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I've had my phone overclocked 15% for months now...I pre-ordered and picked it up on June 4th (the day they were released to the public) and it's never been replaced. I rooted it right away using the engineering hboot method, and I immediately went to a rooted stock rom with a kernel that'd allow overclocking the very first time I saw one posted on this forum. I've never been able to run it at anything higher than 1152 mhz, but I've also never had any stability issues at 1152 mhz. I also allow it to go as low as 128 mhz all the time.
Since then I've played with various roms, and various kernels, but the first thing I've done when changing any rom or kernel, is always set the min and max CPU speeds again, and decide which governor to use. I've also always played with the undervolting strategies, from static to HAVS, and I've always been able to get away with the most agressive stuff posted without any stability issues.
Your mileage may vary, but thats been my experience with an overclocked Evo. I will admit I can barely notice the performance difference from 998 mhz to 1152 mhz, but I actually notice a battery life improvement...get it done faster so the CPU can go back to idling at a low frequency as soon as possible mentality I guess.
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@MikeOD, which governor and what governor parameters have you found to work best for you?
I think the whole overclock boils down to what you do with your phone. If nothing overly cpu intensive, then there's likely to be little gain in the amount of saved time.
I actually have mine under clocked at 921 Mhz (came that way in the rom initially). UI was fluid enough and everything still seemed to work well/responsive. I get slightly better battery life too. Noticeable in the rate the batt % declines during active tasks (web browsing).
I have recently rooted my dhd and currently running CM7. Using the cpu setting within the performance menu I am wondering what peoples thoughts are on a noticeable but safe increase of cpu speed. its set as 1017MHz which i believe is default. I am told I can run anything up to 1500 safely. can anyone confirm this and also tell me what kind of result (performance and battery life) i should expect.
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Well, I use Android Revolution HD (a sense rom, meaning heavy UI!) and i overclock to about 1.3GHz. In terms of battery life when it's awake, it seems a drain a teeny bit more readily, but I've never had a freeze on sense (quite rare)
On stock it underclocks to let the processor max at around 400MHz when the screens off, so that helps to really save a lot of battery on standby. On CM, I'd expect it'd feel more or less the same in terms of performance after you hit 1.2/1.3GHz
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Well, I use Android Revolution HD (a sense rom, meaning heavy UI!) and i overclock to about 1.3GHz. In terms of battery life when it's awake, it seems a drain a teeny bit more readily, but I've never had a freeze on sense (quite rare)
On stock it underclocks to let the processor max at around 400MHz when the screens off, so that helps to really save a lot of battery on standby. On CM, I'd expect it'd feel more or less the same in terms of performance after you hit 1.2/1.3GHz
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thanks for the reply mate. going to try out revolution HD soon i think. have you overclocked using a third party app or is there one built into that rom?
also im a little confused by the governors. 'on demand' is the default governor. Does that mean it will only use the max selected cpu speed when necessary? would you recommend using a difference setting?
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thanks for the reply mate. going to try out revolution HD soon i think. have you overclocked using a third party app or is there one built into that rom?
also im a little confused by the governors. 'on demand' is the default governor. Does that mean it will only use the max selected cpu speed when necessary? would you recommend using a difference setting?
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The CPU is managed by the ROM itself. You can tweak it yourself by using setCPU (or similar), but I can advise you not to. Can't help you with the governors buddy, since I dunno what it is
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The CPU is managed by the ROM itself. You can tweak it yourself by using setCPU (or similar), but I can advise you not to. Can't help you with the governors buddy, since I dunno what it is
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nice one dude
I'm running cm7 and I'm overclocked to 1.5 ghz. It's been totally fine for months.
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rhodri11 said:
thanks for the reply mate. going to try out revolution HD soon i think. have you overclocked using a third party app or is there one built into that rom?
also im a little confused by the governors. 'on demand' is the default governor. Does that mean it will only use the max selected cpu speed when necessary? would you recommend using a difference setting?
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Lucky you picked a linuxhead!
