I've tried a few ROMs and I've finally settled on CM7. I like to use a DPI of 200 or lower and when I do this on a Sense ROM, Sense can't scale properly and it looks weird. I also like to have only one or two home screens with all my icons on and twitter and facebook widgets, but on Sense I can only put a few icons on and its full.
So my question to everyone is:
What do you personally find good about HTC Sense?
There are so many great things about sence. The widgets, the dialer, the easy faceboook and twitter sync with contacts. Sence is easly skinable, ooooh and the sms widget is the only dedicated sms widget ive seen for android lol
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i like the widgets but the dialer misses something very important searching by the number ie. sense dialer search for 010445567 is found but search for 44556 isnt found in the list.
and also i dont like people application it doesnt allow me to add more details in number unless its a google contact wich i dont like bec i dont want to store my numbers online.
ie. if its a phone contanct type i cant add mobile 1 and mobile 2 labels for the same contact, but i found an app thats free and does this even for phone contact called phonebook 2.0.
I prefer more home screens, nice big and bold so that its touch friendly.
I know my phone can do a lot if pretty high computational stuff so my brain doesn't need to when navigating around it.
I had cm Rom ex launcher etc etc before on the hero and it felt like there was too many options to edit. Great if you know exactly what you like. But its such a hassle to go through all the possibilities and adjustments. Not to mention hassle of messing it up and correcting.
It's a bit like heavily modifying a car.. its fun, its about identity, its about the fastest or the prettiest or coolest, however there's a lot of time spent behind it plus it will have its practicality drawbacks.
There's nothing wrong with the bog standard look with a few minor easy tweaks, much less time consuming.
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I just like the functionality and the widgets from HTC Sense.
It is like last polishing for android.
Personally the only thing I like about sense is the widgets, apart from that sense is a bloatware, just the same as all the other OEM overlays ie. touchwiz, timescape etc.
I think HTC should spend more time innovating hardware rather then spending its resources on software. The main issue I see is that we have to wait so long for software updates just because HTC need to put there crap on top.
Sense has the best integration of Facebook. I can easily see my Facebook events and birthdays in my Android calendar with Sense.
With aosp you need to fart around exporting and importing calendars or using third party apps.
Not important for everyone but it is for me.
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Sense has the best integration of Facebook. I can easily see my Facebook events and birthdays in my Android calendar with Sense.
With aosp you need to fart around exporting and importing calendars or using third party apps.
Not important for everyone but it is for me.
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Yeah that is what you immediately notice when going from Sense to AOSP.
For me it just provides everything I need, it's very smooth and it's consinstant throughout sense programs. I've tried other launchers but I found myself going very quickly back to sense.
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Personally the only thing I like about sense is the widgets, apart from that sense is a bloatware, just the same as all the other OEM overlays ie. touchwiz, timescape etc.
I think HTC should spend more time innovating hardware rather then spending its resources on software. The main issue I see is that we have to wait so long for software updates just because HTC need to put there crap on top.
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HTC does not manufacture the components that go into their phones, so there is no way they can put more resourses in innovating the hardware. Processors are by Qualcomm, screens are by Sharp (maybe?), cameras, etc. all made by other manufacturers. HTC assembles them and puts their software on top. So their selling point is a/ Sense, b/ Quality and c/ Support. All of them unsurpassed by any other. And before anyone has anything to say about HTC's support, let me ask you when will the SGS receive Gingerbread officialy? We are set for Q2 and it will be a fiasco for Samsung if the SGS (which is basicaly NS minus the NFC) receives the update later than the Desire series.
To answer the OP question - everything. Well everything minus the fact that you can't choose not to use Sense. In WM Sense (TouchFLO 3D) could be "turned off" but not in Android. Not that I would turn it off, but it's always nice to have that option. Anyway, I think the ring volume control is briliant (quiet ring on phone pickup and shutting the ring on phone flip), as I receive a lot of calls and this is perfect for managing your rings when in a meeting, I love the BIG phone button on the bottom (it's a phone after all, so why should it be difficult to open the dialer), I like the Facebook integration (though I might be the only person on that planet that actually hates Facebook) - I use it only for the big updated contact picture when someone calls me. And don't get me started on the widgets - have you noticed how almost all the widgets on the market try (not that successfuly) to copy HTC's? OK there is one more thing I don't like in Sense - lack of landscape. Especialy for the Car Panel and the Locations navi software. But other than that... WOW.
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So their selling point is a/ Sense, b/ Quality and c/ Support. All of them unsurpassed by any other. And before anyone has anything to say about HTC's support, let me ask you when will the SGS receive Gingerbread officialy? We are set for Q2 and it will be a fiasco for Samsung if the SGS (which is basicaly NS minus the NFC) receives the update later than the Desire series.
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So you are saying HTC are the lesser of two evils? I am not sure about hardware support but software support for all HTC phones is nothing short of pathetic. If and when the Desire series gets Gingerbread then we may be able to re-evaluate HTC, but until then they (and most other Android manufactures) are still miles behind Apple in software support.
