks mate!
Click the link on my sig.
My ROM is a graft and is not based on any one m$ hermes build. It has components from a number of different devices.
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If you have a bit, give my latest ROM a try and tell me what you think.
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Sleuth255, you are counted with the serious in my book, so I should definitely do so. At the moment I kind of stabilized my devices (less than a SOD in every 24 Hrs. time frame), and I am pretty dependant on my phone.. but... at same time I've a XDA-dev soul, so I don't count on myself to withstand the temptation to try yours...
However Ash's quest remains. WTF happens with WM6 on the Hermes. No disrespect to those praising it, but if it doesn't work here, it most probably doesn't work elsewhere if you push it to same limits I do.. And where is HTC's RTM. I would expect it's core to be reasonably well, then use it in the kitchen for "our flavours", but apparently RTM is not there yet, or is it RTM ?
Sleuth255 said:
If you have a bit, give my latest ROM a try and tell me what you think.
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Sleuth255, you are counted with the honorable in my address book, so I should definitely try yours, thank you. At the moment I kind of stabilized my devices (less than a SOD in every 24 Hrs. time frame) with LVSW-Elf 2.1, and I am pretty dependant on my phones.. However... at same time I've a XDA-dev soul, so I don't count on myself to withstand the temptation to try yours...
In any case Ash's quest remains. WTF happens with WM6 on the Hermes. No disrespect to those praising it, but if it doesn't work here, it most probably doesn't work elsewhere. At least if you push the envelope to same limits I do.. And where is HTC's RTM. I would expect it's core to first be reasonably solid, then use it in the kitchen for cooking our flavours, but apparently RTM is not there yet, or is it RTM at all, and if it is how come it ain't published on HTC support site yet ?
Questions..questions... but it's fun, isn't it ?
HTC's core CE/XIP for hermes was RTM as of v5.2.1238 and is quite stable IMO. It's the IMGFS that's buggy.
Hermes has always had issues coming out of standby and this delay is what affects the time the call connects to the time you hear the first ring. I noticed this the very first time I tried my TyTN (coming from a Wizard).
I've always wanted to uncover the specific code that handles this because there's also a nagging bit that forces portrait mode as a workaround for the magnets in the case Because of this, I have to disable standby whenever I'm using my stowaway bt keyboard.
edit: SOD could be solved as well by dis-assembling this code...
Sleuth, I agree with you (again). And you are also very right on RTM (I happen to be somehow..remotely... connected to them people in Redmond, but I shouldn't exploit this subject too much here.....
Anyway it's pi__ing me off quite a lot and the "Israeli Team" has given SOD a good chunk of time to no result. What amazes me is that this is one Huge issue that doesn't ring an alarm at HTC's.. BTW assuming that under the hood Hermes 100 and Hermes 200 are one and the same (so says my favorite CTO), I can't understand how would my JasJam (original WM5 ROM) be bullet proof in respect to SOD, while my TyTn showed SOD and call delay on WM5 as well. Maybe all Hermesses weren't born equal (and I refer to the latest crop, post childhood issues).
I happened to work with HTC and I know them to take stuff like this seriously. What happens here ....
So can we conclude that the Hermes wasn't ever *supposed* to run WM6, hence why all the WM6 roms just simply don't really work very well once you install just a couple of apps? Some without even installing supplemental programs?
I can't conclude that. WM6 works wonderfully on my hermes. I can conclude at this point that the device has some powersave related ideosyncracies that may or may not be software related. This is why I'm interested in your XP with my ROM.
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I can't conclude that. WM6 works wonderfully on my hermes. I can conclude at this point that the device has some powersave related ideosyncracies that may or may not be software related. This is why I'm interested in your XP with my ROM.
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I agree with Sleuth, WM6 works so much better on my TyTn than WM5... In every way.
Ok, the (slight) wakeup delay at phonecalls is there but certainly no more than with WM5. And Sleuth's new ROM is very stabile, pretty fast and with very little memory leaks.
At least it is in my case...