The system itself has a daemon (background process built into the system) that handles overclocking. It's all explained on the page and also on this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=14638641&postcount=34279
You can use another app (like SetCPU) but the daemon usually handles screen off's quicker. The governors basically determine how the processor frequency is changed. I'll explain the common ones:
Performance - Runs at highest speed, so if you have a range of 200 to 1.3G, it'll stay at 1.3G all the time, not usually the best
Ondemand - The universal default for phone overclocking, it only changes the speed up after a certain percentage of the CPU is used, and it switches on the fly, so if the CPU is used too much at 400MHz, it'll ramp it up to maybe 600 or 800, and if it's still overused, it'll put it up to maybe 1 or 1.2G
Conservative - This is like ondemand, except it makes the changes more gradual. It can give noticable lags in the foreground at times, so this is mainly used when the phone is asleep (screen off)
Smartass - This governor is like ondemand, except it'll less readily switch frequencies to higher values when it detects the screen off. This isn't really used because the overclocking daemons take into account the phone being awake or not
Basically, there isn't really a need to change governors, only really frequencies if anything. The thread, however, does tell you how to change governors.
Im using latest LeeDroid GB 3.2.1 and to be honest with the work he's done with the Kernal (3.1.8BFS) I have found that the ROM is a lot MORE responsive without me overclocking the CPU.
Im not really sure how it all works, but I guess doing this on different ROMS has its own different out comes.
overclocking has me confused too, is there really that much of a benefit in it? how much will i gain from it?
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overclocking has me confused too, is there really that much of a benefit in it? how much will i gain from it?
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There is a benefit when you use certain apps, or even sense itself. For example, I've never had sense ui freeze, or go slow. The under clocking helps to improve the rubbish battery life when your phone is asleep.
In terms of measuring the gain, I have no idea. Really, I'd think you could use a process heavy app, or benchmarking app and see.
There's also loads of guides on overclocking to help out! (that's how I got the hang of it! )
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For the need on OC, it depends on the kind of apps u're using. If u're happy w a non OC DHD, its totally up to u.
But for the UC, it works as a terrific battery saver, mich better/effective than other battery saver soln on market
The safe range depends on the DHD as the manufacturing changed even though same part, i'm OC 1.5GHz "On Demand" profile and under clock 245MHz on screen off "Power Save" profile.
Getting approx a day usage on Lee 2.1.
Hi guys, i've been looking into many threads and reading a lot of posts and asking a lot of questions. however i know that their is not for sure answer to this but i would like to see what you guys believe to be your best kernel for battery and performance. i have seen people say it is Godmode (v9), Tiamat v4.1.0, Tiamat v3.3.7, and Savaged-zen v2.2.1. (ALL of these ARE with SBC-OFF). i just want to know what is you best kernel at the moment for your evo with decks or cm7.
Side Question: what is the difference between the governors: (Interactive, InteractiveX, Smartass, SmartassV2, Savaged-zen, and Lag Free)?
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I like Tiamat 4.1.0, but I can't help you for your side question. I'm still new to development and rooting
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I like Tiamat 4.1.0, but I can't help you for your side question. I'm still new to development and rooting
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i know you said your new but im just wondering have you tried any other kernels?
and what is your battery life with Tiamat 4.1.0
I've used damn near every kernel available for CM7. And by far the BEST kernel for battery life is Savaged Zen. I'm on a stock battery and it just seems to last forever. Add to that the fact that the battery lasts all day without sacrificing performance at all. Every phone is different and you may or may not see the same results. This is just what has worked for my phone. Honestly, your best bet is to get flash happy with various kernels until you find one that gives you the performance and battery life that you're looking for. By the way, I use SVZ Manager with my kernel so that I can toggle SBC on and off as I please. It's a nice apk that gives you some flexibility.
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i know you said your new but im just wondering have you tried any other kernels?
and what is your battery life with Tiamat 4.1.0
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I've tried Tiamat 4.0.8 and a Savaged Zen kernel (can't remember which version). They both gave me about 12 hours of battery life on an average day(for me). But an average day for me is going to school, so I'm not on my phone as much. I haven't gotten to really test the battery life because I haven't looked at it on the weekend when I'm not at school. But like Concordium said, every phone is different! Try them all!