I am very pleased with sense and most important for me too is easy integration of facebook and twitter contacts. also all the other theme and skin thing i do like it although sense makes phone overloaded but why do i care my dhd is perfectly capable of handling it with huge RAM and processing horse power .
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So you are saying HTC are the lesser of two evils? I am not sure about hardware support but software support for all HTC phones is nothing short of pathetic. If and when the Desire series gets Gingerbread then we may be able to re-evaluate HTC, but until then they (and most other Android manufactures) are still miles behind Apple in software support.
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If you call HTC's support pathetic, then you'll be out of words to describe other manufacturers' support. When did the SGS get Foyo? What about SE's... well maybe their department is also called "support" but that word has nothing to do with reallity. Apple is a totally different ball game. They do not (yes that's right - NOT) compete directly with other manufacturers. Noone else makes iOS devices (and knowing Apple, noone will) so there is no competition for them. They can afford to put so much resourses in support because they actually make money out of it. If you had the original iPhone and have spent few hundred dollars for software over the years you'll move to another iPhone. Apple keeps the customers tied to their own AppStore (the only way you can install applications without jailbreaking) and that way you keep buying their devices. What happens if HTC puts so much resourses in support? They fall behind the other Android phone manufacturers and eventually are out of business. No company would go that way. Fierce competition unfortunatelly leads to bad support (yes HTC's support is bad, but still the best ). If they don't focus on newer hardware, you'll buy your next phone from Samsung, or LG, or whoever and still keep your applications.
There is much to be said about that subject, but this is not the place. This is the place to discuss Sense.
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HTC does not manufacture the components that go into their phones, so there is no way they can put more resourses in innovating the hardware. Processors are by Qualcomm, screens are by Sharp (maybe?), cameras, etc. all made by other manufacturers. HTC assembles them and puts their software on top. So their selling point is a/ Sense, b/ Quality and c/ Support. All of them unsurpassed by any other. And before anyone has anything to say about HTC's support, let me ask you when will the SGS receive Gingerbread officialy? We are set for Q2 and it will be a fiasco for Samsung if the SGS (which is basicaly NS minus the NFC) receives the update later than the Desire series.
To answer the OP question - everything. Well everything minus the fact that you can't choose not to use Sense. In WM Sense (TouchFLO 3D) could be "turned off" but not in Android. Not that I would turn it off, but it's always nice to have that option. Anyway, I think the ring volume control is briliant (quiet ring on phone pickup and shutting the ring on phone flip), as I receive a lot of calls and this is perfect for managing your rings when in a meeting, I love the BIG phone button on the bottom (it's a phone after all, so why should it be difficult to open the dialer), I like the Facebook integration (though I might be the only person on that planet that actually hates Facebook) - I use it only for the big updated contact picture when someone calls me. And don't get me started on the widgets - have you noticed how almost all the widgets on the market try (not that successfuly) to copy HTC's? OK there is one more thing I don't like in Sense - lack of landscape. Especialy for the Car Panel and the Locations navi software. But other than that... WOW.
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I realise HTC doesn't manufacture all of its components, but have you seen the new MWC 11 HTC lineup? Pathetic in my opinion, no innovation at all, and that HTC flyer tablet is way behind than what the competition is offering, and not even being released with honeycomb.
Like I said the only good thing about sense are the widgets, apart from that theres nothing else that I cant do on AOSP that I can on sense.
My problem with sense is that HTC keep adding and adding stuff to it, most of it is useless anyway, ie locations is pointless when you already have google maps. There will come to a point where we'll be waiting for software updates for ages, compared to something like the nexus series. Its a good way of adding value and differentiating from the competition but is there really a need to keep on adding bloatware with every version of android that comes out?
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I realise HTC doesn't manufacture all of its components, but have you seen the new MWC 11 HTC lineup? Pathetic in my opinion, no innovation at all, and that HTC flyer tablet is way behind than what the competition is offering, and not even being released with honeycomb.
Like I said the only good thing about sense are the widgets, apart from that theres nothing else that I cant do on AOSP that I can on sense.
My problem with sense is that HTC keep adding and adding stuff to it, most of it is useless anyway, ie locations is pointless when you already have google maps. There will come to a point where we'll be waiting for software updates for ages, compared to something like the nexus series. Its a good way of adding value and differentiating from the competition but is there really a need to keep on adding bloatware with every version of android that comes out?