Ive been using WM6 releases for hermes since they first surfaced
my favourites are
Schap's WM6 Pro 3.30c
LVSW (latest June release)
Windows Mobile VI Pro - Black 2.5
I don't use Device for gaming at all
I use It strictly for work, this means:
Organizing my day with SBSH PocketBreeze
Chatting with Live messenger
see the weather news with weatherPanel (Schap's ROM replaced my choice of weatherpanel)
I work with/edit simple word documents on the road and e-mail them
Take many photos and record videos
and also watch big videos 22~50megs in both .wmv and .3gp format
Surely some ROM's were a real pain and unstable
with the above mentioned ROM's
My device Is stable and fast
Reading around thoughts and opinions surely will help many new to the PDA scene and surely will reward them with knowledge and make their WM experience more fun and useful rather than adventurous and experimenting
Definetely my TyTN is more useful fast and stable now with WM6
rather than when It was fueled with WM5
Just my 2 cents
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Definetely my TyTN is more useful fast and stable now with WM6
rather than when It was fueled with WM5
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Same here, I'm very pleased with WM6 (currently vp3G). I've installed some apps and its faster and more stable than before. I have no freezes, no sleeps of dead, no lock ups - with none of the Roms.
Programs in use:
Always running:
.) ILauncher
.) PhotoContactsPro
.) BatteryStatus
Installed:
.) Mobipocket Reader
.) SK Tools
.) Vijay's Brighter Screen
.) enAlarm
.) GS Finder
.) Total Commander
.) PocketIrked
My first WM6 ROM was the XDA Live.. then I started playing with the free storage.. created modified XDA Live ROM ( later called "WM6 Brick" because it wouldn't boot for ppl without MFG BL).. anyway.. a week later I bricked my Hermes completely trying to get it working with all BLs.. Then I was out for 2 months.. as my Hermes was being repaired..
When it came back I started flashing it with different WM6 roms.. (I guess I liked it much more when there had been only one wm6 rom available). They've all looked nice.. but none of them have been stable. I don't care so much about the speed.. but I hate when it freezes while I am scrolling the file list in the built-in Explorer.. and this happens with all WM6 roms I've tested.
I guess that at some point it will be stable enough for me to use it.. but as I don't need html-emails.. or sd-card encryption I guess I'll stick to WM5 for a while :/
I've tried:
Custel 2.5
ALL of the Blacks
Elf's 2.1
LVSW
Faria
I am with Custel 2.5 right now and I love it. No sleeps of death here.
I'm running:
SPB Pocket Plus
SPB Weather
SPB Phone Profile
IM+
Today Agenda
MobiReader
Google Maps (Latest Build)
MortgageCALC
After being "awake" for 12 hours, I still have 23.4 MB of memory avail. with normal usage.
I don't do any media on my phone; I don't even have the media net settings loaded to my connections. I use it strictly for business: direct push mail, text message between the contractors, phone calls, scheduling and looking up houses, google search quite a bit and the PIM software.
Perfect ROM for me:
4mb pagepool
HTweak 1.5
Windows Media Player (for ring tones only)
Office 2007
RedEdit
NO Task Manager
Java Manager
Internet Sharing
NO Streaming Media
NO Audio Manager
PocketRAR
The updated file explorer that's floating
NO Live
NO Messenger
Unfortunately I'm not a cook.
Jim
I have tried both the Elf V2.1 and the BlackShadow and both have worked very well for me so far. I have so far only added the following external apps:
1. Ateksoft Webcamera Plus
2. Adobe Flash Lite 2.1
3. Adobe Reader LE 2
I definitely love my phone now even more so than when I first bought it when it came with WM5.
ROM, Radios, Carriers, Phones each has its own benefits, if you put some together they dnt work, you can change one thing it could work.
i can honestly say that i have only had problems with the early blacks, shadow works fine for me, wheras others worship black 2.5.
personally i always use sleuths roms they definately the fastest & most stable (for me anyway!!)
One last tip
Unless you are in the UK dont use radio 1.43 it is designed for the UK and not too good elsewhere
Newb-Tech-Realtor said:
I've tried:
Custel 2.5
ALL of the Blacks
Elf's 2.1
LVSW
Faria
I am with Custel 2.5 right now and I love it. No sleeps of death here.
I'm running:
SPB Pocket Plus
SPB Weather
SPB Phone Profile
IM+
Today Agenda
MobiReader
Google Maps (Latest Build)
MortgageCALC
After being "awake" for 12 hours, I still have 23.4 MB of memory avail. with normal usage.
I don't do any media on my phone; I don't even have the media net settings loaded to my connections. I use it strictly for business: direct push mail, text message between the contractors, phone calls, scheduling and looking up houses, google search quite a bit and the PIM software.
Perfect ROM for me:
4mb pagepool
HTweak 1.5
Windows Media Player (for ring tones only)
Office 2007
RedEdit
NO Task Manager
Java Manager
Internet Sharing
NO Streaming Media
NO Audio Manager
PocketRAR
The updated file explorer that's floating
NO Live
NO Messenger
Unfortunately I'm not a cook.