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I've used damn near every kernel available for CM7. And by far the BEST kernel for battery life is Savaged Zen. I'm on a stock battery and it just seems to last forever. Add to that the fact that the battery lasts all day without sacrificing performance at all. Every phone is different and you may or may not see the same results. This is just what has worked for my phone. Honestly, your best bet is to get flash happy with various kernels until you find one that gives you the performance and battery life that you're looking for. By the way, I use SVZ Manager with my kernel so that I can toggle SBC on and off as I please. It's a nice apk that gives you some flexibility.
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at the moment i am using the latest svz kernel with the svz manager as well. i have been flashing many kernels and for a while i was happy when i used the godmode kernel my phone lasted me 1 day and 6 hours, however he is no longer updating his kernels =( i'm hoping to find another kernel such as that one that will give me around the same results ^_^
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at the moment i am using the latest svz kernel with the svz manager as well. i have been flashing many kernels and for a while i was happy when i used the godmode kernel my phone lasted me 1 day and 6 hours, however he is no longer updating his kernels =( i'm hoping to find another kernel such as that one that will give me around the same results ^_^
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I liked Godmode. But it didn't seem to give me as good battery life as savaged zen has given me. Each phone is different though.
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I liked Godmode. But it didn't seem to give me as good battery life as savaged zen has given me. Each phone is different though.
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well im testing this one out at the moment and it has given me so far 17 hours and 20 mins, still at 31% battery, im just not sure if it'll do better than godmode did, at the moment im running it on the smartass kernel and i ran godmode on interactive so maybe that is the prob... however another issue is i've heard that svz is no longer updating as well... do u know if this is true? and one random thing that only a few people have told me is that they run on performance and overclock their phone and get the best battery from it, is that possible or a lie?
Edit: it lasted 20 hours and 53 mins, so since it didn't do as good as GodMode did then im gonna try the tiamat 4.1.0 now cause it has first place in the poll atm.
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well im testing this one out at the moment and it has given me so far 17 hours and 20 mins, still at 31% battery, im just not sure if it'll do better than godmode did, at the moment im running it on the smartass kernel and i ran godmode on interactive so maybe that is the prob... however another issue is i've heard that svz is no longer updating as well... do u know if this is true? and one random thing that only a few people have told me is that they run on performance and overclock their phone and get the best battery from it, is that possible or a lie?
Edit: it lasted 20 hours and 53 mins, so since it didn't do as good as GodMode did then im gonna try the tiamat 4.1.0 now cause it has first place in the poll atm.
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Its true that its not being updated anymore. It sucks but I plan to ride it out as long as the kernel functions properly with CM. Once it starts screwing up then I'll switch.
Those who say they get the best battery life by overclocking and putting their phone on performance are full of crap. Performance governor is basically the polar opposite of Powersave. Performance keeps your cpu constantly running at a high frequency. Logic states that overclocking to 1.13 ghz and perpetually running at that frequency requires more power than running at 245 mhz. The more power required the less time your battery will stay alive. Powersave gives you best battery life but gives you crap performance. Interactive, Smartass, and Ondemand give you a balance of performance and battery life. Performance gives you the best performance but crap battery life.
By the way, do you really need a phone that can stay off the charger for more than 21 hours? :-x
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Its true that its not being updated anymore. It sucks but I plan to ride it out as long as the kernel functions properly with CM. Once it starts screwing up then I'll switch.
Those who say they get the best battery life by overclocking and putting their phone on performance are full of crap. Performance governor is basically the polar opposite of Powersave. Performance keeps your cpu constantly running at a high frequency. Logic states that overclocking to 1.13 ghz and perpetually running at that frequency requires more power than running at 245 mhz. The more power required the less time your battery will stay alive. Powersave gives you best battery life but gives you crap performance. Interactive, Smartass, and Ondemand give you a balance of performance and battery life. Performance gives you the best performance but crap battery life.