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Locations is a great software (apart from the stupidity to make it work in portrait only). You have Google Navigation, but here in Bulgaria (and many other countries) we don't have it. Also the "offline" Google Maps were launched after the release of the DHD, so it's not really an option when traveling abroad. I actualy liked it so much I was going to buy the license for navigation, but the lack of landscape made me reconsider and went for iGo insted (I like Locations more than iGo though). The best thing in HTC is that you don't have to wait for the official updates - the community support thanks to this great forum is much, MUCH better. My Touch HD two years after I bought it, still had the latest Sense (though I had to turn some of the features off due to the weaker hardware), with the latest 6.5 WM build. My point is you don't have to wait for HTC to bring updates for the DHD (it has almost gone through the half of it's "support life" anyway) you can always have the newest software ported from the next phone. Nexus series will always get the official updates of the core functionality first, but CM7 was released before Google updated the N1, so in a way we got Gingerbread even before Google's own phone . You can always have AOSP soon enough, but they will never have Sense.
About MWC... yes HTC presented weaker phones than the competition, but until the OS and the applications are optimised for dual-cores there is no need for them. HTC is not going to be the inovative company this year, that's for sure. So what? I'm not going to buy a new phone this year anyway .
I really like the alarm app which comes with HTC Sense. My girlfriend has a Galaxy S, and the alarm clock on HTC sense is way better.
- Best interface
- Animations are fantastic
- Clock , mp3 widgets , calendar , weather etc. - Best i've seen
- Fast , Clean
HTC SENSE - the best thing about android .. !
For me its is 3 things:
The recent apps in the notification menu, i use that dozens of times a day. All phones should have something similar (long press doesnt count!)
The text selection and cut + paste implementation. Its awesome.
The unobtrusive facebook contacts integration.
I dont use the sense launcher as there are too many features that it lacks. ( I use ADW EX).
But overall the sense features are useful enough that i dont want to switch to CM7.
Don't forget the awesome spinning wheels when setting an alarm our appointment. The vanilla + - buttons are boring in comparison.
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i have heard alot of hate for moto blur reading reviews on tech blogs and in forums which has always put me off a motorola. however now i have the defy i actually think that blur improves the android experience since its not massivly skinned and you can still tell its android but with a few nicer tweaks
granted the home screens are a heap of **** but nothing that cant be solved but .ADW launcher and the new ex is phenomenal
also ive heard it is a bit of a data hogger but just set it to wi fi only and job done
appart from that their are alot of nice improvments over stock
I think the social network intergration is brilliant and better and easyer than stock
plus the keyboard is much better than stock and better than gingerbreads aswell
the usb managment is better
stock wi fi teathering
i think nicer lock screen
better camera app
better sync with computer and that in browser thing is very nice
all in all i think moto have done a nice job and dont think it deserves the bad stick it gets
what are your thaughts?
Nope!! me to!
Isn't bad at all!! but... it's kite laggy...
but... LauncherPRO or ADW are more complet than default BLUR.
BLUR Consumes a looot of memory by the face, need a good optimitzation.
It's ugly though
Also I'm not sure if the keyboard has anything to do with Motoblur? The Defy does come with the Swype keyboard pre-installed though, you might be referring to that.
The only moto keyboard I have seen is on the chinese rom.
I like the messing tools and widget...some other stuff as well....if it didn't bog down the phone so much it would be okay.
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The 'Multi-touch keyboard' app is from Motorola and defiantly one of the best I've used...
I like motoblur in general. Could go higher on the "cute" factor, but it gets the job done.
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The 'Multi-touch keyboard' app is from Motorola and defiantly one of the best I've used...
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i agree i think it is the nicest on android and swype is a nice addition ad well
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I like motoblur in general. Could go higher on the "cute" factor, but it gets the job done.
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yeah i think the home screens and widgets dont look ideal and could use a bit of polish their seems to be little consistency their perhaps
I like Motoblur as a whole. The social networking widgets are great, but there's some minor things missing. I'd like to be able to divide the applications into categories such as LG's Optimus phones (I've an Optimus One as well). I tried the LG launcher on the Defy and it works good, however I prefer the Motorola widgets.
ADW feels a little too heavy for my taste.
Swype is great though, not really a Motorola only feature but still awesome that it's built in. Compared to HTC's phones... well I'd like to see some HTC Sense system with the pinch to zoom - viewing all homescreens at once feature.
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thats available in adw
could you post the lg launcher ive never used an lg android and was close to getting the optimus 1 just fancied the defy a tiny but more
Well, the interface is not that bad. I don't think it is ugly. But I found it unresponsive and laggy, at best. So I went for go launcher.
The message app is quite nice, but I don't use it because I miss the gmail threaded view.
The same goes for the social network app. Links cannot be opened directly making the app completely unuseful, since I have to use another one or the browser to read the complete post.
News widget does not support google reader.
Another big defect in my opinion is the missing opportunity to update system apps. For instance amazon mp3 does not support my locale, and I cannot update it.
Moreover system apps are triggered even if they are not used, sucking system resources. I have installed auto starts and found out it was a complete mess, but cleaning that is a hell of a job, and it's risky.
All in all blur looks unoptimized and half cooked so I think I will go for the deblur rom as soon as I get a win xp machine. I don't feel like experimenting with sbf_flash on linux; in the end this is my first android...
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Even if you like Blur, it's impossible to argue against the fact that the implementation is shoddy.