Jim
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I think my v3.0 *almost* fits your "perfect rom"
Hello
About 6 days ago i found out that there was a WM6 version out for Axim x51v, called Football Edition. I downloaded A03 RTM edition and the upgrade went fine but now i feel that this version is very slow. A big difference is that when i open Contacts i can see how it reads a contact and adds it to the list, it takes about 3 secounds and in WM5 it took 0 secounds!
Now im am confused about this becouse many people says WM6 is faster, i dont expect any super system now but at least it would run as WM5 did. I heard people talking about A17 but whats that?? there is only A03 out from football? Is this version i got the latest and is there any other/better roms out there??
Please help me becouse im a bit sad about this.
A17 is a custom WM5 ROM from Football that includes Microsoft updates that Dell never made available.
M17 is a modified version of A17 and can be found over on aximsite.
It is a little more polished.
A03 RTM from Football is the latest WM6 ROM but it still needs a little tweaking by the end-user.
Mostly regarding WiFi issues.
All details are in the full thread.
As for overall speed issues -- it is possible that different Axim hardware revisions (I think there were at least three) react differently.
For me, there is no noticeable lag and the additional features outweigh any other issues but that's up to each individual.
Restoring a past backup onto a new ROM can also affect performance and is a definite no-no, so if you happened to do that you should try a reflash.
Thanks for clearing it up for me
I did not restore any previous backup extept only som files but no registry or database stuff. "A03 RTM from Football is the latest WM6 ROM but it still needs a little tweaking by the end-user." does end-user means me? in that case is there any fix/update i should apply. I saw that there was some fixes on the download thread but i got no hardware problems, my bluetooth and wireless works fine.
I was wondering about something, the drivers should be the same as in WM5 as for WM6? shouldnt it be OK to just take thoose?
Yes, that end-user means you and me
My experience with WM6 A03 (footballs) is just the opposite. I have over 4500 appointments (most with notes added to the appointment) in my X51V going back to the 1990's. Prior to WM6 A03 my X51V would hesitate big time when ever I tried to move backwards or forwards within the calender application. With WM6 A03 there is zero hesitation. In addition all of my other applications (excel, word, bible, movies, pictures, pdf, music, etc) have a hugh speed increase. This general increase in speed however is not reflected with a CPU speed of 'Auto' as my daily standard nor any reduction in battery usage. In fact my gut feel (not tested though) is I have improved battery usage with WM6 A03.
Been running with Footballs A03 rom for about a week and today was first day back to work which I have been thoroughly testing it out. So far I am very pleased with the perfomance. but every once in a while If i take the unit off the car charger, Dell soft reset.
Another thing I noticed is that my system memory dont "recover" as well as original A12 WM5, need to softreset to recover Ram much more frequently than previous version....Checking background applications and cancelling all running programms have little effect
After writing some notes and closing, and power off...Power on...system Softresets.
Anyone else running into this issue.
Software currently loaded and most are loaded in main memory
Iguidance 3.01
PI 2007 rev.4 build 869
Pocket breeze 5.0
Widcomm bluetooth stack
MS Voice Commander 1.6
Tweaks 2k2
Sprite Backup
Resco explorer
I can't say that I was experiencing this same issue, but I had a scrolling issue. I solved all my problems by going back to A12 Dell ROM and then reupgrading to A03 RTM Football ROM. I think the problems were caused by all the ROMS I had on there inbetween. Everything works fabulously now.
Did you use any other ROMS inbetween?
Also, would a mod please merge this with the Football A03 thread? That way everyone can benefit from the discussion and things will remain orderly.
Not sure if the ROM is workable for X50V?
i am wondering the same
I see that makuu is developing [X51V] ROM WM6.1 EN classic, private edition
Any chance to make one for x50v ?
that would be sweet!
it is a bit weird that there are so many developers here and none of them appears to own an x50v.
here is the rom you are asking for....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=402468
but the x50v.... has serious hardware issue that it will be imposible to fix with any rom.
What issue are u talking about?
I think he's probably referring to the NOR memory issue in the x50/x50v series Axims. They are known to have issues with performance because of the type of memory: at any random time, as required, the OS will need to move some data around in the Flash-memory and when that happens, it will cause the unit to become very slow and almost totally unresponsive - it's known as the file compaction problem, caused by the filesys.exe driver.