By the way, do you really need a phone that can stay off the charger for more than 21 hours? :-x
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no i do not but! 3 days of the week im at school doing nothing for 8-10 hours so... i think if my phone can run longer than a day w/o charging then it mean i can play games on my phone while waiting and by the end of the day i'll still have battery. and does it make sense for someone to get better battery life on interactive than on smartass?
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no i do not but! 3 days of the week im at school doing nothing for 8-10 hours so... i think if my phone can run longer than a day w/o charging then it mean i can play games on my phone while waiting and by the end of the day i'll still have battery. and does it make sense for someone to get better battery life on interactive than on smartass?
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Well Smartass, as I've heard it described, is sort of like Interactive 2.0. It's basically the interactive governor but better. Unfortunately, I do not know enough of the exact specifics of the governors to tell you which SHOULD be getting better battery. I would just run each of those governors and see which one works better for you.
And I thought your phone already lasted 21 hours with a decent amount of usage. You need to test the governors/kernels in the exact situation you are going to be using the phone. Interactive, Ondemand, and Smartass would all manage the phone pretty much the same if you just leave it alone and let it sit till the battery drains. but they each manage the power allocation supplied to the cpu very differently during actual use. One ramps up the voltage quickly while one scales it up more gradually. So take your charger with you to school, in case you run into trouble, and use the phone as you believe you will be using it in the future. Then you'll have a more accurate idea of which setup works best for you.
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Well Smartass, as I've heard it described, is sort of like Interactive 2.0. It's basically the interactive governor but better. Unfortunately, I do not know enough of the exact specifics of the governors to tell you which SHOULD be getting better battery. I would just run each of those governors and see which one works better for you.
And I thought your phone already lasted 21 hours with a decent amount of usage. You need to test the governors/kernels in the exact situation you are going to be using the phone. Interactive, Ondemand, and Smartass would all manage the phone pretty much the same if you just leave it alone and let it sit till the battery drains. but they each manage the power allocation supplied to the cpu very differently during actual use. One ramps up the voltage quickly while one scales it up more gradually. So take your charger with you to school, in case you run into trouble, and use the phone as you believe you will be using it in the future. Then you'll have a more accurate idea of which setup works best for you.
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just wondering what do you keep your cpu settings at: the governor, cpu min & max?
When I am plugged into my wall charger I keep it at 1113/245. I use Performance for benchmarking and testing since I don't need to worry about battery life and Smartass when doing everything else. For normal every day use I have it at 1036/245/Smartass, Interactive, or Ondemand. I don't really have a preference between the three governors since they all make my battery last more than long enough. So it usually comes down to whichever my clumsy finger happens to accidentally select first. If I happen to not go home and need more life then I'll drop to 729/245/Conservative or Powersave. I use conservative if I still need to be able to use the phone a bit and powersave if I want my phone to just sit there and look pretty till I get back home.
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When I am plugged into my wall charger I keep it at 1113/245. I use Performance for benchmarking and testing since I don't need to worry about battery life and Smartass when doing everything else. For normal every day use I have it at 1036/245/Smartass, Interactive, or Ondemand. I don't really have a preference between the three governors since they all make my battery last more than long enough. So it usually comes down to whichever my clumsy finger happens to accidentally select first. If I happen to not go home and need more life then I'll drop to 729/245/Conservative or Powersave. I use conservative if I still need to be able to use the phone a bit and powersave if I want my phone to just sit there and look pretty till I get back home.
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why is ur lowest 245 and not 128? sorry if im bugging you
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why is ur lowest 245 and not 128? sorry if im bugging you
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You're not bugging me man. This place exists so people can ask questions and get help.
I keep my min at 245 because I've read, in multiple places, that allowing it to go any lower is not something your cpu really appreciates. Just like there is such thing as too high with your clock speed there is also a too low. And everywhere I have seen 245 is the preferred low end. I am not 100% sure as to why but I would assume that it is because your cpu needs at least a certain amount of power to run the basic processes required to keep your phone functional. Similar to a computer. Lower the cpu too much and it just can't do what it needs to.