You remove the widgets from the homescreen but it still runs a bunch of processes in the background, absolutely no need to do so.
The likes of the facbook integration in the contacts list is utterly lazy and uesless.
Motorola should offer people the ability to either disable Blur or flash official Blur-free ROMs.
Ghost volume button issue on most devices
No micro sd card support
Confusing user interface
No Facebook contacts sync
No native social network widget
Can't add more home screens
Fuzzy speaker
Lock screen vibration can't be switched off
No digital clock only analog widget
Quadrant benchmark only 1500 score
Lag in many areas
No Facebook events calendar sync
Only 5m camera
THE VOLUME BUG HAS REALLY PUT ME OFF AND SAMSUNG ARE STILL TO ACKNOWLEDGE
Ghost volume button issue on most devices - Valid Concern
No micro sd card support - Shouldn't be a surprise
Confusing user interface - Seriously?
No Facebook contacts sync - Facebook's fault, not Google's
No native social network widget - Again, look at the social networks for blame
Can't add more home screens - Never been more than 5 in stock android
Fuzzy speaker - valid concern
Lock screen vibration can't be switched off - Don't have one, so can't comment
No digital clock only analog widget - Never been one in stock android
Quadrant benchmark only 1500 score - Don't have one, so can't comment
Lag in many areas - Don't have one, so can't comment
No Facebook events calendar sync - Never been in stock android OR from facebook's app
Only 5m camera - Shouldn't be a surprise
Most of this is your own fault for not knowing in advance, or isn't a valid point.
"Massive"??...thats a strong term to use. Most of your points are either things we already knew or there are other ways to circumvent, so therfore a non-issue. I think you just wanted to make a thread just to be making a thread.
+1 to the other comments.... it is in the best interest to your homework before you purchase, not the day after
The ghost volume and fuzzy speaker are the only real concerns......... and Really. . . . . How many here are going to keep this stock ??? hmmmm???
My guess the sound and volume will be eliminated when either Voodoo is adapted to this phone or some other equal
And, as far as all those other issues custom roms solve all of them
As for me, I always try to get something that has great hardware the software doesn't matter, we here in XDA will customize, make, kang or just create what we need.
Seems to me that this threads are becoming typical every time a new device hits the market more so in this case with all the hype of the Nexus. Buyers remorse, lack of due diligence? Or something else…
Other than the low volume problem, this post only proves how ignorant you are.
Previous post sums it up.
UI is fine - blame the user not the tech!
I don't have the volume issue but that would be the only concern I would point the finger at.
Making a deal about vibrate on a lock screen - what next??
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knut150 said:
Seems to me that this threads are becoming typical every time a new device hits the market more so in this case with all the hype of the Nexus. Buyers remorse, lack of due diligence? Or something else…
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Saying that there has been a "lack of due diligence" implies that people have just gone out and bought the phone with no knowledge of it whatsoever. This isn't true. I read every single hands on, preview, and article I could find on the Nexus before I bought it, and not a single one mentioned any of the problems or small annoyances we have been having. So, tell me - how has showing "due diligence" made any difference to me?
Buyers remorse? Sure, that could factor into it - but only because of the problems.
These threads are becoming more typical because the devices are getting more expensive, and we are becoming to rely on them more for our day to day life. If problems are happening, they become more of an issue to us
viniturb0 said:
Lock screen vibration can't be switched off
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This can be turned off in Settings -> Security -> Vibrate on Touch
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This can be turned off in Settings -> Security -> Vibrate on Touch
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Not sure that setting is in Security - think its in display - and deselecting it in display has no effect on lockscreen
Then again - maybe I'm remembering incorrectly.
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Other than the low volume problem, this post only proves how ignorant you are.
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This post only proves that for some people being polite is only an optional feature.
And also that is a lot easier to insult someone behind a monitor rather than face to face in real life.
Oh and Quadrant is one of the worst benchmarks available. Try some others like linpack / antutu / cf-bench. Eventho those are probably not optimized for ICS, they at least use multithreading etc.
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I actually agree on the interface/UI. Menu key appears on some apps at the bottom some at the top some dont have it at all. Also there's no menu key on the main android screen which Paul O'Brien has modded to show that its there in the code to be used. Not sure what Google were thinking there? Same old Google for me, rushing out updates. ICS needs some polishing in my opinion. Battery life sucks still on the OS too which I would have thought they would have addressed this time around. That volume bug is a pain too, BIG ONE!
This is my opinion mind, hope Google sort these things out.
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I actually agree on the interface/UI. Menu key appears on some apps at the bottom some at the top some dont have it at all. Also there's no menu key on the main android screen which Paul O'Brien has modded to show that its there in the code to be used. Not sure what Google were thinking there? Same old Google for me, rushing out updates. ICS needs some polishing in my opinion. Battery life sucks still on the OS too which I would have thought they would have addressed this time around. That volume bug is a pain too, BIG ONE!