There have been some workarounds over the past 2 years or so, but they only help so much. The file compaction thread is alway running, and can't be stopped or else the device itself will cease to function, so... it's not something that "needs" to be fixed as it's proper operation for a NOR-based device, to be honest.
But if you intend to put any WM5 or any WM6 or even Lenny's WM6.1 ROM(s) on the x50v, sooner or later that file compaction thread will kick in and you'll end up with a super-slow-mo x50v, unfortunately, and it'll stay slow till the file compaction process is done.
I don't notice it that much on my x50v, to be honest, running any ROMs I choose to test out, even Lenny's latest WM6.1 L11 beta a few days ago. I install most every application to a 1GB microSD card (in an SD card adapter) that has pretty fast read/write speeds so I don't notice the filesys.exe thing very often, if at all.
Dell went back to the drawing board and put proper NAND Flash-memory in the x51/x51v so that one never has such problems and offers superior performance overall.
where can I get the L11 beta for X50v?
Thanks,.
mcdull said:
where can I get the L11 beta for X50v?
Thanks,.
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new x50v rom ?
Is the original WM6 for Artemis more responsive in general use than the WM5 version? I'm also interested if the cooked ROM's (Touch 4.02 for example) have any speed advantages when running TomTom. In my WM5 TomTom is quite slow. Can anyone comment on the performance of TomTom using different ROM's? Is there any visual difference?
About battery life, I've read a lot about some experiencing power drain but others getting even better battery performance with the same ROM. Is it even possible to say whether WM6 increased battery life vs WM5 or not? Please post your experiences, as I am trying to decide to upgrade or not to, because it is a small risk aswell.
in general: DUMP WM5 !
Advantages ( amongst others) of WM6:
- no data loss when out-off battery !!!!
- tomtom and other apps run more smoothly/quickly (subjectively)
The battery-drain for sure is a concerning matter, due to being based on gsm polling problems on certaain machines/radio versions!
he last tested and afaik original artemis radio rom is version 02.98.90.
greetz
totally agree and i suggest go forward to WM 6.1
WM5 is only history
thormdac said:
in general: DUMP WM5 !
Advantages ( amongst others) of WM6:
- no data loss when out-off battery !!!!
- tomtom and other apps run more smoothly/quickly (subjectively)
The battery-drain for sure is a concerning matter, due to being based on gsm polling problems on certaain machines/radio versions!
he last tested and afaik original artemis radio rom is version 02.98.90.
greetz
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wm5 is faster in my opinion that wm6 and wm6 totally kills your battery time which is a big nusience..
also wm6 seems more complicated with the simple phone functions....
I have tried some of the cooked rom's and have so many problem with the screen auto rolling when I don't want it to and sometimes I will click on "ok" and it doesn't seem to register for 3-4 seconds....
in general for phone and email use I am going back to wm5 to get back the battery time and general usability of the phone itself...
with wm5 I hardley ever ran out of battery time however with wm6 there has been a few occassions where I have not had a chance to charge the phone in one or two days and it has gone flat when I really needed it... simple things like this make the upgrade not worthwhile IMO, even if there are better features and nicer look in wm6..
Still confused what to do then with my xda orbit!
Just found this thread.
Mixed advice it would seem.
I've just bought an XDA ORBIT. It's still got Windows Mobile 5 and has TOMTOM 6 installed.
I still don't know whether I should UPGRADING TO WINDOWS 6.0 OR NOT?
Some say TomTom6 runs better on Windows 5, some disagree.
I also have copilot 6.0 discs which I could use instead. Anyone have a preference between Tomtom6 and Copilot 6 on the xda orbit?
Thanks in advance,
Matt.
I strongly reccomend skipping WM6.0 and going streight to WM6.1, and go for the "Touch 4.01" rom. I'd personally reccomend the vanilla one, as it's the fastest, and most of the installed stuff will be useless on the bulkier roms.
TomTom 6 runs very well on WM6.1, better than I remember on 5.0, however, i'm using a much later version I got from an unmentionable place. Takes only 3-4s to load from the today screen.
As for the data loss with WM5, that's actually a bit of a fib. Non-volatile storage was introduced with WM5, and enhanced for WM6. It was WM2003/SE when there were issues with volatile storage, and the in-ability to actually turn a device off.
Hope this helps
thormdac said:
in general: DUMP WM5 !
he last tested and afaik original artemis radio rom is version 02.98.90.
greetz
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Latest official o2 wm6 rom is shipping with radio version 3.06.90, which I found very good.
Wish there was stand alone install for this one, so I could use it with touch 4.02.