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You're not bugging me man. This place exists so people can ask questions and get help.
I keep my min at 245 because I've read, in multiple places, that allowing it to go any lower is not something your cpu really appreciates. Just like there is such thing as too high with your clock speed there is also a too low. And everywhere I have seen 245 is the preferred low end. I am not 100% sure as to why but I would assume that it is because your cpu needs at least a certain amount of power to run the basic processes required to keep your phone functional. Similar to a computer. Lower the cpu too much and it just can't do what it needs to.
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i see do u happen to know of a good thread that talks about this? cause i keep mine at the lowest because i read that its better for battery life, but they never said anything about it being bad
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i see do u happen to know of a good thread that talks about this? cause i keep mine at the lowest because i read that its better for battery life, but they never said anything about it being bad
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I don't remember there being a thread dedicated to this. I just remember it from posts I saw within different OC/UV threads. Do a Google search for it and see if that returns any results. Like I said, I doubt you'll find a full dedicated thread. But you may be able to find the individual posts where it's mentioned.
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I don't remember there being a thread dedicated to this. I just remember it from posts I saw within different OC/UV threads. Do a Google search for it and see if that returns any results. Like I said, I doubt you'll find a full dedicated thread. But you may be able to find the individual posts where it's mentioned.
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thank you, you have been really helpful ^_^
With Tiamat 4.1 and juicedefender I get the best battery performance and v6 supercharger I have a smooth screen with no problems or lag at all.
Hello everyone.
I am looking for a relative best rom and kernel combination for daily use which focus on heating and battery life.
I’ve tried AOKP38 with franco185 and did't change the setting of CPU model. The temperature raised to almost 50 degree. I only open the instrgram and twitter for 10min.
I also tried the slim4.0. The heating is much better than B38 with franco. But battery life seems not good.
Wound you mind recommending the best rom and kernel combination you have ever used?
Thanks! Sorry for my bad English.
I too will like to know. I will be watching this thread very closely.
After browsing through many threads where talk regarding heating issues take place, I'd say underclocking are undervolting are your best bet.
If you don't play any 3D games or do anything that requires some real juice from your CPU, I'd say you'd be fine with underclocking to like 1036 MHz and maybe do some slight undervolting.
If you only want do to the underclocking part, and if you got heating issues with Franco, then try Morfic's trinity kernel.
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Hello everyone.
I am looking for a relative best rom and kernel combination for daily use which focus on heating and battery life.
I’ve tried AOKP38 with franco185 and did't change the setting of CPU model. The temperature raised to almost 50 degree. I only open the instrgram and twitter for 10min.
I also tried the slim4.0. The heating is much better than B38 with franco. But battery life seems not good.
Wound you mind recommending the best rom and kernel combination you have ever used?
Thanks! Sorry for my bad English.
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185 seems to have quite a few problems (see Franco's thread). I jumped ship onto the 181 kernel - wireless tethering (encrypted) works, the GPU is fast enough, and it doesn't seem to overheat. I don't use the kernel for benchmarking (although..... ) but rather, to improve the GPU performance.
And I'm on stock ICS, not AOKP.
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After browsing through many threads where talk regarding heating issues take place, I'd say underclocking are undervolting are your best bet.
If you don't play any 3D games or do anything that requires some real juice from your CPU, I'd say you'd be fine with underclocking to like 1036 MHz and maybe do some slight undervolting.
If you only want do to the underclocking part, and if you got heating issues with Franco, then try Morfic's trinity kernel.
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I only pay the Temple run sometimes. Does this game require a high CPU?
And how about the battery life on your nexus? The screen on time? 2H?
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185 seems to have quite a few problems (see Franco's thread). I jumped ship onto the 181 kernel - wireless tethering (encrypted) works, the GPU is fast enough, and it doesn't seem to overheat. I don't use the kernel for benchmarking (although..... ) but rather, to improve the GPU performance.
And I'm on stock ICS, not AOKP.