This is my opinion mind, hope Google sort these things out.
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If you're talking about what i think you're talking about then that is actually intended to be like that.
Apps that use the keyboard (Such as messaging, gmail, maps, etc.) all have an action bar where, amongst other things, the menu is that the bottom. When you start using the keyboard, the action bar is removed, and the menu button is then moved to the upper right side of the corner.
Of course, any other app developer can put this wherever they like, and for the apps not currently compatible with this type of menu they have the "compatibility" menu in the software buttons.
As for, what i assume you mean the launcher, it's possible that there is still code for it in ICS to be compatible with older phones that may be upgrading to ICS but will have the 4 capacitive buttons instead, including the menu button.
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Oh and Quadrant is one of the worst benchmarks available. Try some others like linpack / antutu / cf-bench. Eventho those are probably not optimized for ICS, they at least use multithreading etc.
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You mean my 4500 score in Quadrant using my tweaked kernel is meaningless???!?!? I don't think I can live any more...
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Ghost volume button issue on most devices
No micro sd card support
Confusing user interface
No Facebook contacts sync
No native social network widget
Can't add more home screens
Fuzzy speaker
Lock screen vibration can't be switched off
No digital clock only analog widget
Quadrant benchmark only 1500 score
Lag in many areas
No Facebook events calendar sync
Only 5m camera
THE VOLUME BUG HAS REALLY PUT ME OFF AND SAMSUNG ARE STILL TO ACKNOWLEDGE
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if that is your case, i don't see a point you complaining, might as well go get another make handset.
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Can't add more home screens - Never been more than 5 in stock android
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I'm looking at my Motorola Milestone, which I believe is stock Android, with an option for seven and nine homescreens. But I don't use more than five anyway.
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This post only proves that for some people being polite is only an optional feature.
And also that is a lot easier to insult someone behind a monitor rather than face to face in real life.
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Am stating a fact, ignorance is not an insult. dumbass is.
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I'm looking at my Motorola Milestone, which I believe is stock Android, with an option for seven and nine homescreens. But I don't use more than five anyway.
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if that's the case, it isn't stock.
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I'm looking at my Motorola Milestone, which I believe is stock Android, with an option for seven and nine homescreens. But I don't use more than five anyway.
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No, the Milestone is not fully stock Android but it's close. The launcher is slightly different as you've seen.
Obvious troll is obvious. Let the thread die, the OP doesn't care about your replies anyways - hence the lack of any sort of reply.
The hardware and design of this phone are top notch - most features work really well except anything in regards to multi-tasking. I am very disappointed that its missing basic functionality I thought should be pretty standard these days especially on a flagship device. Case in point - Usa today app, its always been really nice while traveling since I can sync it before flying and read all the articles while in-flight on my iPhone during airplane mode, with the One X any open browser page or related app becomes a useless blank page when airplane mode is switched on. Heck even the picture I had open in the gallery section closed and took me back to the main gallery (picture) folder and of course this does not need an internet connection.
It looks like Sense 4.0 has eliminated multi-tasking, as much as I like the device otherwise I just cant give up so much basic functionality that I have been enjoying for years on other phones... Will probably have to return and go back to my iphone 4 for now.. Bummer -
It does not appear that HTC recognizes this short-coming as a problem and considers this normal functionality so I cant just wait for an update/fix...
Anyone else feel this way ?
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The hardware and design of this phone are top notch - most features work really well except anything in regards to multi-tasking. I am very disappointed that its missing basic functionality I thought should be pretty standard these days especially on a flagship device. Case in point - Usa today app, its always been really nice while traveling since I can sync it before flying and read all the articles while in-flight on my iPhone during airplane mode, with the One X any open browser page or related app becomes a useless blank page when airplane mode is switched on. Heck even the picture I had open in the gallery section closed and took me back to the main gallery (picture) folder and of course this does not need an internet connection.
It looks like Sense 4.0 has eliminated multi-tasking, as much as I like the device otherwise I just cant give up so much basic functionality that I have been enjoying for years on other phones... Will probably have to return and go back to my iphone 4 for now.. Bummer -
It does not appear that HTC recognizes this short-coming as a problem and considers this normal functionality so I cant just wait for an update/fix...
Anyone else feel this way ?
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multitasking is a bit of a joke on this phone. I hope HTC addresses this in a future update.
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Since Sense + OS alone consume most of the ram (> 80%) on the device, I suppose integrated Android task killer is configured in some paranoid mode and is killing backgroups apps like crazy.
If this bothers you, I would install one of senseless ROMs on your HD2 and be happy Possibly there is also a way to make task killer more civilized in custom Sense ROMs.
Sadly, Sense 4.0 is quit bloated and One-X should have at least 1.5GB of RAM to begin with.
Yup, I agree, multitasking is really bad... All my dolphin browser pages reload if I click the home button and try to go back.
Sent from my HTC One X on Leedroid's ROM v5.1.0.
It will addressed with uopdates after all you bought a quad cote for multi tasking, some of xda chefs are communicating with HTC dev and we reported the very aggressive memfree values, also if you are rooted you can control them with supercharger script
Srgsx said:
Case in point - Usa today app, its always been really nice while traveling since I can sync it before flying and read all the articles while in-flight on my iPhone during airplane mode, with the One X any open browser page or related app becomes a useless blank page when airplane mode is switched on.
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When I change the wireless state on my i9100 the same thing happens so it's Android, not HTC or the One X. Even if the USA Today home page was retained clicking on any of the stories would result in an error because there's no wireless connection available. Get an app like Pocket that allows you to save articles from across the web for offline reading. The CNN app also gives you the option to save stories offline.
The multitasking on this phone sucks period. There is not justification. I should not be here looking for an answer. XDA devs should be enhancing the phone not trying to fix basic functionality. I hope HTC solves this problem before my trail period.
mgfjd said:
The multitasking on this phone sucks period. There is not justification. I should not be here looking for an answer. XDA devs should be enhancing the phone not trying to fix basic functionality. I hope HTC solves this problem before my trail period.
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Do any of you understand how multitasking in Android even works? Even if a task is killed by the OS, apps developed that follow the published standard will re-launch in their last state in less than a second. And the better XDA devs should know that. So while HTC's memory management may be aggressive, there's more to it if individual apps aren't behaving correctly.
http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2010/04/multitasking-android-way.html
Srgsx said:
The hardware and design of this phone are top notch - most features work really well except anything in regards to multi-tasking. I am very disappointed that its missing basic functionality I thought should be pretty standard these days especially on a flagship device. Case in point - Usa today app, its always been really nice while traveling since I can sync it before flying and read all the articles while in-flight on my iPhone during airplane mode, with the One X any open browser page or related app becomes a useless blank page when airplane mode is switched on. Heck even the picture I had open in the gallery section closed and took me back to the main gallery (picture) folder and of course this does not need an internet connection.
It looks like Sense 4.0 has eliminated multi-tasking, as much as I like the device otherwise I just cant give up so much basic functionality that I have been enjoying for years on other phones... Will probably have to return and go back to my iphone 4 for now.. Bummer -
It does not appear that HTC recognizes this short-coming as a problem and considers this normal functionality so I cant just wait for an update/fix...
Anyone else feel this way ?
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If you're not happy w it, return it ASAP. Why do you have to care about what others think? It's your money, your experience.
Case closed. Meetings adjourned lol
louis.b said:
If you're not happy w it, return it ASAP. Why do you have to care about what others think? It's your money, your experience.
Case closed. Meetings adjourned lol
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Its called a forum, in which I can and will reach out to others to get feedback on what I consider a situation with a very flawed segment of Sense which is making me contemplate returning an otherwise very nice device.
Look Apple has been doing this puesdo multi-tasking, app-pausing just fine since 4.0 what the heck is HTC thinking ? Browser tabs store just fine for days WITHOUT an internet connection. I geuss I am just expecting too much.
Sorry to interupt move along nothing to see here - lol
If you really want to pile-on, head over here. The XL'rs are far more up in arms than the X'rs.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1646409
I've asked the same questions of people that say the way multitasking is implemented is a real hardship but no one's answered. What's the harm? Of "X" hours a day using the phone, what percentage of your time is actually spent active in two (or more) apps simultaneously? And with a powerful processor it shouldn't matter whether a background app is in state or has to be restarted based on the way Android works (see below). I'm not trying to pick a fight I'm trying to understand the depth of the issue.
And since no one's read the article I linked to, here's the cruxt...
Once Android determines that it needs to remove a process, it does this brutally, simply force-killing it. The kernel can then immediately reclaim all resources needed by the process, without relying on that application being well written and responsive to a polite request to exit. Allowing the kernel to immediately reclaim application resources makes it a lot easier to avoid serious out of memory situations.
If a user later returns to an application that's been killed, Android needs a way to re-launch it in the same state as it was last seen, to preserve the "all applications are running all of the time" experience. This is done by keeping track of the parts of the application the user is aware of (the Activities), and re-starting them with information about the last state they were seen in. This last state is generated each time the user leaves that part of the application, not when it is killed, so that the kernel can later freely kill it without depending on the application to respond correctly at that point.
And based on this, the SGS3's handling memory managment just like the One X so there don't appear to be a lot of options for those with special multitasking needs.
greyhulk said:
The GS3 has the same multitasking "issue" as the One X. I have tested it. That's all the more reason why I don't expect HTC to fix it in an update. I believe it's how the manufacturers intend it to work, for better or worse.
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Try to install Apex launcher free version and set it as default launcher. Reboot and see is situation get better. If works for you then it is sense problem.
It works like a charm on my X. No any problem for multitask.And it is so smooth.