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How about the battery life on stock ICS？
I changed the franco nightly to milestone4 and now heating is gone, even play Modern Combat 3 us no problem. AOKP with milestone 4 is best for me bro! ;-)
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I only pay the Temple run sometimes. Does this game require a high CPU?
And how about the battery life on your nexus? The screen on time? 2H?
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I've been underclocked to 1036MHz for a while now and I've never had and problems running any games. NOVA 3 and similar games runs great. The only issues I've had are when I get a call or SMS. Then my phone starts to lag, but eventually picks itself back up.
Every device is different. What works great for someone probably won't work great for you. You have to try them all to see what suites your phone the best.
There are already many threads discussing this, please use an already established thread instead of creating a new one.
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Well i have a phone, and in that forum members says that Overclock the cpu shorts the motherboard life, is that true? and for those who are using Overclock, do u really feel something diferent with the performance of the tablet? or do u see something wrong with Overclock? like random reeboots or makes the tablet hot? Im thinking in OC or not my tab, so i wanna see the experience from other members, thx in advance. :good:
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Well i have a phone, and in that forum members says that Overclock the cpu shorts the motherboard life, is that true? and for those who are using Overclock, do u really feel something diferent with the performance of the tablet? or do u see something wrong with Overclock? like random reeboots or makes the tablet hot? Im thinking in OC or not my tab, so i wanna see the experience from other members, thx in advance. :good:
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I cover this in the guide I wrote in general (which has been pushed down quite a ways) but anyways here goes another version.
Overclocking varies from device to device, even of the same model. Variances in tolerance is on a per chip basis, as long as they pass within a certain range they are sent out for production in devices. Overclocking in general is within means of the chip's abilities, if it isn't, you'll know it. Generally speaking, 1.4 GHz is perfectly fine on our devices. 1.5 GHz is also usually ok, but is the upper end of what the Tegra2 can usually tolerate. Few an go past 1.58 GHz, my old G2x's tegra2 could hit 1.7 GHz,but that's well beyond "normal" range.
Overclocking a device is the same as overclocking a PC, you need to be careful with it. Don't just ramp it to 65% overclock and expect it to run fine. Every chip is different. Do it in steps, and test each step before moving on. Test it in normal usage, test it in heavy usage, gaming, etc.
An overclocked device will certainly run hotter then normal, it's running faster, drawing more power, and that creates a hotter running core, no way around it. Keeping in mind there is no airflow in these things, that makes the biggest enemy to CPUs even more dangerous.Does it run so hot that it can shorten component life? Sure it can. Will you still have the device when it happens? I doubt it. Likely, we'll be on Tegra5 before it even begins to show signs of stress.
One of the nice things, though, is our CPUs range so much in speed according to load that just because your Max is 1.5 GHz, it doesn't always run there. Most times, it won't even be in the overclocked speeds. Does it run faster? Sure does. Benchmarks will raise nicely, and games that maybe got choppy before will smooth out, movies that couldn't play well will be fluid, the heavens will align, mankind will discover world peace and I'll win the lottery.
All that being said, I don't usually overclock, in fact I tend to underclock a little to 800MHz. Its usually sufficient to do normal tablet stuff, and I adjust the speed according to what I require. If my movie is lagging, I'll bump it up until it smooths out. Same for a game if it needs it.
In the end, its all personal choice, really. Just because you CAN overclock, doesn't mean you NEED to. IMO a well tuned governor will give as good a result as overclocking in normal usage, and a good I/O Scheduler will also help alot, without adding anymore heat or stress to your device.
TL;DNR:
Overclocking is fun. It causes more heat. It likely won't explode within the time you own it. Or your children. Your battery will suck.
thanks pio for the answer, thats what i needed to read, cuz usually when u talk about OC its like "yeah dude, OC its "tha greeeeeat doi it dude" or something like "dont do it!!! u will decrease your tablet life" and yes, i know that devices are way to diferent even if they are the same model, and also im agree with u, governors and I/O works better than OC but we dont have many for our device, i miss the smartass v2 governor,or the brazzilianwax too, but well, hope someone can port it for us someday.