Of course if you do want sense launcher then have to live with issue. But no harm to try Apex to see at least multitask can wrok or not
BarryH_GEG everything looks nice when you write it down like that but i remember SGS did better multitasking then my new double ram HTC One X, on daily basis it kills everything when i9000 never killed my GG chatting app or music player - both just should be ON all the time i was using them thats only 2 apps to handle
At a co-workers urging I installed Go-launcher today in hopes of a quick fix. yeah nothing, still re-renders everything fricken thing it touches.
Should I stil try Apex ?
Apex so far is best launcher for one X. I used it for 1 month. If it is not work for you I will post another solution which may help.
Apex- ok you might be on to something !
Can still hold app data while in airplane mode...
Srgsx said:
the One X any open browser page or related app becomes a useless blank page when airplane mode is switched on.
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If your rooted then flash Jan's Advance Notification toggle to enable Airplane Mode it will retain the webpage because you're not going into a different app.
Srgsx said:
At a co-workers urging I installed Go-launcher today in hopes of a quick fix. yeah nothing, still re-renders everything fricken thing it touches.
Should I stil try Apex ?
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I dont think this is caused by sense taking up too much resources. Seems to be an ics inherent thing. The sgs3 was just reported to behave the same way.
Oh yes i tried the ipad3 the other day. The display was perfect but what surprises me is it multitasks amazingly well. I can have 5 - 6 apps open including youtube and browser with multiple tabs and it switches between them smoothly without once quiting the browser. Really sad to see android/ ics regressed to this state that ios significantly beat it.
if it is ics problem why I can use mutlitask on my one X?
Raider0001 said:
BarryH_GEG everything looks nice when you write it down like that but i remember SGS did better multitasking then my new double ram HTC One X, on daily basis it kills everything when i9000 never killed my GG chatting app or music player - both just should be ON all the time i was using them thats only 2 apps to handle
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I keep asking the question "what does it mean?" and everyone keeps replying "it shouldn't be this way." If a doctor says "there’s something wrong with your liver," there's a big difference between hepatitis A and stage 3 cancer. Other than the perceived loss of something you had how does the way that the One X handles multitasking affect what you do every day? And how often is it a problem?
I had a i9100 and in practical use I don't notice a difference. The exception being the browser that stupidly reloads itself every time it restarts but it does that regardless of whether launched from recent apps or directly from the app drawer or a shortcut.
And if this is true it doesn't really matter what a Desire, HD2, or SGS did.
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The GS3 has the same multitasking "issue" as the One X. I have tested it. That's all the more reason why I don't expect HTC to fix it in an update. I believe it's how the manufacturers intend it to work, for better or worse.
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I just saw this for the s3 and thought it would be pretty cool if we could get our hands on touchwiz for the one if anyone is capable of this it would be awesome.
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Tou...TouchWiz? On the One? :crying:
why not just buy an S4 instead of a One
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Ok, here it goes again, without the use of the F word.
Why would you want touchwiz on our phones?
Samsung literally tried their best to copy Apple, while failing miserably. Instead of clean and sophisticated (for 2007 standards, people) Touchwiz looked like it was designed by children for use by children. 5th grade classrooms want their ugly pastel colors back!
And now Apple has changed their design, to only leave Samsung and their steaming pile of Touchwized crap to wallow in their own poor, copied design.
I BET Samsung will change the next iteration of touchwiz.
It's unfortunate when others can't recognize poor design when it's being sold to them for 200-600 dollars.
I mean, I have no problem with variety and choices but I'm confident nobody is going to want to port TW to the One.
It's just so.....childish looking.
I do not hate Samsung at all, I actually used the S3 for quite a while and I liked it; however from my experience, TouchWiz is extremely slow and laggy.. I mean even the S4 with all its hardware capabilities still has A LOT of lagging issues because of TouchWiz. I'd rather an AOKP ROM with Samsung that one with TouchWiz, especially since all the Motion features and Samsung applications are just useless, practically speaking.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1899537
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eurghhhhh! touchwiz is just ugly. I used to have the s3, couldn't stand touchwiz and so ran aokp on it. I really like the look of stock android but i have to say that i think sense 5 is nicer. Yes nicer than stock android. I think that sense 5 is the first custom skin that has ever looked nicer and ran just as well as stock. Why you would ever want to change that for touchwiz i will never know.
erikikaz said:
Ok, here it goes again, without the use of the F word.
Why would you want touchwiz on our phones?
Samsung literally tried their best to copy Apple, while failing miserably. Instead of clean and sophisticated (for 2007 standards, people) Touchwiz looked like it was designed by children for use by children. 5th grade classrooms want their ugly pastel colors back!
And now Apple has changed their design, to only leave Samsung and their steaming pile of Touchwized crap to wallow in their own poor, copied design.
I BET Samsung will change the next iteration of touchwiz.
It's unfortunate when others can't recognize poor design when it's being sold to them for 200-600 dollars.
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Someone needs to calm down....and I don't think Samsung copied apple at all....samsungs touchwiz and apple's ios look nothing and do nothing alike....
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he just came here to troll
My hate to touchwiz was one of the main reason to quit Samsung and return to HTC.
Variety is good off course. But it will be waste of time for a developer because there will be a little to no interest on it.
Hello, noob here, please don't crucify me. I used to have a GS3 and while my HTC one M7 is a much more solid, faster and sexier phone there are some features that I REALLLYYY miss. First is the pull down menu from the home screen with all the GPS, bluetooth, wifi controls etc. Second, swiping left to call and right to text from contacts was great... really nice feature. Third, editing contact info or adding a new contact, or even going into the phone icon and trying to find a phone number is ponderous on this OS. Can someone recommend another OS or solution? I wasn't sure where else to post this or how to search for all these criteria, so I thought this thread was the best bet. Thanks for your time!
Thadisrad said:
Hello, noob here, please don't crucify me. I used to have a GS3 and while my HTC one M7 is a much more solid, faster and sexier phone there are some features that I REALLLYYY miss. First is the pull down menu from the home screen with all the GPS, bluetooth, wifi controls etc. Second, swiping left to call and right to text from contacts was great... really nice feature. Third, editing contact info or adding a new contact, or even going into the phone icon and trying to find a phone number is ponderous on this OS. Can someone recommend another OS or solution? I wasn't sure where else to post this or how to search for all these criteria, so I thought this thread was the best bet. Thanks for your time!
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Custom Sense ROMs such as TrickDroid have the pull down menu with the horizontal row of scrollable buttons for WiFi, bluetooth, etc (it's called EQS - extended quick settings). Also, all 4.2.2 based ROMS (custom as well as stock) have the native EQS as well (you swipe down from the status bar with 2 fingers). I'm pretty sure there are 3rd party SMS/texting apps that will let you do the swipe thing. There are definitely 3rd party phone/dialer apps that handle contacts better, I suggest trying exDialer. It installs 2 icons, one called Dialer and one called Contacts. If you don't like how the program looks, there are plenty of themes for it. Always remember the good thing about Android is you're not forced to stick with default apps for almost everything. You can potentially replace all the default apps if you so choose: mail, calendar, dialer, contacts, camera, gallery, messaging, web browser, clock, calculator, etc.
Edit: there are also apps in the Play Store like "Notification Toggles" that give you EQS capabilities.
henrybravo said:
Custom Sense ROMs such as TrickDroid have the pull down menu with the horizontal row of scrollable buttons for WiFi, bluetooth, etc (it's called EQS - extended quick settings). Also, all 4.2.2 based ROMS (custom as well as stock) have the native EQS as well (you swipe down from the status bar with 2 fingers). I'm pretty sure there are 3rd party SMS/texting apps that will let you do the swipe thing. There are definitely 3rd party phone/dialer apps that handle contacts better, I suggest trying exDialer. It installs 2 icons, one called Dialer and one called Contacts. If you don't like how the program looks, there are plenty of themes for it. Always remember the good thing about Android is you're not forced to stick with default apps for almost everything. You can potentially replace all the default apps if you so choose: mail, calendar, dialer, contacts, camera, gallery, messaging, web browser, clock, calculator, etc.
Edit: there are also apps in the Play Store like "Notification Toggles" that give you EQS capabilities.
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nice! thanks dude!
Take a look here....
TouchWiz Galaxy S4
http://www.android.com/kitkat/index.html
Well if past versions are any indicator...I think I would save my money and buy a TWINKIE instead!!! Come on...give me a break already. If its the same old bland and black ui with widgets that do not match over all ui theme,the usual google bloatware,ui issues going nack to version 1 regarding how the launchers do not properly format wallpapers to screen in landscape mode..if it even supports landscape mode..,calendar with a widget that does not even include a full month calendar...generally very basic over all. I will hold off on jumping on this bandwagon until I get the "experience" that awes me vs causes me to snore. They should call it Lemon instead.
Have a free KitKat guys !
http://www.androidauthority.com/kitkat-giveaway-262396/
Rumor is they chose Kit-Kat because they're breaking away the core apps from the OS into the Play Store - so "break me off a piece".
staknhalo said:
Rumor is they chose Kit-Kat because they're breaking away the core apps from the OS into the Play Store - so "break me off a piece".
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Like Google Keyboard. Someone was talking about Google Camera as well. Google Launcher would be nice =D
i would like to see google take this opportunity not just as a marketing scheme to pull in more money but also really bring android up to par with iphone in the user experience area. an interface that is eye catching like sense but actually optimized to run smoothly on any device..can be done with what they have now actually,the themers pull it off for the most part..so they could also. andtoid needs to take that next step..not just be a bunch of marketing crap with absolutely no substance. and stop with the .1,.2,.3,.4,.5....etc releases..really. Release a STABLE operating system that actually works well enough to do everyone until the next release. That gives time to really develop new things instead of focusing on small updates that amount to nothing in the end. Kit Kat,Butterfinger, Hershey's...I dont give a damn what you call it..just make it good.